@ShinNytRain - I'm a Thai fighter first then a MMA practitioner next. I use MMA to fill my training gaps. This guy reminds me a clip I saw:
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I can't believe you people think this shit actually works. Over the past few years I have dropped a few Wing Nuts in class. They come out saying "my trainer was taught by Bruce Lee's student", or "My lineage is _", the classic is "I have a black belt"
Then sparring begins, I punch 'em in the face and they hit the floor.
@iApna You make it obvious that you don't know exactly what martial arts/gong-fu is. There is no such thing as "the best style", It always comes down the individuals training and knowledge. My sifu always taught me that a real martial artist is one that shows respect for other styles by working harder than their masters. It will always be something much deeper than sparring and lifting weights.
@ShinNytRain - LOL - I train specifically to be a better fighter. Sure I agree there is no best style, but there are better ways to train. If it comes down to the individual like you say it does, then the individual should not put faith into his instructors teachings and should question it. If you decide to only train in Wing Chun and face a grappler who will throw you head first into cement, then who is to blame? The individual of course for putting faith into his instructors teachings.
@ShinNytRain - Whats interesting is, you said it comes down to the fighter. But Ramon Dekkers a world renowned Muay-Thai legend. This guy is vicious, his technique were flawless, he was awarded the first foreign fighter of the year award. He eventually faced an MMA fighter with half or less experience and lost in a few minutes without the other guy even breaking a sweat. Was it the fighter, the art/style, his instructor? Think about it.
@ShinNytRain - Cont' - Clearly Ramon did not have any knowledge of how to fight grapplers. He never faced one before so how would he have known? How much better of a Thai fighter could have Ramon become to face a grappler? Would another 10 years of Thai training help? Probably not and he would be an old man by then. So its not just the fighter, but also his instructor and Style (or better put how you train to fight).
@ShinNytRain - Cont' Again - So I might not be a "martial-artist" in the traditional sense. But I clearly understand the difference between learning to "Fight" vs. learning a "style". Learning a style is quite useless if you have not been trained to fight. If your trainer doesn't have at least 50 fights under his belts and half being against "real" pros fighters, then your instructor cannot teach you to fight. Unless of course he is backed up by others who do fight actively.
@iApna I completely agree with the instructor being at fault. But you also have to look at the styles. While I still stick with my stance of "No style is better" the deciding factor will be the TYPE. Like you said, You train in Muay thai, Muay thai was my first style, It was my intro to the world of Martial arts, and the main thing I learned from it is all the elbows/knees in MMA has nothing to do with the style, and what they show you in modern schools isn't even 5% of all muay thai.
@iApna -cont- You have to trace back centuries of war combat, Muay boran, Muay maa yang, Paak esaan, etc, to see that muay thai isn't being used to its potential. You can see the same in karate, most styles are bastardized into sports or health. Like if you put a BJJ Black belt in the same match with master of penchak silat who has trained for war you'll get very bloody results. My point is that usually the fault falls with the student for picking that specific instructor....
@iApna -cont- You can't go to a muay thai school in the states to learn the deadly arts of war, because they'll usually end up teaching you the bastardized sports version(Or as they call it here "Cardio kickboxing"). So my thing is the students who use their instructors names or that one style for an ego boost will never use their true potential(If they have any)
@ShinNytRain - I am very aware that MMA clubs do not teach authentic Thai, which is why I train in both. But there is a good reason for it. Both my Thai and MMA club teach deadly techniques. But they are reserved for senior students who can exhibit control and discipline. If a student can't spar without control no matter the situation then he cannot be trained to maintain control when deciding the fate of someone's life.
@ShinNytRain - Cont' There are some really good Thai instructors in the states. You can't pretend to know them all that would be impossible. But instructors such as Coban and Ajarn Surachai Sirisute come to mind. Also many of the techniques learned in grappling whether ground fighting or standing are designed to break your opponents. But being that we practice in class and in competition we have no intent of doing that. On street why not just knock someone out unconscious and have your way.
@ShinNytRain - So to claim that Thai schools or MMA don't teach the deadly art of war isn't correct. Perhaps you haven't earned the right or cannot understand what you are learning or the applications for what you're learning. You said "Thai" was your first are you tried. You learned elbows and knees. You can learn elbows/knees from many arts. Question is did you learn to apply them in real combat and truly understand the weapons capabilities? Technique means nothing without learning to fight.
@ShinNytRain - What I learned from Muay-Thai was far greater than some Thai techniques. I was trained to understand the use my weapons and the art of fighting. Ex. This week, I sparred a junior/intermediate practitioner. I let him punch me in the face, body, kick my legs dozes of times, before I answered. When I did answer I hit him 3x and he was running. I gave him the confidence and illusion that he can take me, just so I can draw him close, enough to land solid strikes without effort.
I have meet sifu Maday and sifu Wan Kam Leung and train themes styles. I just dont want to say anything bad about any one. I just can say that sifu Wan Kam Leung is amazing nad real master i`m happy that i have pleasure to meet him :)
this is very different to demos of biu jee i've seen previously but what must be remembered is wing chun is about concepts not techniques.this is obviously grandmaster Wans' way of showing his interpretation of the biu jee concepts.he was a senior student of wong shun leung and took part in beimo himself,i believe,and also has practical experience of applying wing chun principles.people just need to be open minded and accept the evolution of a style so long as the core pricinples remain the same
If you think Biu Jee is something that your own Sifu says it is,you're wrong. Many masters developed their forms according to their own experience. This man is one of the greatest masters of Wing Chun in the World. He was given respect by Wong Shun Leung himself,who stated Wan Kam Leung has evolved the art. You see the form different then your own,but you havent seen the application and yet you judge? Shame on you,disrespectful lot who dare to say what IS or what ISNT Wing Chun.
Second worst Biu Ji I ever seen, stance is so wide, he's asking for a front kick to the family jewels. Why is it that these so called Masters all seem to have sloppy technique so bad that I would have been corrected for many times, usually with a fist in my face or a kick to my groin to show me where I was open.
you call wan kam leung a `so called master` his new adapted style was signed off by wong shun leung himself..are you saying he gave him this athority for fun?? Every top name in world wing chun knows exactly what his style is all about. This guy is the real deal & u will see if you ever had the honor to be trained by him..p.s. check out his qigong clip here on youtube, your kick in the family jewels comment means nothing!!
You've no idea what you're talking about. Show us your own form then,so we can judge accordingly. Wan Kam Leung is meastro of martial arts,one of a kind. Wong Shun Leung himself allowed him to develop the art as he sees fit.
Think before stating ignorant things,it will do you good in life.
@auntygomez That is too hard to explain in detail here, but every technique has many different uses depending on the situation. The forms are like a living text book, arranged in a fluid way so the techniques flow from one to another. When actually applying them however, you don't have to use them in the order they appear in within the forms, you can use any technique from any form in any order you choose. Hope that helps!
you can see master Wong in master Wan, very very good bui jee people like this should be respected, watched... no.. studied sick of all cereal box wing-chun people who criticise what they neither know or understand....watch + learn
I think this style is very good and probably the closes we will get to ng mu style or the original system of simplysity of movement whipping cutting percing twisting and entangling floating sinking etc master tthankyou for teaching us. How to do it another family style
His biu jee seems pretty solid. Movements are a little wider compared to other style but I can see its practicality. He's trying to cover more areas of his body which is good. Sometimes a little more movement can actually help rather than limiting yourself to small movements. And his coverage of the 3 elbow strikes is a good idea. His lap sau pull is more realistic than the traditional version. He does have power, in fact he demonstrates quite a lot of it. Its very subtle but its still there.
@synkronyk When you look at his turning, his stability, when he turn on heels as we can see in video, is not ... stable. It is not about which system it is, it should me functional at the first place, that we can talk about roots and branches of Wing/Ving Tsun/Chun..
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@ozzie1246: I agree with you, that very unstable stance, unfinished movements, many pointless and wasteful movements.. i cant believe my eyes. If he is Si-Fu, why he demonstrates this form so carelessly? I dont get it, why are people doing it?
@Samwisewt You don't know what you're talking about either. Read my reply to your mate ozzie. To get an idea of how these techniques are applied watch Wan Si-Fu's other vids or pay him a visit sometime.
@ozzie1246 Why? Because he is not throwing all his weight over the rear leg and leaning backwards with his arms out-streached like a zombie! Watch Wan Si-Fu's other videos to see this in action, the people he is flipping around like rag dolls are some of the top Wing Chun and Wing Tsun Sifu's from Europe and Australia. As jay5354369 said, pay him a visit sometime, he'll change your mind.
@gragrn Not at all. I have a problem with 90% of his movements because they have absolutely no ging (last minute energy), which is the underlying principal behind this form. Biu Gee should be very tiring. The movements are also all very sloppy with no intent behind them. Some are even downright incorrect. For example his Kop Jarn (overhead elbow) comes in at the wrong angle. It is sort of a half Pie - half Kop Jarn.
@ozzie1246 You think you know more than Sigung Wong Shun Leung's top student who has spent fifty years refining his Wing Chun? Did you notice he does three different elbow strikes, not the same one repeated three times like you do! What you call sloppy is relaxation, not the robotic stiff arm crap you do and I used to do before I discovered the difference. Ignorance is bliss, keep doing what you're doing!
@ozzie1246 No, what you're used to seeing is very poor. This man has great gungfu, actually one of the most obvious examples of real gungfu that I've seen online.
Grand Master Wan Kam Leung was my Sifu when i lived in Hong Kong in 1998. He is a living legend.
He was Wong Shun Leungs 1st & eventually most Senior student ! That says it all ,if you dont know anything about either of these two men, then you still got alot to learn about Wing Chun....
This guy has amazing power and his Wing Chun is ass kicking, believe me. I have practised Kempo, boxing, Muay Thai & had my fair share off street fights, GM Wan Kam Leung is the real deal.
bhibatsu, Well not always, depending on the situation. Sometimes you become great and sometimes you become a victim by going your own way. When Moses separated the red sea, everyone was heading to the opposite shore and if you chose to stay in the same place, going back or going a different direction, you would be a victim of drowning. There are very few things that are absolute in this world. One has to consider the exception and the other possibilities before making the decision to change.
Recently, 2006 world champion Chinese calligraphy master explained to me the etymology of the Chinese word for "greatness", 偉. He explained it is a "man" who while all the masses go in 1 direction, he can break out and go in the opposite, or different direction. Only great men can be trailblazers. The mass of peasants can only follow that trail.
einsiedler, he is not checking his footwork, he is looking down to see if he is still in that circle on the ground. I am sure he doesn't do that when practice at his residence. There is no need to.
Thank you. How true it is to own Wing Chun rather than being owned by Wing Chun. One must retain and utilize what is suitable for him to use in the set and delete that which are of no benefit to him.
chaseleeUK, thank you very much for the info. I am not a practitioner of the Mantis system. It seems like this movement is very practical and useful. I think I also will adopt it for my own use. Instead of seizing and pulling someone's arm and then hit. Looks like it also can be used to just cut and block someone's upper cut and then strike the rib or the stomach area. Am I right?
He looks like a doctor with his martial art skill so excellent that practically no one can beat him. He is one of the best in Hong Kong just like his teacher, the legendary wong Shun Leung, whom I truly respected and admired from the bottom of my heart.
Even though I am an expert in wing chun, but I have a question of his version. Right after the fut sou is the soak sou. Can anyone enlighten me the application of the "sock sou"? See we do not have this movement in our version. Many thanks
Sifu Wan modified Biu Jee form a bit, and he called his school as practical wing chun as opposite to the classic clan. Sifu Wan is very famous, he teaches the special unit in the Hong Kong police force, and his own sifu is the seehing of Bruce Lee.
This master has learnt Chow Gar Mantis and combined it into his WingChun, the "sock sau" and a few other techniques come from mantis. Sock Sau is used to seize and pull someone's arm, its a typical technique found in hakka systems.
Im in the leung ting system, and they way were explained through movements of our forms, we understand every technique we are shown in the form. My instructor is a 5th level master, and I've never had trouble understanding his instructions, nor have they ever failed me!
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I train under Sifu Sergio (9th level grand master) (highest there is) he completed all forms from all grandmasters on the world and combined them to one. he is the only man in the world who knows every style (even the secret ones) of wing chun, wing tjun and all other wing ....
Haloxcheats,that is the dumbest thing I've heard. While its nice to know that Mr. Sergio has studied a few versions of Wing Chun,it's completely irrelevant that he's a 9th level GRANDmaster. Highest level of Grandmaster-ism there is? Says who? He runs his own association, he can call himself the Master of Almightiness for all he cares. I swear you'll get your butt kicked if you go around telling people you train under a 9th level grandmaster of Wing Tzsjchun, or however you want to trademark it.
you are so naive. please open your mind, and see through the marketing that sergio has made up. I don't want to say anything bad against sifu sergio, cause i dont know him in person, and i haven't fought him to see his skills, but that is certainly very naiv of you to actually believe what you are saying.
I understand you guys... but you got me totaly rong;) please send me a prive message if you want to know what I mean... and don't get me rong. the man on this video is great!
i am a 1st level technician under sifu máday. I do have seen a lot of biu jee/tze from many masters. I have no problem about different forms and sequences, until they are logical, i believe these movements are too rigid, too long, curved. I think that these techniques cannot be applied this way. And i do not care about originality, no body really know how leun Jan and his teachers did biu tze. What matters is that it has to be logical, and applyable.
Watch Sifu Wan's other clips. You won't understand what he is doing either but at least you'll see that everything he does, works! Why? Because he has spent the last 50yrs putting it to the test and can explain everything he does. That's why his system is called Practical Wing Chun. Maybe one day you'll reach a level of understanding where you can see past the politics and appreciate one of the most important Wing Chun principles, that is,' Make it your own '!
at least, try to behave like a man, and not talk like that. This whole quarrel, and hatred against the different branches of the same art, and you hate them like your enemies. this is a big shame upon you all.
Its easy to say about other lineages, but this hatred is common even WITHIN Leung Ting's orginization. Everybody is against him. He is either a saint or a horrible man.
@akjunkie Hello Fuck! His name is Sifu Máday Norbert, and your wing tsun experince is depend on your faith and your endurance. Sifu Máday Norbert the BEST!
SeeFut May Day proved he is a great WC master by beating up that OLD MAN in the hotel room with his Faggot master Leung Thug sitting on the bed watching like a $2 hooker.
Hey guy! Shut up! Do you understand yourself?????? You have got only words, you can't fight as great as Maday... By the way, can you read? MADAY. Ma-da-y! Let you go now, and play with your minicars...
Don't make fun of the Wing Tsun... Because you can't do it, and can't understand it... I don't criticised your ">>master<<", so you shouldn't do it with my....
@akjunkie Read one Sifu Maday's interview, and you will understand, why he is te best, because he dont want have the 9. master level, because he gots many critics which are say: He only got the 8.level, because he is Leung ting son. Sifu is modest, and he didnt buy his wing tsun title(e.g.: Kernspecht) His knowledge is very hard work result! He only want learning and teaching traditional wing tsun. All respect to Sifu!
One more thing, just to bring up an example. Try to apply the huen gat sau movement (at 1:23), you will fail if your arm is grabbed properly. then try the way leung ting does it, then you'll suceed. there are many other examples that i could list, that from my experience wouldn't work that way.
Looking at your profile, i gather you have a profound respect for MMA. So I see your point and where u are coming from. But i still think gung fu has its own advantages.
I agree, MMA is just a ring sport. MMA is just a teen hype, you know almost all of these youtube mma warriors have never ever been practised a Chinese MA. All that MMA stuff only works in a ring, why? Because they have rules, and it wont even work in a real sittuation.
don't hate it ,cause its got some use to thugs that don't know how to fight ,you all mma think ur style is the best or your ahead of yourself ,don't forgot where martial art came from buddy
Sifu Wan is one of the best Wing Chun instructor, his emphasis is on practical wing chun, where he stressed the importance in real fighting, so his teaching is a bit depart from orthodox wing chun, but still very good.
according to your enlightened philosophy, you merely have to want something and others will give it to you, because well, you want it. just try that next time you walk onto a car show stage and tell the attendant to give you the keys to that nice ferrarri on show, becuse, well, you want it.
there is a kind of spiritual currency required to earn your way into anything, the matter of deserving something is entirely diff. from merely wanting it. everybody wants to win but there's only 1 champ
And no, you're just blowing hot air. The greatest teachers most certaintly do not all teach the public. If you think otherwise then you're just a peasant who has learned his letters and croaking loudly his opinion without any real exp.
Just because a master opens a class where anyone can walk in off the st. does not mean he is obligated to give anyone all his knowledge just becuase they want it. "You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink",
As Su Dong Po said "When it comes to the state of mind of my writing there has never been any carved in stone set of rules, hence dont care so much about every point and stroke when it comes to writing as it is petty and annoying".
interesting. i dont see any guy cofie stuff and nino is not on my list of the best. you mentioned 2 of them, the other 2 dont teach the public.
ultimately, if you learn, you learn from the one God allows you to learn from. everything depends on God's grace, and our own efforts, and in that order.
wc teaching is a business, and most who teach it dont have good kung fu. of those who do have and do teach, they dont teach you everything just becuase you pay a monthly fee. & that's only fair.
Actually they all teach the public, you just have to go and search them out.
God doesn't allow you to train, and God doesn't choose your sifu. God gave you the free will to choose from whom you learn your kung fu. And you are not stuck with whomever you started with, you must continue the search upwards for more advanced instruction.
Too many treat the teaching of WC as a business, but the greatest teachers are always largely unconcerned with profit.
I agree with your last comment, the greatest teachers are "largely" unconcerned with profit. It's called 緣分。or Fate. It takes more than your basic monthly fee and you "choosing" to learn from a master. You need destiny too, or you cant find them, or if you do, they dont want to teach you becuase for lack of better words, your vibe and their vibe dont mix, vibrate on the same frequency, or they just dont like your face. But "greatest teachers" have mortgages and families too.
you speak of "greatest teachers" as if you are in the priveliged know, so let me ask you, in your vast personal experience, how many "greatest teachers" have you personally met and learned from?
the search upwards for more advanced instruction at some point needs to turn within, and not without. otherwise you arent really learning.
to the world as with many arts that are disappearing. Each generation grows softer and weaker, sometimes a son does not want to inherit a style and pass on the teachings. Maintaining quality means less quantity of students. There are only 4 WC sifus left in the world that are worth a damn and only 2 of them may be willing to teach anyone, with conditions.
Wan is in great shape for his age but his power years are long gone. I will repay his kindness and show the world the power he once had.
Our predecessors in Wing Tsun where men and women just like us. Now there is 1.000.000 in the Leung Ting system, and more when others systems are added. Surely such a number will make for many very, very smart people. Who will contribute to our system.
I agree with you absolutely. Who are the four sifus you mention? I would say Nino Bernardo, Guy Cofie, Gary Lam and Wan Kam Leung, With Wan and Nino being difficult schools to start attending and the two others being the best in the world by far
hmm, only 4 sifu's,ah,that whole who-is-the-best-list crap is for kindergarten...but naming Nino (great guy) und Guy Cofie above Barry Lee is, well no offence, but it shows you are not that well informed. Nino admits that he was no match to Barry in their learning days by WSL Sifu.
As for Leung Ting WT...it sucks, every,and I mean absolutely every LT WT student/Teacher that visited my classes converted to WSL style...
Give me some credit bro! At least I named some guys that you like. How many times have you seen that? I don't think its overly counter-productive to name a list of guys that are genuinely great as some of the best. And perhaps I am not well informed because I have never heard of barry lee. Now I know who he is thanks to you and I can research him. See? Lists are great.
Oh yes and LTWT sucks. We had a guy the other day come in with 6 years at some bullshit WT place, he was sick as a dog after
WKL's WC has greatly changed from his earlier teaching years compared with now. Everyone's ego likes to think they are constantly improving, whereas fact is sometimes people lose skill, knowledge, and usually simply lose power due to old age or techniques change due to lack of practice or change in priorities (quality vs quantity).
the beauty of wing chun is still skill over brawn, speed and grace over muscle. angles and leverage in every move = great power. Most of WC has already been lost
I learned Fat Shan (closed door) Wing Chun from my parents before learn from Wan for 8 years. Even HK style and Wong Shen Leung style is already greatly adultereated from original Fat Shan WC, which is where WC originated from in case you didnt know. However, gravity and physics do not change though the height/weight/body/personality of the practitioner does. So the principles are singular in all 4, Fat Shan, HK, WSL, and WKL styles of Wing Chun, but the applications are different.
Alright, I guess I'm going 'meshugga' over here (LOL)! So why did I make the last statement?
Because all of Wing Chun, nay, all of Kung Fu (in general, and as a rule-of-thumb) has to do with a Human-Being's full range of motion as it applies to any and all potentially combative situations that may or may not occur. This being so, we will always have room to expand and grow!
Even though some of you may not care to know what I think on this matter of "non-bonafide" Wing Chun systems:
If you think you know Wing Chun (but only if you really do) I suggest that we all learn the way Master Wan does his Bil Jee in addition to continuing to practice it the way we already do.
I can actually "see" within his movements the martial applications which are being inferred.
When one has practiced SERIOUSLY for a considerable amount of time one begins to perceive subtleties which previously may not have been so apparent. In a nutshell, this SIFU KICKS MAJOR ASS!!!
In my humble opinion, this dude has got a great command of the Bil Jee form. And yes, people, there are many different ways of performing it.
Besides, the important thing to consider is whether or not one is following the Wing Chun principles (which, by the way, are based on other arts which preceded it). So why all the nonsense politics?
oh, and you know Wing Chun? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU!? This "old man" was teaching the G4 unit of the Royal Hong Kong police force while you were...........?
Wan is getting up there in age, 63 now, but he is still very powerful for his age. When he was just a little younger he was greatly feared by all the other Wing Chun/Ving Tsun sifu's in Hong Kong, and rightly so. He's from the generation where if you wanted to open a school publicly, it was understood you would be challenged, often, and quarrels were settled in the traditional manner, by single combat. You dont like Wan's Wing Chun? Come to HK, we'll be happy to help you fix your teeth and bones
im not saying you're not learning under grandmaster ip chun all im trying to say is that i am also and that i think the fak sau move in bill jee looks like that dance move from thriller.
if i just randomly said that without establishing that im not completely ignorant about wing chun, wouldn't i look like a bit of a douche?
im just trying to make a humour observation, not trying to show off or declare anything.
dude, you can't win an argument against an idiot no matter how kind and intelligent you are. Seriously, his very name only advertises his lack of intelligence. What kind of moron chooses his name to reflect his use of a drug well known to restrict brain function? You automatically win.
why this "most updated Biu Jee form, hahaha"? i am sure sifu wan does the form exactly the way he thinks it's right and the way it fits into his interpretation of ving tsun. so indeed the form is most up to date.
I agree. Eventualy the form is the same. Everyone puts a little one or two differences in. Like fingers spread or fingers together, the way you stand. This is incredible and this incredible man is my sifu´s sifu. So he is my masters master.
To all who think they are qualified to criticise, listen up. There are many techniques in the classic Wing Chun forms that just don't work. Sifu Wan has modified his forms so that every technique WORKS! Unless you understand the application of every technique, you can't appreciate the improvement. In one word,'PRACTICAL'.
usually if people claim something doesnt work, it doesnt work for them in certain situations and they over generalize or they simply do not understand how it should work. i believe you in that this is what this man can apply.
I`ve just visited sifu Wan for 5 weeks and trained in his school and there´s no doubt in my mind that he is a real master. Anyone who doubts it should go to Hong Kong and train with him. Awesome power, whoa sifu whoa
A fine example of gong-fu. His whole body moves like clockwork and no wasted movements. So no, Nothing even CLOSE to useless.
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
This looks so damn useless
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Lemme guess, You're one of those "UFC" meatheads?
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - I'm a Thai fighter first then a MMA practitioner next. I use MMA to fill my training gaps. This guy reminds me a clip I saw:
/watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
I can't believe you people think this shit actually works. Over the past few years I have dropped a few Wing Nuts in class. They come out saying "my trainer was taught by Bruce Lee's student", or "My lineage is _", the classic is "I have a black belt"
Then sparring begins, I punch 'em in the face and they hit the floor.
iApna 2 months ago
@iApna You make it obvious that you don't know exactly what martial arts/gong-fu is. There is no such thing as "the best style", It always comes down the individuals training and knowledge. My sifu always taught me that a real martial artist is one that shows respect for other styles by working harder than their masters. It will always be something much deeper than sparring and lifting weights.
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - LOL - I train specifically to be a better fighter. Sure I agree there is no best style, but there are better ways to train. If it comes down to the individual like you say it does, then the individual should not put faith into his instructors teachings and should question it. If you decide to only train in Wing Chun and face a grappler who will throw you head first into cement, then who is to blame? The individual of course for putting faith into his instructors teachings.
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - Whats interesting is, you said it comes down to the fighter. But Ramon Dekkers a world renowned Muay-Thai legend. This guy is vicious, his technique were flawless, he was awarded the first foreign fighter of the year award. He eventually faced an MMA fighter with half or less experience and lost in a few minutes without the other guy even breaking a sweat. Was it the fighter, the art/style, his instructor? Think about it.
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - Cont' - Clearly Ramon did not have any knowledge of how to fight grapplers. He never faced one before so how would he have known? How much better of a Thai fighter could have Ramon become to face a grappler? Would another 10 years of Thai training help? Probably not and he would be an old man by then. So its not just the fighter, but also his instructor and Style (or better put how you train to fight).
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - Cont' Again - So I might not be a "martial-artist" in the traditional sense. But I clearly understand the difference between learning to "Fight" vs. learning a "style". Learning a style is quite useless if you have not been trained to fight. If your trainer doesn't have at least 50 fights under his belts and half being against "real" pros fighters, then your instructor cannot teach you to fight. Unless of course he is backed up by others who do fight actively.
iApna 2 months ago
@iApna I completely agree with the instructor being at fault. But you also have to look at the styles. While I still stick with my stance of "No style is better" the deciding factor will be the TYPE. Like you said, You train in Muay thai, Muay thai was my first style, It was my intro to the world of Martial arts, and the main thing I learned from it is all the elbows/knees in MMA has nothing to do with the style, and what they show you in modern schools isn't even 5% of all muay thai.
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
@iApna -cont- You have to trace back centuries of war combat, Muay boran, Muay maa yang, Paak esaan, etc, to see that muay thai isn't being used to its potential. You can see the same in karate, most styles are bastardized into sports or health. Like if you put a BJJ Black belt in the same match with master of penchak silat who has trained for war you'll get very bloody results. My point is that usually the fault falls with the student for picking that specific instructor....
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
@iApna -cont- You can't go to a muay thai school in the states to learn the deadly arts of war, because they'll usually end up teaching you the bastardized sports version(Or as they call it here "Cardio kickboxing"). So my thing is the students who use their instructors names or that one style for an ego boost will never use their true potential(If they have any)
ShinNytRain 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - I am very aware that MMA clubs do not teach authentic Thai, which is why I train in both. But there is a good reason for it. Both my Thai and MMA club teach deadly techniques. But they are reserved for senior students who can exhibit control and discipline. If a student can't spar without control no matter the situation then he cannot be trained to maintain control when deciding the fate of someone's life.
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - Cont' There are some really good Thai instructors in the states. You can't pretend to know them all that would be impossible. But instructors such as Coban and Ajarn Surachai Sirisute come to mind. Also many of the techniques learned in grappling whether ground fighting or standing are designed to break your opponents. But being that we practice in class and in competition we have no intent of doing that. On street why not just knock someone out unconscious and have your way.
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - So to claim that Thai schools or MMA don't teach the deadly art of war isn't correct. Perhaps you haven't earned the right or cannot understand what you are learning or the applications for what you're learning. You said "Thai" was your first are you tried. You learned elbows and knees. You can learn elbows/knees from many arts. Question is did you learn to apply them in real combat and truly understand the weapons capabilities? Technique means nothing without learning to fight.
iApna 2 months ago
@ShinNytRain - What I learned from Muay-Thai was far greater than some Thai techniques. I was trained to understand the use my weapons and the art of fighting. Ex. This week, I sparred a junior/intermediate practitioner. I let him punch me in the face, body, kick my legs dozes of times, before I answered. When I did answer I hit him 3x and he was running. I gave him the confidence and illusion that he can take me, just so I can draw him close, enough to land solid strikes without effort.
iApna 2 months ago
I have meet sifu Maday and sifu Wan Kam Leung and train themes styles. I just dont want to say anything bad about any one. I just can say that sifu Wan Kam Leung is amazing nad real master i`m happy that i have pleasure to meet him :)
AkademiaWingTsun 4 months ago
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He does it differently in private.
tallset2 5 months ago
this is very different to demos of biu jee i've seen previously but what must be remembered is wing chun is about concepts not techniques.this is obviously grandmaster Wans' way of showing his interpretation of the biu jee concepts.he was a senior student of wong shun leung and took part in beimo himself,i believe,and also has practical experience of applying wing chun principles.people just need to be open minded and accept the evolution of a style so long as the core pricinples remain the same
dbwrc 10 months ago
If you think Biu Jee is something that your own Sifu says it is,you're wrong. Many masters developed their forms according to their own experience. This man is one of the greatest masters of Wing Chun in the World. He was given respect by Wong Shun Leung himself,who stated Wan Kam Leung has evolved the art. You see the form different then your own,but you havent seen the application and yet you judge? Shame on you,disrespectful lot who dare to say what IS or what ISNT Wing Chun.
Svemocn1Vidar 11 months ago
His chops seem particularly strong.
Godsmasher22 11 months ago 2
why does his form look kinda different from WSL's, especially the elbows
moondragon05 11 months ago
@moondragon05
because his style is different..its called practical wing chun, not traditional like wsl used to teach.
123market 11 months ago
@123market it looks powerful and practical indeed, but it doesn't look as wing chun anymore lol
moondragon05 11 months ago
Second worst Biu Ji I ever seen, stance is so wide, he's asking for a front kick to the family jewels. Why is it that these so called Masters all seem to have sloppy technique so bad that I would have been corrected for many times, usually with a fist in my face or a kick to my groin to show me where I was open.
TheDano1947 1 year ago
@TheDano1947
you call wan kam leung a `so called master` his new adapted style was signed off by wong shun leung himself..are you saying he gave him this athority for fun?? Every top name in world wing chun knows exactly what his style is all about. This guy is the real deal & u will see if you ever had the honor to be trained by him..p.s. check out his qigong clip here on youtube, your kick in the family jewels comment means nothing!!
123market 11 months ago
@TheDano1947
You've no idea what you're talking about. Show us your own form then,so we can judge accordingly. Wan Kam Leung is meastro of martial arts,one of a kind. Wong Shun Leung himself allowed him to develop the art as he sees fit.
Think before stating ignorant things,it will do you good in life.
Svemocn1Vidar 11 months ago 2
all resrect, i know how hard martial arts are but ... how would that help u in a fight?
auntygomez 1 year ago
@auntygomez That is too hard to explain in detail here, but every technique has many different uses depending on the situation. The forms are like a living text book, arranged in a fluid way so the techniques flow from one to another. When actually applying them however, you don't have to use them in the order they appear in within the forms, you can use any technique from any form in any order you choose. Hope that helps!
gragrn 1 year ago
you can see master Wong in master Wan, very very good bui jee people like this should be respected, watched... no.. studied sick of all cereal box wing-chun people who criticise what they neither know or understand....watch + learn
bigbillysbeard 1 year ago 4
I think this style is very good and probably the closes we will get to ng mu style or the original system of simplysity of movement whipping cutting percing twisting and entangling floating sinking etc master tthankyou for teaching us. How to do it another family style
abu1957 1 year ago
I like his wing chun and his braces xD
holdonflixxen 1 year ago
It is not Biu Tze...in my opinion...
Cineczek1500100900 1 year ago
I only see his Gold Rolex!
giant236 1 year ago 2
wonders how everyone who comments on youtube has been in a good amount of street fights?
fcuk4220 1 year ago 2
@fcuk4220 majority none
goldenking2287 1 year ago
This doesn't look like the Biu Jee.. sorry, people gonna hate me i know, but this isn't Wong Shung Leung lineage... He turn on his grave right now...
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gragrn 1 year ago
hahahaha -what's that? robodance? hahahah -awsomly funny!!!!!
constableman 1 year ago
Great energy and power but still soft and effortless. That's how you can tell the difference between real Wing Chun and others.
WCtrainer1 1 year ago 4
His biu jee seems pretty solid. Movements are a little wider compared to other style but I can see its practicality. He's trying to cover more areas of his body which is good. Sometimes a little more movement can actually help rather than limiting yourself to small movements. And his coverage of the 3 elbow strikes is a good idea. His lap sau pull is more realistic than the traditional version. He does have power, in fact he demonstrates quite a lot of it. Its very subtle but its still there.
MegaBulletHead 1 year ago 5
@synkronyk When you look at his turning, his stability, when he turn on heels as we can see in video, is not ... stable. It is not about which system it is, it should me functional at the first place, that we can talk about roots and branches of Wing/Ving Tsun/Chun..
Samwisewt 1 year ago
The only way you would really know the concept of his movements is to just visit him in Hong Kong. end of story.
jay5354369 1 year ago
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jesus christ. This is one of the worst biu gee forms i have ever seen. Very poor.
ozzie1246 1 year ago
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@ozzie1246: I agree with you, that very unstable stance, unfinished movements, many pointless and wasteful movements.. i cant believe my eyes. If he is Si-Fu, why he demonstrates this form so carelessly? I dont get it, why are people doing it?
Samwisewt 1 year ago
@Samwisewt You don't know what you're talking about either. Read my reply to your mate ozzie. To get an idea of how these techniques are applied watch Wan Si-Fu's other vids or pay him a visit sometime.
gragrn 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 Why? Because he is not throwing all his weight over the rear leg and leaning backwards with his arms out-streached like a zombie! Watch Wan Si-Fu's other videos to see this in action, the people he is flipping around like rag dolls are some of the top Wing Chun and Wing Tsun Sifu's from Europe and Australia. As jay5354369 said, pay him a visit sometime, he'll change your mind.
gragrn 1 year ago
@gragrn Not at all. I have a problem with 90% of his movements because they have absolutely no ging (last minute energy), which is the underlying principal behind this form. Biu Gee should be very tiring. The movements are also all very sloppy with no intent behind them. Some are even downright incorrect. For example his Kop Jarn (overhead elbow) comes in at the wrong angle. It is sort of a half Pie - half Kop Jarn.
ozzie1246 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 You think you know more than Sigung Wong Shun Leung's top student who has spent fifty years refining his Wing Chun? Did you notice he does three different elbow strikes, not the same one repeated three times like you do! What you call sloppy is relaxation, not the robotic stiff arm crap you do and I used to do before I discovered the difference. Ignorance is bliss, keep doing what you're doing!
gragrn 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 No, what you're used to seeing is very poor. This man has great gungfu, actually one of the most obvious examples of real gungfu that I've seen online.
fubokuen 1 year ago 10
I find his version of the lap sau section more realistic in comparison to other versions. I think I will change my form slightly.
MegaBulletHead 2 years ago 4
cool
paulstefan 2 years ago 2
Grand Master Wan Kam Leung was my Sifu when i lived in Hong Kong in 1998. He is a living legend.
He was Wong Shun Leungs 1st & eventually most Senior student ! That says it all ,if you dont know anything about either of these two men, then you still got alot to learn about Wing Chun....
This guy has amazing power and his Wing Chun is ass kicking, believe me. I have practised Kempo, boxing, Muay Thai & had my fair share off street fights, GM Wan Kam Leung is the real deal.
TURBOTAKESHI 2 years ago 23
@TURBOTAKESHI Kempo Boxing & Muay Chaiya aka Muay thai:
:P Legit stuFF:
he has *solid* RootinG:
his LegS* are weLL *tuned* or "Forked" in2 "Gaea" :P
He's a Force 2 be *RECKON'd* with, his ability 2 "solidify" his Standing Position:
aka *albeit* Stand *terra* Firma Nova his *ground* is his Greatest *asset* and whenever he Pushes 4ward:
Irrepressible is this *Mestre* ;) G'luck on *trainiNG* w/him, he's LEGIT:
:P
SaffuriousOne 7 months ago
master
max5sex666 2 years ago 5
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MrsFalungong 2 years ago
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raise your knee raise your other knee raise your foot raise your other foot walk in a circle ... DO THE PUPPET MASTER!
bretlynn 2 years ago
I would rather be a live peasant than a dead trailblazer anytime. LOL
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
bhibatsu, Well not always, depending on the situation. Sometimes you become great and sometimes you become a victim by going your own way. When Moses separated the red sea, everyone was heading to the opposite shore and if you chose to stay in the same place, going back or going a different direction, you would be a victim of drowning. There are very few things that are absolute in this world. One has to consider the exception and the other possibilities before making the decision to change.
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
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Excellent Video, thanks!
Phantombatman 2 years ago
Recently, 2006 world champion Chinese calligraphy master explained to me the etymology of the Chinese word for "greatness", 偉. He explained it is a "man" who while all the masses go in 1 direction, he can break out and go in the opposite, or different direction. Only great men can be trailblazers. The mass of peasants can only follow that trail.
bhibatsu 2 years ago 2
wat tv show is this?
TheDevil1912 2 years ago
einsiedler, he is not checking his footwork, he is looking down to see if he is still in that circle on the ground. I am sure he doesn't do that when practice at his residence. There is no need to.
wingchunexpert 2 years ago 2
Gragrn,
Thank you. How true it is to own Wing Chun rather than being owned by Wing Chun. One must retain and utilize what is suitable for him to use in the set and delete that which are of no benefit to him.
Mahalo
wingchunexpert 2 years ago 3
Ip Man modified his Wing Chun to make it his own.
Wong Shun Leung modified his Wing Chun to make it his own.
Bruce Lee modified his Wing Chun to make it his own.
Wan Kam Leung has modified his Wing Chun to make it his own.
" You must own your Wing Chun, not let it own you ". Wan Kam Leung.
gragrn 2 years ago 2
chaseleeUK, thank you very much for the info. I am not a practitioner of the Mantis system. It seems like this movement is very practical and useful. I think I also will adopt it for my own use. Instead of seizing and pulling someone's arm and then hit. Looks like it also can be used to just cut and block someone's upper cut and then strike the rib or the stomach area. Am I right?
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
Yes, both you and chasleeuk are correct, sock sau has many uses. Remember too that all techniques come alive when combined with the footwork.
gragrn 2 years ago
hey that is my friends master
dr3dre03 2 years ago
He looks like a doctor with his martial art skill so excellent that practically no one can beat him. He is one of the best in Hong Kong just like his teacher, the legendary wong Shun Leung, whom I truly respected and admired from the bottom of my heart.
wingchunexpert 2 years ago 3
he looks like a doctor
TheSenseofTouch 2 years ago 2
ı think the right is the hand must become straight at the punching time because ıt defences the attack most faster and reaction is easy
graysharkeye 2 years ago
chazdravis, what version are you looking for. May be I can lead you to that version. Please clarify.
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
Even though I am an expert in wing chun, but I have a question of his version. Right after the fut sou is the soak sou. Can anyone enlighten me the application of the "sock sou"? See we do not have this movement in our version. Many thanks
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
Sifu Wan modified Biu Jee form a bit, and he called his school as practical wing chun as opposite to the classic clan. Sifu Wan is very famous, he teaches the special unit in the Hong Kong police force, and his own sifu is the seehing of Bruce Lee.
bobowai 2 years ago 2
This master has learnt Chow Gar Mantis and combined it into his WingChun, the "sock sau" and a few other techniques come from mantis. Sock Sau is used to seize and pull someone's arm, its a typical technique found in hakka systems.
chasleeuk 2 years ago
gaaaaah i can't find the right version
chazDRAVIS 2 years ago
very nice
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
very good
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
simply terrifical
wingchunexpert 2 years ago
Im in the leung ting system, and they way were explained through movements of our forms, we understand every technique we are shown in the form. My instructor is a 5th level master, and I've never had trouble understanding his instructions, nor have they ever failed me!
GUFF21 2 years ago
Man, oman...
There are so many different styles of Wing Chun...Uggggg...
NecroViolator 2 years ago
the way he moves reminds me of Wong Shun Leung.
blurfist 2 years ago
this wingchun form has chow gar mantis flavour!
chasleeuk 2 years ago
siu lim tao en chum kiu is easyyy
bil jee is DIFFICULTTTT
ShoyruDrag0n 2 years ago
When you understand what every movement means and how to apply it, you will find it a lot easier to remember.
gragrn 2 years ago
This seems right.
Yakshinian 2 years ago 2
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And by the way this is really gay !
Dopedenim 2 years ago
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FUCK CHINA
Dopedenim 2 years ago
BUTT SEX!
TheJutsu14 2 years ago
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I train under Sifu Sergio (9th level grand master) (highest there is) he completed all forms from all grandmasters on the world and combined them to one. he is the only man in the world who knows every style (even the secret ones) of wing chun, wing tjun and all other wing ....
haloxcheats 2 years ago
Haloxcheats,that is the dumbest thing I've heard. While its nice to know that Mr. Sergio has studied a few versions of Wing Chun,it's completely irrelevant that he's a 9th level GRANDmaster. Highest level of Grandmaster-ism there is? Says who? He runs his own association, he can call himself the Master of Almightiness for all he cares. I swear you'll get your butt kicked if you go around telling people you train under a 9th level grandmaster of Wing Tzsjchun, or however you want to trademark it.
llunchbox 2 years ago 5
Sergio WHO? grandcocksucker of WHAT?
akjunkie 2 years ago
you are so naive. please open your mind, and see through the marketing that sergio has made up. I don't want to say anything bad against sifu sergio, cause i dont know him in person, and i haven't fought him to see his skills, but that is certainly very naiv of you to actually believe what you are saying.
princeandras 2 years ago
I understand you guys... but you got me totaly rong;) please send me a prive message if you want to know what I mean... and don't get me rong. the man on this video is great!
haloxcheats 2 years ago
i am a 1st level technician under sifu máday. I do have seen a lot of biu jee/tze from many masters. I have no problem about different forms and sequences, until they are logical, i believe these movements are too rigid, too long, curved. I think that these techniques cannot be applied this way. And i do not care about originality, no body really know how leun Jan and his teachers did biu tze. What matters is that it has to be logical, and applyable.
regards
princeandras 2 years ago
Watch Sifu Wan's other clips. You won't understand what he is doing either but at least you'll see that everything he does, works! Why? Because he has spent the last 50yrs putting it to the test and can explain everything he does. That's why his system is called Practical Wing Chun. Maybe one day you'll reach a level of understanding where you can see past the politics and appreciate one of the most important Wing Chun principles, that is,' Make it your own '!
gragrn 2 years ago
Princeandras it's a good thing you wrote that you THINK that these techniques cannot be applied. That should say enough already!!!
JoeLiquer 2 years ago
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Fuck May Day and Leung Ting. THEY BOTH SUCK!!!
akjunkie 2 years ago 12
at least, try to behave like a man, and not talk like that. This whole quarrel, and hatred against the different branches of the same art, and you hate them like your enemies. this is a big shame upon you all.
princeandras 2 years ago
Its easy to say about other lineages, but this hatred is common even WITHIN Leung Ting's orginization. Everybody is against him. He is either a saint or a horrible man.
Yakshinian 2 years ago
i agree.. if you spend all your time separating, how can you bring everything you encounter together into your own kung fu?
sloppymantis 2 years ago
@akjunkie Hello Fuck! His name is Sifu Máday Norbert, and your wing tsun experince is depend on your faith and your endurance. Sifu Máday Norbert the BEST!
szpityke 10 months ago 2
@szpityke
SeeFut May Day proved he is a great WC master by beating up that OLD MAN in the hotel room with his Faggot master Leung Thug sitting on the bed watching like a $2 hooker.
akjunkie 10 months ago
@akjunkie
Hey guy! Shut up! Do you understand yourself?????? You have got only words, you can't fight as great as Maday... By the way, can you read? MADAY. Ma-da-y! Let you go now, and play with your minicars...
Don't make fun of the Wing Tsun... Because you can't do it, and can't understand it... I don't criticised your ">>master<<", so you shouldn't do it with my....
BrutusHun77 10 months ago
@akjunkie Read one Sifu Maday's interview, and you will understand, why he is te best, because he dont want have the 9. master level, because he gots many critics which are say: He only got the 8.level, because he is Leung ting son. Sifu is modest, and he didnt buy his wing tsun title(e.g.: Kernspecht) His knowledge is very hard work result! He only want learning and teaching traditional wing tsun. All respect to Sifu!
szpityke 10 months ago
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this is really s lame performance.
take a look at the other real master's biu jee. Not even close.
princeandras 2 years ago
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dave76 2 years ago 4
the other wanted to be a reply, under this.
One more thing, just to bring up an example. Try to apply the huen gat sau movement (at 1:23), you will fail if your arm is grabbed properly. then try the way leung ting does it, then you'll suceed. there are many other examples that i could list, that from my experience wouldn't work that way.
princeandras 2 years ago
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dave76 2 years ago
Gott wie schlecht
joerg23081976 3 years ago
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holy shit!?!?!? how many guys is he fighting?!?!!? and at that speed?? holy fuckin shit dude!!
hollaplayer07 3 years ago
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People, dont lose yout time practicing this shit
goldfinger123 3 years ago
Looking at your profile, i gather you have a profound respect for MMA. So I see your point and where u are coming from. But i still think gung fu has its own advantages.
cprimer 3 years ago 2
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Has it own advantages like philosophy and you get discipline but i dont see physical advantages.You will never use those movements in a real fight.
In my view the best martial arts are those that you can use in the real life.Thats why i love bjj.
goldfinger123 3 years ago
I agree, MMA is just a ring sport. MMA is just a teen hype, you know almost all of these youtube mma warriors have never ever been practised a Chinese MA. All that MMA stuff only works in a ring, why? Because they have rules, and it wont even work in a real sittuation.
DemoScener 3 years ago 2
don't hate it ,cause its got some use to thugs that don't know how to fight ,you all mma think ur style is the best or your ahead of yourself ,don't forgot where martial art came from buddy
hotpopcorncake 3 years ago 3
u won't say that kind of shit anymore if u met him! if u ever have a chance to fight with him, u will end up understand wht u practicing is shit
makcheukyin 3 years ago 5
Sifu Wan is one of the best Wing Chun instructor, his emphasis is on practical wing chun, where he stressed the importance in real fighting, so his teaching is a bit depart from orthodox wing chun, but still very good.
bobowai 3 years ago 5
in Sanskrit language this currency is called punya or "pious merit".
it is the reason why some people have the best masters sent to them, and others cannot find them now matter how badly they want.
wanting and deserving are 2 entirely different things.
The Christians call this God's Grace and the Chinese call it Yuan2 Fun4 or Fate/Karma.
And if you know nothing of what I'm talking about, then you wont need any luck in your training becuase you'll never get anywhere anyway.
bhibatsu 3 years ago
according to your enlightened philosophy, you merely have to want something and others will give it to you, because well, you want it. just try that next time you walk onto a car show stage and tell the attendant to give you the keys to that nice ferrarri on show, becuse, well, you want it.
there is a kind of spiritual currency required to earn your way into anything, the matter of deserving something is entirely diff. from merely wanting it. everybody wants to win but there's only 1 champ
bhibatsu 3 years ago
And no, you're just blowing hot air. The greatest teachers most certaintly do not all teach the public. If you think otherwise then you're just a peasant who has learned his letters and croaking loudly his opinion without any real exp.
Just because a master opens a class where anyone can walk in off the st. does not mean he is obligated to give anyone all his knowledge just becuase they want it. "You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink",
bhibatsu 3 years ago 2
As Su Dong Po said "When it comes to the state of mind of my writing there has never been any carved in stone set of rules, hence dont care so much about every point and stroke when it comes to writing as it is petty and annoying".
"我書意造本無法，點畫信手煩推求。"東坡居士。
bhibatsu 3 years ago
interesting. i dont see any guy cofie stuff and nino is not on my list of the best. you mentioned 2 of them, the other 2 dont teach the public.
ultimately, if you learn, you learn from the one God allows you to learn from. everything depends on God's grace, and our own efforts, and in that order.
wc teaching is a business, and most who teach it dont have good kung fu. of those who do have and do teach, they dont teach you everything just becuase you pay a monthly fee. & that's only fair.
bhibatsu 3 years ago
"ultimately, if you learn, you learn from the one God allows you to learn from. everything depends on God's grace, and our own efforts".
One of the best comments i've read on M.Arts.
I'm learning from a damn good Sifu , but , what bhibatsu said is the ultimate truth.
I may may not agree on who's best in teaching on this art but your honest opinion is
"on the money ! " . Nice up man !
JohnEpi1973 3 years ago
Actually they all teach the public, you just have to go and search them out.
God doesn't allow you to train, and God doesn't choose your sifu. God gave you the free will to choose from whom you learn your kung fu. And you are not stuck with whomever you started with, you must continue the search upwards for more advanced instruction.
Too many treat the teaching of WC as a business, but the greatest teachers are always largely unconcerned with profit.
There are no clips of nino or guy.
bknives 3 years ago
I agree with your last comment, the greatest teachers are "largely" unconcerned with profit. It's called 緣分。or Fate. It takes more than your basic monthly fee and you "choosing" to learn from a master. You need destiny too, or you cant find them, or if you do, they dont want to teach you becuase for lack of better words, your vibe and their vibe dont mix, vibrate on the same frequency, or they just dont like your face. But "greatest teachers" have mortgages and families too.
bhibatsu 3 years ago 2
you speak of "greatest teachers" as if you are in the priveliged know, so let me ask you, in your vast personal experience, how many "greatest teachers" have you personally met and learned from?
the search upwards for more advanced instruction at some point needs to turn within, and not without. otherwise you arent really learning.
imitation, assimilation, innovation.
bhibatsu 3 years ago
to the world as with many arts that are disappearing. Each generation grows softer and weaker, sometimes a son does not want to inherit a style and pass on the teachings. Maintaining quality means less quantity of students. There are only 4 WC sifus left in the world that are worth a damn and only 2 of them may be willing to teach anyone, with conditions.
Wan is in great shape for his age but his power years are long gone. I will repay his kindness and show the world the power he once had.
bhibatsu 3 years ago
What a load of crap, no offence intended :)
Our predecessors in Wing Tsun where men and women just like us. Now there is 1.000.000 in the Leung Ting system, and more when others systems are added. Surely such a number will make for many very, very smart people. Who will contribute to our system.
I see a bright future :)
Thedreamshaperabc 3 years ago
"a thousand fools are not worth even 1 wise man" Kuatilya aka Chanakya pandit.
quantity does not equal quality.
bhibatsu 3 years ago 5
I agree with you absolutely. Who are the four sifus you mention? I would say Nino Bernardo, Guy Cofie, Gary Lam and Wan Kam Leung, With Wan and Nino being difficult schools to start attending and the two others being the best in the world by far
bknives 3 years ago
hmm, only 4 sifu's,ah,that whole who-is-the-best-list crap is for kindergarten...but naming Nino (great guy) und Guy Cofie above Barry Lee is, well no offence, but it shows you are not that well informed. Nino admits that he was no match to Barry in their learning days by WSL Sifu.
As for Leung Ting WT...it sucks, every,and I mean absolutely every LT WT student/Teacher that visited my classes converted to WSL style...
AndiLui 3 years ago
Give me some credit bro! At least I named some guys that you like. How many times have you seen that? I don't think its overly counter-productive to name a list of guys that are genuinely great as some of the best. And perhaps I am not well informed because I have never heard of barry lee. Now I know who he is thanks to you and I can research him. See? Lists are great.
Oh yes and LTWT sucks. We had a guy the other day come in with 6 years at some bullshit WT place, he was sick as a dog after
bknives 3 years ago
WKL's WC has greatly changed from his earlier teaching years compared with now. Everyone's ego likes to think they are constantly improving, whereas fact is sometimes people lose skill, knowledge, and usually simply lose power due to old age or techniques change due to lack of practice or change in priorities (quality vs quantity).
the beauty of wing chun is still skill over brawn, speed and grace over muscle. angles and leverage in every move = great power. Most of WC has already been lost
bhibatsu 3 years ago
I learned Fat Shan (closed door) Wing Chun from my parents before learn from Wan for 8 years. Even HK style and Wong Shen Leung style is already greatly adultereated from original Fat Shan WC, which is where WC originated from in case you didnt know. However, gravity and physics do not change though the height/weight/body/personality of the practitioner does. So the principles are singular in all 4, Fat Shan, HK, WSL, and WKL styles of Wing Chun, but the applications are different.
bhibatsu 3 years ago
Alright, I guess I'm going 'meshugga' over here (LOL)! So why did I make the last statement?
Because all of Wing Chun, nay, all of Kung Fu (in general, and as a rule-of-thumb) has to do with a Human-Being's full range of motion as it applies to any and all potentially combative situations that may or may not occur. This being so, we will always have room to expand and grow!
narayanr 3 years ago 2
nice yiddish. i agree with what youve said also. =p
Tianshou88 3 years ago
One last thing, my YouTube "friends".
Even though some of you may not care to know what I think on this matter of "non-bonafide" Wing Chun systems:
If you think you know Wing Chun (but only if you really do) I suggest that we all learn the way Master Wan does his Bil Jee in addition to continuing to practice it the way we already do.
narayanr 3 years ago 2
I can actually "see" within his movements the martial applications which are being inferred.
When one has practiced SERIOUSLY for a considerable amount of time one begins to perceive subtleties which previously may not have been so apparent. In a nutshell, this SIFU KICKS MAJOR ASS!!!
narayanr 3 years ago 2
In my humble opinion, this dude has got a great command of the Bil Jee form. And yes, people, there are many different ways of performing it.
Besides, the important thing to consider is whether or not one is following the Wing Chun principles (which, by the way, are based on other arts which preceded it). So why all the nonsense politics?
narayanr 3 years ago 2
oh, and you know Wing Chun? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU!? This "old man" was teaching the G4 unit of the Royal Hong Kong police force while you were...........?
bhibatsu 3 years ago
Let go the ignorant dark Silence in your self with the Light of dutyful Actions, its always better than silent inactions.
sregisters 3 years ago
Wan is getting up there in age, 63 now, but he is still very powerful for his age. When he was just a little younger he was greatly feared by all the other Wing Chun/Ving Tsun sifu's in Hong Kong, and rightly so. He's from the generation where if you wanted to open a school publicly, it was understood you would be challenged, often, and quarrels were settled in the traditional manner, by single combat. You dont like Wan's Wing Chun? Come to HK, we'll be happy to help you fix your teeth and bones
bhibatsu 3 years ago 2
thats a little different than what i know but i think it is just a different family
gumphustler 3 years ago
it´s wrong
very wrong
mpeterson007 3 years ago
Very different than WSL's ...
edseas2 3 years ago
And Yip man's Wing Chun was also very different from his own student, Wong Shun Leung.
narayanr 3 years ago
Mau mau didi mau
I could love you more than any ghoul could ever dare try.
cobead 4 years ago
I am a wing tsun practitioner training under grandmaster ip chun.
having said that... does anyone else think that the fak sau in biu jee looks like that move from 'thriller'?
ArcReforged 4 years ago
yes i do ... now that you mention it ..
IRSquirrell 3 years ago
no your not.
smokefan1420 3 years ago
i believe i am.
grandmaster ip chun attends every single training session.
why exactly do you not believe this?
ArcReforged 3 years ago
why declare yourself to youtube? I AM a ving tsun practitioner training under grandmaster ip chun too. prove me wrong. fellow youtuber.
smokefan1420 3 years ago
im not saying you're not learning under grandmaster ip chun all im trying to say is that i am also and that i think the fak sau move in bill jee looks like that dance move from thriller.
if i just randomly said that without establishing that im not completely ignorant about wing chun, wouldn't i look like a bit of a douche?
im just trying to make a humour observation, not trying to show off or declare anything.
relax, friend.
ArcReforged 3 years ago
haha relaxed. im just screwing around. and yeah. it was an accurate and humorous observation.
smokefan1420 3 years ago
dude, you can't win an argument against an idiot no matter how kind and intelligent you are. Seriously, his very name only advertises his lack of intelligence. What kind of moron chooses his name to reflect his use of a drug well known to restrict brain function? You automatically win.
AlienZygote010 3 years ago
"grand master" ip chun?
hahahaha....
well I guess that says everything about what you know, or should I say do not know, about Wing Chun.
HA HA HA!
bhibatsu 3 years ago 2
I like the belt/suspenders combo
purplestuff 4 years ago 2
why this "most updated Biu Jee form, hahaha"? i am sure sifu wan does the form exactly the way he thinks it's right and the way it fits into his interpretation of ving tsun. so indeed the form is most up to date.
flavoursaver 4 years ago 3
I agree. Eventualy the form is the same. Everyone puts a little one or two differences in. Like fingers spread or fingers together, the way you stand. This is incredible and this incredible man is my sifu´s sifu. So he is my masters master.
MuoGa 4 years ago 3
To all who think they are qualified to criticise, listen up. There are many techniques in the classic Wing Chun forms that just don't work. Sifu Wan has modified his forms so that every technique WORKS! Unless you understand the application of every technique, you can't appreciate the improvement. In one word,'PRACTICAL'.
gragrn 4 years ago
usually if people claim something doesnt work, it doesnt work for them in certain situations and they over generalize or they simply do not understand how it should work. i believe you in that this is what this man can apply.
awakenedstream 3 years ago 3
I`ve just visited sifu Wan for 5 weeks and trained in his school and there´s no doubt in my mind that he is a real master. Anyone who doubts it should go to Hong Kong and train with him. Awesome power, whoa sifu whoa
LoyKuen 4 years ago 4