Esti nepoliticos cu tine, nu cu mine. As putea merge atat de departe incat sa spun ca esti un propagandist pro-Slav si minti ca esti la facultatea de istorie. Notiunile tale de istorie antica si Medievala sunt egale cu zero.
Semi-nomadismul la care faci tu referire era strict regional, Vlahii retragandu-se in munti si paduri pentru a isi prezerva cultura si sangele pur.
Tracii erau un popor de origine din Asia Mica (Zona Bizantului si toata Coasta de Vest a Anatoliei). Venirea lor in zona Balcanica a avut loc in jurul anului 2000 BC. Dupa venirea lor aici au format o cultura distincta, in urma influentelor Celtilor de la Nordul Marii Adriatice precum Boii. Romanii se trag din Troia (Traci).
Soarta Turcilor din Grecia a fost decisa de Monarhia Germana a Greciei, nu de mine. Eu doar cunosc ceea ce s-a intamplat si o spun asa cum este...
Sustinerea ideii de autonomie a populatiilor din nordul Greciei este aberanta. Arvanitii vorbest Arvanitica si se considera Greci. Vlahii vorbesc Armaneste si se considera Greci. Slavii si Bulgarii vorbesc intre ei Slavona si Bulgara si sunt considerati cetateni ai Greciei Slavo/Bulgaro - foni.
Nu are rost sa sutii ceva ce nu-si doresc populatiile din zona Macedoniei antice. Tu, prin asta sustii doar ideile iredentiste ale Bulgariei si Fostei Iugoslavii, nu populatiile care traiesc in Grecia si sunt multumiti sa fie Eleni, sa invete acasa Armaneste si la scoala Greceste.
Da, ar fi minunat dar din pacate sunt indoctrinati de teoriile Titoiste din timpul comunist si au fost Slavonizati pana astazi.
Maghiarii nu sunt Sasi sau Secui. Nu au cum sa se uneasca cu ei.
Jirecek este un propagandist Austro-Ungar care incerca sa "justifice" prezenta populatiilor latinizate din zona Balcanica. Astfel s-a creeat ideea de transhumanta. Intradevar, Vlahii au pastrat vechile obiceiuri printre care pastoritul si transhumanta dar sa implici ca transhumanta se face din zona Greciei pana in Carpati si invers este stupid. Avem si noi munti acolo in Grecia, nu trebuia sa trecem Dunarea pentru transhumanta.
Cine esti tu sa decizi autonomia unei zone care apartine altei tari??? Cine esti tu sa decizi ca Vlahii sau alte populatii Elene sa devina minoritati in propia tara?
Asculta bine aici: Vlahii din Grecia nu sunt Maghiarii din Romania, ca sa ceara insulta de a deveni minoritate in propia tara sau o regiune autonoma. Rudele cu care am discutat desi nemultumite de conducrerea Greciei, nu doresc sa devina o minoritate in propia tara!
2. Faptul ca Romania adopta diverse personalitati ca fiind autohtone nu este vina mea.
3. Da, sa se duca in Turcia. Nu stiu cat de indigeni erau acei turci acolo, din moment ce Grecia de nord nu a fost locuita de Turci pana la invazia Otomana.
4. Valul de Greci anatolieni a venit ca urmare a genocidului comis de Turci asupra populatiilor Ortodoxe. Ca si OM ar trebuii sa te bucuri, ca persoana cu origini Elene ar trebuii sa te bucuri.
La punctul doi te inseli amarnic. In timpul ocupatiei Otomane nu exista Macedonia ca si nume, exista Rumelia (taramul Latinilor) Rum = Numele Grecilor Medievali (Greco-Romani).
Ceea ce tu atribui Grecilor a fost infaptuit de Monarhia Germana a Greciei (care au incercat distrugerea si stramutarea Vlaho-Macedonenilor din Grecia)
Macedonia reala este in Grecia si daca o sa mergi acolo vei gasi multe tipuri de oameni cu culturi diferite.
Ce vorbesti? Am rude indepartate in Veria si stiu destul de bine ce se petrece in Grecia. Intereseaza-te cine este primarul din Salonic, o sa afli ca e un Arman(Vlah). In Grecia exista scoli in limbile respective care tin de comunitatile vorbitoare de acea limba.
Turca si gagauza nu sunt limbi indigene ale Greciei. Daca vrea cineva sa vorbeasca Turca, sa se duca in Turcia.
Si eu consider ca Grecia ar trebuii sa faca mai mult pentru prezervarea culturilor respective.
Vasil II , yes is Vlach . Although he is not greek by blood ....
Honestly man you seem like a nice bloke but have you spoken to a Vach ?? also you know they have their own Language (Vlashki ) just like us Macedonians that still speak Macedonian in north Greece even thoe it's OUTLAWED IN GREECE TO SPEAK MACEDONIAN AS OF 1930s. Othere than that you also should know back in the 1920s domanant language in Athens was ALBANIAN & they had there own news paper back then.!
You are right, but except for Thracians, there were other populations in the Balkans too. The Macedo-Romanians descend from the Latinised Macedonians. And you shouldn't make any difference between Dacians, Getae and Thracians, as they were the same people (Thracians).
Funny thing, I'm half Vlach and I consider ourselves to be more Greek than the Greeks themselves. The Vlachs gave the Byzantine Empire a wonderful dynasty. Look it up.
YOUR HALF VLACH & YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF GREEK ?? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU MATE ??
GREECE IS NOT A NATIONALITY !!! IS JUGOSLAVIA A NATIONALITY ?? NO !!!! GREECE IS THE SAME AS JUGOSLAVIJA & BULGARIA THE SAME !!! COUNTRIES MADE UP AFTER WWII !! UNDERSTAND ??
TO BE CALLED A GREEK IS TO BE A GYPSY .. NOTE: GREECE IS A JEWISH STATE !! THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW THIS , WHAT ABOUT YOU ? I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU MAN AS A VLACH YOU SHAMED YOUR PEOPLE , MORE VLACH LIVE IN MK THAN gK
@mupsen123 THE MACEDONIA IS PROVIMCE OF GREECE. THE MACEDONIANS IS GREEK TRIBE. THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS, THE GREEK LANGUAGE. THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK PEOPLE.
MACEDONIANS ARE THE GREATER POPULATION OF ANCIENT PEOPELS SO HOW DID YOU COME TO BELIVE THAT SUCH A SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT NEVER HAD A NAME CAN MAKE CLAIM TO THE MACEDONIANS ??? WAKE UP YOU IDIOT GREECE IS AS OF 1820 ,,,,,, HAVE A LOOK ATR SOME MAP BEFORE 1912 & YOU'LL SEE HOW SMALL IS TODAYS GREECE & WHAT IS MACEDONIA !!!! YO ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO SENCE !
DOOPY THERE NEVER WAS A GREEK ;LANGUAGE UPUNTILL 1930 !! IT IS CALLED MODERN GREEK BASED ON THE ATHENIAN DIALECT !!!!
KOINE IS THE ANCIENT WRITTEN LANGUAGE OF THE CHURCH JUST LIKE WE HAVE LATIN YOU IDIOT !!! THE LOCAL LANGUAGE SPOKEN AT THAT TIME IS MACEDONIAN !! UNDERSTAND ?? SPARTANS,ATHENIANS & OTHERS NEVER SPOKE ONE LANGUAGE LIKE TODAYS ATHENIAN GREEK !! WAKE UP !! MACEDONIANS OUT NUMBER ATHENIANS & SPARTANS PUT TOGETHER YOU FOOL !! MACEDONIANS ARE SAYING FUCK OFF !
@unfukkkmee hahaaha yes yes all world is greek :DDDD maybe kenyans also greek people lol you are typical stupid gayreek monkey. lets forget to this stupid gayreek... Vlachs are latinic people live in balkan area.. bye
I'M FASCINATED OF THIS VIDEO (THE SONG AND THIS VERY GOOD PERFORMANCE). BUT I DIDN'T FIND SOME OTHER VIDEOS WHICH CORRESPONDING WITH THIS ONE, AND I'M STILL SEARCHING FOR IT. IS THERE SONEONE THAT CAN PASS ME ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL VIDEO? WHO ARE THE BAND? WHERE I CAN FIND MROE MUSIC OF THEM? IS IT FROM SOME FILM? THE MEANING OF TEXT, ETC. PLEASE...THANKS.
Vlachs = the real thracians . About tesaly because people below me talk about this . The statistics show that in 1913 1/2 of tesaly's population was vlach . It was even a state named Great Valachia in tessaly , a land which according to ancient greek sources was rather thracian than greek .
I really don't get it now... I always knew about the existence of these people, I always knew, that today's Romanians are very closely related to Albanians, Slavs and Romans. I always thought they have a nice history, but then, why on earth do they still hang on so tight to their Carpathian origins? Just doesn't makes any sense... I think their ACTUAL history is much nicer, and Aromanian people are kind and loving...
The Hungarians have always claimed that Romanians come from South of the Danube which is partially true. But what is also a fact is that Romanians were the natives in the Carpathian region too. Even extending to the Pannonia plains and the Tatra mountains. To counter the Hungarian lobby , Transsylvanian Ro nationalists ignored the Southern Romanian ethnicity. Later on they were almost abandoned for the sake of friendship with the Balkan royal families.
1, Greeks of Southern Italy-in 19th century there kived many Greeks in Calabria and Sicily, today majority of them are assimilated and dont speak greek wven if they speak they dont feel as Greeks but as Italians! But GREECE doesnt care about it! Greece doesnt think its something wrong!
2, There are many Italians in Croatia and Slovenia in who became assimilated, but Italy doesnt make problems with it.
THESE PROBLEMS CAN BE JUST IN BALKANS! SHAME!!!!!!
But what about this wohderful song? i guess, dear people, that in your opinion it is not the "point", isn't it so? anyway, i love this simple, concentrate and calm tune, sung in silence and has restrained enrgy in it.
Could anyone. please, tell me where it's posible to get it? on some disc, or such...?
i hate when people like melkarth say bullshit that vlachs don`t want to be minority and they want be assimilated by greek...i have relatives who ran out of greece.they say they are afraid of saying they are armani.nice job greek government
Daca ai fi citit cu atentie ce am scris in engleza ai fi vazut ca exact acest lucru il sustineam si eu ca autoritatile grecesti au facut o treaba excelenta in activitatea de asimilare si deznationalizare a armânilor de pe teritoriul lor. Am o gramada de rude la Cogealac(Constanta) si mergeam acolo in fiecare vacanta de vara si am vorbit de mai multe ori cu armâni veniti in vizita din Grecia .
Tin minte odata ca am vorbit cu doi batrinei cam la 50-55 ani , sot si sotie veniti cu o delegatie din Aminciu si ei spuneau ca sint Vlahi Eleni. Chestia asta este exact doctrina greceasca ca armânii ar fi de fapt greci care vorbesc un dialect vlah , romanizat adica nu sint armâni pur si simplu ci armanji vlahophonji .Ori eu stiu ca orice armân nu se considera nici grec nici bulgar ci in primul rind armân - armânlu easti armân
That's why the first major Technical School of Athens was founded by Vlachs in 1836 and is called until today "Metsovio" named after Metsovo, the vlach town. And that's why the majority of the donnators of the greek state in 19th century were Vlachs: Zappas, Averof, Tositsas, Sinas etc.
And that's why the capital of Greece is full of roads named after Vlach benefactors. And that's why Kolettis(1834-1835,1844-1847), Papagos (1952-1955) etc. were prime ministers of Greece. And that's why our national Enlighter, Rigas Feraios, was Aromanian.
As for greeks and Aromanians ( latin Macedonians) the rapport showed that were practically equal in number , around 1500 000 each with a little superiority for the greeks but the difference was very little. So now after more then 100 years were are those 1 500 000 aromanians or at least the part of them that fall under greek rule in 1913 ? But they suppose to be more then that now. In a civilised country minorities dont just dissapear like that !
Tu mi hai detto che gli Aromaniani in Grecia erano 1 500 000 che e un numero di cazo imposibille! Per la Macedonia (tutta la provincia ottomana) comme la maggiorita erano gli Slavi, doppo Greci, Turchi, Ebrei che in lultima cosa Aromani! In tutta la Grecia di oggi sono circa 300 000 uomini chi sonno discendenti dei Aromani! Non piu! E quelli sono predominalmente dal regione di Tesalia centrale (Pindus). Doppo sono circa 400 000 Arvaniti dal origine e circa 60 000 Slavi.
NE un millione dei Greci non avevano origine arvanito o aromano o slavo! E quasi tutti non sono puri! In la Macedonia greca non hanno restatto molti Slavi, in la Macedonia di nord vivano Greci Ponti.
I see you didnt understand well what i have said. The number i give you ( around 1 500 000 Aromâni) was around 1880-1890 . Since then 50 000 imigrated to România after the balcanic war from 1913 , and many others imigrated to other countries from Balkans ( Serbia , Bulgaria) and Europe , and also many Aromâni imigrated to USA and also many were assimilated linguistically trough the greek schools This is how now the greek authorities say that there are only 300 000 of aromanians in Greece.
I understood you. 1 500 000 Arumunians its wrong number!Its not possible, because they were still linguistic minority in all parts of Greece (mainly Thesalia). 300 000 Aromanians in Greece are total number of people who in Greece have aromanian origin its good number! Many of them dont speak aromanian but this number shows just origin! Its true because they were lkinguistic minority and majority in all parts of Greece were greek speking people (just for macedonia slavic peopel)
Aromanians were never "latin". Don't insult them. "Latins" are people of the West. They always have been Romans(their name is Aromanians not Alatins), heirs to the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) speaking a latin-based dialect.
The rest of the modern Greeks are ethnically the same thing: Romans (their name is Romioi), heirs to the Eastern Roman Empire speaking greek-based dialects. That's why there is only one minority in Greece, the muslim one.
Greece has European looking people, mostly of Vlach, Albanian and Slav origin and many people with darker skin looking Egipitian like. This and music, food point out that maybe the Danaan theory of original Greeks beeing Egyptians is true.
@ADiamandi that is because a large population of "greece" is not of greek origin. A large percentage of "greeks" are of Albanian, Vlach and Macedonian decent. The darker more egyptian looking people are found in the southern part, south of Aegean Macedonia and Epirus are the true greeks.
The prime minister of education of the Kingdom of România was sent in 1880 by the king Carol in Macedonia who that time was a turkish province, to prepare an rapport about the ethnic structure of the region. The minister has stay in the province for a couple of months and his final rapport showed that in the north of the geographic region of Macedonia ( that now is the Republic of Macedonia) the slavic Macedoniens were majoritary.
The greek authorities should've protect them this long time and not try to assimilate them !!! Now is maybe to late.You told me this numbers ? Informe yourself better and dont present me the numbers and procents now , see the demographic structure of Macedonia at 1850 or 1880 and you would see that then were a lot of Macedoniens and around 1500.000 of Aromanians in Macedonia. And by Macedonia i mean the hole region including the actual republic and the north of Greece.
For so long your authorities make such grat efforts to convince them that they have to be greeks that is good for them to became greeks and not keep their national identity as Albanians , Macedoniens , Aromanians (Vlachs) etc and now you say to me as an argument that they dont want to have national rights?? ? Off course that they dont want , they are acostumed to declare themselfs as greeks !
Yes you're right the Albanians , Aromanians and Slavic Macedoniens from Greece ar not ethnically pure anymore cause they are assimilated by the greeks. After 50 or 60 years of efforts made bu the greek authorities to assimilate them everybody can understand why they themselfs dont want to be seen as national minorities now Cause for so long being a part of those nations has mean being a second-class citizen in the greek society.
Aromanians in Republic of Macedonia ( not Fyrom) enyou all national rights , they have schools,media, folk festival , they are mentioned in MK Constitution and aromani language is oficial in Krushevo where more than 20 % are Wlachs !
Arommanians in Macedonia are our brothers in Christ and arms ! they allways fight together with us in all uprissings and wars against Turks,Germans and other enemies ! thats way they are highly respected and they deserved all that rights , same like us !
In Greece situation was that all people migrated to two big cities, Athens and Thessaloniki. And Aromanians and Arvanites as a minority mixed there with Greek speaking majority. About Macedonia, yes its true Greeks were minority there befour 1923, there lived mainly Slavs, but after exchange with Bulgaria and civil war majority of these Slavs left this region and there came Greeks from Anatolia, mainly from Pontus. If there was assimilation it was natural assimilation and mixing coz urbanization
This kind of irresponsible politics create the present situation when are many Aromanians in Greece that are barely able to spoke their own language cause for the majority of the time they use greek language.This is how this kind of incredible situation apperead: the vlachs themselves refused to have public instruction in their own language . BUt the greeks are for blame for this for so long they say that the Vlachs are only romanised greeks and thet vlach language is only oral and not writte.
wel, I now al that my Romanian friend , and not only the Wlachs in Greece are with out human rights ! !Macedonins,Turks,Pomaks,Gypsies,Arvanites(Albanians), nobody have rights there , nobody is recognized ! and Greece is only EU member that dont sign Helsinki Convention for human rights !
Yeah is incredible how Greece can be accepted as a member with full rights of the EU and not respect the at least the basic national rights for his minorities. They even dont recognised them as national minorities wich is incredible for the year 2009 ! Other countries (România for example) were very much conditioned for join the union to respect a high standard of protection regarding national minorities. And other countries like Greece and even Bulgaria have practicaly no problem with that.
When Greece was accepted to the Union, the minority issue was not an issue.
It Greece wanted to join the Union today, she wouldn't be accepted because the acquis (the legislative package that any aspiring nation must accept) contains now provisions regarding ethnic minorities.
Greeks doesnt recognize minorities coz there arent! Vlach and Arvanites DIDNT want to be minority, they had been asked about IT! And Turks are minority in Greece! Poor state in Europe could be just lazy and wild barbarian nation like Skopians and Albanians thats true! Greece is part of EU and thatswhy there could be antidemocratic actions! P.S. about ancient Greeks, Aristoteles said: Democracy is just bad form of good form politea!
O YEAH !!!??? Greeece ask them , and they say NO , we dont want own rights !!!??? we dont want schools in own language , NOTHING ! HA,HA , and you espxt that somebody wil believe that bullshit ???
Turks are not recognized ! Greece recognized only MUSLIM minority , not Turks ! and MUSLIM is faith , not a nation , you stupid fuck !
you are really idiot what have you benn studied?? or there in FYROM there arent schools?? who is Muslim for Greeks? TURKS! Muslim COULDNT be Greek! Greek muslims speak turkish, they arent Greeks! Show me just one Arvanite or Vlach from Greece just here in youtube how does he feel himself!! Try to find one and ask him and you will see the answer and than write me ok? And im fucking about your opinion if dou you belive it or no! you arent part of Europe and never will be!
P.S. in FYROM ancient Macedonians never lived. there were Paionians and Thracians so how could be you relative to peoples who never settled there? haha idiot
stupid arab neo/greek , not only Turks are muslim in Greece ! what about bulgarian muhamedans Pomaks in the Greek part of Trakia !!!??? you dont recognized a FAITH, but NATION !
yes Pomaks and Turks both arent Greeks so what do you want to try? And many Vlachs and Arvanites could speak theyr language, but Arvanites or Vlachs arent pure. Great majority of them live in cities where they mixed with Greeks, so the people of Greece live in cities and they all are mixed with other people from other part of Greece.
For example in Attica in 1923 there lived maybe 100 000 Arvanites, and much more Greeks who came there after 1830 mainly from islands, then autochtonous attic Greeks (Athenians, Megarians, Oropians, Vlikians) and Sarakatsani Greeks who came there in 18-19th century from Agrafa. in same year (1923) to Attica came about 400 000 Greeks from Anatolia. So you can see how mixed was this teritorry and later 1923-present millions people live there! There couldnt be many pure people by region!
Wlachs ,Arvanites,Macedonians speak barelly his own language becousse they dont learn them at school ! only from his parents ! thanks to "democratic" policy of your country !
acording to the Helsinki Minorityes Convention ( Greece is the ONLY EU member that dont ratificated that convention) when you recognize minority you must give them all rights ( schools,media ,) and no minority in GR have that !
Wlachs in Republic of Macedonia dont ask either , but they are oficyal recognized , they have TV/Radio. schools and wlach language is oficyal in the comunity of Krushevo ! ( where more than 20 % of the people are Wlachs ) !
IN GREECE they were part of Greece and they didnt want to become minority! In Greece they also have theyr comunities (Panhellenic Vlach organization). You can study vlach language if you want in Greece! But AGAIN, these people arent PURE like in FYROM coz in Greece people live in 2 big cities!! And all are mixed, thats why theyr language is in decline, its natural case when minority is mixing with majority!!!
For almost 100 years the greek authorities used the policy to encouraged the Vlachs( Aromanians , Armâni , ) from the north and center of Greece to declare themselves as greeks in order to assimilate them. They have no national rights cause off course in Greece there are not national minorities but only folcloric and cultural minorities.
hah you are the next mad person here! Aromanians and Arvanites were STILL just minorities in Greece, majority was greek speaking people! Greece has 10 000 000 million people! In Athens live 5 000 000 and in Thessaloniki 2 000 000, its 7 millions! Those people are from many greek countries could you tell me how minority like Arvanites or Vlachs could be PURE there? Pure are maybe few old people in villages! And those people were still part of greek nation if you like it or not
Personally i dont have problem if they would to have minority rights and become minority! And many other Greeks will agree with me, but problem is that these "minorities" dont wanna it! Can you finally accept it or not???
@fukkmee, the pengiuns are also greeks
zingardoh1 2 months ago
THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS THE GREEK LANGUAGE.
THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 2 months ago
THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS
ROMANO-MONGOLS GO BACK IN MONGOLIA
unfukkkmee 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Tu crezi ca poti sa mergi? Te tarasti, vierme, tu nu mergi.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Vai de capul tau... cred ca faci istoria cu femeia de servici a facultatii.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Esti nepoliticos cu tine, nu cu mine. As putea merge atat de departe incat sa spun ca esti un propagandist pro-Slav si minti ca esti la facultatea de istorie. Notiunile tale de istorie antica si Medievala sunt egale cu zero.
Adios.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Semi-nomadismul la care faci tu referire era strict regional, Vlahii retragandu-se in munti si paduri pentru a isi prezerva cultura si sangele pur.
Tracii erau un popor de origine din Asia Mica (Zona Bizantului si toata Coasta de Vest a Anatoliei). Venirea lor in zona Balcanica a avut loc in jurul anului 2000 BC. Dupa venirea lor aici au format o cultura distincta, in urma influentelor Celtilor de la Nordul Marii Adriatice precum Boii. Romanii se trag din Troia (Traci).
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Ti-am mai spus, nu am timp si nici chef sa te invat ceva. Fi autodidact.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Soarta Turcilor din Grecia a fost decisa de Monarhia Germana a Greciei, nu de mine. Eu doar cunosc ceea ce s-a intamplat si o spun asa cum este...
Sustinerea ideii de autonomie a populatiilor din nordul Greciei este aberanta. Arvanitii vorbest Arvanitica si se considera Greci. Vlahii vorbesc Armaneste si se considera Greci. Slavii si Bulgarii vorbesc intre ei Slavona si Bulgara si sunt considerati cetateni ai Greciei Slavo/Bulgaro - foni.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Nu are rost sa sutii ceva ce nu-si doresc populatiile din zona Macedoniei antice. Tu, prin asta sustii doar ideile iredentiste ale Bulgariei si Fostei Iugoslavii, nu populatiile care traiesc in Grecia si sunt multumiti sa fie Eleni, sa invete acasa Armaneste si la scoala Greceste.
Da, ar fi minunat dar din pacate sunt indoctrinati de teoriile Titoiste din timpul comunist si au fost Slavonizati pana astazi.
Maghiarii nu sunt Sasi sau Secui. Nu au cum sa se uneasca cu ei.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Jirecek este un propagandist Austro-Ungar care incerca sa "justifice" prezenta populatiilor latinizate din zona Balcanica. Astfel s-a creeat ideea de transhumanta. Intradevar, Vlahii au pastrat vechile obiceiuri printre care pastoritul si transhumanta dar sa implici ca transhumanta se face din zona Greciei pana in Carpati si invers este stupid. Avem si noi munti acolo in Grecia, nu trebuia sa trecem Dunarea pentru transhumanta.
Chiar nu cred ca esti la facultate
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Cine esti tu sa decizi autonomia unei zone care apartine altei tari??? Cine esti tu sa decizi ca Vlahii sau alte populatii Elene sa devina minoritati in propia tara?
Asculta bine aici: Vlahii din Grecia nu sunt Maghiarii din Romania, ca sa ceara insulta de a deveni minoritate in propia tara sau o regiune autonoma. Rudele cu care am discutat desi nemultumite de conducrerea Greciei, nu doresc sa devina o minoritate in propia tara!
Vezi-ti de ale tale si lasa iredentismul.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Mai baga o fisa in legatura cu:
1. Rumelia
2. Bizantinii
3. Numele de Rum si originea
4. Originea Vlahilor (Bulgarii nici nu invadasera la momentul formarii Vlahilor)
5. Nordul Greciei a fost Latinizat inaintea Daciei.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
1. Faptul dovedeste clar iubirea de tara.
2. Faptul ca Romania adopta diverse personalitati ca fiind autohtone nu este vina mea.
3. Da, sa se duca in Turcia. Nu stiu cat de indigeni erau acei turci acolo, din moment ce Grecia de nord nu a fost locuita de Turci pana la invazia Otomana.
4. Valul de Greci anatolieni a venit ca urmare a genocidului comis de Turci asupra populatiilor Ortodoxe. Ca si OM ar trebuii sa te bucuri, ca persoana cu origini Elene ar trebuii sa te bucuri.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
La punctul doi te inseli amarnic. In timpul ocupatiei Otomane nu exista Macedonia ca si nume, exista Rumelia (taramul Latinilor) Rum = Numele Grecilor Medievali (Greco-Romani).
Ceea ce tu atribui Grecilor a fost infaptuit de Monarhia Germana a Greciei (care au incercat distrugerea si stramutarea Vlaho-Macedonenilor din Grecia)
Macedonia reala este in Grecia si daca o sa mergi acolo vei gasi multe tipuri de oameni cu culturi diferite.
FYROM are o cultura Slavonica si vise.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@RSpontic
Ce vorbesti? Am rude indepartate in Veria si stiu destul de bine ce se petrece in Grecia. Intereseaza-te cine este primarul din Salonic, o sa afli ca e un Arman(Vlah). In Grecia exista scoli in limbile respective care tin de comunitatile vorbitoare de acea limba.
Turca si gagauza nu sunt limbi indigene ale Greciei. Daca vrea cineva sa vorbeasca Turca, sa se duca in Turcia.
Si eu consider ca Grecia ar trebuii sa faca mai mult pentru prezervarea culturilor respective.
shockolanu 2 months ago
@JANDAR69
Stop spreading lies about other people, Bulgarian!
Basil II was Vlach = Medieval Greek
shockolanu 3 months ago
@DacianSwordsmith
Vasil II , yes is Vlach . Although he is not greek by blood ....
Honestly man you seem like a nice bloke but have you spoken to a Vach ?? also you know they have their own Language (Vlashki ) just like us Macedonians that still speak Macedonian in north Greece even thoe it's OUTLAWED IN GREECE TO SPEAK MACEDONIAN AS OF 1930s. Othere than that you also should know back in the 1920s domanant language in Athens was ALBANIAN & they had there own news paper back then.!
JANDAR69 3 months ago
THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 3 months ago
poor gays! lern history! i think you are 1 or 2 class ! i am sorry for you! go to school !
garmastean 2 months ago
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DEATH TO PANslavism.
THE '' Macedonia'' IS NOT ''country ''
THE ''Macedonian'' IS NOT '' ethnic''
THE '' Macedonian'' IS NOT '' nation''. THE MACEDONIA IS PROVIMCE OF GREECE.
THE MACEDONIANS IS GREEK TRIBE.
THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS, THE GREEK LANGUAGE.
THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK PEOPLE.
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@DacianSwordsmith
And in respect to the fact that no Greek can speak for you... I suggest you look up Mihai Viteazu's ancestry... he was half Greek by mother.
shockolanu 3 months ago
@DacianSwordsmith
Vorbeste fratie Romaneste :)
You are right, but except for Thracians, there were other populations in the Balkans too. The Macedo-Romanians descend from the Latinised Macedonians. And you shouldn't make any difference between Dacians, Getae and Thracians, as they were the same people (Thracians).
Funny thing, I'm half Vlach and I consider ourselves to be more Greek than the Greeks themselves. The Vlachs gave the Byzantine Empire a wonderful dynasty. Look it up.
shockolanu 3 months ago
@shockolanu
YOUR HALF VLACH & YOU CONSIDER YOUR SELF GREEK ?? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU MATE ??
GREECE IS NOT A NATIONALITY !!! IS JUGOSLAVIA A NATIONALITY ?? NO !!!! GREECE IS THE SAME AS JUGOSLAVIJA & BULGARIA THE SAME !!! COUNTRIES MADE UP AFTER WWII !! UNDERSTAND ??
TO BE CALLED A GREEK IS TO BE A GYPSY .. NOTE: GREECE IS A JEWISH STATE !! THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW THIS , WHAT ABOUT YOU ? I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU MAN AS A VLACH YOU SHAMED YOUR PEOPLE , MORE VLACH LIVE IN MK THAN gK
JANDAR69 3 months ago
@JANDAR69 Vlach means Greek with Latin dialect. Basil II was Vlach too and he was Emperor of the Hellenic Empire.
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THE Macedonian IS NOT nation.
THE Macedonia IS NOT Country.
MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 6 months ago
@unfukkkmee ESTI DUS CU PLUTA!
garmastean 3 months ago
DEATH TO PANslavism.
THE '' Macedonia'' IS NOT ''country ''
THE ''Macedonian'' IS NOT '' ethnic''
THE '' Macedonian'' IS NOT '' nation''
@mupsen123 THE MACEDONIA IS PROVIMCE OF GREECE. THE MACEDONIANS IS GREEK TRIBE. THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS, THE GREEK LANGUAGE. THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK PEOPLE.
@garmastean SHUT UP ROMANOMNGOL
unfukkkmee 3 months ago
@unfukkkmee
HERE YOU ARE AGAIN DOPEY !!!\
PROVINCE , DO YOU KNOW HWAT IT MEANS ????
PROVINCE = BORROWED OR STOLEN LAND ..
MACEDONIANS ARE THE GREATER POPULATION OF ANCIENT PEOPELS SO HOW DID YOU COME TO BELIVE THAT SUCH A SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT NEVER HAD A NAME CAN MAKE CLAIM TO THE MACEDONIANS ??? WAKE UP YOU IDIOT GREECE IS AS OF 1820 ,,,,,, HAVE A LOOK ATR SOME MAP BEFORE 1912 & YOU'LL SEE HOW SMALL IS TODAYS GREECE & WHAT IS MACEDONIA !!!! YO ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO SENCE !
JANDAR69 3 months ago
@unfukkkmee
DOOPY THERE NEVER WAS A GREEK ;LANGUAGE UPUNTILL 1930 !! IT IS CALLED MODERN GREEK BASED ON THE ATHENIAN DIALECT !!!!
KOINE IS THE ANCIENT WRITTEN LANGUAGE OF THE CHURCH JUST LIKE WE HAVE LATIN YOU IDIOT !!! THE LOCAL LANGUAGE SPOKEN AT THAT TIME IS MACEDONIAN !! UNDERSTAND ?? SPARTANS,ATHENIANS & OTHERS NEVER SPOKE ONE LANGUAGE LIKE TODAYS ATHENIAN GREEK !! WAKE UP !! MACEDONIANS OUT NUMBER ATHENIANS & SPARTANS PUT TOGETHER YOU FOOL !! MACEDONIANS ARE SAYING FUCK OFF !
JANDAR69 3 months ago
ROMANIANS ARE SLAVS, AND NOTHING MORE.
LISTEN NOW
@garmastean THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 3 months ago
XF0071 Vlachs have traco-illirian substratum.
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@unfukkkmee hahaaha yes yes all world is greek :DDDD maybe kenyans also greek people lol you are typical stupid gayreek monkey. lets forget to this stupid gayreek... Vlachs are latinic people live in balkan area.. bye
CcCTuranismCcC 6 months ago
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THE GREEKS ARE MOST SMARTEST PERSONS EVER.
THE HUMANITY HAVE CREATED FROM GREEK OLYMPIANS, AFTER FROM ORDER OF JESUS.
ALL LANGUAGES AND ALL SCIENES HAVE CREATED FROM GREEK SCIENTISTS
@CcCTuranismCcC RETARD ASS SLAVOMONGOLIAN MONSTER HERPETOID GO BACK IN TARTARS GYPSY ASSHOLE SLAVO-REPTILIAN
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unfukkkmee 8 months ago
minunata melodie!....... salutari din maramures!
sestoris 9 months ago
I'M FASCINATED OF THIS VIDEO (THE SONG AND THIS VERY GOOD PERFORMANCE). BUT I DIDN'T FIND SOME OTHER VIDEOS WHICH CORRESPONDING WITH THIS ONE, AND I'M STILL SEARCHING FOR IT. IS THERE SONEONE THAT CAN PASS ME ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL VIDEO? WHO ARE THE BAND? WHERE I CAN FIND MROE MUSIC OF THEM? IS IT FROM SOME FILM? THE MEANING OF TEXT, ETC. PLEASE...THANKS.
roshel18 9 months ago
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roshel18 9 months ago
Greek is not a nation.
Greek is a diagnosis.
Isihastot 11 months ago
Tutu haraua s-aiba-n casa atselu tsi limba nu shi-alasa !
MultiYotta 1 year ago
macedonia IS NOT COUNTRY
macedonia IS NOT NATION
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee YOU ARE NOT HUMAN U ARE GREEK FAGGOT !
ifkasa 1 year ago
@ifkasa THE GREEK CREATED EVERYTHING OF HUMANITY AFTER THE GOD. SLAVS IS BUNCH MONGOLO-TARTARS MIXED RACE BY CHERBOBYL
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS AND ONLY GREEKS THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS AND ONLY GREEKS
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee Greeks say Vlahs to Romanians from acient time
grasuX007 8 months ago
@grasuX007 STOP THE TERRORIST PROPAGANDA against GREEKS VLACH IS GREEK WORD THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS
THE ROMANIA IS GREEK WORD
unfukkkmee 8 months ago
@grasuX007 how many class you hahe? 1, porhapse 2.
garmastean 3 months ago
@garmastean 9 ca ala care a spart codurile de la nasa
grasuX007 3 months ago
@unfukkkmee Vlahs are not Greeks,maybe Greeks are Vlahs
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THE VLACHS ARE PURE GREEKS
@grasuX007 DIE ROMANI SCUMS
unfukkkmee 8 months ago
This are the supra-humans!
IstorieAdevarataX 1 year ago
Aromanians today are called 'CHOBANI' because that's what they are. Sheep and goat keepers . Theories about roman origin are ridiculous. :)))
paulmccold1 1 year ago
@paulmccold1 fuck ur sister ur mother anyone u have in ur family,u cock sucker pussy licker mother fucker,fuck evrytone u have in hart!!!!!!!!!!!
MegaShqipetar 1 year ago
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Aromanians today are called 'CHOBANI' because that's what they are. Sheep and goat keepers . Theories about roman origin is ridiculous. :)))
paulmccold1 1 year ago
Aromanians today are called 'CHOBANI' because that's what they are. Sheep and goat keepers . Theories about roman origin is ridiculous. :)))
paulmccold1 1 year ago
Vlachs = the real thracians . About tesaly because people below me talk about this . The statistics show that in 1913 1/2 of tesaly's population was vlach . It was even a state named Great Valachia in tessaly , a land which according to ancient greek sources was rather thracian than greek .
IstorieAdevarataX 2 years ago
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I really don't get it now... I always knew about the existence of these people, I always knew, that today's Romanians are very closely related to Albanians, Slavs and Romans. I always thought they have a nice history, but then, why on earth do they still hang on so tight to their Carpathian origins? Just doesn't makes any sense... I think their ACTUAL history is much nicer, and Aromanian people are kind and loving...
Elachus 2 years ago
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The Hungarians have always claimed that Romanians come from South of the Danube which is partially true. But what is also a fact is that Romanians were the natives in the Carpathian region too. Even extending to the Pannonia plains and the Tatra mountains. To counter the Hungarian lobby , Transsylvanian Ro nationalists ignored the Southern Romanian ethnicity. Later on they were almost abandoned for the sake of friendship with the Balkan royal families.
ADiamandi 2 years ago
@ADiamandi fuck off losser
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Elachus 2 years ago
Ok for all idiots here just few examples:
1, Greeks of Southern Italy-in 19th century there kived many Greeks in Calabria and Sicily, today majority of them are assimilated and dont speak greek wven if they speak they dont feel as Greeks but as Italians! But GREECE doesnt care about it! Greece doesnt think its something wrong!
2, There are many Italians in Croatia and Slovenia in who became assimilated, but Italy doesnt make problems with it.
THESE PROBLEMS CAN BE JUST IN BALKANS! SHAME!!!!!!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
forgot to add 2 questions: these good ensamble what their name? and what are the lyrics?
thanks again.
roshel18 2 years ago
But what about this wohderful song? i guess, dear people, that in your opinion it is not the "point", isn't it so? anyway, i love this simple, concentrate and calm tune, sung in silence and has restrained enrgy in it.
Could anyone. please, tell me where it's posible to get it? on some disc, or such...?
thanks in advance.
roshel18 2 years ago
i hate when people like melkarth say bullshit that vlachs don`t want to be minority and they want be assimilated by greek...i have relatives who ran out of greece.they say they are afraid of saying they are armani.nice job greek government
ledendarya 2 years ago
Daca ai fi citit cu atentie ce am scris in engleza ai fi vazut ca exact acest lucru il sustineam si eu ca autoritatile grecesti au facut o treaba excelenta in activitatea de asimilare si deznationalizare a armânilor de pe teritoriul lor. Am o gramada de rude la Cogealac(Constanta) si mergeam acolo in fiecare vacanta de vara si am vorbit de mai multe ori cu armâni veniti in vizita din Grecia .
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Tin minte odata ca am vorbit cu doi batrinei cam la 50-55 ani , sot si sotie veniti cu o delegatie din Aminciu si ei spuneau ca sint Vlahi Eleni. Chestia asta este exact doctrina greceasca ca armânii ar fi de fapt greci care vorbesc un dialect vlah , romanizat adica nu sint armâni pur si simplu ci armanji vlahophonji .Ori eu stiu ca orice armân nu se considera nici grec nici bulgar ci in primul rind armân - armânlu easti armân
melkarth2000 2 years ago
greek authorities never try to assimilate vlachs, they wanted only to kill their identity and their spirit, wonder why?
ledendarya 2 years ago
That's why the first major Technical School of Athens was founded by Vlachs in 1836 and is called until today "Metsovio" named after Metsovo, the vlach town. And that's why the majority of the donnators of the greek state in 19th century were Vlachs: Zappas, Averof, Tositsas, Sinas etc.
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soisodoeht 2 years ago
Hello... shake your head and then speak!
soisodoeht 2 years ago
And that's why the capital of Greece is full of roads named after Vlach benefactors. And that's why Kolettis(1834-1835,1844-1847), Papagos (1952-1955) etc. were prime ministers of Greece. And that's why our national Enlighter, Rigas Feraios, was Aromanian.
soisodoeht 2 years ago
As for greeks and Aromanians ( latin Macedonians) the rapport showed that were practically equal in number , around 1500 000 each with a little superiority for the greeks but the difference was very little. So now after more then 100 years were are those 1 500 000 aromanians or at least the part of them that fall under greek rule in 1913 ? But they suppose to be more then that now. In a civilised country minorities dont just dissapear like that !
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Tu mi hai detto che gli Aromaniani in Grecia erano 1 500 000 che e un numero di cazo imposibille! Per la Macedonia (tutta la provincia ottomana) comme la maggiorita erano gli Slavi, doppo Greci, Turchi, Ebrei che in lultima cosa Aromani! In tutta la Grecia di oggi sono circa 300 000 uomini chi sonno discendenti dei Aromani! Non piu! E quelli sono predominalmente dal regione di Tesalia centrale (Pindus). Doppo sono circa 400 000 Arvaniti dal origine e circa 60 000 Slavi.
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
NE un millione dei Greci non avevano origine arvanito o aromano o slavo! E quasi tutti non sono puri! In la Macedonia greca non hanno restatto molti Slavi, in la Macedonia di nord vivano Greci Ponti.
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
I see you didnt understand well what i have said. The number i give you ( around 1 500 000 Aromâni) was around 1880-1890 . Since then 50 000 imigrated to România after the balcanic war from 1913 , and many others imigrated to other countries from Balkans ( Serbia , Bulgaria) and Europe , and also many Aromâni imigrated to USA and also many were assimilated linguistically trough the greek schools This is how now the greek authorities say that there are only 300 000 of aromanians in Greece.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
I understood you. 1 500 000 Arumunians its wrong number!Its not possible, because they were still linguistic minority in all parts of Greece (mainly Thesalia). 300 000 Aromanians in Greece are total number of people who in Greece have aromanian origin its good number! Many of them dont speak aromanian but this number shows just origin! Its true because they were lkinguistic minority and majority in all parts of Greece were greek speking people (just for macedonia slavic peopel)
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
Aromanians were never "latin". Don't insult them. "Latins" are people of the West. They always have been Romans(their name is Aromanians not Alatins), heirs to the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) speaking a latin-based dialect.
soisodoeht 2 years ago
The rest of the modern Greeks are ethnically the same thing: Romans (their name is Romioi), heirs to the Eastern Roman Empire speaking greek-based dialects. That's why there is only one minority in Greece, the muslim one.
soisodoeht 2 years ago
@soisodoeht
Greece has European looking people, mostly of Vlach, Albanian and Slav origin and many people with darker skin looking Egipitian like. This and music, food point out that maybe the Danaan theory of original Greeks beeing Egyptians is true.
ADiamandi 2 years ago
@ADiamandi that is because a large population of "greece" is not of greek origin. A large percentage of "greeks" are of Albanian, Vlach and Macedonian decent. The darker more egyptian looking people are found in the southern part, south of Aegean Macedonia and Epirus are the true greeks.
gajda1984 1 year ago
@ADiamandi vlach from egyps,,u dident have ur medicine 2day,,fuck you and egypt
MegaShqipetar 1 year ago
The prime minister of education of the Kingdom of România was sent in 1880 by the king Carol in Macedonia who that time was a turkish province, to prepare an rapport about the ethnic structure of the region. The minister has stay in the province for a couple of months and his final rapport showed that in the north of the geographic region of Macedonia ( that now is the Republic of Macedonia) the slavic Macedoniens were majoritary.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
The greek authorities should've protect them this long time and not try to assimilate them !!! Now is maybe to late.You told me this numbers ? Informe yourself better and dont present me the numbers and procents now , see the demographic structure of Macedonia at 1850 or 1880 and you would see that then were a lot of Macedoniens and around 1500.000 of Aromanians in Macedonia. And by Macedonia i mean the hole region including the actual republic and the north of Greece.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
For so long your authorities make such grat efforts to convince them that they have to be greeks that is good for them to became greeks and not keep their national identity as Albanians , Macedoniens , Aromanians (Vlachs) etc and now you say to me as an argument that they dont want to have national rights?? ? Off course that they dont want , they are acostumed to declare themselfs as greeks !
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Yes you're right the Albanians , Aromanians and Slavic Macedoniens from Greece ar not ethnically pure anymore cause they are assimilated by the greeks. After 50 or 60 years of efforts made bu the greek authorities to assimilate them everybody can understand why they themselfs dont want to be seen as national minorities now Cause for so long being a part of those nations has mean being a second-class citizen in the greek society.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Anyway i hope that Aromanians from Macedonia ( FYROM or Greece) and Albania would manage to obtain some national rights in the future .
S'bâneadză armânamea sh daima s'nu cheară !
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Aromanians in Republic of Macedonia ( not Fyrom) enyou all national rights , they have schools,media, folk festival , they are mentioned in MK Constitution and aromani language is oficial in Krushevo where more than 20 % are Wlachs !
BERZITI 2 years ago
Arommanians in Macedonia are our brothers in Christ and arms ! they allways fight together with us in all uprissings and wars against Turks,Germans and other enemies ! thats way they are highly respected and they deserved all that rights , same like us !
BERZITI 2 years ago
In Greece situation was that all people migrated to two big cities, Athens and Thessaloniki. And Aromanians and Arvanites as a minority mixed there with Greek speaking majority. About Macedonia, yes its true Greeks were minority there befour 1923, there lived mainly Slavs, but after exchange with Bulgaria and civil war majority of these Slavs left this region and there came Greeks from Anatolia, mainly from Pontus. If there was assimilation it was natural assimilation and mixing coz urbanization
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
This kind of irresponsible politics create the present situation when are many Aromanians in Greece that are barely able to spoke their own language cause for the majority of the time they use greek language.This is how this kind of incredible situation apperead: the vlachs themselves refused to have public instruction in their own language . BUt the greeks are for blame for this for so long they say that the Vlachs are only romanised greeks and thet vlach language is only oral and not writte.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
wel, I now al that my Romanian friend , and not only the Wlachs in Greece are with out human rights ! !Macedonins,Turks,Pomaks,Gypsies,Arvanites(Albanians), nobody have rights there , nobody is recognized ! and Greece is only EU member that dont sign Helsinki Convention for human rights !
BERZITI 2 years ago
Yeah is incredible how Greece can be accepted as a member with full rights of the EU and not respect the at least the basic national rights for his minorities. They even dont recognised them as national minorities wich is incredible for the year 2009 ! Other countries (România for example) were very much conditioned for join the union to respect a high standard of protection regarding national minorities. And other countries like Greece and even Bulgaria have practicaly no problem with that.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
Melkarth
When Greece was accepted to the Union, the minority issue was not an issue.
It Greece wanted to join the Union today, she wouldn't be accepted because the acquis (the legislative package that any aspiring nation must accept) contains now provisions regarding ethnic minorities.
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@adinaandmarius UR SICKEST BRAIN, STOP THE ULTIMATE PROPAGANDA Against THE GREEKS. THE VLACHS ARE GREEKS. THE ILLYRIANS ARE GREEKS.
THRACIANS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 6 months ago
koja morbidna atmosvera a i pesnava e pomorbidna ....hahahahahahahah
BUBUKOJOT 2 years ago
Poate cineva sa afiseze vesurile in dialectul aroman, va rog?
Cantecul este splendid, tandru, liric si duios.
Romanisipunctum 2 years ago
ai aflat textul?
daca da il vreau si eu te rog :)
am intilnit din intimplare cultura si musica aromaina si nu mai pot scapa de ea (dependenta 100% :)
UM01171 2 years ago
Nu mi-a trimis inca nimeni textul.
Dar cantecul este de o duiosenie spectaculara.
Romanisipunctum 2 years ago
ama , voi nu lu vidzutu pi Hrista Lupci cu Aromonica candu cantalu tu '80 ;))
georgikamakedonu 2 years ago
Bravo frati romani!
Tot inainte cu succes!
Va iubim!
Romanisipunctum 2 years ago
good job boys Krusevo 903ta band .Macedonia Timeless.
KingMacedon 2 years ago
Ти бе татар еден, усте газот со кочанка си го бришиш, па ќе кажавш за Власите.
Власите се најградски и најцивилизирани луѓе, од времето на Александар Македонски
kikbt 2 years ago
are you some kind of neo-nazi of hunic-asian origin? life bothers you that much?
ma perche non siete rimasti voi nella bella Asia Centrale?? ti manca una vita a te.. non trovi lavorare niente?
Epiriotis 3 years ago
tiharau!!!
dinamo1111 3 years ago
s`baneadza mushata melodii
nexusgdnplm 3 years ago
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greek vlachs
veriaman 3 years ago
do you also have Greek Greeks in Greece? What do they look like?
This is filmed in FYROM, which is way more democratic than Greece.
ADiamandi 3 years ago
well said! s-baneadza armanamea!
cristixav 3 years ago
very good Diamandi
4x4arcoatari 3 years ago
this is filmed in REPUBLIC of MACEDONIA , not in Fyrom, ! and YES, we are 500 % more democratic than Greece !
BERZITI 2 years ago
and 500% poor state, without money bravo for that, so thats a democracy!!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
HEY RETARD, you think that if you have "more" money that automaticly have more democracy !!!??? stupid fool !
if you are democratic , whay Greece dont recognized Wlachs,Macedonians,Turks,Arvanites and other minoryties !!!???
democracy was born in old Greece, but is dead in this new one , thats for sure !
BERZITI 2 years ago
Greeks doesnt recognize minorities coz there arent! Vlach and Arvanites DIDNT want to be minority, they had been asked about IT! And Turks are minority in Greece! Poor state in Europe could be just lazy and wild barbarian nation like Skopians and Albanians thats true! Greece is part of EU and thatswhy there could be antidemocratic actions! P.S. about ancient Greeks, Aristoteles said: Democracy is just bad form of good form politea!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
O YEAH !!!??? Greeece ask them , and they say NO , we dont want own rights !!!??? we dont want schools in own language , NOTHING ! HA,HA , and you espxt that somebody wil believe that bullshit ???
Turks are not recognized ! Greece recognized only MUSLIM minority , not Turks ! and MUSLIM is faith , not a nation , you stupid fuck !
BERZITI 2 years ago
you are really idiot what have you benn studied?? or there in FYROM there arent schools?? who is Muslim for Greeks? TURKS! Muslim COULDNT be Greek! Greek muslims speak turkish, they arent Greeks! Show me just one Arvanite or Vlach from Greece just here in youtube how does he feel himself!! Try to find one and ask him and you will see the answer and than write me ok? And im fucking about your opinion if dou you belive it or no! you arent part of Europe and never will be!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
P.S. in FYROM ancient Macedonians never lived. there were Paionians and Thracians so how could be you relative to peoples who never settled there? haha idiot
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
stupid arab neo/greek , not only Turks are muslim in Greece ! what about bulgarian muhamedans Pomaks in the Greek part of Trakia !!!??? you dont recognized a FAITH, but NATION !
BERZITI 2 years ago
yes Pomaks and Turks both arent Greeks so what do you want to try? And many Vlachs and Arvanites could speak theyr language, but Arvanites or Vlachs arent pure. Great majority of them live in cities where they mixed with Greeks, so the people of Greece live in cities and they all are mixed with other people from other part of Greece.
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
For example in Attica in 1923 there lived maybe 100 000 Arvanites, and much more Greeks who came there after 1830 mainly from islands, then autochtonous attic Greeks (Athenians, Megarians, Oropians, Vlikians) and Sarakatsani Greeks who came there in 18-19th century from Agrafa. in same year (1923) to Attica came about 400 000 Greeks from Anatolia. So you can see how mixed was this teritorry and later 1923-present millions people live there! There couldnt be many pure people by region!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
Wlachs ,Arvanites,Macedonians speak barelly his own language becousse they dont learn them at school ! only from his parents ! thanks to "democratic" policy of your country !
BERZITI 2 years ago
acording to the Helsinki Minorityes Convention ( Greece is the ONLY EU member that dont ratificated that convention) when you recognize minority you must give them all rights ( schools,media ,) and no minority in GR have that !
BERZITI 2 years ago
Wlachs in Republic of Macedonia dont ask either , but they are oficyal recognized , they have TV/Radio. schools and wlach language is oficyal in the comunity of Krushevo ! ( where more than 20 % of the people are Wlachs ) !
BERZITI 2 years ago
IN GREECE they were part of Greece and they didnt want to become minority! In Greece they also have theyr comunities (Panhellenic Vlach organization). You can study vlach language if you want in Greece! But AGAIN, these people arent PURE like in FYROM coz in Greece people live in 2 big cities!! And all are mixed, thats why theyr language is in decline, its natural case when minority is mixing with majority!!!
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
For almost 100 years the greek authorities used the policy to encouraged the Vlachs( Aromanians , Armâni , ) from the north and center of Greece to declare themselves as greeks in order to assimilate them. They have no national rights cause off course in Greece there are not national minorities but only folcloric and cultural minorities.
melkarth2000 2 years ago
hah you are the next mad person here! Aromanians and Arvanites were STILL just minorities in Greece, majority was greek speaking people! Greece has 10 000 000 million people! In Athens live 5 000 000 and in Thessaloniki 2 000 000, its 7 millions! Those people are from many greek countries could you tell me how minority like Arvanites or Vlachs could be PURE there? Pure are maybe few old people in villages! And those people were still part of greek nation if you like it or not
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
Personally i dont have problem if they would to have minority rights and become minority! And many other Greeks will agree with me, but problem is that these "minorities" dont wanna it! Can you finally accept it or not???
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
mushat.. S'baneadza armanamea di iutsido !!!
armanu2008 3 years ago 6
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ADiamandi 3 years ago
10x frate multu mușat cîntic.anklinăciuni dit Romănia
dincarmanlu 3 years ago 2