Ecumenism - PART 1

[TheHarri262]

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@TheHarri262 You are most welcome, "member of ROCOR".

[masala505]

@TheHarri262 Yes....no matter how hard Europe tries to modernise they'll always be orthodox churches trying to hold on to the middle age mentality; power, oppression of women, authority, religious fascism, etc. Never-the-less, in spite of religious attempts to keep the world in the bronze age, there's light at the end of the tunnel as religion loses it grip on power in Europe in the face of truth, reason and love.

[masala505]

@TheHarri262 Oh comments pending approval - how fitting. Hide from truth in your dark closet!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@masala505 What was that, Masala?

[youneekk]

Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...

[DeathNest94]

Ορθοδοξία ή θάνατος!

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

We are sinners and through God's grace we are saved from that sin. It is through grace that we are forgiven and renewed and grace which enables us to then do good works for the benefit of others. By this grace we find salvation. This salvation is ultimately found in the Church which Christ founded: The Catholic Church. All this is very interesting and I believe I now have some interesting material for my oral ecumenism exam tomorrow. Wish me luck!!!! God bless you!

[adamantis4657]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae: CHRIST DID NOT FOUND THE RCC

The RCC is a creation of the middle ages, of Popes and Apostates. One innovation after the other...to say that is not HATE but LOVE because it is the truth.

It would be HATE NOT TO SAY IT!

The RCC is heretic and schismatic and uncanonical. But there is time to repent and return to CHRIST.

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

What? Ecumenism = heresy? The heterodox Sects??? THAT is not a Christian approach to Christianity. With all due respect, the CATHOLIC Church is the One True Church and the Orthodox Church broke away from that for good in the 11th century. I am not sure why you are so sceptical, but the Catholic Church certainly is making headway with the Lutherans, several reformed Churches, and most certainly with the Anglican Church. I wish you would open your hearts to this. God bless you!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae: PART 1.- Well, let's see now... What is "a Christian approach to Christianity" (or better put: "to other Christian confessions"...)? The first step is to confess the truth, the facts, and live up to them.

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Ecumenism is a wonderful attempt to unite ALL Christians (I find the term heterodox Christians somewhat belittleing). It's a long shot, indeed, but the point of ecumenism is not to make everyone the same, but to accept a unity with all it variety. The Catholic Church represents that idea very well, when you take a look at the uniate churches (a good example of this is the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church). Ecumenism is being open to others, not forcing your own on others.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PART 2-Do you think (using your own criteria) that it is a Christian approach to the Holy Orthodox Church (which has remained consistent and constant in its confession of Faith unchanged since Apostolic times) to assert (note, without proof or argument offered) that IT (in the form of the 4 Patriarchates) broke from the Roman Patriarchate in the 11th c.? My point is only that you are doing what you accuse us of doing.

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Well, I DO speak the truth do I not? 1054 was that infamous year, was it not? In any event, the excommunication was finally lifted anyway and it's a good thing because we DO share much with our orthodox brethren. Many things are mere formalities, just as is the issue between Catholics and Lutherans in regard to justification. We've made immense progress there. Why are the orthodox, to whom Catholic are closest in beliefs, so against a dialog of peace, unity, and love?

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PART 3-You, like so many, want to think Christianity is all about love with no criteria... anything goes. Would you call it love to enable an alcoholic, a drug user, a child molester? Christ Himself, note, said to the Samaritan Woman: "Salvation is of the Jews..." "I came not to send peace but a sword,..." and a sword in Biblical terms means righteousness. Love without purity is debauchery and adultery... right?

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Your last part makes no sense to me whatsoever. Love does indeed require no criteria. Love is unconditional. No offense, but your comparisons are very weak and irrelevant. Your love without purity statement sounds like something from the Donatists and they were indeed heretics. The Church itself is pure; however, there cannot be an institutional Church of pure human beings. (cont...)

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

PT4- Christ also said: "I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou hast given Me." "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you, not as the world giveth, I give unto you." He speaks here of the Spirit of Truth, "Sanctify them with Thy truth: Thy word is truth." Rome, like Pilate asks, ""What is truth?" As a devious diplomat in a famous film put it: "A man like me tells lies, and hides the truth, but a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it." Sic Roma.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PT5 We can, and will on demand, provide innumerable examples of the alterations, innovations, distortions, and perversions of Christian doctrine (on God, Redemption, ecclesiology, liturgical practice, etc. etc.) that Rome has introduced (and so made the norm that even the Prots accept most of them!) starting with the insertion into the Nicene Creed of the Filioque... a process that began in the 9th c. No, indeed, you are "not sure why"... you need to read up on this.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PART 6- There are innumerable books on the subject. So what if the Roman pseudo-church is "making headway" with the heretical Lutherans, Reformed and what not. Do you want us to begin to list the errors in theological and ethical doctrine that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the state of that organization's heresy (which they share with the Anglican "Church"). Let's start with a simple definition: the Church is defined by what it teaches:

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PART 7- Since Ecumania is the syncretic composite of all the heretical false churches of the West (combined with the nominal "Orthodox" clergy of what we Traditionalist Orthodox call Mainstream or World Orthodoxy -- meaning those who have a Western misconception about the nature of the Church despite their titles, garb or ambiguous statements) it is rightly and simply deemed The Pan-heresy...

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@ChristoEtEcclesiae PART 8 and FINAL PART- Let us ask you simple question: on what other basis than consistency of doctrine can Christ's Church be based? Not on institutionalism, not on obedience to false bishops teaching heresies, not on custom, not on family descent... only on purity of teaching. And here Rome makes all sorts of excuses and rationalizations for her distortions... she tells half-lies...

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

@GreekOrthodoxTV I'm sorry you feel that way about the Church I so love. I am a student of theology and believe it or not, would have come to the exact same conclusions that the Church has in Faith, doctrine, morality, etc. I love the Church and it makes me sad that so many people either don't care enough to want to understand her, or downright hate her (accusing her of (half-lies)).

[ChristoEtEcclesiae]

@GreekOrthodoxTV Wow! You are so full of hate towards the world. We have opened our arms to you and you have spit in our face.Your answers are irrational and hasty and deserve no consideration for thought. Anyone who has so much hate within them should rethink what it is they are actually living for. I feel very sorry for you because at today's rate, more people are joining the Catholic Church than the orthodox, especially after the demise of the Soviet Union. I will pray for your soul.God bles!

[korte9326]

Enlighenment is totally against Catholicism -_-

Seriously, all true believers know, that it means the rise of secularism. The people of Vendée (a French county) have risen up against the french revolution, and they called their army "Catholic Army", and their motto was "Dieu Le Roi" what means god is the king. I respect this orthodox theologist, but he should read some history...

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@korte9326OK: The answer to French secularism is not Roman heresy because secularism is rooted in heresy. It is the inevitable consequence of Latin heresy, which in turn is the product of Scholastic rationalism. Of course, in France militant secularism (anti-clericism) and Roman Catholicism are bitter opponents, because they are on the same level of battlefield, using the same weapons, the same basic presuppositions. korte9326OK ought to read some history of the origin of Augustinian Romanism.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@korte9326: (PART 2) He defends what is indefensible: the distortion of Christianity that has poured out like a poison and plague from post-Charlemagne Rome for 1200 years. If he gets to understand this, he will understand how Sartre and atheistic nihilism are its final wicked offspring (like the urchins lurking underneath the robes of Christmas Present in Dickens: Ignorance and Want. Before he jumps to hasty baseless accusations against whoever was speaking on this program he ought first to

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@korte9326: (PART 3)understand the background and underpinings upon which the speaker's argument was based. Assuming Roman Catholicism is innocent and not the real culprit is simply ignorance and want of zeal for truth.

[10WiseVirgins]

and what about Vatican II? You don't know anything about it? dahhh...

[ratnikaHH]

ORTHODOXY OR DEATH ecumenism is the same heresy like everything non orthodox

[awarepatriot]

Could somebody PM me which EO churches are NOT involved in Ecumenism? Greeks, Russians, Coptics, Antiochians? I don't know. I do know the OCA is involved. I can't find a church. Thanks.

[vasilyjc1955]

@awarepatriot The Patriarchs of Georgia and Bulgaria are not members of the WCC. The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia, along with Greek,and Romanian churches that follow the old calendar are not involved. Unfortunately, all the other Orthodox Churches are involved in the ecumenical movement.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

@vasilyjc1955

Thank you for watching an commenting, Vasily!

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

We thank you, vasilyjc1955!

[vasilyjc1955]

These dialogues with the Catholic Church have been pursued for many years with absolutely no results. Can one seriously think that the Vatican will change? Why be indifferent to this political ecumenism and persistently avoid these truths? It is a shame that certain Orthodox continue blindly to pursue dialogue with the Catholic Church, delusional in their thinking that something positive will take place.

[vasilyjc1955]

Are we to accept the "common ground" philosophy with the heterodox, or stress the richness in Orthodox Theology?On one hand we make the statement that the Orthodox Church is the True Faith. On the other hand, we compromise the traditions, water things down, persist in dialogue with the heterodox. The Traditions of the Church and the examples of the Holy Father's teach us that the Church holds no dialogue with those who have separated themselves from Orthodoxy.

[vasilyjc1955]

@vasilyjc1955

The Eastern Patriarchs need to get together to solve our own problems, such as the jurisdictional dilemmas. Union with all the Orthodox Churches should come first, so that peace and love will exist among the Eastern Orthodox Churches. Then let's contemplate union with the other confessions, and only if they sincerely desire to embrace Orthodox Dogmas and Traditions.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear the888CCCC,

Amen!

[GhostStalker123]

Is Kallistos Ware ecumenist?

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

We do not know the Most Reverend Metropolitan Kallistos (Ware) of Diokleia personally, but we do know that he is a Hierarch in a jurisdiction neck-deep in Ecumenism.

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[REVtalk1]

Is the Pope catholic?

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Dear REVtalk1: The answer is 'no' because the office of the Pope of Rome has been occupied by a heretic since the 11th Century. Catholicity and heresy are mutually exclusive.

[tenorismo]

@REVtalk1 No . 

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

That is indeed an excellent question, REVtalk1. Though we suspect your question is rhetorical as the answer is self-evident. Kallistos Ware, and all leaders of the Ecumenist movement, need to keep the rank-and-file in ignorance lest their nefarious scheme be uncovered by the "mob".

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[GreekOrthodoxTV]

We hope we see you in one of our churches soon!

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[davidperi]

Thanks for posting this topic...I didn´t know too much about its history.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

You're very welcome, David. Unfortunately, there are too many people that know very little about this topic. That is how the Ecumenists want it, as they work best in the cover of darkness.

[hoffabrando]

Ecumenism is the attempt to unit all religions into one big happy family

All at the expense of truth,

But how can this be when, the office of the inquisition, is still in force, and only the name has bean changed, the council of the doctrine of the faith, and Trent, the ward ANATHEMA, is still applicable, look at Vatican city its still a religo-political system.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

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[vanight]

One more thing, most protestants use the Apostles creed, or Nicene creed I think its also called as their statement of faith. I did as well.... I now find this VERY odd indeed considering what it says. If Protestants would study Church history, gain control of their highlighters, they would be led to Orthodoxy, as I was.... nuff said.

[vanight]

cont... for example: Some of the idea of nature of Christ, Heaven and hell, one good example is the simple nature of the soul. The very Protestant / Roman idea that we are liberated from our bodies is not what the church teaches. That is from Greek influence on Christianity from Plato which sent St. Augustine and many others into Heresy. I find this odd being most protestants believe in the bodily resurrection. Anyway, just simple catechumans two cents for what its worth.....

[vanight]

As a Catechuman coming from a lifetime of Protestant up-bringing, I can understand why people mistake Orthodoxy for being the same as the The Pappists (Romans). That is simply just ignorance, the fact that the Romans maintained more of the early Church tradition and "looks" more Orthodox than say a Babtist, is certainly not testament to the Babtists. Also, I am learning the similarities are only surface....cont.

[Hkepfer]

I dunno but you folks sound R. Catholic to me.

May I remind, 7 sacraments, mutual valid orders and if you come from St. Andrew, you know St. Peter.

So is there a hobby horse in the room?

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[milhaus0179]

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[MrSetzer]

Orthodox = idol worshippers who think you need to become culturally Greek or Russian or whatever to be a Christian. Total heretics. Repent your sins and become bible-believing Protestants i.e. REAL Christians.

[Rwmhos]

Alas, you need to read history... As an Orthodox, I worship God instead of a book even if this book is the Bible. "Sola Scriptura" is heretical, a form of paganism. The Protestant faith is light years away from the 2,000-year old tradition of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the only Christian Church, with unbreakable church continuation since the Holy Pentecost.

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[Rwmhos]

I'm not sure you really thank me for contributing. Being an Orthodox I'm alien to "savoir vivre". If my posting is against your regulations, the ones that regulate and censor behaviour, then by all means you do what you need to do. Don't let me stop you. Confessing my faith can be politically incorrect, I understand.

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[PilgrimToChrist]

I am Roman Catholic but I am concerned about the dangers of false ecumenism. Unlike the Protestant sects, we agree there is one Church, we just disagree as to which it is -- who left who. I look forward to unity between the RC and EO but only in true unity, where we agree on the faith. Never compromise, no, but true working out of the alleged heresies. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. One of us is right, the other is a heretic. When we determine which, we can be in unity.

[ukerkater]

I'm Orthodox--I find your point of view interesting. And I agree that there is only one True Faith but I clearly see this as Orthodox. I don't mean to sound arrogant or full of pride, but I think that Catholicism has "morphed" Christianity and taken it away from the True Church. The goal of Orthodoxy, from the beginning and through its Patriarchs is preservation of the fullness of the teachings of the Church. (True and eternal Wisdom)-- not innovation. Eternal Truths do not need innovation.

[PilgrimToChrist]

This is a point I made on another community recently, commenting on the discussions between the Russian Orthodox patriarch and the Catholic bishops. I said that there are fundamental differences between how the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church view the faith. The Orthodox condemn the reconciliation of Christianity with Greek philosophy, as per Thomas Aquinas, as well as the idea of the development of doctrine as expressed by Cardinal John Henry Newman.

[PilgrimToChrist]

The Catholic Church, of course, does not see as innovations those things which the Orthodox and Protestants claim. Protestants would go so far as to say that the Mass (or DL) and all liturgy, the Real Presence, veneration of Mary, intercession of the saints, veneration of icons, etc. are innovations. But both of us would vehemently deny that any of those practices are innovations. So you see how the charge of innovation is ambiguous and applicable by the Protestants to both of our Churches.

[ukerkater]

I don't think that Protestants see the Divine litury, Veneration of Mary,...as innovations but rather as practices that are, extraneous or unnecessary for worship. But their absence in the Protestant faith is an innovation because an innovation is an alteration of,,addition to or deletion of extablished belief or pactice. Simply, it's a change that moves away from the original. I think that this definition applies to changes in the R.C.Church after the schism.

[PilgrimToChrist]

Fundamentalists don't just believe that those things are practices that are extraneous or unnecessary, they believe that they are wrong, sinful, satanic and a corruption of their idea of a "pure Christianity". They don't believe that they removed these things but just that they returned to an earlier, more primitive, and more true Christian practice. Certainly they are wrong, these practices and beliefs exist from the earliest Fathers. But this is how they see Church history.

[PilgrimToChrist]

I think it would be helpful if you would explain some of the things that you see as innovations of the Catholic Church. Certainly there has been much corruption over the past 40 years but what about for 900 years? I do believe that the new liturgy is an innovation and a mess, the pope believes that too, and the modernists and liberals have undue influence over the Church now. But as for official doctrine, how has that changed?

[ukerkater]

Immaculate Conception (of the Virgin), Original Sin, Papal infallability, Purgatory, Indulgences, Scholastism, the concept of the development of doctrine, concept of divine justice, and more...---The Orthodox reject all of these because they are Post--Schism innovations. None of these doctrines existed in the original church. All of these ideas and concepts have immense spiritual consequences and shift the mindset of believers. These are not trivial changes...And then there is recent history.

[ukerkater]

It's also important to note that the Western (in union with the Eastern) Church existed without these innovations since Pentecost until the Schism. One must question why Pope Leo and subsequent Popes thought that they had the right to disrespect the teachings of the church fathers and the "tweak" those teachings as they saw fit.

[PilgrimToChrist]

Well, scholasticism is a school of thought. It is not a dogma. There are people who oppose scholasticism that are perfectly orthodox Catholics. I happen to adore St. Bernard of Clairvaux because of his beautiful Marian devotion. He attacked the rationalism of the scholastics and is called a "Doctor of the Church" (but then, so is St. Augustine). There are different schools of thought within orthodox Catholic teaching, as I'm sure you are aware.

[PilgrimToChrist]

All of those things which you listed which are dogmas -- Original Sin (incl. IC), Papal infallibility, and Purgatory -- we don't see as being anything new. It's really all wrapped up in our understanding of the development of doctrine.

It's like when Paul or Jesus take Scripture and interpret it in radically new ways, seemingly out of context. The seed is there, but there is new and deeper meaning from increased understanding through the Holy Spirit. So it's not innovation

[ukerkater]

I know that Scholasticism is a school of thought but it is one area where Catholics and Orthodox strongly differ in mind set. As Orthodox we reject development of dogma as we honour and respect the teachings of the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils. We do not agree that these Catholic interpretations are necessary or correct. Jesus did not interpret Scripture, he fulfilled it. St. Paul recognized this and illuminated others.

[PilgrimToChrist]

I think what we don't understand is why Ecumenical Councils stopped, from your perspective. You count the first seven and call it complete (it's true seven is a holy number, but still) but we're up to 21 because there are always new issues arising, new heresies to confront, etc. You still have local councils, but why no more Ecumenical Councils?

[ukerkater]

We don't have Ecumentical Councils because we have not needed them. The First seven councils were very specific in theme and purpose. First of all, these Councils addressed divisions WITHIN the Church (heresies,...). In addition, they worked toward a common understanding of who Christ is. Since our Church is not in danger of division and we have a clear understanding of who Christ is, we have not required an Ecumenical Council.

[ukerkater]

If any divisive Christological issues arise, I'm certain that an Ecumenical Council will be called. I know that sometimes Catholics charge that the lack of Councils is somehow evidence that the Holy Spirit is not guiding us, but this makes no sense. The Holy Spirit is with us in worship, prayer and our communal and personal lives.

[Rwmhos]

I'd like to add to your discussion one important point. The Papal church has fought & denied hesychasm. One of the principal reasons of Pappal church's degradation into a secular, metaphysical, intellectual institution, stripped of spirituality, is due to the abandonment of monastic, ascetic life. For Orthodoxy, asceticism/hesychasm, is the core, the pillar, of Christian practice. This points to the principal difference between created and uncreated Grace and also to deification and salvation.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

We agree. Thank you for your comment!

[PilgrimToChrist]

Monasticism has always waxed and waned. In the latter half of the 20th c. Western religious life was in decline, esp. post-V2. There is however, a small revival. I spent this summer visiting a Benedictine monastery and I can attest to the passion of the monks and the rural community which is centered around it. While I was there, we had a visit from a small community of Carmelite hermits. They said they are supposed to get out twice a year but they've been busy so it's been a few years. :-)

[Rwmhos]

The Papal Church's version of monastic life is devoid of Hesychasm and it is not ascetic. I tend to believe that it has a strong element of self-punishment, instead, in order to imitate the passion of Christ. But Christ did not suffer for justice; He did not die to redeem the human race from the infinite insult of Adam and Eve, and He did not rise from the dead because He was God. He resurrected in order to glorify the human body and save humanity from ontological death; out of infinite love.

[Rwmhos]

And for this, out of gratitude, we would normally all be monks on the road to reunion with Him and theosis, as it is a mystery and an infinite blessing, a "scandal", how much God loves us and of what quality His love is.

[mylittleundergroundx]

I do not know what you mean by that Catholic religious are not ascetic. There are many varied communities and orders with various levels of asceticism, different charisms, different purposes. There are friars and sisters who feed the homeless and pray in front of abortuaries, there are monks and nuns who live secluded cenobitic lives. The hermits I met this summer have a small lavra. Asceticism has different expressions -- St. Francis, St. Benedict, St. Theresa, St. Anthony, and others.

[Rwmhos]

Is that version of ascetic life the cornerstone of Christian practice in the West? Evidently, it is not, and such ascetic expression is only a religious stance among others in the same way that there are conflicting variants of the dogma itself within the Papal Church.

[GreekOrthodoxTV]

Thank you, Mr. Rwmhos.

[mdsajith100]

where is my comment I can't see it

[Apologist325]

I think the moderator interrupts them too much.

[PRIXIES]

NO!!!! The most dangerous heresy nowdays is called: ''PRIVATE REASSURANCE''!!!!!!!!!-its all about the theory of the ''pure''ones!!!!!!!!

[Apologist325]

No, Ecumenism is the worst heresy. It was created by Freemasons and Antichrist. It is a direct assault on the Orthodox Church.

[PRIXIES]

No,the instict of ''PRIVATE REASSURANCE'' is nowdays THE heresy......it is the one that makes slaves to God,to powers, to heaven.......weNEED a God to be saved!!! not we need to be saved cause we want God..

[Apologist325]

You don't know what Ecumenism is. It was created by Freemasons and Antichrist. It is the worst heresy known to man.

[Apologist325]

You're talking about some modern movement that was probably created by some New Age teenagers. Those kind of movements come and go. Ecumenism is different because it has the forces of Antichrist energizing it. They literally want to destroy Christianity.

[PRIXIES]

you have [maybe]the right to call yourself orthodox.....but WHO gave the right to put such a name[ecumenism]to the others?????there is no such a name to any of the seven ecumenical synodos!!

[Apologist325]

Ecumenism didn't exist as a heresy at the time of the seven ecumenical councils. You're arguing from silence. The councils condemned in advance all forms of heresy. We have the right to condemn this heresy because we are the Church with the divine authority to do so.

[fukprc]

Please check and you will see that ecumenism, New Age, theosophy, Lucis Trust, Mormonism, JWs, Nation of Islam, Unitarianism, Socianism, etc etc etc were ALL invented by Freemasons, to destroy the faith, and invent the basis of World Cult for NWO.

[rocochap21]

Thank you for this informative video. I am a Catholic myself, and writing from the Catholic viewpoint, I believe one of the comments made to be in error. It was said that the Catholic church (before the second Vatican council) regarded the Orthodox (as well as the Protestants) to be heterodox/ heretics. Though I am not old enough to actually remember back to those times, my understanding is that the Orthodox were and are understood to be in Scism and the Protestants are in heresy.

[Apologist325]

I think you are right. Catholics consider the Orthodox to be in schism. But there is no way we are in heresy because we do not deny anything from the seven ecumenical councils.

[bajgoraUSA]

pope off rome has the pride of devil

[winfield2008]

REPENT. GOD LOVES US. DO HIS WILL.

[blackiebori]

Mark 9:40 says, "You can walk arm in arm with your brothers and sisters of other faith traditions, as long as you are not against each other." -John Shelby Spong

[karpoezi]

Mark 9:40 in the original text says:the one who is not against you is with you.

This interpretation problem started when protestants began translating and creating their own bibles

[blackiebori]

Mark 9:40 does say, "Whoever is not against you is for you."

The Aramaic/Syriac version is almost identical: "men d-la hway hakeyl luqbal, h-laapaykun hu."

Bishop Spong's in the interpretation, NOT the translation.

[Retelas]

but before it says:

Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME

you falsificate the script, if you cut it off

[blackiebori]

"Thy name" was probably not the name "Jesus", but "Messiah"

9:38 "Amar leh yuwxanAn, rabiy, khzayn nAsh, d-map-eq shiad-e: b-aSHMAAK (probably Mishyah), wak-laynAyh y, al d-lA nqep lan."

[blackiebori]

"nqep" = to agree with

[Retelas]

no interpretion problem heretics, if you can understand Greek (the original text) like me

[blackiebori]

Retelas,

First of all, Jesus and his followers did not speak Greek, but Hebrew, Aramaic (the original language), and possibly latin. Please get some education about the anthropology of Jesus.

If someone disagrees with you, you immediately call them heretics......typical "christian".

[FatherWarhol]

"Jesus" is coming soon to create a true "Christianity" where there shall be no possibility of disagreement because there shall be no content whatsoever to this new improved religion.

[frmoses4]

The word "heretic" comes from "heresy", which means "personal opinion." Thus it is a technical term denoting someone with an opinion. It doesn't mean "a person I personal disagree with or dislike." I like many people with opinions. The Orthodox use these words for those with their own opinion, an opinion that does not lead to healing the soul. Of course, you may disagree about what heals the soul, that's your opinion. Orthodox should remember that bickering does not heal the soul either.

[Por0]

This is not true. The greek word haresis indicaates a sect. in Ancient Greece political parties were called the heresies, the differing oppinions. There is a greek word which means "personal theological opinion that is not condemned as heresy", i.e., "theologumena"

[Greentipman]

Heresy is outside the Apostolic teachings

[Retelas]

9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.