I had NO idea about the real result of stopping the use of DDT, yet, I am not all that surprised, sadly. I just found this guy's series & am amazed at him bc he is saying OUT LOUD what was, will be & is already. I say YES!!! FINALLY!!! Only thing is: I do believe there ARE Iluminati, secret & dangerous groups that conspire to control the masses& really aside from presentation-he is saying what Infowars,Alex Jones& Jesse Ventura are saying. I love that we ARE are WAKING UP..{Indigo children BTW!
I had NO idea about the real result of stopping the use of DDT, yet, I am not all that surprised, sadly. I just found this guy's series & am amazed at him bc he is saying OUT LOUD what was, will be & is already. I say YES!!! FINALLY!!! Only thing is: I do believe there ARE Iluminati, secret & dangerous groups that conspire to control the masses& really aside from presentation-he is saying what Infowars,Alex Jones& Jesse Ventura are saying. I love that we ARE are WAKING UP..{Indigo children BTW!
The Wikipedia article on DDT is quite in depth and says that Molyneux is ignorant on this subject. Something with a food pyramid and accumulation. Environmentalists tend to go to state solution, yeah DUH, how came those chemicals on the market in the first place? If the state didn’t help Monsanto, Du Pont and Bayer with their profound corruption they never could get this big. You have to rethink your rabble babble a bit more Molyneux.
I don’t see why it is a disaster that 60 million people died from the ban on DDT. So more people is better for the environment. That’s is quite not in sync with reality. Guess I don’t have to explain myself.
i couldnt agree more about what you said about educating your daughter. thats what im hoping to do with my future children. teach them how to think for themselves and eventually they will come to the same conclusion: atheism,anarchy and philosophy.
@FactualSolutions , I really admire the work of Jacque Fresco but seriously question the motives of the Zeitgeist movement. The Venus project is a beautiful vision but how can you possibly say that it's been tested successfully in the short or the long? Might I suggest the screen name "PossibleSolutions"?
I totally agree with all the complaints about the state and initiation of force. It generally causes the exact opposite result of the goal.
The seemingly inevitable collapse might never happen. Its possible for technology to increase productivity enough to outpace the theft. As long as the theft is of the consumer good and not the capital investments, we are likely to outgrow the theft. The debt based money is the biggest threat since it grows exponentially and natural growth is logistic.
indeed. I'd like to see some kind of evidence that Rachel Carson's book is "entirely ficticious". Anyone can say such things, please stefbot, direct us to an informationial link.
Full 1 hour documentary chronicling the BP Oil Spill---the prior knowledge, the sales of stock by BP and Goldman Sachs, the media blackout, the poisons used to "clean" up the spill, the hidden agenda, the lethal methane levels, the possible mass evacuation, bioremediation---Spread the word!
a huuuge coal mine in Turkmenistan that hit gas in 1970, the workers had to flee for their lifes, the company then decided to light it up, so the gas would burn away, and they could get on with the coal.... HA !!! THE FIRE STILL RAGES ON 40 YEARS LATER, UNSTOPPABLE !!!
As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
@MrJosephMarzullo - yep - zeitgeist is a 400 thousand members loony, neo-socialist, communist, capitalist and satanic new world order Movement - along with all their crazy sustainable solutions that will benefit humanity -
another good perspective of this is what pat robertson says' it's not the usual "the devil did it " stuff. really good insight on the problem and not bashing obama.
Absolutely correct. The DDT ban is a supreme example of how the ignorant politicians and environmentalists with good intentions can do massive damage to society.
"What's your solution?!" - I used to be bothered with not having a fairly convincing answer to that question myself. obviously this is some rhetoric ad. hominem, but to counter and expose it i usually remind the person that the current discourses and structures of soceity are a result of of ALOT of peoples' ideas and practices. if little ol' me convinced you with my analysis and with it gave a general direction towards a solution, then I'd done my job well. now YOU start thinking too.
Hi friend, you have common sense. don't sell your decency to the corporate thugs!
on 10:10 you mentioned about iPod and nicely lectured about the stealing, it is a wonderful coincidence, - because iPod and iPhone are both based on the robbery. I am the inventor of the screenboards. My ideas passed international patent search as Inventive and innovative but "gentlemen" from Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and so on... took it for free as if I never existed and don't deserve any royalties!
@LeonidRozumenko I find that hard to believe. If it's true, wow, that sucks. Who makes the patent laws? The governments. I believe a free market patent system would work much better.
@LeonidRozumenko Have you initiated a dispute with the patent office? Did you have a US or just a European patent? Have you initiated a suit against them?
@grumpone , thank you for asking, I had a PCT application (Patent Cooperation Treaty application) which suppose to protect my rights around the world for three years.
average patent attorney asks 240$ per hour (plus charges for all additional expenses) and I don't have money. I was robbed in Ukraine in the 90th with 5-6 hyperinflations 300% each of them. now I have a depression (disability) and no money.
@LeonidRozumenko business is built on the concept of stealing and overpricing goods. otherwise there would be no profit and there would be no business and there would be no society
the mentality that makes you successful in business is to mercilessly screw people over, ethics and laws be damned
DDT is certainly terrible for the environment so it goes back to saving people by destroying innumerable other life forms. However just as malaria was eradicated in north america long ago it would be possible to eradicate it everywhere, just need a very large sum of money to do so....see the Bill Gates' video on that subject, he explains well how this was funded for north america and europe but not for third world countries because no government wanted to foot the bill.
Your humility about teaching/not teaching conclusions while parenting were actually very moving. As an aero egr grad/former math and physics tutor, I really appreciated your example/comparison with foolish ways to teach mathematics. Kudos.
Of course there is a power elite. To say there isn't is like saying there is no royalty or chiefdom. I understand your point being that it naturally occurs however what you seem to miss - or maybe you don't it just seemed like it - is the fact that people in places of power have to have people under them to enforce that power so they must conspire by definition. Also people with extreme power and privilege seek rushes from boredom and this is where secret clubs come in where they do very...
@summergiles ...sick behavior because they are naturally predators, they must bond with other predators in the system of control as the term thick as thieves explains, and because they are bored. Also they reward those that do their work for them with the "privileges" of hurting others the same way a master might let a dog rip an "expendable" prey to shreds periodically to "let it have some fun" with the added bonus of holding the illegal activities over their heads. To say this doesn't...
@summergiles ...occur is just illogical and ignores facts. Why do you think police break the most laws? Why do you think senators and the like are always getting in trouble for killing hookers or so many politicians are found to actually imprison humans trafficked. It is the same principles that govern the Catholic pedophile conspiracy. They protect the people that work for them. The higher up the more protection. Same with the Mafia, same with gangs. Same everywhere. Same principles.
@ByteSmasher Would you care to post the value of pi in series notation? Excuse Stefbot...(he didn't realize the mighty Ramanujan was going to comment upon the value of pi)
@machaeroguy I'm not sure what you're getting at... aside from the fact that from what I can tell, the term "series notation" is used to describe a method to display possible values for a function and not successive digit values in an irrational number.... it doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that 22/7 doesn't equal pi..... just take a trig class. It's only accurate to 3 digits. Teaching a child that the way to calculate pi is dividing 22 by 7, is educationally irresponsible.
Your comments regarding on/offshore drilling are fallacious. Even if there were NO restrictions whatsoever on onshore drilling, the US would still be past its peak oil production. And then we would still have moved to offshore drilling en mass. In fact the problems would be worse because onshore production would have peaked higher, thus leading demand higher and then leading to a larger push offshore as onshore production declined from a higher level.
You're gonna catch hell from the religious enviro-nuts now Stef! Going after one of their most holy prophets (Rachel Carson) and defending the demon DDT! I stopped debating these born-again Earth-worshippers YEARS ago...their mythologies and junk science rival those of any Christian ("Dinosaurs walked the Earth 2000 years ago!!!") I've ever met. If modern-day Environmental religious dogma had held sway 200 years ago, we'd probably be living in caves right now...
Violence gives "a short therm solution while creating longer term problems, and greater problems", well put Stef. This is exactly what we see when people commit violence against ecosystems using chemical weapons. I've seen the effects of widespread ecological damage caused by individual self-interest. You, my friend, live in a bubble.
Yes, and the SAME state (USGovt) which used to routinely explode nuclear weapons in the atmosphere REALLY cares about the environment...the SAME state (USGovt) which currently uses depleted-uranium ammo is very concerned about Holy Mother Nature...the SAME state (USGovt) which operates one of the world's largest polluters (its military) is REALLY the organization to turn to to protect the Blessed Environment...
I'm not an American, From what I can tell is that your country is deeply divided along any and every issue. It's a wonder that people can communicate at all. Canada's not much better, but we play the consensus game, so regarding the environment, silence is consent. One problem, I see often is folks creating false dichotomies, then picking sides. All this does is obscure deeper issues that we're individually, and as a society afraid to face.
True. The problem is that fundamental questions are passed over and, instead, more superficial points are addressed. I have not heard a SINGLE mainstream 'news' org ask WHY does BP (and others) have to drill so far out to sea? WHY is their liability limited? Enviro-nuts got their way (no oil drilling on land in the Holy Nat'l Parks, etc.), wonder if they're happy? No, all we hear is "Shut it all down/nationalize it..." And Leftists will bitch the loudest when gas = $10/gal.
Yeah, there is a lot of division, all of which would mostly be irrelevant if not for the govt. that forces people of divergent views into relationships w/each other. What both the "Left" and "Right" have in common is the idea that govt. force is the preferable method of societal organization.
In California when this debate was going on, I would suggest what I thought was a resonable "compromise": remove govt. jurisdiction over marriage and let each individual decide which marriages to recognize. "Oh no we can't just have people marrying who/whatever they want willy-nilly, that is an affront to traditional marriage!", said my Conservative friends. "What if some choose not to recognize gay marriages?!", said my Leftist friends. Insanity...
What niether side in the Gay Marriage fight could conceive of was a solution that DIDN'T involve govt force. Several I knew worried about the state losing revenue, even, if not allowed to issue Marriage Licenses (regarding my suggestion). Either gays would be "allowed" to marry or not. Either EVERYONE would be forced to recognize it, or NO ONE would be "allowed" to recognize it. This is the current insane mentality most in the West labor under.
The neurotoxin DDT is environmentally persistant with a half life of 15 years. A 50 year old spill on Point Pelee, Ontario was found to be biologically active. It is highly toxic to fish, is an endocrine disruptor, and through bio-magnification collected in bird populations, dependent on fish. Cormorant and eagle populations crashed in the 60"s. Insects have developed resistance where it is used heavily in places like Kenya, Ethiopia Tanzania and Sudan. You should check your "facts" Stef
They may not be chanting and wearing cloaks but what lies behind your ‘social’ face of state and church? Natural selection you say, so are ‘they’ Darwinists who see themselves as separate from the rest of us, therefore they treat us as we treat animals. We don’t see these people who are they? They might as well be cloaked.
I wonder what else is in positions of power behind the scenes if as you say the ‘social’ face of control is the state and the church. They might not be wearing clocks and chanting but they are behind closed doors. Could it be that behind the social face ‘they’ have taken natural selection to such a level that they view the population as animals to be controlled and herded?
You may be incorrect or partially regarding the DDT ban. The mosquitos in the parts of Africa where DDT was first used became resistence to the pesticide. I think the ban(if there is any(can't accurately recall if the ban is a myth or actually do exists)) came after the mosquitos developed resistence.
At least that is what I recall hearing on the TV in a debate about the DDT. Though I haven't fact checked that.
@lordmetroid accurate a few species of mosquitoes became resistant to DDT but other species that would eat mosquitoes did not , resulting in a lose-lose situation where beneficial animals were killed off in mass but still leaving the disease carrying insects.
stef seems to have this "humans only and first" agenda that's really starting to unnerve me a bit, he may be some kind of international philosophy superstar but not everything he says holds water.
I imagine you consider YOUR life and the lives of YOUR loved ones to be worth more than that of any animal, or plant, or rock, or dirt...I imagine YOU appreciate the benefits of living in a modern, industrial society. Why do you think people in less devoloped places are worth less and undeserving of a better life?
If saving the life of 1 colony of honeybees saves the lives of 1000 people in the future then by all means I am expendable as the needs of the many always outweigh the needs of the few, also please try to stay on the subject matter instead of trying some badly done red herring /guilt trip crap.
Welfare is a big economic stimulus for the state, because all that money will go back into the community, where it is taxed - unlike corporations or the middle class who spend on investments in some other part of the world or squirel it away. So it does make economic sense to take the nonproductive money and distribute it to the poor, at least until the state can be smashed, and as it today falls under it's own weight -can't blame welfare for that, but if you could do so then SO BE IT.
@iwantenlightenment I tried to post a link in my last post on a news item about a group of Canadian timber companies who've created a conservation area the size of Germany, but YouTube said no... Anyhow, I can message you the link if you like but I think it's a good example of my point. The fact is that 'private group' covers a great deal of organisations and any of them are able to do a better job than the state. As it stands, I'd prefer commercial development over a stabbing/rape field... :-s
i hate to say it but your talk on the "minor effects of ddt vs mosquitoes" is load of shit ,as studies have shown its horrible effects on birds ,microorganisms such as plankton and its lethal effect on bats all of which i have seen first hand(imagine being able to do nothing as a fruit bat literally vomits its intestines out)not to mention ddt kills off beneficial insects as well.
@Diceman82 Even if this is true (and I have read opposing studies) - what about the 60 million dead humans? Would you be willing to be one of them to protect a bug or a bat?
you are not lookin at the larger picture , if we continued using DDT for the last 20+ years how many beneficial insects , birds and bats would go extinct? the loss of food from lack of pollination alone could mean hundreds of millions can starve to death ( the extinction of the north American honey bee alone would kill off nearly a 1/3 of our food production).I would rather have 1 die from malaria(treatable) than 7 from starvation,yes it sucks but sometimes losses are unavoidable.
Why focus on the last 20+ years of non-DDT use? DDT was used for DECADES before it was outlawed. How come we didn't see the kinds of calamities you mentioned (100's of millions dead, extinction of honey bee, etc.) take hold during DDT's use? Food production (which means less starvation) actually INCREASED during the time DDT was in use. Most likely, many enviro's see the 60 million dead as a GOOD thing--mitigating the overcrowding 'crisis' and burden on Holy Mother Earth...
No, its not a "load of shit". As Stef said, Carson's book (which can be said to have launched the "environmental" movement/religion) was complete propaganda based on manipulated junk science of the worst variety.
so junk science is being verified over and over by nobel prize winners as well as experiments in multiple nations on its effects?I rather trust evidence from multiple sources and people that do chemistry for a living than some youtube philosopher with no science credentials at all.
@iwantenlightenment Yup, just as it could be sold off under the public sector, though it wouldn't be because it's in the best interests of the private sector not to do so. The private sector is able to do great things, whether for- or not-for-profit, either as in the case of voluntary private organisations pretty much running Central Park, or timber companies in Canada working with environmental groups to create a massive commercial conservation plan... Bloody link seems to be breaking :/
You are fooling yourself if you think you aren't going to tell your daughter your conclusions. She will live with you, overhear your conversations, eventually read things you're written. Even if you never do it directly (unlikely) you will still do it. But who cares, really? The important thing is that she understands not ONLY what you conclude but ALSO how you got there, and that she have a true confidence that she is allowed to question you.
Natural Law - painfully obvious that Nature is self balancing and self correcting - so....the 'government that governs least' is the most 'natural' solution....
Here, let me ask again. Where's the evidence of a society comprised of over 300,000,000 people successfully regulating itself ? And ebay isn't an answer because it's a private business and not a free society, and has a great number of restrictions and regulations for stores within it. ( in other words, ebay most certainly has a government within it.) Thanks.
@ProtoCosmos I suppose you would have opposed ending slavery too, since no society before it ended could be cited as an example. Work with virtue and principles, not impossible evidence, and you will truly help the future.
@stefbot For a lot of people ( I'm one of them), the need for that kind of evidence (of something that is to them, intrinsically wrong) doesn't exist. Unlike evidence for the viability of a strictly capitalist driven, anarchist society. I have poor writing skills ... What I meant to ask was - What evidence do you have that such a tremendously large society could work? BTW, I love the Virtue - Principles bit . Isn't the frequent lack of the two, the reason regulations exist in the first place?
@NeutrinoideReturns None whatsoever. But I'm not arguing for an entirely statist driven society. Someone mentioned virtue and principles, as they relate to an anarchist - capitalist society ...Where? And what would some of these virtues be?
@stefbot Private government, public government whats the difference? Isn't a private company just a small dictatorship existing within a larger state? Choose your poison makes no difference to me, one can be just as corrupt as the other so make your choice And I will do my best to work within that system to minimize the corruption until it inevitably collapses.
The difference is: government provides their "wonderful" services at the barrel of a gun-- pay or get shot. Legitimate business provide their products and services on a voluntary, take-it-or-leave-it basis. Get it?
@DionysusAlS Any organization can become powerful, corrupt, to believe otherwise is naive. States have historically kept companies in check so it may be difficult for you to see how they can become just as powerful, corrupt as a state. Some small examples of this are monopolies and pinkertons. I am not arguing that the state has not become to powerful, corrupt, indeed it has. I am arguing that companies are also too powerful, corrupt and would fill the void left if the state was removed.
@BKatlittleton The difference is, a company works voluntarily with its customers while a government does not. Think of it like getting a choice between funding the war in iraq or not. If the war in Iraq was funded through a company system, you could easily just not give that company money, while if it is through a government system, you really dont have a choice.
@LIN6LIN6 Any organization can become powerful, corrupt, to believe otherwise is naive. States have historically kept companies in check so it may be difficult for you to see how they can become just as powerful, corrupt as a state. Some small examples of this are monopolies and pinkertons. I am not arguing that the state has not become to powerful, corrupt, indeed it has. I am arguing that companies are also too powerful, corrupt and would fill the void left if the state was removed.
@BKatlittleton I feel like you are forgetting that it takes customers for a company to run. A company can not stay in existence if no one is willing to pay for its services. Monopolies can not exist in a completely free market. If a company is corrupt, its existence will only be for a short while. Ex. If a am a business that cheats people, it will not be long before people catch on, and people will take there business elsewhere.
@LIN6LIN6 You said "Monopolies can not exist in a completely free market". how naive , the central them here I believe and please correct me if I am wrong is that people are being controlled BY FORCE. Are you saying that a corrupt corporation would not resort to force to keep competition out in the absence of a State? please keep in mind we are talking about corrupt people here, people with no morals.
@BKatlittleton No I never said that, but i dont think it would be in the best interest of a company to use force. If you consider the after effects from investors and customers, along side the cost of using force on people. weapon, staff, training, insurance. the whole idea is wild if you really understand business plans. Using force can only be profitable if a monopolistic entity like the state can subsidize these costs. Look I dont think that arguing with me or telling me that I am (cont.)
@BKatlittleton (cont.) naive will change how I understand completely free markets. If you want to understand where I am coming from I would check out Stefs podcasts about anarchy on his site Freedomainradio(dot)com.
They target young children so they can mold them to bow to external authority rather than learning for oneself that each individual is his/her highest authority. Mysticism is believing and acting on the unreal as though it were real. Believing that someone knows better than yourself what experiences you need to live happily and prosperously.
PERHAPS, persuasion is an instinct. The vast majority chose to persuade without a gun. Like-minds seek each other to co-create. A gun is a real turn off.
By the very fact of your daughter growing up with you, your views and belief or non belief are transmitted. Learning is partially transmitted by language but most of what is learned is exposure in their environment. I am not saying your ways are wrong but it would be foolish to think our children will become vastly different from their parents. If you are an atheist the chances your daughter being a theist is slim to none.
@iwantenlightenment Well evidently it's the (voluntary) private sector that ensures the park's preservation, through maintenance of it... The state has proven itself hopelessly unable to do so and now relies on an organisation that receives around 85% of its funding from private sources to maintain the area that the state 'owns'...
About Conspiracy Theories (CT): at the core of about every CT lies a nebulous entity that is only loosly described, like: "the government" blew up the WTC etc. Who exactly? nobody knows.
This chriterion also applys to the statement, that "the government" provides public schools to indoctrinate children. Well at least here in Switzerland indoctrination is not on the curriculum, believe me when I say that I went through 13 years of public schools unindoctrinated.
@HubertCumberdale22 i hear you have direct democracy over there though. it does not matter if there is a conspiracy or not (there are in fact billions of conspiracies going on every day - today i conspired with a colleague to undermine a client, just for example), stefs points do not depend on a conspiracy to running the world, there is praxeology and observation which is as firm a science as you can get. unless you deam all science to be theory (which is true too).
@TWISTbeats I'm sorry, how exactly did this comment adress anything I said? Even if stefs other points don't depend on this, he argues as if the public school teachers were conspiring against him and trying to indoctrinate his daughter into statism. I said that this sounds like a whacky (factually unsupported) CT. What kind of people utter this kind of CTs? People with a skewed picture of reality, people who are nuts. With my comment I was expressing that he sounds nuts to me.
@HubertCumberdale22 stef does not claim indoctrination in schools is a conspiracy. or an accident. public schools are still indoctrination camps. staffed by people who's livelyhoods are dependent on statism. which means by people who defend the state by their actions. or bored salad fingers.
@TWISTbeats To say their is not a conspiracy is not to understand the definition of the word. When two or more get together to carry out a plan that is a conspiracy. This isn't a dirty word it is just construed as a dirty word to invalidate a claim, to undermine credibility. It only means to agree or concur. It insinuates nefarious activity but that isn't required.
Many of the "Robber Barons" and government elitists of the late 19th/early 20th century heavily pushed mandatory public education. They were pretty open about their goals to produce complacent/obedient citizenry to fight in wars and work in factories; they were also very honest about there being two classes in their ideal society: worker bees and elites (who would have their own, superior schools). It only sounds "crazy" to those who don't know the facts.
@ashane77 Who cares what some guys and elitists may or may not have said, all I care about at the moment are my experiences.
Stef says: public schools are indoctrination camps.
I say: I went through 13 years of public school here in Switzerland and haven ot been indoctrinated.
So it's not that i don't know "the facts", I simply say: I have evidence contrary to setfs claim, therefore he's wrong. Public schools are not indoctrination camps, period!
@ashane77 My opinion? No, my experiencse! There's a huge difference there.
If my experience doesn't count as evidence, what else does? To prove that public schools are not indoctrination camps is easy: One single counter expample is sufficient. And as I said, I went through 13 years of Swiss public schools and indoctrination has never been on the curriculum. You can't really argue against that, you're bound to fail. I win.
@ashane77 After you have realised that you can't defend the "public schools are indoctrination camps"-position you want to talk about something rather unrelated.
Of course you know the answer to your question, so I won't bother to answer it.
I asked a stupid question on your child's education, and you gave an excellent answer :) Of course it is up to herself to make the right conclusions, especially if you also learn her to be critical of her environment. As you said before, humility of your own ideas is a virtue.
@stefbot , That would be a fantastic answer,had not ebay have been the antithesis of evidence requested. I politely ask ; Have you ever had an ebay store?
@pretorious700. How very clever of you to notice that. You get a gold star. I promise you, it's not my only poorly phrased response. So, can you answer the question since no one else is?
@ProtoCosmos The argument against regulation is always an argument for the viability of mutually honest and straightforward human interraction. I see this everyday here where I live, in a micro environment. I believe it is possible in the larger sense too.
@pretorious700 I know very little about Micro Environments. Is there no regulation within them? I tried researching some, but I couldn't find anything relevant to your reply. I have a question : If you could choose between two airlines, and one was subject to F.A.A safety and maintenance regulations, and the other was exclusively self regulated , which would you trust more with your family?
The industry WON'T self-regulate! This is the point of society regulation. Adam Smith himself, the father of economics, said, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public." This is why the gas prices always increase before long weekends. For a very small example.
@mjursic This was kind of a loaded statement from Stef. You should look into his videos and books on DRO's and free market inter-relationships. He proposes solutions where people are incentivized to self-regulate beyond what any government regulator could hope to achieve.
The book is jammpacked with reference to scientific papers that prove that there is a field that connects everything. From quantum physics to experimental science. Spirituality doesn't go against reason and rationality. The last years both fronts have been merging, even though the mainstream institutions don't want to acknowledge it and are actively suppressing this to a degree, because it conflicts with their world view.
I am just as much a rationalist as I am someone that tries to go with feeling. For me it is about balancing rationalism and intuition, not about either of them. Recently I have started reading some sources on the zero-point field and how science is proving the ancient eastern and meso-american philosophies to a degree. If you wish to challenge your views on atheïsm, I can suggest the book from Lynn McTaggart - The Field.
Hi Stefan. First of all I agree with you on education, non-aggression, anarchical philosophy, etc. But on atheïsm I can't anymore. I used to call myself an atheïst, because I pretty much have a strong dislike to organised religion en dogma. But, the last year I have had to come to new conclusions, based not only on my personal experiences with Ayahuasca and having a girlfriend that does the most incredible stuff that can't be rationally explained by the western view on reality.
This is the problem with all of you philosophers out there, all you do is making theories..what is the point of noticing the what is if you will not provide a solution? and is others come up with a solution, all you do is criticize again..God forbid if it is the government.
he brings loads of sollutions if you watch some of his other video's. The thing is that one person can't give all the sollutions. It is about letting people see how things truly work, instead of the dogma and manipulated world view that some people have. When people see the truth (whatever that is), sollutions will be found easily. For me one sollution would be to boycot multinationals, and support local economy. A lot of injustice comes from these robot companies without souls.
@iwantenlightenment Central Park is largely operated operated by the Central Park Conservatory, a private group that grew out of a voluntary citizens' movement, because the State proved that it was unable to do a good job of running it well.
I agree with you views that there's some sort of a magnet, dragging predators towards the "top". But unlike the lions, human predators can and will conspire, and they do.
On ya stef I never realised I had a interest and an ability in philosophy, until I saw your channel. Alot of what you say I have thought which has opened my mind to the fact that I may have something to give to the world as you most certainly do.
DDT is not so clear cut as far as I know. It'd be nice if you presented evidence for your claims instead of scoffing that others are wrong. Otherwise I agree, we go to the state for most things it seems.
@MarioSavioTZM If you're interested there was an enlightening conversation going on a few days ago on Wikipedia's DDT article's discussion page. Look for the comments from an individual by the name of Cadwallader. His criticisms of the methods used to demonize were fairly revealing.
@Xtro2005 thanks. I have no emotional interest in DDT being bad, it's just from what I've seen it doesn't seem obvious either way. I am swayed towards it being 'bad' definately, but I'm not denying it's effective against mosquitos.. hmm I'll have a look.
"Vietnam is an example of a country that has seen a continued decline in malaria cases after switching in 1991 from a poorly funded DDT-based campaign to a program based on prompt treatment, bednets, and the use of pyrethroid group insecticides. Deaths from malaria dropped by 97%."
thanks, great insight. i am not so sure about there being easy safer oil to exploit though. the easy oil has been depleted. BP were cutting corners with safety equipment was one reason for recent environmental disaster. i have worked in oil industry and seen oil fields constructed in nature reserves with out problems.
@Kiddolinfen09 Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me. Where to even begin? "You are clearly racist if..." Dude! Are you for real? We have an idiot here, people, do not feed the troll.
You want to teach methodology? That in itself is a form of conclusion; I would start with epistemology in some simple sense first, and maintain the same openness that you do to the rest. Further, good concepts of the subject is a requirement of using reason correctly, so I would be very careful with the definitions you use.
First I watched "The Road" tonight, then listened to you...utterly depressed now. Even though I am spiritually bankrupt and barely acknowledge myself a Christian, there is the hope one day of a just and loving God, and I hope your daughter may one day have that hope within her. Without hope, all is vain and empty.
Here's the funny thing though; the control and domination thing doesn't work. Not in the long run, anyway. You can benefit once or twice from stealing from somebody, if you can get away with it, but if theft is a way of life for you, you're gonna end up getting tossed into a cell, or having your hands chopped off, or killed, depending on the type of culture you live in. So the secret is, force is NOT biologically advantageous. That's why all organizations based on force will collapse.
Has Obama pulled out of Iraq yet? Has he officially stopped rendition and waterboarding yet? Has he repealed the patriot act yet? Has he done ANY WORK AT ALL towards ending the war on drugs yet? Are you saying the PRESIDENT is POWERLESS?
Carbon emissions are produced from manufacturing and distributing EVERYTHING you have, including food. The lowest carbon emission households in this country are the homeless (It would be zero, but homeless people have to eat, too).
The U.S. is paying for 64 million people to be on Welfare; with half of them having FULL TIME JOBS at corporations like WAL*MART.
MrSchpankme 3 months ago
if it wasnt for the state I would never have gone to college
so yes unethical, but like rome, it does have benefits for a small subsection
and stability is better than chaos and destruction. french revolution anyone?
vtran31 4 months ago
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I had NO idea about the real result of stopping the use of DDT, yet, I am not all that surprised, sadly. I just found this guy's series & am amazed at him bc he is saying OUT LOUD what was, will be & is already. I say YES!!! FINALLY!!! Only thing is: I do believe there ARE Iluminati, secret & dangerous groups that conspire to control the masses& really aside from presentation-he is saying what Infowars,Alex Jones& Jesse Ventura are saying. I love that we ARE are WAKING UP..{Indigo children BTW!
Capri195555 5 months ago
I had NO idea about the real result of stopping the use of DDT, yet, I am not all that surprised, sadly. I just found this guy's series & am amazed at him bc he is saying OUT LOUD what was, will be & is already. I say YES!!! FINALLY!!! Only thing is: I do believe there ARE Iluminati, secret & dangerous groups that conspire to control the masses& really aside from presentation-he is saying what Infowars,Alex Jones& Jesse Ventura are saying. I love that we ARE are WAKING UP..{Indigo children BTW!
Capri195555 5 months ago
The Wikipedia article on DDT is quite in depth and says that Molyneux is ignorant on this subject. Something with a food pyramid and accumulation. Environmentalists tend to go to state solution, yeah DUH, how came those chemicals on the market in the first place? If the state didn’t help Monsanto, Du Pont and Bayer with their profound corruption they never could get this big. You have to rethink your rabble babble a bit more Molyneux.
TerrierBram 9 months ago
I don’t see why it is a disaster that 60 million people died from the ban on DDT. So more people is better for the environment. That’s is quite not in sync with reality. Guess I don’t have to explain myself.
TerrierBram 9 months ago
i couldnt agree more about what you said about educating your daughter. thats what im hoping to do with my future children. teach them how to think for themselves and eventually they will come to the same conclusion: atheism,anarchy and philosophy.
frikodian 1 year ago
@FactualSolutions , I really admire the work of Jacque Fresco but seriously question the motives of the Zeitgeist movement. The Venus project is a beautiful vision but how can you possibly say that it's been tested successfully in the short or the long? Might I suggest the screen name "PossibleSolutions"?
TA2MIKE74 1 year ago
I totally agree with all the complaints about the state and initiation of force. It generally causes the exact opposite result of the goal.
The seemingly inevitable collapse might never happen. Its possible for technology to increase productivity enough to outpace the theft. As long as the theft is of the consumer good and not the capital investments, we are likely to outgrow the theft. The debt based money is the biggest threat since it grows exponentially and natural growth is logistic.
MarkProffitt 1 year ago
Love listening to you. You are clear.
LibertyTreeBud 1 year ago
Many thanks for sharing with us the fruits of your witty reflexions.
They are very tasty and fulfilling.
brotherbanjo 1 year ago
repulsion...ehhem prevention....
mr know in all
comaradella 1 year ago
60.000.000 deaths due tu ddt ban? weird statistics
do you have the figures for how many didn`t get cancer due to the ban?
bet you don`t
comaradella 1 year ago
indeed. I'd like to see some kind of evidence that Rachel Carson's book is "entirely ficticious". Anyone can say such things, please stefbot, direct us to an informationial link.
mjmatthewjohnstone 1 year ago
Most of your ideas are good, but you lost a lot of credibility with your comment about DDT.
phil6lacio9 1 year ago
@phil6lacio9 How so?
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
BP oil spill , a sale of prime assets, to a newly formed US corporation, at half the
true value, paid for over ten years? Well bless my cotton socks..who'd
have thunk that up?
HelmetBlissta 1 year ago
Started exhaling yet? Made me chortle ^_^
danrayson 1 year ago
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youtube.com/watch?v=8EJtowTqHf4
nnwo2010 1 year ago
check out youtube`s DARVAZ BURNING HOLE ,
a huuuge coal mine in Turkmenistan that hit gas in 1970, the workers had to flee for their lifes, the company then decided to light it up, so the gas would burn away, and they could get on with the coal.... HA !!! THE FIRE STILL RAGES ON 40 YEARS LATER, UNSTOPPABLE !!!
GREED IS THE WORST P
comaradella 1 year ago
@comaradella I'd say being an ignoramus, like you, is much, much worse.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
:)
FS
FactualSolutions 1 year ago
@FactualSolutions Zeitgeist is a loony neo-socialist movement.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
@MrJosephMarzullo - yep - zeitgeist is a 400 thousand members loony, neo-socialist, communist, capitalist and satanic new world order Movement - along with all their crazy sustainable solutions that will benefit humanity -
YES, WE ARE DAMN LOST PAL.
:)
FS
FactualSolutions 1 year ago
lol nice trainspotting reference.
Rumplefrumple 1 year ago
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hey stef.. please help me get this to those in charge. Hey people our ocean needs some help. Please read my letter to the prez at
saintronmcg-commonsense101.blogspot.com And help me get this to him somehow. Thx
saintron60 1 year ago
another good perspective of this is what pat robertson says' it's not the usual "the devil did it " stuff. really good insight on the problem and not bashing obama.
type in pat robertson bp spill.....
Mrjayceedee 1 year ago
Absolutely correct. The DDT ban is a supreme example of how the ignorant politicians and environmentalists with good intentions can do massive damage to society.
epilp88 1 year ago
"What's your solution?!" - I used to be bothered with not having a fairly convincing answer to that question myself. obviously this is some rhetoric ad. hominem, but to counter and expose it i usually remind the person that the current discourses and structures of soceity are a result of of ALOT of peoples' ideas and practices. if little ol' me convinced you with my analysis and with it gave a general direction towards a solution, then I'd done my job well. now YOU start thinking too.
YavinArba 1 year ago
i lost the game.
BaDSPLeR 1 year ago
Hi friend, you have common sense. don't sell your decency to the corporate thugs!
on 10:10 you mentioned about iPod and nicely lectured about the stealing, it is a wonderful coincidence, - because iPod and iPhone are both based on the robbery. I am the inventor of the screenboards. My ideas passed international patent search as Inventive and innovative but "gentlemen" from Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and so on... took it for free as if I never existed and don't deserve any royalties!
LeonidRozumenko 1 year ago 13
@LeonidRozumenko I find that hard to believe. If it's true, wow, that sucks. Who makes the patent laws? The governments. I believe a free market patent system would work much better.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
@LeonidRozumenko Have you initiated a dispute with the patent office? Did you have a US or just a European patent? Have you initiated a suit against them?
grumpone 1 year ago
@grumpone , thank you for asking, I had a PCT application (Patent Cooperation Treaty application) which suppose to protect my rights around the world for three years.
average patent attorney asks 240$ per hour (plus charges for all additional expenses) and I don't have money. I was robbed in Ukraine in the 90th with 5-6 hyperinflations 300% each of them. now I have a depression (disability) and no money.
LeonidRozumenko 1 year ago
@LeonidRozumenko -you need to watch "Abolish the IP " I saw on here yesterday & see how they do it...Basically patent laws are nothing but BS.
Capri195555 5 months ago
@LeonidRozumenko business is built on the concept of stealing and overpricing goods. otherwise there would be no profit and there would be no business and there would be no society
the mentality that makes you successful in business is to mercilessly screw people over, ethics and laws be damned
vtran31 4 months ago
DDT is certainly terrible for the environment so it goes back to saving people by destroying innumerable other life forms. However just as malaria was eradicated in north america long ago it would be possible to eradicate it everywhere, just need a very large sum of money to do so....see the Bill Gates' video on that subject, he explains well how this was funded for north america and europe but not for third world countries because no government wanted to foot the bill.
Nebbyker 1 year ago
The State so far is the only Institution with the authority to protect the environment against the ravages of Corporatism.
SpazzzDog 1 year ago
Your humility about teaching/not teaching conclusions while parenting were actually very moving. As an aero egr grad/former math and physics tutor, I really appreciated your example/comparison with foolish ways to teach mathematics. Kudos.
machaeroguy 1 year ago
Of course there is a power elite. To say there isn't is like saying there is no royalty or chiefdom. I understand your point being that it naturally occurs however what you seem to miss - or maybe you don't it just seemed like it - is the fact that people in places of power have to have people under them to enforce that power so they must conspire by definition. Also people with extreme power and privilege seek rushes from boredom and this is where secret clubs come in where they do very...
summergiles 1 year ago
@summergiles ...sick behavior because they are naturally predators, they must bond with other predators in the system of control as the term thick as thieves explains, and because they are bored. Also they reward those that do their work for them with the "privileges" of hurting others the same way a master might let a dog rip an "expendable" prey to shreds periodically to "let it have some fun" with the added bonus of holding the illegal activities over their heads. To say this doesn't...
summergiles 1 year ago
@summergiles ...occur is just illogical and ignores facts. Why do you think police break the most laws? Why do you think senators and the like are always getting in trouble for killing hookers or so many politicians are found to actually imprison humans trafficked. It is the same principles that govern the Catholic pedophile conspiracy. They protect the people that work for them. The higher up the more protection. Same with the Mafia, same with gangs. Same everywhere. Same principles.
summergiles 1 year ago
For your credibility heroin doesn't cause hallucinations. No babies on the ceiling is what I'm getting at.
summergiles 1 year ago
Also, 22/7 doesn't equal pi
ByteSmasher 1 year ago
@ByteSmasher Would you care to post the value of pi in series notation? Excuse Stefbot...(he didn't realize the mighty Ramanujan was going to comment upon the value of pi)
machaeroguy 1 year ago
@machaeroguy I'm not sure what you're getting at... aside from the fact that from what I can tell, the term "series notation" is used to describe a method to display possible values for a function and not successive digit values in an irrational number.... it doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that 22/7 doesn't equal pi..... just take a trig class. It's only accurate to 3 digits. Teaching a child that the way to calculate pi is dividing 22 by 7, is educationally irresponsible.
ByteSmasher 1 year ago
stefbot, do you have citation regarding literacy rates before the implementation of public schools?
ByteSmasher 1 year ago
Your comments regarding on/offshore drilling are fallacious. Even if there were NO restrictions whatsoever on onshore drilling, the US would still be past its peak oil production. And then we would still have moved to offshore drilling en mass. In fact the problems would be worse because onshore production would have peaked higher, thus leading demand higher and then leading to a larger push offshore as onshore production declined from a higher level.
Iconoclast421 1 year ago
great vid stef. packed full! love the conspiracy clarification at the end. all the best.
TWISTbeats 1 year ago
What BP stands for? "Brittish Petroleum" or "Beyond Petroleum"?
adorianvlad 1 year ago
You're gonna catch hell from the religious enviro-nuts now Stef! Going after one of their most holy prophets (Rachel Carson) and defending the demon DDT! I stopped debating these born-again Earth-worshippers YEARS ago...their mythologies and junk science rival those of any Christian ("Dinosaurs walked the Earth 2000 years ago!!!") I've ever met. If modern-day Environmental religious dogma had held sway 200 years ago, we'd probably be living in caves right now...
SugarySweet100 1 year ago
"actually, generally don't."
LOL
rongrite 1 year ago
Violence gives "a short therm solution while creating longer term problems, and greater problems", well put Stef. This is exactly what we see when people commit violence against ecosystems using chemical weapons. I've seen the effects of widespread ecological damage caused by individual self-interest. You, my friend, live in a bubble.
kokopelli314 1 year ago
@kokopelli314
Yes, and the SAME state (USGovt) which used to routinely explode nuclear weapons in the atmosphere REALLY cares about the environment...the SAME state (USGovt) which currently uses depleted-uranium ammo is very concerned about Holy Mother Nature...the SAME state (USGovt) which operates one of the world's largest polluters (its military) is REALLY the organization to turn to to protect the Blessed Environment...
SugarySweet100 1 year ago
@SugarySweet100
I'm not an American, From what I can tell is that your country is deeply divided along any and every issue. It's a wonder that people can communicate at all. Canada's not much better, but we play the consensus game, so regarding the environment, silence is consent. One problem, I see often is folks creating false dichotomies, then picking sides. All this does is obscure deeper issues that we're individually, and as a society afraid to face.
kokopelli314 1 year ago
@kokopelli314
True. The problem is that fundamental questions are passed over and, instead, more superficial points are addressed. I have not heard a SINGLE mainstream 'news' org ask WHY does BP (and others) have to drill so far out to sea? WHY is their liability limited? Enviro-nuts got their way (no oil drilling on land in the Holy Nat'l Parks, etc.), wonder if they're happy? No, all we hear is "Shut it all down/nationalize it..." And Leftists will bitch the loudest when gas = $10/gal.
SugarySweet100 1 year ago
@kokopelli314
Yeah, there is a lot of division, all of which would mostly be irrelevant if not for the govt. that forces people of divergent views into relationships w/each other. What both the "Left" and "Right" have in common is the idea that govt. force is the preferable method of societal organization.
ashane77 1 year ago
@kokopelli314
EXAMPLE: Gay Marriage
In California when this debate was going on, I would suggest what I thought was a resonable "compromise": remove govt. jurisdiction over marriage and let each individual decide which marriages to recognize. "Oh no we can't just have people marrying who/whatever they want willy-nilly, that is an affront to traditional marriage!", said my Conservative friends. "What if some choose not to recognize gay marriages?!", said my Leftist friends. Insanity...
ashane77 1 year ago
@kokopelli314
What niether side in the Gay Marriage fight could conceive of was a solution that DIDN'T involve govt force. Several I knew worried about the state losing revenue, even, if not allowed to issue Marriage Licenses (regarding my suggestion). Either gays would be "allowed" to marry or not. Either EVERYONE would be forced to recognize it, or NO ONE would be "allowed" to recognize it. This is the current insane mentality most in the West labor under.
ashane77 1 year ago
The neurotoxin DDT is environmentally persistant with a half life of 15 years. A 50 year old spill on Point Pelee, Ontario was found to be biologically active. It is highly toxic to fish, is an endocrine disruptor, and through bio-magnification collected in bird populations, dependent on fish. Cormorant and eagle populations crashed in the 60"s. Insects have developed resistance where it is used heavily in places like Kenya, Ethiopia Tanzania and Sudan. You should check your "facts" Stef
kokopelli314 1 year ago
Yea banning DDT was and is a tragedy.
twistedbydsign99 1 year ago
"It can never be done because it has never been done."
Thankfully none of the successful innovators, inventors, engineers, doctors and scientists have ever and will never utter this ridiculous statement.
AndyWright68 1 year ago 2
They may not be chanting and wearing cloaks but what lies behind your ‘social’ face of state and church? Natural selection you say, so are ‘they’ Darwinists who see themselves as separate from the rest of us, therefore they treat us as we treat animals. We don’t see these people who are they? They might as well be cloaked.
ehpl 1 year ago
I wonder what else is in positions of power behind the scenes if as you say the ‘social’ face of control is the state and the church. They might not be wearing clocks and chanting but they are behind closed doors. Could it be that behind the social face ‘they’ have taken natural selection to such a level that they view the population as animals to be controlled and herded?
ehpl 1 year ago
Stef is a smart dude.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
nice reference to 'trainspotting' Stef!
Livefreerevolution 1 year ago
You may be incorrect or partially regarding the DDT ban. The mosquitos in the parts of Africa where DDT was first used became resistence to the pesticide. I think the ban(if there is any(can't accurately recall if the ban is a myth or actually do exists)) came after the mosquitos developed resistence.
At least that is what I recall hearing on the TV in a debate about the DDT. Though I haven't fact checked that.
lordmetroid 1 year ago
@lordmetroid accurate a few species of mosquitoes became resistant to DDT but other species that would eat mosquitoes did not , resulting in a lose-lose situation where beneficial animals were killed off in mass but still leaving the disease carrying insects.
stef seems to have this "humans only and first" agenda that's really starting to unnerve me a bit, he may be some kind of international philosophy superstar but not everything he says holds water.
Diceman82 1 year ago
@Diceman82 SAID: this "humans only and first" agenda that's really starting to unnerve me a bit
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I imagine you consider YOUR life and the lives of YOUR loved ones to be worth more than that of any animal, or plant, or rock, or dirt...I imagine YOU appreciate the benefits of living in a modern, industrial society. Why do you think people in less devoloped places are worth less and undeserving of a better life?
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77
If saving the life of 1 colony of honeybees saves the lives of 1000 people in the future then by all means I am expendable as the needs of the many always outweigh the needs of the few, also please try to stay on the subject matter instead of trying some badly done red herring /guilt trip crap.
Diceman82 1 year ago
@Diceman82
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE UNLESS WE HEED PROPHET GORE'S WARNINGS!!!
SugarySweet100 1 year ago
Welfare is a big economic stimulus for the state, because all that money will go back into the community, where it is taxed - unlike corporations or the middle class who spend on investments in some other part of the world or squirel it away. So it does make economic sense to take the nonproductive money and distribute it to the poor, at least until the state can be smashed, and as it today falls under it's own weight -can't blame welfare for that, but if you could do so then SO BE IT.
anarchore 1 year ago
@anarchore Actually, most of the money taxed for welfare goes to the state, only 10-20% of it gets to the poor...
stefbot 1 year ago 6
Excellent video, I agree 100% with you views on teaching you daughter.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago 2
@BKatlittleton Thank you!
stefbot 1 year ago
@iwantenlightenment Why would someone build a mega mall without anyone to come to it? So this isn't very rational.
RaWBLooD 1 year ago
If you can be told what to hear or read, then it follows that you can be told what to think or say.
RaWBLooD 1 year ago
@iwantenlightenment I tried to post a link in my last post on a news item about a group of Canadian timber companies who've created a conservation area the size of Germany, but YouTube said no... Anyhow, I can message you the link if you like but I think it's a good example of my point. The fact is that 'private group' covers a great deal of organisations and any of them are able to do a better job than the state. As it stands, I'd prefer commercial development over a stabbing/rape field... :-s
LukeWHT 1 year ago
i hate to say it but your talk on the "minor effects of ddt vs mosquitoes" is load of shit ,as studies have shown its horrible effects on birds ,microorganisms such as plankton and its lethal effect on bats all of which i have seen first hand(imagine being able to do nothing as a fruit bat literally vomits its intestines out)not to mention ddt kills off beneficial insects as well.
Diceman82 1 year ago
@Diceman82 Even if this is true (and I have read opposing studies) - what about the 60 million dead humans? Would you be willing to be one of them to protect a bug or a bat?
stefbot 1 year ago
@stefbot
you are not lookin at the larger picture , if we continued using DDT for the last 20+ years how many beneficial insects , birds and bats would go extinct? the loss of food from lack of pollination alone could mean hundreds of millions can starve to death ( the extinction of the north American honey bee alone would kill off nearly a 1/3 of our food production).I would rather have 1 die from malaria(treatable) than 7 from starvation,yes it sucks but sometimes losses are unavoidable.
Diceman82 1 year ago
@Diceman82
Why focus on the last 20+ years of non-DDT use? DDT was used for DECADES before it was outlawed. How come we didn't see the kinds of calamities you mentioned (100's of millions dead, extinction of honey bee, etc.) take hold during DDT's use? Food production (which means less starvation) actually INCREASED during the time DDT was in use. Most likely, many enviro's see the 60 million dead as a GOOD thing--mitigating the overcrowding 'crisis' and burden on Holy Mother Earth...
ashane77 1 year ago
@stefbot I was about to say the same thing. The extent people are willing to go to justify the horrors of the state astounds me.
AndyWright68 1 year ago 4
@Diceman82
No, its not a "load of shit". As Stef said, Carson's book (which can be said to have launched the "environmental" movement/religion) was complete propaganda based on manipulated junk science of the worst variety.
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77
so junk science is being verified over and over by nobel prize winners as well as experiments in multiple nations on its effects?I rather trust evidence from multiple sources and people that do chemistry for a living than some youtube philosopher with no science credentials at all.
Diceman82 1 year ago
@iwantenlightenment Yup, just as it could be sold off under the public sector, though it wouldn't be because it's in the best interests of the private sector not to do so. The private sector is able to do great things, whether for- or not-for-profit, either as in the case of voluntary private organisations pretty much running Central Park, or timber companies in Canada working with environmental groups to create a massive commercial conservation plan... Bloody link seems to be breaking :/
LukeWHT 1 year ago
You are fooling yourself if you think you aren't going to tell your daughter your conclusions. She will live with you, overhear your conversations, eventually read things you're written. Even if you never do it directly (unlikely) you will still do it. But who cares, really? The important thing is that she understands not ONLY what you conclude but ALSO how you got there, and that she have a true confidence that she is allowed to question you.
rivenrock 1 year ago
Natural Law - painfully obvious that Nature is self balancing and self correcting - so....the 'government that governs least' is the most 'natural' solution....
tobiaslarsgunnar 1 year ago
@tobiaslarsgunnar
The government that governs least governs not at all. Amiright?
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
Here, let me ask again. Where's the evidence of a society comprised of over 300,000,000 people successfully regulating itself ? And ebay isn't an answer because it's a private business and not a free society, and has a great number of restrictions and regulations for stores within it. ( in other words, ebay most certainly has a government within it.) Thanks.
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos I suppose you would have opposed ending slavery too, since no society before it ended could be cited as an example. Work with virtue and principles, not impossible evidence, and you will truly help the future.
stefbot 1 year ago 13
@stefbot For a lot of people ( I'm one of them), the need for that kind of evidence (of something that is to them, intrinsically wrong) doesn't exist. Unlike evidence for the viability of a strictly capitalist driven, anarchist society. I have poor writing skills ... What I meant to ask was - What evidence do you have that such a tremendously large society could work? BTW, I love the Virtue - Principles bit . Isn't the frequent lack of the two, the reason regulations exist in the first place?
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos I'll ask the same to you. What evidence for the viability of a statist driven society?
NeutrinoideReturns 1 year ago
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ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@NeutrinoideReturns None whatsoever. But I'm not arguing for an entirely statist driven society. Someone mentioned virtue and principles, as they relate to an anarchist - capitalist society ...Where? And what would some of these virtues be?
I really would like to know.
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@stefbot Private government, public government whats the difference? Isn't a private company just a small dictatorship existing within a larger state? Choose your poison makes no difference to me, one can be just as corrupt as the other so make your choice And I will do my best to work within that system to minimize the corruption until it inevitably collapses.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago
@BKatlittleton
The difference is: government provides their "wonderful" services at the barrel of a gun-- pay or get shot. Legitimate business provide their products and services on a voluntary, take-it-or-leave-it basis. Get it?
DionysusAlS 1 year ago 2
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@DionysusAlS Any organization can become powerful, corrupt, to believe otherwise is naive. States have historically kept companies in check so it may be difficult for you to see how they can become just as powerful, corrupt as a state. Some small examples of this are monopolies and pinkertons. I am not arguing that the state has not become to powerful, corrupt, indeed it has. I am arguing that companies are also too powerful, corrupt and would fill the void left if the state was removed.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago
@BKatlittleton The difference is, a company works voluntarily with its customers while a government does not. Think of it like getting a choice between funding the war in iraq or not. If the war in Iraq was funded through a company system, you could easily just not give that company money, while if it is through a government system, you really dont have a choice.
LIN6LIN6 1 year ago
@LIN6LIN6 Any organization can become powerful, corrupt, to believe otherwise is naive. States have historically kept companies in check so it may be difficult for you to see how they can become just as powerful, corrupt as a state. Some small examples of this are monopolies and pinkertons. I am not arguing that the state has not become to powerful, corrupt, indeed it has. I am arguing that companies are also too powerful, corrupt and would fill the void left if the state was removed.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago
@BKatlittleton I feel like you are forgetting that it takes customers for a company to run. A company can not stay in existence if no one is willing to pay for its services. Monopolies can not exist in a completely free market. If a company is corrupt, its existence will only be for a short while. Ex. If a am a business that cheats people, it will not be long before people catch on, and people will take there business elsewhere.
LIN6LIN6 1 year ago
@LIN6LIN6 You said "Monopolies can not exist in a completely free market". how naive , the central them here I believe and please correct me if I am wrong is that people are being controlled BY FORCE. Are you saying that a corrupt corporation would not resort to force to keep competition out in the absence of a State? please keep in mind we are talking about corrupt people here, people with no morals.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago
@BKatlittleton No I never said that, but i dont think it would be in the best interest of a company to use force. If you consider the after effects from investors and customers, along side the cost of using force on people. weapon, staff, training, insurance. the whole idea is wild if you really understand business plans. Using force can only be profitable if a monopolistic entity like the state can subsidize these costs. Look I dont think that arguing with me or telling me that I am (cont.)
LIN6LIN6 1 year ago
@BKatlittleton (cont.) naive will change how I understand completely free markets. If you want to understand where I am coming from I would check out Stefs podcasts about anarchy on his site Freedomainradio(dot)com.
LIN6LIN6 1 year ago
@LIN6LIN6 I see the problem now, you've never had to pay protection money to the Mofia.
BKatlittleton 1 year ago
They target young children so they can mold them to bow to external authority rather than learning for oneself that each individual is his/her highest authority. Mysticism is believing and acting on the unreal as though it were real. Believing that someone knows better than yourself what experiences you need to live happily and prosperously.
PERHAPS, persuasion is an instinct. The vast majority chose to persuade without a gun. Like-minds seek each other to co-create. A gun is a real turn off.
zonsb 1 year ago
By the very fact of your daughter growing up with you, your views and belief or non belief are transmitted. Learning is partially transmitted by language but most of what is learned is exposure in their environment. I am not saying your ways are wrong but it would be foolish to think our children will become vastly different from their parents. If you are an atheist the chances your daughter being a theist is slim to none.
u50214 1 year ago
@iwantenlightenment Well evidently it's the (voluntary) private sector that ensures the park's preservation, through maintenance of it... The state has proven itself hopelessly unable to do so and now relies on an organisation that receives around 85% of its funding from private sources to maintain the area that the state 'owns'...
LukeWHT 1 year ago
About Conspiracy Theories (CT): at the core of about every CT lies a nebulous entity that is only loosly described, like: "the government" blew up the WTC etc. Who exactly? nobody knows.
This chriterion also applys to the statement, that "the government" provides public schools to indoctrinate children. Well at least here in Switzerland indoctrination is not on the curriculum, believe me when I say that I went through 13 years of public schools unindoctrinated.
your claim sounds smewhat CT-y
HubertCumberdale22 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22 Anything public is evil. Duh. Libraries are fucking pits of sexual depravity.
Crustanarchy 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22 i hear you have direct democracy over there though. it does not matter if there is a conspiracy or not (there are in fact billions of conspiracies going on every day - today i conspired with a colleague to undermine a client, just for example), stefs points do not depend on a conspiracy to running the world, there is praxeology and observation which is as firm a science as you can get. unless you deam all science to be theory (which is true too).
TWISTbeats 1 year ago
@TWISTbeats I'm sorry, how exactly did this comment adress anything I said? Even if stefs other points don't depend on this, he argues as if the public school teachers were conspiring against him and trying to indoctrinate his daughter into statism. I said that this sounds like a whacky (factually unsupported) CT. What kind of people utter this kind of CTs? People with a skewed picture of reality, people who are nuts. With my comment I was expressing that he sounds nuts to me.
HubertCumberdale22 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22 stef does not claim indoctrination in schools is a conspiracy. or an accident. public schools are still indoctrination camps. staffed by people who's livelyhoods are dependent on statism. which means by people who defend the state by their actions. or bored salad fingers.
TWISTbeats 1 year ago
@TWISTbeats i mean, "i'm" bored salad fingers. are we arguing if schools indoctrinate or if there is an indoctrination conspiracy? please clarify.
TWISTbeats 1 year ago
@TWISTbeats To say their is not a conspiracy is not to understand the definition of the word. When two or more get together to carry out a plan that is a conspiracy. This isn't a dirty word it is just construed as a dirty word to invalidate a claim, to undermine credibility. It only means to agree or concur. It insinuates nefarious activity but that isn't required.
summergiles 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22
Many of the "Robber Barons" and government elitists of the late 19th/early 20th century heavily pushed mandatory public education. They were pretty open about their goals to produce complacent/obedient citizenry to fight in wars and work in factories; they were also very honest about there being two classes in their ideal society: worker bees and elites (who would have their own, superior schools). It only sounds "crazy" to those who don't know the facts.
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77 Who cares what some guys and elitists may or may not have said, all I care about at the moment are my experiences.
Stef says: public schools are indoctrination camps.
I say: I went through 13 years of public school here in Switzerland and haven ot been indoctrinated.
So it's not that i don't know "the facts", I simply say: I have evidence contrary to setfs claim, therefore he's wrong. Public schools are not indoctrination camps, period!
HubertCumberdale22 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22
Your opinion doesn't = evidence.
Question: were you FORCED to attend public school?
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77 My opinion? No, my experiencse! There's a huge difference there.
If my experience doesn't count as evidence, what else does? To prove that public schools are not indoctrination camps is easy: One single counter expample is sufficient. And as I said, I went through 13 years of Swiss public schools and indoctrination has never been on the curriculum. You can't really argue against that, you're bound to fail. I win.
HubertCumberdale22 1 year ago
@HubertCumberdale22
Were you FORCED to attend, or not?
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77 After you have realised that you can't defend the "public schools are indoctrination camps"-position you want to talk about something rather unrelated.
Of course you know the answer to your question, so I won't bother to answer it.
HubertCumberdale22 1 year ago
I asked a stupid question on your child's education, and you gave an excellent answer :) Of course it is up to herself to make the right conclusions, especially if you also learn her to be critical of her environment. As you said before, humility of your own ideas is a virtue.
broeman 1 year ago
You sir give me faith in humanity.
MakkaPakka666 1 year ago
lol baldy XD "I don't have to come up with a solution to critisize ...what is"
We need to make a quote website for you.
twilightawakening 1 year ago
Where's the direct evidence of a society comprised of over 300,000,000 people successfully self regulating itself through private entities ?
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos ebay
stefbot 1 year ago 18
@stefbot lol, great post!
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@stefbot , That would be a fantastic answer,had not ebay have been the antithesis of evidence requested. I politely ask ; Have you ever had an ebay store?
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@stefbot I'd have to agree with proto on that one. Ebay is no good example of that.
Wolferal 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos "self regulating itself" is a redundancy.
pretorious700 1 year ago
@pretorious700. How very clever of you to notice that. You get a gold star. I promise you, it's not my only poorly phrased response. So, can you answer the question since no one else is?
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos The argument against regulation is always an argument for the viability of mutually honest and straightforward human interraction. I see this everyday here where I live, in a micro environment. I believe it is possible in the larger sense too.
pretorious700 1 year ago
@pretorious700 I know very little about Micro Environments. Is there no regulation within them? I tried researching some, but I couldn't find anything relevant to your reply. I have a question : If you could choose between two airlines, and one was subject to F.A.A safety and maintenance regulations, and the other was exclusively self regulated , which would you trust more with your family?
ProtoCosmos 1 year ago
@ProtoCosmos The Internet?
rmcc0002 1 year ago
The industry WON'T self-regulate! This is the point of society regulation. Adam Smith himself, the father of economics, said, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public." This is why the gas prices always increase before long weekends. For a very small example.
mjursic 1 year ago
@mjursic This was kind of a loaded statement from Stef. You should look into his videos and books on DRO's and free market inter-relationships. He proposes solutions where people are incentivized to self-regulate beyond what any government regulator could hope to achieve.
0rthogonal 1 year ago
Excellent!
ostralopithicus 1 year ago
sollutions are the simple bit (most sollutions are the simplest options), changing perception to the truth is the hard one.
MrNarchya 1 year ago
The book is jammpacked with reference to scientific papers that prove that there is a field that connects everything. From quantum physics to experimental science. Spirituality doesn't go against reason and rationality. The last years both fronts have been merging, even though the mainstream institutions don't want to acknowledge it and are actively suppressing this to a degree, because it conflicts with their world view.
Greetings, and thanks for your efforts.
MrNarchya 1 year ago
I am just as much a rationalist as I am someone that tries to go with feeling. For me it is about balancing rationalism and intuition, not about either of them. Recently I have started reading some sources on the zero-point field and how science is proving the ancient eastern and meso-american philosophies to a degree. If you wish to challenge your views on atheïsm, I can suggest the book from Lynn McTaggart - The Field.
MrNarchya 1 year ago
Hi Stefan. First of all I agree with you on education, non-aggression, anarchical philosophy, etc. But on atheïsm I can't anymore. I used to call myself an atheïst, because I pretty much have a strong dislike to organised religion en dogma. But, the last year I have had to come to new conclusions, based not only on my personal experiences with Ayahuasca and having a girlfriend that does the most incredible stuff that can't be rationally explained by the western view on reality.
MrNarchya 1 year ago
This is the problem with all of you philosophers out there, all you do is making theories..what is the point of noticing the what is if you will not provide a solution? and is others come up with a solution, all you do is criticize again..God forbid if it is the government.
allenmystyq 1 year ago
@allenmystyq
he brings loads of sollutions if you watch some of his other video's. The thing is that one person can't give all the sollutions. It is about letting people see how things truly work, instead of the dogma and manipulated world view that some people have. When people see the truth (whatever that is), sollutions will be found easily. For me one sollution would be to boycot multinationals, and support local economy. A lot of injustice comes from these robot companies without souls.
MrNarchya 1 year ago 2
@allenmystyq
listen to a couple of podcasts from fdr - you'll find solutions.
But - there are only solutions asuming the change in society will happen peacefully.
LunkwillFook 1 year ago
@iwantenlightenment Central Park is largely operated operated by the Central Park Conservatory, a private group that grew out of a voluntary citizens' movement, because the State proved that it was unable to do a good job of running it well.
LukeWHT 1 year ago
@LukeWHT And what adds icing to the irony cake is the park was constructed by the much lauded WPA
Xtro2005 1 year ago
about conspirators:
I agree with you views that there's some sort of a magnet, dragging predators towards the "top". But unlike the lions, human predators can and will conspire, and they do.
LunkwillFook 1 year ago
On ya stef I never realised I had a interest and an ability in philosophy, until I saw your channel. Alot of what you say I have thought which has opened my mind to the fact that I may have something to give to the world as you most certainly do.
Stuballs84 1 year ago
DDT is not so clear cut as far as I know. It'd be nice if you presented evidence for your claims instead of scoffing that others are wrong. Otherwise I agree, we go to the state for most things it seems.
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM If you're interested there was an enlightening conversation going on a few days ago on Wikipedia's DDT article's discussion page. Look for the comments from an individual by the name of Cadwallader. His criticisms of the methods used to demonize were fairly revealing.
Xtro2005 1 year ago
@Xtro2005 thanks. I have no emotional interest in DDT being bad, it's just from what I've seen it doesn't seem obvious either way. I am swayed towards it being 'bad' definately, but I'm not denying it's effective against mosquitos.. hmm I'll have a look.
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
Your a healthy chap, you don't "snort" heroin. great videos thanks.
EmpoweredByKnowledge 1 year ago
"Teach the kids how to think, not what to think" Thats genius. Superb vid.
WyldOrbit 1 year ago
Relatively innocuous DDT? HAHAHA That's funny.
en (d o t) wikipedia (d o t) org/wiki/DDT
"Vietnam is an example of a country that has seen a continued decline in malaria cases after switching in 1991 from a poorly funded DDT-based campaign to a program based on prompt treatment, bednets, and the use of pyrethroid group insecticides. Deaths from malaria dropped by 97%."
TruthSurge 1 year ago
thanks, great insight. i am not so sure about there being easy safer oil to exploit though. the easy oil has been depleted. BP were cutting corners with safety equipment was one reason for recent environmental disaster. i have worked in oil industry and seen oil fields constructed in nature reserves with out problems.
bruno188home 1 year ago
@Kiddolinfen09 Wow. Just wow. People never cease to amaze me. Where to even begin? "You are clearly racist if..." Dude! Are you for real? We have an idiot here, people, do not feed the troll.
PeterTheEvilBastard 1 year ago
You want to teach methodology? That in itself is a form of conclusion; I would start with epistemology in some simple sense first, and maintain the same openness that you do to the rest. Further, good concepts of the subject is a requirement of using reason correctly, so I would be very careful with the definitions you use.
KraljevicPavle 1 year ago
First I watched "The Road" tonight, then listened to you...utterly depressed now. Even though I am spiritually bankrupt and barely acknowledge myself a Christian, there is the hope one day of a just and loving God, and I hope your daughter may one day have that hope within her. Without hope, all is vain and empty.
bpachol 1 year ago
@Kiddolinfen09
What the hell is wrong with you? Due to the fact that this is the single stupidest thing I've heard in a LONG time, I'm guessing you're a troll.
WHY? If you're going to troll people, go to 4chan. Trolling is views as a art there.
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
That's actually a good quote. "Here's to government; the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!"
sharperguy 1 year ago
@sharperguy
Well it's half right any way. : P
FlailingJunk 1 year ago
Here's the funny thing though; the control and domination thing doesn't work. Not in the long run, anyway. You can benefit once or twice from stealing from somebody, if you can get away with it, but if theft is a way of life for you, you're gonna end up getting tossed into a cell, or having your hands chopped off, or killed, depending on the type of culture you live in. So the secret is, force is NOT biologically advantageous. That's why all organizations based on force will collapse.
moshe88 1 year ago
@Kiddolinfen09
Has Obama pulled out of Iraq yet? Has he officially stopped rendition and waterboarding yet? Has he repealed the patriot act yet? Has he done ANY WORK AT ALL towards ending the war on drugs yet? Are you saying the PRESIDENT is POWERLESS?
Carbon emissions are produced from manufacturing and distributing EVERYTHING you have, including food. The lowest carbon emission households in this country are the homeless (It would be zero, but homeless people have to eat, too).
somecomputergeek 1 year ago