MANKIND'S HISTORY & WHY ARE WE HERE ? - DEC 18th 2009.wmv

[HOLLNAIER]

watch?v=kl1nZ0dmpbo

Trying to reduce the essence of human existance into physical function is missing the point because my physical manifestation is not Me

I think Einstein comes closer than most!

[tiredneuron]

Reproduction is the purpose of life. A human can function as a hunter, farmer, or a more specialized information using professional like engineer or tech. People in society often define themselves by function. Operating in society becomes their purpose, a form of nationalism that puts the interest of the whole above individual interest. However, individuals are time-tested over billions of years, whereas the fossil fuel eating beast of which we are a functioning part is already wavering.

[jbyeats]

Dear tiredneuron,

Your comments are truly revealing.

You touch on several of the great core issues when you speak off human Improbability - and also Reproduction - but there does seem to other more hidden issues involved when we as humans consider

Art, Science , External Belief Systems & the concept of the FUTURE - and that we might be able to shape that future through our own endeavours. Many thanks for the time & energy . Brilliant comments. jb.

[tiredneuron]

When considering the reason for life you should realize that life does not need a reason. What is mind-blowing is the statistical improbability that any of us are here now. We are survivors of many thousands and thousands of challenges and battles. To realize how you might screw up a few billion years of success in your own nanosecond of life, if you were aware, is enough to make you fall off your bicycle. You might find more success in being unaware. Ooops!

[tiredneuron]

Organisms and human societies are systems of opportunity. Their organization will be contoured to fit an environmental opportunity or multiple opportunities. As complexity mounts with innovation and energy flow, the monarchy is inadequate to manage the system, just as a tribal organization is inadequate for the population density allowed by agricultural development and energy flow.

[axionication]

Absolutely stunning set of comments below.

I have nothing more meaningful to add.

[HansTheAtheist]

I don't think there's an intrinsic reason why we (humans) are here. Because we evolved from apes is a possible answer, but does that answer satisfy you? It all depends on what you want to know. Personally I think that "Now that we are here, what do we do?" is a more meaningful question. On a side note, here's a video with Richard Feynman (nobel prize winner in physics) on why-questions: watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

[fulekkei]

I agree with most of what you say. I do not feel we have any predetermined purpose. I do not think we are pawns set up to play some universal chess game. However, I do think an individual both can and should make a purpose for himself, as, "I love engineering; my purpose is to engineer." Unfortunately, not many people do this. Most people live purposelessly, never realizing that they have the capacity for purpose. This saddens me but like you say, hopefully we are bettering over time.

[ontheutubez]

Well fine....... I will disagree and say no one has a purpose to be an engineer. You're only an engineer as long as the economy can support engineering jobs for the engineers. Of course I'm mistaken and there are approximately 90,000 unfilled engineering jobs at this very moment waiting to be filled by "engineers". Your purpose is not to work as an engineer. That is how you make sense of the oppression you live under. You work because you need money to go on. Not because you love engineering.

[fulekkei]

This is fully and thoroughly true. However I am simpl saying that it is NOT true that humans cannot find purpose. Engineering is just one example, and indeed, it relies on the money system. However take a tribal society without money or even commerce and I guarantee you that those with engineering-oriented minds will take on engineering-oriented tasks within that society. The money system aside, I am just saying that HUMANS CAN LIVE WITH PURPOSE...and should.

[ontheutubez]

Yeah... they can live with disease. They can be murderers, inventors, whatever... They do all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they have a purpose. Your point has been taken rather clearly and it's an individuals choice to have such an outlook on their life. Some people think they have a purpose to fly into buildings in foreign countries. People do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. I don't need it reinforced to find purpose in taxed labor and consumerism.

[shorts207]

To reveal the source of creation.

You can think of humanity as a collection of living cells. In the physical body all cells are functioning in harmony to keep the body alive. Cells do not work for themselves. When they do, you might say the body has cancer. Our purpose is to cure our cancer and be as healthy as the source of creation.

[shamtoday]

Everything today is based on materialism, reductionism and randomness, if we are nothing but physical beings originating by chance in a random universe, then there can be no ultimate purpose in our lives. This is not only bad news individually but it also undermines the ethical and moral underpinnings of society and civilization. Playing the game is far more satisfying than reading the rules!

[shamtoday]

What greater purpose could there be for each of us humans than that of creating the conscious experience? Consciousness experiences the richness of its potential through us because we are the incarnations of it in the physical realm. That's what it is all about.

[nsprphg]

We are the infection taking hold in some corner of the universe and if given the chance we will spread and contaminate the whole thing. So far this is what man has done. But this could be the part we were ment to play up to this point and in the future it could change.

We act from the ego , mine,mine and mine for the future just incase of sortage. There is no balance with the universe. Maybe the inbalance is needed so we can spread faster. Or we could ask a bacteria what is your purpose =human?

[jbyeats]

@nsprphg

Again - a brilliant & insightful comment.

The true purpose is hidden - it can only be guessed at . Perhaps as you say - in the future our passive role as mere reactionary primitives will change .

Let's hope so. Thanks again for the comment. jb.

[pardonwhat]

My thinking is abstract so I guess there are two aspects to this question:

1. To ask the question "why are we here" would assume we have pre-ordained purpose (i.e we are not an inconsequential product of some other process).

This scenario requires a higher entity (HE) desiring a product.

Assuming physical matter and complex assemblies are already accessible to the HE. Then I assume our purpose is not tangibly based in the physical world.

The intangible product left is thought or.......

[pardonwhat]

......knowledge.

For "thought" to be the desired HE product; then may be we are being distilled to grade the product... say good from evil?)

For knowledge to be the desired HE product; then we would merely be a part in the supply chain to deliver the knowledge product.

2. If we take the premiss "I exist therefore I am" with no HE; the big question has to be "How did it start" and I cannot comprehend this scenario to extrapolate an answer

In either case to enjoy the journey would be my goal

[pardonwhat]

In summary may be we are here because;

-Our continuousness is distilling "Thought"!

-We are a part in an insignificant machine that is delivering the "Knowledge" product!

-We are an insignificant evolutionary coincidence!

At this stage in our evolution the answer is not empirically resolvable. However ignorance is not acceptable, we seem to be driven to questioning, this suggests we have a purpose

The drive for enlightenment/knowledge may be the answer to the question "why are we here"

[pardonwhat]

PS. I could not think of a good word to define who/where/what I am so I used the word "Thought" in my message.

The body is where I reside but am I my conciousness, my personality, my experiences?

What's the word is that defines "me"? what ever it is swap the word "Thought" and your there!.

[jbyeats]

@pardonwhat

Dear Pardon,

Three postings & a lot of time & energy .

I applaud you for that.

The abstract thinking tends towards a Buddhist response. I would very much agree with you - others may not.

However - I would add that your final summation is really excellent. The human drive for enlightenment is a major fundamental truth. It hints back to the beginnings of time as we waited daily for our ' God in the Sky ' the Sun - to rise again & breath life , into our planet .

V.many thanks. jb.

[prhughes0]

"What is our purpose?"

To fill time and space.

The only space left for growing is outer(space).

Fill with what? Well, it doesn't really matter. Life shifts forms (which fill time and space with descendants) constantly.

Life, through "us" (networked ape brains), is on the verge of taking on new forms using materials and technologies hitherto unavailable. DNA wet chemistry worked on a planetary scale, but doesn't work out THERE.

Titanium, silicon, carbon fiber escape the tyranny of liquid water.

p

[prhughes0]

To be clearer, perhaps, the only "purpose" (i.e. future) i can see for humanity is to produce descendants that can survive and reproduce on (and between) worlds unsuitable for human habitation, on their own, for themselves, with no further help from us.

Life is leaping from organic chemistry to a vast menu of technologically created materials and data processing, in an instant (geologically).

We, ourselves, are hitting the container's walls.

The role of humans otherwise?

Zoo, or none.

best

p

[prhughes0]

Re social development:

1. Is there any standard of comparison for judging the "maturity" of civilization as a whole? However, infant mortality is common (even the norm) in nature.

2. "Our" intelligence arose from and is sustained by inter- and (especially) intra-species competition. Even cooperation serves this competition. How will it be for "us" when "we" are no longer the most intelligent lifeform? Bread and Circus? Who will perform for whom?

3. Global fascism or warlords and chaos.

choose

p

[jbyeats]

@prhughes0

Again - must applaud your insight.

Very thoughtful & provoking comments.

Regards. jb.

[jbyeats]

@prhughes0

A real ' TOUR DE FORCE ' - 2 Commentaries

and you covered all the bases.

Your insight is truly excellent. Very impressive. Many thanks for the commentaries. jb.

[CelticReject]

We humans are only a genetic mutation. 99.9% of the planet is non human life forms. Therefore perhaps the question should be 'what purpose is life'. Personally, I don't think we (humans) have any more purpose than the bacteria which gather beneath my toilet seat. As sentient beings we have plenty of duties, to each other and other life, or at least we ought to. Our limited senses and the dimensions which we inhabit are only a small part of the greater universe. Peace, CR.

[jbyeats]

@CelticReject

Excellent insight :

Your grasp of the matter suggests you have a very accurate & succinct overview . In 6 lines of comment you have touched on some of the most important elements

of the mysteries relating to our existence.

Very many thanks, jb.

[NAVYGOLDEIGHTFOUR]

Why are we here? It deserves a lot more contemplation and discussion than it gets. We are here with no expressed purpose from nature. As you stated, most of natural history has gone on without us. We are the only animals in nature that can ask such a question and seem to be the only ones that need a purpose, so much so that we invent purposes all the time. I think we are here to improve, the endeavor of improving provides fulfillment, making it worthwhile, even if it's not "the" answer .

[jbyeats]

@NAVYGOLDEIGHTFOUR

Wonderful comments :

In essence I agree with most of what you say.

The total purpose of our existence is unknown to us - but elements of the why we are here , can be found in man's historical development so far . Small tribal groupings on the African Continent - expand into vast cities & states- on all continents. . If we can interface with technology - then the obvious calls us forward in time & space - to inhabit other planets & their systems. Thanks. jb.

[NAVYGOLDEIGHTFOUR]

I got that improvement bit of thinking from a young Brit while sitting around a campfire in Yellowstone park 18 yrs ago, it's been very useful.

I liked they way you described the history of the evolution of societies. Trial and error can get us to better situation and has done so. Some wisely applied scientific methods would help eliminate the blind alleys.

Developmentally I think we are in our adolescence. I time of awareness and new found powers, dangerous and exhilarating.

[galteeview]

Hi jb, no need to apologise for getting angry, i think i would get the dt's if i didn't get my weekly fix of jbyeats videos, even if it's mostly bad news.

A very wise man can be found here on youtube if you search for Red ice Radio- Michael Tsarion- pt1 Tyranny-Calvinism-Behaviorism.

[jbyeats]

@galteeview

I appreciate your comments - I just feel so frustrated at times with the corruption & general incompetence of those who govern us and administer our society . It must be so appalling - especially for young people with a genuine vision for society . We must try & get people- especially young people to increase their awareness of the situation we face. They truly represent the future . Not an easy task - but one which MUST be done. Regards. jb.

[galteeview]

There is definately a consciosness shift happening, if people can move their point of observation bit by bit through watching videos like this then maybe we can break the controlled media stanglehold who in some ways create our reality. jb, you sum up the beauty of youtube really well, and if you didn't get angry your videos wouldn't resonate with as many people as they do. what is valued is what will prosper, so we are all a little responsible for these crazy people who control us?

[mcattack21]

How bad is it going to get? Well how far does it addict go before he wants to reform?

On your thoughts on wisdom, I read an article that we are now leaving the information age and starting to enter the knowledge age. Im 22 and because of the internet I understand far more about the world than my father ever could. I think that the internet will spread wisdom because its like having the ability to tap into millions of minds with the click of a button.

[jbyeats]

@mcattack21

Excellent comments . The power of the Internet cannot be overstated . Just as printing brought about a new age of conscious development in man in the 15/16th Century - so the effects of the Internet will bring about a new age of understanding & insight for millions of

ordinary people throughout the globe.

For a young person of 22 you demonstrate a very mature sense .

Regards. jb.

[justjacqueline2004]

You are asking me to think for myself-this is so hard!The reason it is so hard,is because the media pollute thinking not only as a necessity but also as an art form.The pollution stops the antithesis that is thought and therefore slows the great leaps forward.However the written word well executed allows one to realise we are not alone.

[jbyeats]

@justjacqueline2004

Seriously insightful comment. One of the few last positive thing about Irish society - is that literary excellence is still considered of merit & is held in some regard. Again thanks for your insight. jb.

[ccharlie100]

To understand 'Society' you first have to difine the word; no one can agree on what 'Society' is... here is my definition:

Society is a Mind Prison invented by organised religion to give humans a naritive - A 'matrix' if you like, to exist within so we can all get along.

There are no rules out there. 'Society' is just the construct for some structure.

Its a control mechanism - not a bad one at that.

We are a 'Society' in the form of 'Gods Flock'; sheep content to be braintrained.

[jbyeats]

@ccharlie100

You've obviously given all this some serious consideration - all power to you. Until now the Church & Media were the controlling elements of this so called society. The Church has lost most of its popular credibility & its slowly being replaced by Science . Interesting to see where that will go. Many thanks for the comments. jb.

[ccharlie100]

I didn't get your name Sir.

You marked out the reason for the sudden disatisfaction in the classical power structures - (which can be defined more easily as 'Ruled, or not Ruled') - in your video...

The reason for the change is simple: Education and knowledge - The Internet.

It is no mistake that the 2 decades of 'World Terror Fear' from the Governments of the World are exactly the same 2 'Broadband' decades.

Your anger, like everyone elses, comes from the fact that you are now awake