I'm gonna bet the round used in that rifle was for a lever action and too "hot" for that gun. I only use goes 405 grain black powder rounds in my trapdoors.
About that rifle I was talking about , if you buy a gun from a store it has serial numbers on it so it can be traced to its owner , the custom rifle rifle I was talking about doesn't have any serial numbers of any kind on it at all . If someone were to use it for a crime how could you trace it ? I looked this rifle over more than once and there are no serial numbers at all . So how is it a legal rifle ?
I have a question , someone I just met has a beautiful custom made Mauser in a .270 for sale but someone at my job also said you need papers saying who made it etc . I was told that if you ever took it to have work done to it without those papers the gunsmith is supposed to call the police . What is the truth with buying custom made rifles that are used ? This one belonged to an old man who used to hunt elk in Colorado years ago . Anyone ?
The guy at your job is an idiot. You don't need any papers. If you don't know guns, sounds like you don't, get the 270 checked out by a gunsmith. He won't call the cops I promise. Here is a quick way to a make a few bucks. Tell your friend to put his money where is mouth is. Bet him fifty bucks that he is a liar. You put up fifty and have someone you trust to hold the 100. Take the gun to a gunsmith and have it checked out. Then you get his fifty and it pays the smith and then some
hey ya jr.freedy remember walmart does sell replacement eyes,i bet ya learned ya got off with a kiss next time maybe ya leave and all is dark forever wise up
On a Springfield, camshaft & latch are SOLIDLY fastened, and cannot rotate with respect to one other. This requires a mortise and cover-plate in the side of the block, and more machining. Compare an original block to a repro. H&R thought they could make a simpler (cheaper) design, and omit that machining - using a setscrew to hold the parts by friction. Works fine until it comes loose - then, you push the latch down, but the shaft doesn't turn, and the cam doesn't enter its' recess. No lockup.
The problem illustrated has NOTHING to do with the load. It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the arm is NOT an original Springfield, but rather an H&R, or an early Pedersoli. The latch mechanism design on the reproductions is faulty, and completely different than that of the Springfield. On the repros, the thumbpiece can come loose on the cam-shaft, and the action will APPEAR to be locked when it isn't. The result will be as pictured. He is VERY lucky.
@sa4570af thank you for this comment, after some research, i discovered this fact. why would H&R change the mechanism? thats my question. If its not broke, dont fix it.
Keep the velocities below 1400 FPS and the bullet weight below 450 grains. Do not use smokeless powder in a Trapdoor unless you are absolutely careful. You must keep the charges on the mild side with smokeless.
@Iraqveteran8888 He's right,You are not supposed to use ammo ment for marlin lever type rifles. You can find ammo made for trap doors,it's a bit pricey. Or you can reload to 1400. Original; loads were 1350 fps with a 405 grain bullet. It's what I shoot and it drops 35 inches at 200 yrds and still carries alot of energy ,enough to knock down any deer.
You should be using 405 grain black powder rounds. You can tell right off the bat that your using smokeless powder, which is fine most of the time, but those rounds look too hot.
Were you using hot loads by chance? Stock loads should have been no issue. Just wondering, as I have a Model 1873 from around 1892 and I have not had this happen. Yet.
@MMSMikey I have a number of H&R rifles, two in 45-70, and they are all tack drivers. It's a poor sportsman that blames his rifle. I am willing to bet money that the round fired in that trapdoor was loaded for a Marlin 1895 rifle. The 1895 is a cowboy rifle and the round for it is way to hot for a trapdoor.
I'm gonna bet the round used in that rifle was for a lever action and too "hot" for that gun. I only use goes 405 grain black powder rounds in my trapdoors.
griebz 1 month ago
I have an original .45-70 Springfield U.S. Army issue Cavalry Carbine, and it's a sweet piece.
GUMMYBEAYUH 1 month ago
maybe because its pre 1898. not 100% sure tho
MMSMikey 1 month ago
I hope you had a good hunting season this year , I sure did .
MrGuitars8 1 month ago
About that rifle I was talking about , if you buy a gun from a store it has serial numbers on it so it can be traced to its owner , the custom rifle rifle I was talking about doesn't have any serial numbers of any kind on it at all . If someone were to use it for a crime how could you trace it ? I looked this rifle over more than once and there are no serial numbers at all . So how is it a legal rifle ?
MrGuitars8 1 month ago
Hahaha
PUJARTIAGO77 1 month ago
I have an H&R Trapdoor just like that one, and have never had it do that!
Deiseljunky 2 months ago
I have a question , someone I just met has a beautiful custom made Mauser in a .270 for sale but someone at my job also said you need papers saying who made it etc . I was told that if you ever took it to have work done to it without those papers the gunsmith is supposed to call the police . What is the truth with buying custom made rifles that are used ? This one belonged to an old man who used to hunt elk in Colorado years ago . Anyone ?
MrGuitars8 2 months ago
The guy at your job is an idiot. You don't need any papers. If you don't know guns, sounds like you don't, get the 270 checked out by a gunsmith. He won't call the cops I promise. Here is a quick way to a make a few bucks. Tell your friend to put his money where is mouth is. Bet him fifty bucks that he is a liar. You put up fifty and have someone you trust to hold the 100. Take the gun to a gunsmith and have it checked out. Then you get his fifty and it pays the smith and then some
sanity599 1 month ago
Nice rifle! But why are you dressed in a plastic bag?
laksemann 2 months ago
@laksemann lol, because it was pouring rain.
MMSMikey 2 months ago
hey ya jr.freedy remember walmart does sell replacement eyes,i bet ya learned ya got off with a kiss next time maybe ya leave and all is dark forever wise up
121126 2 months ago
@121126 English please.
MMSMikey 2 months ago 5
@MMSMikey think he means you should always where saftey glass and your lucky that you did'ent lose an eye.
mrsuperterd 1 month ago
@121126 the saying is doesn't
futuresolider96 2 months ago
No serious injury, but I'm sure it's a reminder to wear eye protection.
TheRantingCabbie 2 months ago
Piece of shit, hope you didn't get seriously hurt
VicariousReality7 3 months ago
On a Springfield, camshaft & latch are SOLIDLY fastened, and cannot rotate with respect to one other. This requires a mortise and cover-plate in the side of the block, and more machining. Compare an original block to a repro. H&R thought they could make a simpler (cheaper) design, and omit that machining - using a setscrew to hold the parts by friction. Works fine until it comes loose - then, you push the latch down, but the shaft doesn't turn, and the cam doesn't enter its' recess. No lockup.
sa4570af 3 months ago
The problem illustrated has NOTHING to do with the load. It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the arm is NOT an original Springfield, but rather an H&R, or an early Pedersoli. The latch mechanism design on the reproductions is faulty, and completely different than that of the Springfield. On the repros, the thumbpiece can come loose on the cam-shaft, and the action will APPEAR to be locked when it isn't. The result will be as pictured. He is VERY lucky.
sa4570af 3 months ago
@sa4570af thank you for this comment, after some research, i discovered this fact. why would H&R change the mechanism? thats my question. If its not broke, dont fix it.
MMSMikey 3 months ago
@MMSMikey I doubt they were making, or even thought they were making, a mechanical improvement....more like a "cost effective improvement".
slt223 3 months ago
You're lucky you didn't lose an eye. Wear your shooting glasses, dude.
hot2warm 4 months ago
Keep the velocities below 1400 FPS and the bullet weight below 450 grains. Do not use smokeless powder in a Trapdoor unless you are absolutely careful. You must keep the charges on the mild side with smokeless.
Iraqveteran8888 5 months ago
@Iraqveteran8888 He's right,You are not supposed to use ammo ment for marlin lever type rifles. You can find ammo made for trap doors,it's a bit pricey. Or you can reload to 1400. Original; loads were 1350 fps with a 405 grain bullet. It's what I shoot and it drops 35 inches at 200 yrds and still carries alot of energy ,enough to knock down any deer.
Hardcorediver44 5 months ago
Were you holding it right? ;-)
saints360row 6 months ago
You should be using 405 grain black powder rounds. You can tell right off the bat that your using smokeless powder, which is fine most of the time, but those rounds look too hot.
griebz 10 months ago
Were you using hot loads by chance? Stock loads should have been no issue. Just wondering, as I have a Model 1873 from around 1892 and I have not had this happen. Yet.
reno145 11 months ago
@reno145 i was using cowboy loads. shows u what a piece of shit H&R made
MMSMikey 3 months ago
@MMSMikey I have a number of H&R rifles, two in 45-70, and they are all tack drivers. It's a poor sportsman that blames his rifle. I am willing to bet money that the round fired in that trapdoor was loaded for a Marlin 1895 rifle. The 1895 is a cowboy rifle and the round for it is way to hot for a trapdoor.
sanity599 1 month ago