"Try government intervention like "No Child Left Behind" that mandates a strict cirriculum"
There are alot of children left behind in the public schools, with poor or no education whatsoever because the schools have invalid curriculums and no better choice of a competitive cheaper service that private schools can provide (including loans/charity for current poor kids).
Oh yeah it makes alot of sense to be on the side of the government institutions that hinder you in every way they can like by taking your money, making barriers for you to start off, telling you that you can't think or be responsible for yourself and really give you nothing to live your life. It even makes more sense to bash the business people that produce virtually everything valuable that you have lol
Yikes! Why not do both? People with no experience start teaching at private school. It sounds like the break that you need. Why don't you finish your BA and get a teaching credential. Do what makes sense.
"Why don't you finish your BA and get a teaching credential. Do what makes sense."
There are superb private schools that do NOT hire teachers with teaching degrees because they are so poorly trained and too brainwashed to change their ignorant ways.
Bill Gates dropped out of college - now THAT made sense!
I remember a John Stossel story in which Clint Bolick of the Institute for Justice pointed out something like, "With the current set of union rules for public school teachers, the current rules would bar Einstein from teaching a physics class."
Union rules? Try government intervention like "No Child Left Behind" that mandates a strict cirriculum, and no time for anything else. What a joke -- Einstein as a high school teacher. Keep bashing the institutions that help the common people, and keep assisting the elite to secure its grasp around our necks -- makes a lot of sense.
Bill Gates dropped out FOR a specific purpose: to help start Microsoft. And he is very exceptional. There are many more who took a a similar chance, and who are failures, after the dice are counted. Dropping out means no credentials, and people will not take you seriously. Graduating is a proven way to greatly help your chances. You are still young enough to do this.
Bill Gates is no exception, almost all if not all innovating businessmen are people that dropped out of college or didn't conform to the academia. It's just a shame that today the majority of people choose the mediocre, vulgar and conforming route without knowing any better thinking they are helpless without a degree, and sometimes because of different wrong reasons (like government regulations) seldom try to start their businesses.
There are thousands of dropouts who don't amount to anything. There is no connection between the act of dropping out and business success, but just the opposite -- witness the huge endowments that the best universities have, from sucessful alums.
You are missing the point, I am not talking about lazy drop outs or just the act of dropping out. I am talking about dropping out because you have better things to do like getting real education and produce competitive values. Instead of being immersed in a dogmatic narrow environment where you just shut up and listen to the preachers.
I'm earning my BEd so I can teach high school for five years while completing my masters. Please tell me more about how I'm poorly trained, brainwashed and ignorant. Maybe you can even make a video series about it while sitting in Subway and perpetually failing to establish your horribly conceived school.
Ignorance means refusing to acknowledge the truth. Just because you are spending your days at a uni doesn't mean that you're conscious of what you are being taught or won't just regurgitate the same unchecked material on your future students.
Yeah, because at university you're not expected to challenge existing ideas, or argue for and justify your own ideas. It's all about regurgitating what the prof says. Dissertations be damned! None of us higher education folk are trained to think critically or creatively. We all defer to authority like mindless drones spewing out "unchecked material". Please, tell me more about this wonderful "actual knowledge" you've achieved from "reality". Maybe you can ironically beg the question some more.
Yup that's pretty much it at the academia. I know that from my own experience and learning from colleagues and universities in general. Don't "your highness" agree?
"Please, tell me more about this wonderful "actual knowledge"."
You know, the knowledge that you get from reason, honesty and science without any mis and pre conceptions or irrationalities and dishonesties. You can look at reality in full spectrum.
Btw, where am I committing the "Begging The Question" fallacy?
The question you're begging is whether or not your concept of reality is anywhere close to the truth. Obviously anyone who stands up and says "THIS is reality" is not going to be taken seriously by anyone, not philosophers, not scientists. It takes a certain religious zeal--not to mention mind-boggling ignorance--to go on believing that your version of reality is the right one, and only like-minded people know how to access it. There's a reason Objectivism is shunned as a goofy cult.
As for "reason, honest and science"--they are excellent values indeed, and there are others I would suggest are important as well. The best academic environments I've encountered encourage these values, and facilitate your own mastery of them. The worst are inbred circle-jerks, divorced from anything resembling creative thinking or critical analysis. But your facile generalizations and outright delusions about academic life speak more to your own ignorance than anything else.
And if you WERE correct, how would you account for the fact that nearly all intellectual production--be it brilliant or outright stupid--comes out of academic institutions in one way or another? Don't get me wrong: there ARE real problems that academia faces, such as vicious ideological constraints, elitism, whole fields that seem to be utterly lost in their own (highly dubious) theoretical constructs ("literary theory", anyone?)--these can be argued about. What you've said just isn't accurate.
So these university so called philosophers and scientists don't base their theories on facts?! TransfiguredNight that is subjectivism, and it goes against everything what science stands for, like objectivity, the scientific method and cause and effect. Obviously the existing world around you exists and affects you whether you acknowledge or not. That is reality.
I can't believe that I'm telling you what reality is. You're suppose to know it since childhood. Talking about some academic brainwashing...Reality is what you perceive by your physical senses and anything valid is what you correctly or logically derive from them. When you do, you are able to manipulate the world around you. That's what science is about, remember? That you have to observe, think and then check your hypotheses against reality?!
LOL As you call it, "my version" of reality affects you whether you minded or not and to act or access it of course that you have to know it. And i am not telling that you have to have a certain mentality (as in cultural mentality), you just have to be honest and rational. So what am I ignoring here? Someone's fairy tale? The reason objectivism is shunned is clearly an ignorant, arrogant and irrational one.
If you are talking about science here, it takes reason and the scientific method.
"The best academic environments I've encountered encourage these values"
So in these academic (academic meaning part of the main stream academic community, not literacy) environments you can actually get up and rationally question the curriculum and still go though. Where's this? In some other planet?
"how would you account for the fact that nearly all intellectual production--be it brilliant or outright stupid--comes out of academic institutions in one way or another?"
Because public academic institutions are the norm nowadays. True that alot of people have at least some involvement with them but if you want to think straight-forwardly and outside the box you have to dump the academia in one way or another.
Reality is not something you're "suppose to know since childhood". You have to keep in mind that we can only understand the world through our own contrived and artificial constructs; theories, after all, are just sets of explanatory principles that we establish in hopes that they will help us understand what's going on outside the window. It's very difficult--even in the areas of science wherein we have the deepest knowledge--to know how close to "reality" we are getting.
Scientists don't parade around dogmatically claiming to understand "reality". That would violate the nature of scientific inquiry, in principle.
And yes, I've called into question aspects of the curriculum, and I've rigorously debated issues within the framework of a curriculum. At higher levels of education teachers and students learn from each other more or less mutually.
Your biggest mistake is assuming that "reality" is just something that is transparent, obvious, intuitive, and natural to understand. It isn't. And that has nothing to do with "subjectivism", it has to do with the fact that the world is complicated and largely beyond our capacity to comprehend.
And I'd think twice before assuming that there is a global conspiracy to shun Objectivism. You might start sounding--horror of horrors!--like a religious zealot with a persecution complex.
Understanding what reality is one of the first steps in human development, that is the identification that the world exists independently from one's mind. Please refer to the psychology of child development. As conscious beings we have the faculty of reflection and abstraction that enable us to develop concepts and understand reality and work with it to survive and prosper. That's the very nature of humans.
Our understanding of the world through reason, honesty and science is not ambiguous as you say because our ideas and theories are integrated and concur accurately to what we observe and affects us. They don't give us "hopes" but concrete values. In your case I can see that your ideas are divorsed from reason and facts, things seem to be difficult but that doesn't mean it's the only way of "understanding" the world.
Actually how would you know since you're denying knowledge. You are committing the "stolen concept" fallacy buddy.
"That would violate the nature of scientific inquiry, in principle."
OMG How understanding reality violates the principles of science?! That's the object of science. You are confusing the open-ended nature of science with ignorance and false skepticism.
Science corrects itself IF errors are found and we know alot of things beyond any doubt. For example that the sun exists. You, the academia and company are creating problems where none in fact exist.
"And yes, I've called into question aspects of the curriculum"
Let me guess, about whether Kant should be taught all the way through or not? My point is that you're not allowed to question and contradict what is essentially taught in the curriculum.
"Your biggest mistake is assuming that "reality" is just something that is transparent, obvious, intuitive, and natural to understand."
Why are you putting reality between quote marks? Are you implying that existence doesn't exist?!
Why is it a mistake, if identifying reality allows us to have technology, predict and solve problems? While your anti-conceptual mentality just adds more to your confusion? Isn't it obvious that that's the reason you find things difficult and complicated?!
Things are never complicated with conceptualization and abstraction, or in other words the ability to reflect and integrate particulars into general principles. Also called deduction and induction.
"I'd think twice before assuming that there is a global conspiracy to shun Objectivism."
Call it whatever you like, but there are people like yourself willingly or unwillingly bashing objectivism with different agendas. In the case of governments the conspiracy is obvious because the truth hurts.
"if your laughing at me you owe me twice as much, I like that attitude. So... your a bit of a farmer boy who is seen as a bit naugthy so you anticipating being ran out of town? Wow, you get more sexy with every video ;-) Also your going to be making a sign for your school? Got and graphic skills? I would recomened design on the computer and then put it on whatever the hell that cardboard thing is. Maybe put plastic wrap or something over it so it doesn't get totally destroyed...
Lol my spelling and grammar probaly sucks more than your new student... I meant *got any graphic skills?*, and you shouldn't be working at Subway. Look for a part time job that needs people to think. Cant u be a secretary or a business assistant or a male stripper? At least something more dignified than Subway :-P
Have you heard of the "pick-their-brains" technique? You could pick the mind of the guy that is offering you the job or of anyone in the field of business. Most business people are very happy to talk and give advice about their business when approached.
Like ask them on the phone or in person for any advice they can give or contacts they can recommend. Some very valuable info and contact there. You'll be amazed of what you can get by picking up the phone and ask around.
so what kind of school are u making? like a philosophy class, teaching english as a 2nd language class, or salsa dancing class? cuz i might join if ur in my area. i live in Minnesota.
"Many private schools are also mediocre."
I'm sure not as mediocre as the public schools lol
"What a joke -- Einstein as a high school teacher."
The point is that if Einstein wanted to be a teacher unions wouldn't let him for being too smart.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago 2
"Try government intervention like "No Child Left Behind" that mandates a strict cirriculum"
There are alot of children left behind in the public schools, with poor or no education whatsoever because the schools have invalid curriculums and no better choice of a competitive cheaper service that private schools can provide (including loans/charity for current poor kids).
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"(...) makes a lot of sense."
Oh yeah it makes alot of sense to be on the side of the government institutions that hinder you in every way they can like by taking your money, making barriers for you to start off, telling you that you can't think or be responsible for yourself and really give you nothing to live your life. It even makes more sense to bash the business people that produce virtually everything valuable that you have lol
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Yikes! Why not do both? People with no experience start teaching at private school. It sounds like the break that you need. Why don't you finish your BA and get a teaching credential. Do what makes sense.
ruzz3ii 3 years ago
"Why don't you finish your BA and get a teaching credential. Do what makes sense."
There are superb private schools that do NOT hire teachers with teaching degrees because they are so poorly trained and too brainwashed to change their ignorant ways.
Bill Gates dropped out of college - now THAT made sense!
MrCropper 3 years ago
I remember a John Stossel story in which Clint Bolick of the Institute for Justice pointed out something like, "With the current set of union rules for public school teachers, the current rules would bar Einstein from teaching a physics class."
legendre007 3 years ago
Union rules? Try government intervention like "No Child Left Behind" that mandates a strict cirriculum, and no time for anything else. What a joke -- Einstein as a high school teacher. Keep bashing the institutions that help the common people, and keep assisting the elite to secure its grasp around our necks -- makes a lot of sense.
ruzz3ii 3 years ago
Bill Gates dropped out FOR a specific purpose: to help start Microsoft. And he is very exceptional. There are many more who took a a similar chance, and who are failures, after the dice are counted. Dropping out means no credentials, and people will not take you seriously. Graduating is a proven way to greatly help your chances. You are still young enough to do this.
Many private schools are also mediocre.
ruzz3ii 3 years ago
Bill Gates is no exception, almost all if not all innovating businessmen are people that dropped out of college or didn't conform to the academia. It's just a shame that today the majority of people choose the mediocre, vulgar and conforming route without knowing any better thinking they are helpless without a degree, and sometimes because of different wrong reasons (like government regulations) seldom try to start their businesses.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
There are thousands of dropouts who don't amount to anything. There is no connection between the act of dropping out and business success, but just the opposite -- witness the huge endowments that the best universities have, from sucessful alums.
There is not talking sense to you people.
ruzz3ii 3 years ago
You are missing the point, I am not talking about lazy drop outs or just the act of dropping out. I am talking about dropping out because you have better things to do like getting real education and produce competitive values. Instead of being immersed in a dogmatic narrow environment where you just shut up and listen to the preachers.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
I'm earning my BEd so I can teach high school for five years while completing my masters. Please tell me more about how I'm poorly trained, brainwashed and ignorant. Maybe you can even make a video series about it while sitting in Subway and perpetually failing to establish your horribly conceived school.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
Ignorance means refusing to acknowledge the truth. Just because you are spending your days at a uni doesn't mean that you're conscious of what you are being taught or won't just regurgitate the same unchecked material on your future students.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago 2
Bet that at your uni they dont teach you the concept that actual knowlege is not based on authority but based on reality.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago 2
Yeah, because at university you're not expected to challenge existing ideas, or argue for and justify your own ideas. It's all about regurgitating what the prof says. Dissertations be damned! None of us higher education folk are trained to think critically or creatively. We all defer to authority like mindless drones spewing out "unchecked material". Please, tell me more about this wonderful "actual knowledge" you've achieved from "reality". Maybe you can ironically beg the question some more.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
Yup that's pretty much it at the academia. I know that from my own experience and learning from colleagues and universities in general. Don't "your highness" agree?
"Please, tell me more about this wonderful "actual knowledge"."
You know, the knowledge that you get from reason, honesty and science without any mis and pre conceptions or irrationalities and dishonesties. You can look at reality in full spectrum.
Btw, where am I committing the "Begging The Question" fallacy?
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
The question you're begging is whether or not your concept of reality is anywhere close to the truth. Obviously anyone who stands up and says "THIS is reality" is not going to be taken seriously by anyone, not philosophers, not scientists. It takes a certain religious zeal--not to mention mind-boggling ignorance--to go on believing that your version of reality is the right one, and only like-minded people know how to access it. There's a reason Objectivism is shunned as a goofy cult.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
As for "reason, honest and science"--they are excellent values indeed, and there are others I would suggest are important as well. The best academic environments I've encountered encourage these values, and facilitate your own mastery of them. The worst are inbred circle-jerks, divorced from anything resembling creative thinking or critical analysis. But your facile generalizations and outright delusions about academic life speak more to your own ignorance than anything else.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
And if you WERE correct, how would you account for the fact that nearly all intellectual production--be it brilliant or outright stupid--comes out of academic institutions in one way or another? Don't get me wrong: there ARE real problems that academia faces, such as vicious ideological constraints, elitism, whole fields that seem to be utterly lost in their own (highly dubious) theoretical constructs ("literary theory", anyone?)--these can be argued about. What you've said just isn't accurate.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
So these university so called philosophers and scientists don't base their theories on facts?! TransfiguredNight that is subjectivism, and it goes against everything what science stands for, like objectivity, the scientific method and cause and effect. Obviously the existing world around you exists and affects you whether you acknowledge or not. That is reality.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
I can't believe that I'm telling you what reality is. You're suppose to know it since childhood. Talking about some academic brainwashing...Reality is what you perceive by your physical senses and anything valid is what you correctly or logically derive from them. When you do, you are able to manipulate the world around you. That's what science is about, remember? That you have to observe, think and then check your hypotheses against reality?!
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
LOL As you call it, "my version" of reality affects you whether you minded or not and to act or access it of course that you have to know it. And i am not telling that you have to have a certain mentality (as in cultural mentality), you just have to be honest and rational. So what am I ignoring here? Someone's fairy tale? The reason objectivism is shunned is clearly an ignorant, arrogant and irrational one.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"It takes a certain religious zeal"
If you are talking about science here, it takes reason and the scientific method.
"The best academic environments I've encountered encourage these values"
So in these academic (academic meaning part of the main stream academic community, not literacy) environments you can actually get up and rationally question the curriculum and still go though. Where's this? In some other planet?
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"how would you account for the fact that nearly all intellectual production--be it brilliant or outright stupid--comes out of academic institutions in one way or another?"
Because public academic institutions are the norm nowadays. True that alot of people have at least some involvement with them but if you want to think straight-forwardly and outside the box you have to dump the academia in one way or another.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Reality is not something you're "suppose to know since childhood". You have to keep in mind that we can only understand the world through our own contrived and artificial constructs; theories, after all, are just sets of explanatory principles that we establish in hopes that they will help us understand what's going on outside the window. It's very difficult--even in the areas of science wherein we have the deepest knowledge--to know how close to "reality" we are getting.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
"If you are talking about science here"
Scientists don't parade around dogmatically claiming to understand "reality". That would violate the nature of scientific inquiry, in principle.
And yes, I've called into question aspects of the curriculum, and I've rigorously debated issues within the framework of a curriculum. At higher levels of education teachers and students learn from each other more or less mutually.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
Your biggest mistake is assuming that "reality" is just something that is transparent, obvious, intuitive, and natural to understand. It isn't. And that has nothing to do with "subjectivism", it has to do with the fact that the world is complicated and largely beyond our capacity to comprehend.
And I'd think twice before assuming that there is a global conspiracy to shun Objectivism. You might start sounding--horror of horrors!--like a religious zealot with a persecution complex.
TransfiguredNight 3 years ago
Understanding what reality is one of the first steps in human development, that is the identification that the world exists independently from one's mind. Please refer to the psychology of child development. As conscious beings we have the faculty of reflection and abstraction that enable us to develop concepts and understand reality and work with it to survive and prosper. That's the very nature of humans.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Our understanding of the world through reason, honesty and science is not ambiguous as you say because our ideas and theories are integrated and concur accurately to what we observe and affects us. They don't give us "hopes" but concrete values. In your case I can see that your ideas are divorsed from reason and facts, things seem to be difficult but that doesn't mean it's the only way of "understanding" the world.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Actually how would you know since you're denying knowledge. You are committing the "stolen concept" fallacy buddy.
"That would violate the nature of scientific inquiry, in principle."
OMG How understanding reality violates the principles of science?! That's the object of science. You are confusing the open-ended nature of science with ignorance and false skepticism.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Science corrects itself IF errors are found and we know alot of things beyond any doubt. For example that the sun exists. You, the academia and company are creating problems where none in fact exist.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"And yes, I've called into question aspects of the curriculum"
Let me guess, about whether Kant should be taught all the way through or not? My point is that you're not allowed to question and contradict what is essentially taught in the curriculum.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"Your biggest mistake is assuming that "reality" is just something that is transparent, obvious, intuitive, and natural to understand."
Why are you putting reality between quote marks? Are you implying that existence doesn't exist?!
Why is it a mistake, if identifying reality allows us to have technology, predict and solve problems? While your anti-conceptual mentality just adds more to your confusion? Isn't it obvious that that's the reason you find things difficult and complicated?!
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Things are never complicated with conceptualization and abstraction, or in other words the ability to reflect and integrate particulars into general principles. Also called deduction and induction.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
"I'd think twice before assuming that there is a global conspiracy to shun Objectivism."
Call it whatever you like, but there are people like yourself willingly or unwillingly bashing objectivism with different agendas. In the case of governments the conspiracy is obvious because the truth hurts.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
I think you'll make an excellent teacher.
pmccarthy001 3 years ago 3
"if your laughing at me you owe me twice as much, I like that attitude. So... your a bit of a farmer boy who is seen as a bit naugthy so you anticipating being ran out of town? Wow, you get more sexy with every video ;-) Also your going to be making a sign for your school? Got and graphic skills? I would recomened design on the computer and then put it on whatever the hell that cardboard thing is. Maybe put plastic wrap or something over it so it doesn't get totally destroyed...
FoxHatesMe 3 years ago
Lol my spelling and grammar probaly sucks more than your new student... I meant *got any graphic skills?*, and you shouldn't be working at Subway. Look for a part time job that needs people to think. Cant u be a secretary or a business assistant or a male stripper? At least something more dignified than Subway :-P
FoxHatesMe 3 years ago
Consider it done.
eventide925 3 years ago
Have you heard of the "pick-their-brains" technique? You could pick the mind of the guy that is offering you the job or of anyone in the field of business. Most business people are very happy to talk and give advice about their business when approached.
Like ask them on the phone or in person for any advice they can give or contacts they can recommend. Some very valuable info and contact there. You'll be amazed of what you can get by picking up the phone and ask around.
SuperFinGuy 3 years ago
Good luck. Keep us updated!
tsummerlee 3 years ago
Good choice!
RevJoshua 3 years ago 2
This is very exciting, I hope you accomplish your goals. God speed MrCropper!
Beethovens7th 3 years ago 4
so what kind of school are u making? like a philosophy class, teaching english as a 2nd language class, or salsa dancing class? cuz i might join if ur in my area. i live in Minnesota.
spankyquest 3 years ago
"What kind of school?"
K-8 Math, Science, History and Literature.
MrCropper 3 years ago