Can't believe he can qualify as an academic! He is filled with intellectual dishonesty with his arguments. Choosing Germany and Japan as an example to support enforcing democracy at the point of a bayonet stinks of sample bias!
"Muslim Democracy?" Nice concept, I guess. In reality, what is going on in Iraq four years later is nothing like the fabled "Muslim Democracy." In fact, UNLIKE Saddam Hussein's regime (which was SECULAR), they NOW have Shariah Law - thanks to us, and Christians are fleeing or being persecuted/killed.
He asked the question of Libertarians if we should intervene abroad to secure liberty. We never have to intervene abroad to secure liberty for ourselves. He doesn't say anything about the Constitution and CAN we intervene - he just asks if we should. Maybe he should read the Constitution some time. It's not long or difficult to understand. When did we decide that the Constitution was something we could take or leave? I didn't vote for that.
AGAIN, because the parliment asked us to, that means we have the right to go in an overthrow a democratically elected president in Iran. So I guess we can do just about anything as long as someone asks us to do it. We can go wage a war somewhere and kill a million people, but it's not our fault, someone asked us to do it. It should have been the people of Iran who decided in their next election if they wanted him as president, and not the CIA and the wealthy parliment.
I am really concerned about the situation we've gotten ourselves in. These neocons will do anything possible, tell any lie they think they can get away with, to have the federal government do it's bidding. These damn neocons global ambitions could, in worst possible scenario, lead to an all out nuclear war in ther middle east, and some of those nukes could land in America. The neocons just think it's a game. They sit in their comfortable chairs in their offices while millions die.
He just completely changed the definition of Libertarianism. He hijacked the word libertarian. The US somehow, desperately need to rid ourselves of these neocons. It doesn't matter whether a democrat or republican is in office or control congress at any given time, the neocons are always there. The wars they have gotten us into so far have been complete disasters, and their solution to that, MORE WARS? The neocons are like a pesky fly that just won't leave you alone. Time to get a flyswatter!
Neocons advocate WAR ultimately. They prepare for it with massive investment. Nothing to do with freedom. It's about imperialism and conquer, in this case for oil and Israel. This should be of great concern for America and for the West, because it devides the world into 2 camps. Judeo-Christian against all else. Hundreds and perhaps billions of people waring with each other. Nuclear hell. Not much will be left afterwards.
While D'Souza might be wrong about Saudi Arabia being secular in any way, he's correct about everything else.
Bush could've just killed a few terrorists in Afghanistan after 9/11 and called it a day. But that wouldn't have made us safe. We needed Saddam Hussein gone, and the Middle East restructured - to embrace the 21st century, and modernity, and liberty, and to dispel their rulers.
The Arab Spring you all saw this year would never have happened without the liberation of Iraq.
@joba606 Are you kidding me about D'Souze. First of all he hijacked the word libertarian. He lied about why bin laden attacked us. Bin Laden even said HIMSELF, he attacked us because of our constant meddling in the middle east and our unconditional military and finanancial support for thuggish Isreal. Now we want a democratic Iran. We helped overthrow the only democractically elected governemt Iran ever had in 1953. The US has always supported cruel dictators who do favors for us.
@Jshect Understand first that Bin Laden's anger was HIS alone.
The king of Saudi Arabia BEGGED President George H. W. Bush to come and stop Saddam Hussein's forces from rolling straight through Kuwait into his country.
Bin Laden later said he was furious the American troops were "dragging their filthy (non-Muslim...infidel) feet through the land of the two holy places (Mecca and Medina)".
Even though the U.S. was asked to go there by the king, Bin Laden blamed US...and NOT the king.
@joba606 I don't think Bin Laden and other muslims were mad at the US because of one incident. They are mad because of 60 years of constant meddling in the M.E, because the weapons Hussein were using against Kuwait, were given to him by us when he was our friend 10 years ealier. They and I are sick of this bs, when we befriend brutal tyrannts, give them money,weapns. military training, money that helps finance their dictatorships, and then years later attack them in the name of democracy.
@Jshect According to SIPRI, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States gave Saddam Hussein about 5% of his total arsenal. 95% of his arsenal he got from Russia and China.
America arming Saddam is another left-wing lie about America I have to discredit over and over again.
@joba606 So you are saying because we were asked to fight Saddam that gives a right to go wage a war. So it's not our fault we went to war, Bin Laden shouldn't blame us, we were asked to go to war, so what else could poor America do. LOL Oh man, you could be a neocon in one of their thinktanks because you're good with facts and you're willing to say anything to prove your point. I'll get to your other comments later. I am still waiting on that definition of libertarianism.
1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.
2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will.
Your definition of being a libertarian seems to mean that you believe everyone should be free and live in freedom...unless a Republican president try to export it abroad.
@joba606 Well then I'll admit, I was misinformed about the % of support we gave to Saddam in the 80's, but my point remains the same. I don't care if we gave him 100% of his arsenal or 1%, we were still supplying a ruthless dictator with weapons. A DICTATOR, not a democratically elected president. So that basically negates the neocon LIE, that we just want to promote democracy in Iraq.
@joba606 We don't care what type of government is in Iraq, democracy or dictatorship, as long as they will do what we tell them. The neocons love to say they want democracy because of freedom, but they really want it because it will be easy to manipulate. If a democratic government were established, the neocons and the elites would be there in 2 seconds with their money and their influence determining the outcome elections, just like they do in this country.
@joba606 AGAIN, because the parliment asked us to, that means we have the right to go in an overthrow a democratically elected president in Iran. So I guess we can do just about anything as long as someone asks us to do it. We can go wage a war somewhere and kill a million people, but it's not our fault, someone asked us to do it. It should have been the people of Iran who decided in their next election if they wanted him as president, and not the CIA and the wealthy parliment.
@joba606 Iran finally had a DEMOCRACY. Maybe it wasn't perfect. Hell, our democracy is nothing but a 2 party dictatorship. They were on the right track. And CIA went in there, like they've done all over the world, and helped stage a coup and now look at Iran today. We're partly responsible for the way they are today. Now we want to go overthrow their governent again and the pattern will repeat itself. How do we know Iran won't end up like Iraq? This is just crazy.
@joba606 Yes, I do think if the oil is in your country you should have a right to say "we're kicking BP out and keeping the oil for ourselves. Why would you think for a second BP has more of a right to Iranian oil, the Iran does? Do you really think a crooked oil company and and few powerful people in Iran should be the only ones benefiting from that oil. The people elected their president so he could nationalize the oil and share the wealth it generated with all of Iran.
@joba606 I can't believe the way the neocons and you are willing to lie in order to keep this neocon insanity going. You said everything he said was the truth. Most of what he said were lies. I want you to look up the definition of libertarianism, the way it has been defined for the past 100 years and compare that to the sleezy way he twisted the definition into something that supports his nonlibertarian viewpoints. The civil war was not fought over slavery. That is a PC liberal and neocon lie
@joba606 And as I pointed out already, we don't care about democracy. We are willing to support brutal Tyrants as long as they appear to be on ourside. Some great examples are in Africa today. he said we are only trying to promote democracy in Iraq. Our CIA has been involved in all of these recent revolutions like Libya, and they're stirring things up in Egypt, Iran.. Oh the lies and half-truths the neocons tell. Almost every reason they give you for their ideological positions are half-truths
@Jshect In 1951 the Shah of Iran stepped down, and was succeeded by Mohammed Mossadeq. Mossadeq became a disaster.
He confiscated all of the British-owned oil fields that Britain had paid millions of pounds for, and claimed all the oil that the Brits dug up would go to Iran.
Britain AND members of the Iranian parliament complained to President Eisenhower, and asked him to help in any way he could...without any violence.
So he ordered the CIA to steal the election and toss Mossadeq.
@joba606 British-owned oil fields? The oil fields were in Iran, they were Iran's natural resources. The oil fields should have belonged to the people of Iran, not a wealthy British oil company. The people of Iran were not benefitting from their oil fields. The British oil company and some leaders in the Iranian government were. Mossadeq took the oil and gave it back to the people. He had the support of the people. It was not our right to intervene just for the benefit of a British oil company.
@Jshect The first day Israel was created, the 5 surrounding Arab nations ALL declared war on the Jewish nation, and Israel's been at war from the 350 million Arabs and Muslims surrounding her, ever since.
Israel is a democracy, and it's parliament, the Knesset, has many Arabs and Muslims in it.
How many Jews are in Iran's parliament? Jordan's? Libya's? Egypt's? Saudi Arabia's?
There's something about the Christain Right in America and the word "secular" - they just can't get their heads around it. How the hell is Saudi Arabia "secular"? Dinesh may be better served looking up the word "Wahhabi". What a tool.
where to begin with a creepy puke like this ?? the depths that some will stoop to ,to further their own interests is staggering,the rationale further still.do they expect people to fall for this shite because they couch their arguments this way.strip it all away and this guy is a pimp for thieves and murderers.
Why is bad for a country to pursue policies that will benefit its own economy? Everyone does it, its called self-interest. Yall are hypocrites, you live in this life of luxury and get mad/outraged upon seeing what fuels it.
Purely pathological. "What's the Libertarian position on this... to sit back blah blah". Buddy you just summed up the conflict of Iran gaining control of Iraq because you and a few college friends got stars in your eyes about "spreading democracy". These people will truly destroy the world one day.
Call them what they were. Neocons were Jews, Zionists and pro-Zionists that America was foolish enough to allow close enough to power to seize it. Bush was not a Neocon, but was manipulated by them. Bush power - Neocon power, same thing. Neocons scurried back to they so-called think tanks and will rise again under another name but will remain Israel's right-wing lapdog.
You are nothing but a an apologist for big corporations. All the talk about Democracy looses steam when you use it in context of imposing it wherever your interests dictate it.
WOW, he doesn't use theory to argue objective facts, he does the opposite, and then suggests what will happen as part of his guesswork, but for the future
thing is, that comment about active attempts to coup their governments and set up muslim countries...
PERFECTLY in line with their strategies, motives, and what they said
if I were a strategic player in that area that's what I would do, I know that much
also helps I held much of his view previously, but still... :P
coming into this, I remember dinesh did something about politics I disagreed with, as well as a debate with daniel dennett which I *also* disagreed with, I'll post what I think after listening to him in 10 minutes
@FantasticBob7000 The majority of combat veterans would slap your stupid cowardly ass around. Don't pretend your tough. Stop trying to pretend you care about what the men-at-arms think.
I hope somebody important to you becomes a victim of Islamism. Maybe you will stop seeing the Islamists as harmless or somebody else's problem if they impinge on your selfishness.
@countertreason Well well, if it isn't the chickenhawk youtube squad. Typically spamming to mask your low numbers. Your family & friends must've all been killed by Muslims huh, you poor victim. I know what neocons are so the question is are you one of them or one of their suckers. Got buddies in Israel maybe? Your American patriot pretense is as fake as your tough talk Rambo, I can see it a mile away so don't try your crap with me.
So glad you care about veterans, you're talking to one.
@FantasticBob7000 I don't care if your a veteran, lots of men who have done great things are afflicted my stupidity and pettiness. You are just one of the many.
I have no American patriotic pretenses, I couldn't care less about which representative of western society deals with Islamism. I am a Canadian. We are active in Kandahar province, Afghanistan. I wish the Europeans would show a little more gusto, too.
You have said nothing really of substance so I cant really reply more than that.
@countertreason Huh, I thought you cared about veterans. I thought you "care about what the men-at-arms think." Was all that just a bunch of bs then? Also like the part about you being too smart to comment. Your genius probably hasn't figured out your neocon heroes are Trotskyists. So again the question is are you a neocon or one of their idiot followers? I'm guessing you're one of the many. Good luck to you hero, I'm sure you're serving in the Canadian army fighting bravely in Kandahar.
First, I said that you should stop trying to care what the men-at-arms think. That doesn't mean that I do care. I thought I would point that out, though I do care what they think.
Second, I didn't say that I didn't care what they think, either. I said I don't care if you are a veteran or which members of western society fight Islamism.
Lastly, I said you have said nothing of substance for me to reply to. Ditto here.
@countertreason Oh come on now Leon, that's no response worthy of the great neocon thinkers. What would Mr. Strauss think of you giving up like that? Where's the global theory explaining my evil reactionary attitude? At least you could spew a couple more antisemitism accusations or holocaust rants, no? Maybe another pitch or two for glorious Israel? Nothing?
Maybe that's why you're working the youtube shift, the think tanks demand better efforts than this.
@FantasticBob7000 You didn't say anything, again. You invited me to tell you what I care about. I made it clear already. Islamism is more threatening than Communism in its zeal and fanaticism and if those fuckers get a bomb, they will use it. They aren't created by us, they are created by a religion that imagines a world administered by them. Where the infidel may exist, but under their rule.
This Islamic notion motivates manipulative men to take advantage of Muslim suffering to this end.
@countertreason Hmm, manipulative men to take advantage of Muslim suffering to their end. You sure you meant Muslim and not Jewish? Because you said the Palestinians are lucky and you never mentioned Muslim suffering before. So you must have meant Jewish suffering. Your sentence would make more sense that way too.
Look, it’s been fun but you're pretty much playing the neocon tape again from the start. You can move on to spamming other videos now, you’ve lost my interest.
@FantasticBob7000 Yah, just because Jews suffered that logically and Palestinians are lucky to be mistreated only as much as they are, it follows that no Muslim has ever suffered. Your reason is sound.
You lost my interest a long time ago and then exhorted me to continue responding. As long as people like you are not utterly humiliated with your stupid arguments and points of view, people like me will be forced to do this to you. Dont pretend you dont know what I mean.
@countertreason Ha ha ha ha ok you got my interest again, you're utterly humiliating me, is that what you're trying to do? I know neocons are delusional but you're making a huge ass of yourself. You didn't even get the point about using Jewish suffering for ulterior motives.
It's cute how powerless dumbasses like you are actually funny, it just turns serious when smarter versions get in positions of power.
Go ahead and "humiliate" me some more tough guy, a little comic relief is a good thing.
You think your good but your delusional. You missed my point, but I am going to continue laboring to tell you your not good because I am extremely insecure.
And you ought to be, but how do I reply to that? I want to help you, pal, but untill you drop your anti-American / anti-Israeli zealotry, I can't help you. Go to a leftist witch doctor. He will arm you with some cliche slogans and the term "islamophobe". You'll be good.
@FantasticBob7000 You humiliate yourself when you claim to be knowledgable where you are not. That you have been reduced too often to saying nothing of substance is not because you are wise in the matter; it is because you haven't thought things through thorougly enough.
If I claimed that some 'sissy' ought to be beaten up for expressing his views in a country with freedom of speech, I would make sure to have a lot of substance supporting this claim. You have nothing.To me, that is humiliating.
@countertreason How's this for facts genius. The neocons aren't conservatives at all. They are Trotskyists, which they dont' like to admit. Trotskyism is fundamentalist Marxism. Neocons were big government democrats before they hijacked the republican party.
You're not really an Irish Canadian are you? You don't talk like one, Canadians don't care about your bs issues, and Irishmen know how to fight.
So why don't you come clean? Or would that be too humiliating for you?
@FantasticBob7000 Neocons are not Trotskyists, they consider themselves socially liberal generally. They believe in the values of classic liberalism and even some progressive notions including the welfare state perhaps. But they are not monolithic. Some support healthcare, some dont. The difference between them and a liberal is they consider themselves liberals 'mugged by reality'.
I am half Irish, as I said. I suppose race means a lot to you. Interesting.
@countertreason A Muslim-hating war-mongering non-military-serving torture-happy Zionist racist just insinuated I'm racist. I'm screwed.
Try out this scenario. With a renewed patriotism, the US carpet bombs Israel for the USS Liberty and everything since. You and D'Souza locked up in Gitmo without charges. You get your ass kicked daily again like in high school. On weekends you get tortured. All legally under the laws you've been pushing.
@FantasticBob7000 Well, if hating Islamism is hating Islam in your books, then I am afraid that you, yet again, are the bigot; for I believe Islam can be brought under control in the same way that Judaism and Christianity were reigned in. I never advocated torture, you invented that because your stupid and a liar. I am not a Zionist or a racist.
Me n D'Souza - all we are doing is talking. We didn't murder or plot to murder anyone.
@countertreason So pretentious about being well read, yet so ignorant. I upset you by slamming your buddy D'Souza, yet you're unaware he advocates torture. You don't even realize the neocons you worship are the people that brought the world communism and global war. Just like they're doing now. Your precious Judaism is alive and well in Israeli settlements, far from reigned in.
Freedom of speech is limited to yelling fire in a theater. And pimping armageddon. And dragging down my country.
@FantasticBob7000 Well - the leftist movements of the 1900s that bred so-called 'intellectuals' like Lenin were responsible for world communism. The Neocons had nothing to do with that. Global war has existed since the dawn of civilization, so they didn't bring that. Israeli settlements are far less ridiculous than suicide bombing, when you consider how small Israel is and that an equal number of Jews left middle eastern countries as Palestinians live in Palestine.
@countertreason You're funny. People didn't know about the earth globe at the dawn of civilization, wars were regional until the west colonized the planet.
Free speech is absolute? Neos are too "sophisticated" to believe that stuff. So again are you a neo or a retard follower? If you've championed the cause of Western Europeans locked up for questioning the "holocaust" you'd be ... someone else. Funny gibberish about Israel too.
Commies are neocons with different name & predate the 1900's.
@FantasticBob7000 Oh, OK. So knowledge and contact with the entire planet instead of just a little parochial world is the Neocons fault.
Free speech is absolute and any Neocon would support that. That is why they are quick to advocate war is because they fear any world in which western rights and freedoms are not holy and sanctified.
Lastly, again, you show a fundamental misunderstanding of Neoconservatism when you equate it to Communism. Neocons came about in opposition to the USSR.
@countertreason The neocons lost control of the USSR when Stalin wiped out the Bolsheviks and whacked Trotsky. They wanted to use Russia's power for their global domination dreams and ruined the country, just like they're doing with the US.
Like in the past, there's no better pretext for war than humanitarianism. Kill a few ragheads because you love them, huh?
I tried explaining earlier that crap doesn't work on me but I guess it works on you. I don't think you're faking at this point.
@FantasticBob7000 Neither Trotsky nor Lenin were Neoconservatives. They had never heard the term before; they didnt love and value liberal rights and freedoms nor did they promote capitalism.
The only similarity between the two groups is their worldly ambitions; the one for international socialism and the other for international liberal democracy. In this respect, then, they are the same as Islamism. Your logic is sloppy.
Killing ragheads for America doesn't make sense and I never said it did.
Dinesh D'Souza is nothing but a tool to the Neocon psuedo conservatives. God to these people is nothing more than a commodity to be exploited so that the gullible double digit IQ christians will fall lock stock and barrel for whatever schemes they have in mind.
One should never forget that the Neocon ideology is an ideology of war, guns, oil, and exploitation.
@LordMalice6d9 Or perhaps one should read neoconservative theory before making extremely ignorant pronouncements about it. I am going to throw this out there and you and I will both know what the answer is: how much Irving Kristol have you read? How much of Douglas Murray have you listened to?
After answering, "virtually none", ask yourself a followup question, "How does my opinion about what comprises neoconservatism mean anything when I have made no effort to learn about it?"
Democracy does not necessarily lead to freedom but freedom always leads to democracy. The people of a nation must fight for their own freedom when they are ready. Do not have it instigated on them or else they will not be willing to fight to keep it. If neocons cared so much about people under tyranny on the other side of the world they would not start wars which create thousands of innocent casualties. Instead they should promote freedom by example and open our borders to refugees.
@rkp102 We should have let Japan and German fight for their own freedom. Italy, too. We should have allowed communism to engulf the south of Korea as well. They would be better off under communism. What about that? The effort we put in to save the south of Korea has made South Korea. Would you oppose the intervention to prevent those good people from being subject to 'Dear Leader'?
The western world cannot continue to be the only bright spots of humanity on the planet. Not forever.
Libertarianism would be the ideal political philosophy if it had answers to these two questions:
1.What do we do about Foreign Policy?
2.What do we do about all the hungry kids?
Until libertarians bring arguments and solutions to these questions they will never resonate with the masses. If that makes me a Neocon, then democracy and capitalism for all!
P.S. George Bush didn't organize 9-11 you conspiracy theory nutjobs.
He is bringing up the old 'domino effect' argument again. You know, if Vietnam becomes communist, the whole world will fall to communism...
The argument that the Iraq war was to create a muslim democratic example is also quite transparrent. That could have been done in Afghanistan. Why start another war?
We didnt create frredom during WWII with force, we defended it. We didnt attack them, they attacked us. After we fought back then we rebuilt them and created democracies with policy and dialouge.
the most unfree part of the world is the middle-east?
And what makes democratic countries so free? What is democracy? It's just another name for kapitalism/zionism/neo-conservatism.
Is an American so free? Nobody in America is free, everybody is afraid by his neighbour for having a gun and shoot one down. What democracy is America talking about. America should first of all democratize itself. Controlling the media and one way politics is not democracy.
wow very inspiring. but he neglected to mention another remarkable quote made by bin laden: that his intentions for 9/11 were to lure america into the middle east so that they could be bogged down into an unwinnable war and bleed them of their economic power and international clout. self-respect, though admirable, is all that the neocons ideologues are going to have after this plays out. america will be in dire straits and with the exception of the mil. ind. compl. no one will be glad we stayed.
i think its interesting that dick cheney knew this fiasco would happen in the 80s. he only became optimistic once he became involved with haliburton and a number of other defense contractors that he thought war with iraq may be a good idea. the national security council during the bush wars was a giant bed filled with myriad special intrest reps from big oil, war profiteers to imf neolibs. iraq was a pillage and this guy's admirable rhetoric does not represent the reality of bush and co.s intent
no, you can promote both freedom and equality by allowing internal democratic forces to subvert regimes......iranian dictatorship supported by the us was subverted my mass popular movements for example
Japan isn't Iraq. I think we got lucky in Japan. Not something you can just rinse and repeat at will. Neocons have tried to put a square peg into a round hole for too long. We are not "weak" when we back away. Reagan did it. . .
It's all imperialist bullshit. Can the conservative intelligensia do anything but espouse the same pro-war tough talk using the same buzzwords (freedom/liberty)? All this generalizing & denigrating Muslim values and tough talk from "Christian" people who mostly haven't served in the military, but are SO ready to push our kids into war. Stop with the war movie over-compensating and show me you believe in American values by supporting politicians who give our troops the support they have earned.
i agree..but this indian fuck sure as hell is a well-spoken manipulator huh?..up there implanting the idea that if we pull out we're weak. and that since we pulled out of vietnam we are weak. to these nutjobs, killing millions on innocent people, and maiming millions more is the best way to plant the seeds of democracy. labeling radical muslim nations tyrants, yet leaving out the fact that WE are also tyrants (just subtle and discreet tyrants)..the things they'll do to sell their wars..
Of course, they are no longer using government funds to promote terrorism against Israel. And I might add in the future it has allowed us to ween ourselves off of Saudi Arabia's Wahabi terrorist funding oil. We no longer have to fund terrorism against ourselves at the gas pump.
imperialist? if this was "imperialist" we would have colonized Iraq. You talk as if the people who served don't support the war, but in reality they are overwhelmingly supportive of the war. I think you are a victom of the poison pushed in the media that leads the viewer to believe the problem doesn't exist. I agree with D'souza that the mistakes were tactical mistakes.
@dmlauffer Hey guy, I served during Desert Storm. I didn't have an opinion at the time except being excited to be in a war, but I've grown up and learned things since then. The guys I served with weren't overwhelmingly supportive, most either didn't care or else thought it was stupid and wanted to go home.
I don't support these wars and there are many like me, so please don't try to speak for vets. Thanks.
I work closely with military personnel every day and from my experience they are overwhelmingly supportive of their efforts. They are also quite vocal about how they can't stand when people look down on them as if they are just idiots who take orders. I don't know how it was in the early 90's but this is how it is today, Bob. I don't speak for the vets but i know what i hear from military people on a daily basis.
@dmlauffer The only way you could work daily with military personnel fighting the war is if you're located in Afghanistan or Iraq. Otherwise they're just in safe areas not doing any fighting, much like civilians. I doubt the average GI changed much since the 90's. Try listening to Jeremy Morlock & others. Even Pat Tillman turned against the wars. Military suicides are way up.
The guys you talk to that take orders & support this war without questioning shouldn't be offended by the truth.
@FantasticBob7000 Not at all, believe it or not, some soldiers have served overseas and come home and many have been deployed several times. Most active duty soldiers i talk to have been deployed at least once. The war has been going on for 8 years you know. Don't be ridiculous.
the is a HUGE difference between Conservatives and NEOCONS, Conservatives are more about domestic issues and less government, Neocons seek to protect "Interests" of America by using other countries and their resources, or by preemptive strikes in order to "protect" the U.S. and its interests.
i agree..but this indian fuck sure as hell is a well-spoken manipulator huh?..up there implanting the idea that if we pull out we're weak. and that since we pulled out of vietnam we are weak. to these nutjobs, killing millions on innocent people, and maiming millions more is the best way to plant the seeds of democracy. labeling radical muslim nations tyrants, yet leaving out the fact that WE are also tyrants (just subtle and discreet tyrants)..the things they'll do to sell war.
Who could have imagined after getting killed, Trotsky actually succeeded in planting the seeds of the never ending revolution and corrupting the political system of this country.
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Dinesh D' Souze needs read the constitution at least once. Then afterwards he needs to be deported right away. Let him rant about his global liberty to his Hindu companion.
He fukin wipes his ass with it,,cant you tell the despotism in his eyes,,,he cant wait to see this country die...stomp on the descendants of Jackson and Franklin and Jefferson and say SEE YOU ARE WRONG FREEDOM WILL NOT REIGN ANYWHERE EVER...CAUSE I SAY SO I AM GOD LICK MY BOOTS,,
it's up to people who live in these countries, to free themselves,,,,
Kamalgikesk: Ann Coulter's cobwebbed bony crotch hasn't seen or felt a man meat for two decades now. She is a hack who'll do whatever it takes to sell another book. As for Dinesh the douche, he still needs to get deported regardless whether he is Christian or not. His international masters pay him well to keep nimrods like you in check. I suggest to put down the Kool-Aid and read a book at a local library about what true Conservatism is all about. What a waste of taxpayer money...
Kool -Aid? Ive hard many people using analogies with kool aid, but i dont get it? Ann coulter dated this guy, btw, and im pretty sure your dislike of dinesh d'souza is racially motivated, not christian at all
Ummmm yea...I figured you wouldn't understand but that ok. Just go back to bed and let little Dinesh to lal you to sleep. I guess those of us who aren't buying the crap coming out of his mouth are racist. And just because she was "dating" him, it doesn't mean Ms. Coulter got a lesson in the art of Kama Sutra.
I wish NeoCons would stop calling themselves "Neoconservative." That term is the most absurd oxymoron ever conceived. The term conservative was coined to describe persons that conserved traditional ideas and values - you can't have new conservatives. It's like a zebra trying to fuck a walrus - you just can't blend the socialized militarism of internationalist LeftRight with the traditional individualism of conservatism, because NeoConism requires citizens to be wage slaves to fund its invasions.
"Non-intervention is a useful thing, but it is subordinate to the primary principle of liberty." WHAT THE HELL?! These ignorant fools are just lying and murdering. These fascists want their empire, and if we don't stop them we'll all be enslaved. This is bullshit...
Well of course...I've found that most people I disagree with have great intentions. Even most communists want what's best for the people, but they just don't realize that it doesn't work.
Good word: sophist. He just twists everything, so as to convince, while omitting pertinent facts, such as the reasons why the shift went from rebellion against secular Arab governments to attacking the U.S. He also attempts to alter libertarian ideology, in order to win his argument. He keeps talking about liberty, but he wants us to impose our will on the middle east. The guy's full of shit, bottom line.
Actually if you read up on ancient Greek philosophy you'd see that the original sophists were a lot closer to the marxist critical theorists. Plato by contrast who opposed them has a strong resemblence to the neoconservatives of today.
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This guy is bullshit. Japan isn't free. Hell no one is free. We're all under the control of a global elite and they are fascist. A different subversive kind of fascist.
And any smart individual know 911 was a black op.
"This guy is bullshit. Japan isn't free. We're all under the control of a global elite and they are fascist. A different subversive kind of fascist."
If Japan is "fascist." Then based on how well their society works their brand of "fascism" looks pretty appealing. If you have a problem with something argue why don't just go an brand it "fascist."
Suit yourself. But I think they have a nice society. I think it's only second to America's. I mean if you look at how nicely they grow their economy and all with MITI some of their policies seem smart to me.
Amazing. Convincing, well articulated, believable. Only problem, none of it is based on fact but only theoretical assumptions. Assumptions that any objective intelligence official or reporter on the ground will tell you is entirely out of touch with reality. Oh...and Saudi Arabia is NOT a secular government...that is probably the most inaccurate statement of the century.
@covertone81 Well, Saudi Arabia is non-secular in that they have Sharia as the basis of their public codes, and that the country is essentially the furthest anyone can get in theocracy in the world today. However, he was mentioning the Saudi Royal family when he mentioned the phrase "secular tyranny". The Royals are actually extremely hated by Islamists in the country for their noted "playboy" lifestyle. In my opinion the country's system is a theocracy, but the family's rule is not.
why did japan tested biological weapons on chinese cities and did usa use the result untill nixon decided that biological warfare was irresponsible, the same president that ended the absolutistic bretton woods system? wasn't it nazistic politics that created the masshysteria when the ussr responded perfectly logically on the flexible response hence that she could damagae the cuban economy via an act of war(bloccade)? how can you justify operation fiend, paperclip and northwoods?
2:50, well imagine that in 1917 rothschild would not have frozen the credit of the prussian nobles and usa would have not tried to establish the bretton woods system eversince? hey, isn't it remarkable that hitler divided europe and gave usa the chance to abuse the weak position of the european nations hence that the bretton woods system was established?
Dinesh d'souza is an idiot to suggest that the kingdom is a secular dictatorship and he's an idiot to suggest that we should use force on Iran because of the weapons program, which scott ritter refutes( he's a nuclear inspector), and because it's a theocracy, not remember what brought them there in the first place.
i think d'souza is right about liberty. its obviously illogical to speak of non-intervention overriding liberty if, like ron paul, you claim to be a libertarian..
having said that: is the US truly in a position to sow the seed of democracy in iraq..no i think not..see john keane on youtube re: the origin of democratic praxes in islam..power sharing and what not.. its an eye-opener..better than the tin-eye-openers of war..
Ron Paul's point is that we need to take care of liberty here at home before we go trying to spread it all over the world (not that I or you are really dumb enough to believe spreading liberty is the primary interest of U.S. interventionalist policy...). We can't spread any liberty when we are bankrupted from all the wars we get ourselves into.
Conservative and militancy is not synonymous. Liberty IS non-intervention. We did not attack Germany or Japan to give them liberty, it was self defense. This fool believes that muslim democracy is even possible. Iran has Islamic Republicanism as close as it will ever get, and he hates them. I know history, and it keeps repeating itself.
Mr. D'Souza has a distored view of Libertarianism, and non-interventionism. Libertarians want Liberty for their own nation. Sure, we'd love the rest of the world to have "Liberty", but we cannot force it upon people, especially when it would be detrimental to our own nation. Another strong belief of a Libertarians is a sound economic and budgetary policy. Wasting vast amounts of money imposing "freedom" on a nation that did not attack us is not sound fiscal policy. We simply cannot afford it.
Can't believe he can qualify as an academic! He is filled with intellectual dishonesty with his arguments. Choosing Germany and Japan as an example to support enforcing democracy at the point of a bayonet stinks of sample bias!
TKKTism 1 week ago
"Muslim Democracy?" Nice concept, I guess. In reality, what is going on in Iraq four years later is nothing like the fabled "Muslim Democracy." In fact, UNLIKE Saddam Hussein's regime (which was SECULAR), they NOW have Shariah Law - thanks to us, and Christians are fleeing or being persecuted/killed.
miazagora 2 weeks ago
He asked the question of Libertarians if we should intervene abroad to secure liberty. We never have to intervene abroad to secure liberty for ourselves. He doesn't say anything about the Constitution and CAN we intervene - he just asks if we should. Maybe he should read the Constitution some time. It's not long or difficult to understand. When did we decide that the Constitution was something we could take or leave? I didn't vote for that.
miazagora 2 weeks ago
another harvard yale prick in a suit!
becij13 1 month ago
I lost him at "human nature".
crypticnivek 1 month ago
AGAIN, because the parliment asked us to, that means we have the right to go in an overthrow a democratically elected president in Iran. So I guess we can do just about anything as long as someone asks us to do it. We can go wage a war somewhere and kill a million people, but it's not our fault, someone asked us to do it. It should have been the people of Iran who decided in their next election if they wanted him as president, and not the CIA and the wealthy parliment.
Jshect 1 month ago
I am really concerned about the situation we've gotten ourselves in. These neocons will do anything possible, tell any lie they think they can get away with, to have the federal government do it's bidding. These damn neocons global ambitions could, in worst possible scenario, lead to an all out nuclear war in ther middle east, and some of those nukes could land in America. The neocons just think it's a game. They sit in their comfortable chairs in their offices while millions die.
Jshect 1 month ago
He just completely changed the definition of Libertarianism. He hijacked the word libertarian. The US somehow, desperately need to rid ourselves of these neocons. It doesn't matter whether a democrat or republican is in office or control congress at any given time, the neocons are always there. The wars they have gotten us into so far have been complete disasters, and their solution to that, MORE WARS? The neocons are like a pesky fly that just won't leave you alone. Time to get a flyswatter!
Jshect 1 month ago
The Civil War wasn't necessary to free the slaves.
miazagora 3 months ago
"Freedom Fest" - a gathering of neocons is called "Freedom Fest?"
miazagora 3 months ago
Ron Paul's disgusted face=priceless!
screwchinaify 4 months ago
Promotion of liberty abroad undermines liberty at home.
MrFlintlox 4 months ago
In your description it says prevent "collapse of the economy" in 2007. Lol
santran 5 months ago
Neocons advocate WAR ultimately. They prepare for it with massive investment. Nothing to do with freedom. It's about imperialism and conquer, in this case for oil and Israel. This should be of great concern for America and for the West, because it devides the world into 2 camps. Judeo-Christian against all else. Hundreds and perhaps billions of people waring with each other. Nuclear hell. Not much will be left afterwards.
JohnnyRock2000 7 months ago
While D'Souza might be wrong about Saudi Arabia being secular in any way, he's correct about everything else.
Bush could've just killed a few terrorists in Afghanistan after 9/11 and called it a day. But that wouldn't have made us safe. We needed Saddam Hussein gone, and the Middle East restructured - to embrace the 21st century, and modernity, and liberty, and to dispel their rulers.
The Arab Spring you all saw this year would never have happened without the liberation of Iraq.
joba606 7 months ago
@joba606 I agree.
azzamalbritani 7 months ago
@joba606 Are you kidding me about D'Souze. First of all he hijacked the word libertarian. He lied about why bin laden attacked us. Bin Laden even said HIMSELF, he attacked us because of our constant meddling in the middle east and our unconditional military and finanancial support for thuggish Isreal. Now we want a democratic Iran. We helped overthrow the only democractically elected governemt Iran ever had in 1953. The US has always supported cruel dictators who do favors for us.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect Understand first that Bin Laden's anger was HIS alone.
The king of Saudi Arabia BEGGED President George H. W. Bush to come and stop Saddam Hussein's forces from rolling straight through Kuwait into his country.
Bin Laden later said he was furious the American troops were "dragging their filthy (non-Muslim...infidel) feet through the land of the two holy places (Mecca and Medina)".
Even though the U.S. was asked to go there by the king, Bin Laden blamed US...and NOT the king.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 I don't think Bin Laden and other muslims were mad at the US because of one incident. They are mad because of 60 years of constant meddling in the M.E, because the weapons Hussein were using against Kuwait, were given to him by us when he was our friend 10 years ealier. They and I are sick of this bs, when we befriend brutal tyrannts, give them money,weapns. military training, money that helps finance their dictatorships, and then years later attack them in the name of democracy.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect According to SIPRI, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States gave Saddam Hussein about 5% of his total arsenal. 95% of his arsenal he got from Russia and China.
America arming Saddam is another left-wing lie about America I have to discredit over and over again.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 So you are saying because we were asked to fight Saddam that gives a right to go wage a war. So it's not our fault we went to war, Bin Laden shouldn't blame us, we were asked to go to war, so what else could poor America do. LOL Oh man, you could be a neocon in one of their thinktanks because you're good with facts and you're willing to say anything to prove your point. I'll get to your other comments later. I am still waiting on that definition of libertarianism.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect You seem to really want to revise history.
Saddam's forces invaded Kuwait without provocation and was heading straight towards Saudi Arabia.
Saddam Hussein was the aggressor. Not us.
joba606 1 month ago
@Jshect At Dictionary-dot-com...
Libertarian = libertarian
1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.
2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will.
Your definition of being a libertarian seems to mean that you believe everyone should be free and live in freedom...unless a Republican president try to export it abroad.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 Well then I'll admit, I was misinformed about the % of support we gave to Saddam in the 80's, but my point remains the same. I don't care if we gave him 100% of his arsenal or 1%, we were still supplying a ruthless dictator with weapons. A DICTATOR, not a democratically elected president. So that basically negates the neocon LIE, that we just want to promote democracy in Iraq.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect What you've forgotten is that we didn't give Saddam Hussein any weapons just to see what he would do with them.
Iran had stormed our embassy and taken hostages. Iraq was at war with Iran at that time.
We helped Saddam, our ally at that time, in order to defeat Iran, our enemy at that time.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 We don't care what type of government is in Iraq, democracy or dictatorship, as long as they will do what we tell them. The neocons love to say they want democracy because of freedom, but they really want it because it will be easy to manipulate. If a democratic government were established, the neocons and the elites would be there in 2 seconds with their money and their influence determining the outcome elections, just like they do in this country.
Jshect 1 month ago
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@joba606 AGAIN, because the parliment asked us to, that means we have the right to go in an overthrow a democratically elected president in Iran. So I guess we can do just about anything as long as someone asks us to do it. We can go wage a war somewhere and kill a million people, but it's not our fault, someone asked us to do it. It should have been the people of Iran who decided in their next election if they wanted him as president, and not the CIA and the wealthy parliment.
Jshect 1 month ago
@joba606 Iran finally had a DEMOCRACY. Maybe it wasn't perfect. Hell, our democracy is nothing but a 2 party dictatorship. They were on the right track. And CIA went in there, like they've done all over the world, and helped stage a coup and now look at Iran today. We're partly responsible for the way they are today. Now we want to go overthrow their governent again and the pattern will repeat itself. How do we know Iran won't end up like Iraq? This is just crazy.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect 'And CIA went in there, like they've done all over the world, and helped stage a coup and now look at Iran today.'
Rigging one election in 1953 did NOT alter Iran's future forever.
Iran's problem has ALWAYS been the dictatorial control by the Mullahs.
THAT is Iran's biggest problem...then AND now.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 Yes, I do think if the oil is in your country you should have a right to say "we're kicking BP out and keeping the oil for ourselves. Why would you think for a second BP has more of a right to Iranian oil, the Iran does? Do you really think a crooked oil company and and few powerful people in Iran should be the only ones benefiting from that oil. The people elected their president so he could nationalize the oil and share the wealth it generated with all of Iran.
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect It is one thing to cancel their contract with the British, compensate them, ask them to leave, and then drill for your own oil.
It's another to take the money they gave you to drill and export the oil they find, and then keep the oil and all their profits.
That's not 'nationalizing' - that's theft, pure and simple.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 Oh, don't even get me started on Israel. I'll deal with the peaceful founding of that benevolent country tomorrow.
Jshect 1 month ago
@joba606 I can't believe the way the neocons and you are willing to lie in order to keep this neocon insanity going. You said everything he said was the truth. Most of what he said were lies. I want you to look up the definition of libertarianism, the way it has been defined for the past 100 years and compare that to the sleezy way he twisted the definition into something that supports his nonlibertarian viewpoints. The civil war was not fought over slavery. That is a PC liberal and neocon lie
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect The most important Neocon maxim is this: democracies don't go to war with eachother, they go to the negotiating table instead.
The more democracies on this planet there are, the less wars we'll ever have to fight.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 And as I pointed out already, we don't care about democracy. We are willing to support brutal Tyrants as long as they appear to be on ourside. Some great examples are in Africa today. he said we are only trying to promote democracy in Iraq. Our CIA has been involved in all of these recent revolutions like Libya, and they're stirring things up in Egypt, Iran.. Oh the lies and half-truths the neocons tell. Almost every reason they give you for their ideological positions are half-truths
Jshect 1 month ago
@Jshect In 1951 the Shah of Iran stepped down, and was succeeded by Mohammed Mossadeq. Mossadeq became a disaster.
He confiscated all of the British-owned oil fields that Britain had paid millions of pounds for, and claimed all the oil that the Brits dug up would go to Iran.
Britain AND members of the Iranian parliament complained to President Eisenhower, and asked him to help in any way he could...without any violence.
So he ordered the CIA to steal the election and toss Mossadeq.
joba606 1 month ago
@joba606 British-owned oil fields? The oil fields were in Iran, they were Iran's natural resources. The oil fields should have belonged to the people of Iran, not a wealthy British oil company. The people of Iran were not benefitting from their oil fields. The British oil company and some leaders in the Iranian government were. Mossadeq took the oil and gave it back to the people. He had the support of the people. It was not our right to intervene just for the benefit of a British oil company.
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joba606 1 month ago
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@Jshect Your argument here doesn't make any sense.
If an Iranian company got permission to build an office building or factory here in the States, and eventually made $100 million dollars...
What if the federal government came along and said,"This is American money. We're taking all of it and keeping it here, because it belongs here."
Would YOU be OK with that?
Ever heard of 'free trade'?
The Brits PAID Iran to drill there and PAID Iran to keep the oil that they found there.
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@Jshect The first day Israel was created, the 5 surrounding Arab nations ALL declared war on the Jewish nation, and Israel's been at war from the 350 million Arabs and Muslims surrounding her, ever since.
Israel is a democracy, and it's parliament, the Knesset, has many Arabs and Muslims in it.
How many Jews are in Iran's parliament? Jordan's? Libya's? Egypt's? Saudi Arabia's?
Don't make me laugh.
joba606 1 month ago
There's something about the Christain Right in America and the word "secular" - they just can't get their heads around it. How the hell is Saudi Arabia "secular"? Dinesh may be better served looking up the word "Wahhabi". What a tool.
azzamalbritani 9 months ago
Dinesh you are most nonsense person I have ever heard. You body language shows you are full of lie.
maximo1234567890000 11 months ago
where to begin with a creepy puke like this ?? the depths that some will stoop to ,to further their own interests is staggering,the rationale further still.do they expect people to fall for this shite because they couch their arguments this way.strip it all away and this guy is a pimp for thieves and murderers.
hotstixx 11 months ago
Why is bad for a country to pursue policies that will benefit its own economy? Everyone does it, its called self-interest. Yall are hypocrites, you live in this life of luxury and get mad/outraged upon seeing what fuels it.
Pimping freedom aint easy or pretty.
44warjunkie 1 year ago 6
I wonder how many tours the speaker plans to do in Iraq. Pure garbage spoken by pure garbage!
johnsammyanfal 1 year ago
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@johnsammyanfal ~ I am assuming that whatever they say, you have already made up your mind ... and that-is-that? right?
lector0003 1 year ago
Purely pathological. "What's the Libertarian position on this... to sit back blah blah". Buddy you just summed up the conflict of Iran gaining control of Iraq because you and a few college friends got stars in your eyes about "spreading democracy". These people will truly destroy the world one day.
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kolar 1 year ago
Call them what they were. Neocons were Jews, Zionists and pro-Zionists that America was foolish enough to allow close enough to power to seize it. Bush was not a Neocon, but was manipulated by them. Bush power - Neocon power, same thing. Neocons scurried back to they so-called think tanks and will rise again under another name but will remain Israel's right-wing lapdog.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 Jews will conquer you all Israel will blow iran off the map HAHAHAHA
biggerturtle 1 year ago
Saudi Arabia : a secular tyranny?
You are nothing but a an apologist for big corporations. All the talk about Democracy looses steam when you use it in context of imposing it wherever your interests dictate it.
Paykar10 1 year ago
WOW, he doesn't use theory to argue objective facts, he does the opposite, and then suggests what will happen as part of his guesswork, but for the future
thing is, that comment about active attempts to coup their governments and set up muslim countries...
PERFECTLY in line with their strategies, motives, and what they said
if I were a strategic player in that area that's what I would do, I know that much
also helps I held much of his view previously, but still... :P
noobler9 1 year ago
coming into this, I remember dinesh did something about politics I disagreed with, as well as a debate with daniel dennett which I *also* disagreed with, I'll post what I think after listening to him in 10 minutes
noobler9 1 year ago
What a sorry piece of trash. He needs to get his sissy war mongering ass kicked by a combat veteran.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago 2
@FantasticBob7000 The majority of combat veterans would slap your stupid cowardly ass around. Don't pretend your tough. Stop trying to pretend you care about what the men-at-arms think.
I hope somebody important to you becomes a victim of Islamism. Maybe you will stop seeing the Islamists as harmless or somebody else's problem if they impinge on your selfishness.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Well well, if it isn't the chickenhawk youtube squad. Typically spamming to mask your low numbers. Your family & friends must've all been killed by Muslims huh, you poor victim. I know what neocons are so the question is are you one of them or one of their suckers. Got buddies in Israel maybe? Your American patriot pretense is as fake as your tough talk Rambo, I can see it a mile away so don't try your crap with me.
So glad you care about veterans, you're talking to one.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 I don't care if your a veteran, lots of men who have done great things are afflicted my stupidity and pettiness. You are just one of the many.
I have no American patriotic pretenses, I couldn't care less about which representative of western society deals with Islamism. I am a Canadian. We are active in Kandahar province, Afghanistan. I wish the Europeans would show a little more gusto, too.
You have said nothing really of substance so I cant really reply more than that.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Huh, I thought you cared about veterans. I thought you "care about what the men-at-arms think." Was all that just a bunch of bs then? Also like the part about you being too smart to comment. Your genius probably hasn't figured out your neocon heroes are Trotskyists. So again the question is are you a neocon or one of their idiot followers? I'm guessing you're one of the many. Good luck to you hero, I'm sure you're serving in the Canadian army fighting bravely in Kandahar.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 You struggle with understanding a lot?
First, I said that you should stop trying to care what the men-at-arms think. That doesn't mean that I do care. I thought I would point that out, though I do care what they think.
Second, I didn't say that I didn't care what they think, either. I said I don't care if you are a veteran or which members of western society fight Islamism.
Lastly, I said you have said nothing of substance for me to reply to. Ditto here.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason I didn't think Canadian soldiers serving in Kandahar had that much free time to spend surfing youtube.
When you figure out what you care about let me know.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 You are boring.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Oh come on now Leon, that's no response worthy of the great neocon thinkers. What would Mr. Strauss think of you giving up like that? Where's the global theory explaining my evil reactionary attitude? At least you could spew a couple more antisemitism accusations or holocaust rants, no? Maybe another pitch or two for glorious Israel? Nothing?
Maybe that's why you're working the youtube shift, the think tanks demand better efforts than this.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 You didn't say anything, again. You invited me to tell you what I care about. I made it clear already. Islamism is more threatening than Communism in its zeal and fanaticism and if those fuckers get a bomb, they will use it. They aren't created by us, they are created by a religion that imagines a world administered by them. Where the infidel may exist, but under their rule.
This Islamic notion motivates manipulative men to take advantage of Muslim suffering to this end.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Hmm, manipulative men to take advantage of Muslim suffering to their end. You sure you meant Muslim and not Jewish? Because you said the Palestinians are lucky and you never mentioned Muslim suffering before. So you must have meant Jewish suffering. Your sentence would make more sense that way too.
Look, it’s been fun but you're pretty much playing the neocon tape again from the start. You can move on to spamming other videos now, you’ve lost my interest.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Yah, just because Jews suffered that logically and Palestinians are lucky to be mistreated only as much as they are, it follows that no Muslim has ever suffered. Your reason is sound.
You lost my interest a long time ago and then exhorted me to continue responding. As long as people like you are not utterly humiliated with your stupid arguments and points of view, people like me will be forced to do this to you. Dont pretend you dont know what I mean.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Ha ha ha ha ok you got my interest again, you're utterly humiliating me, is that what you're trying to do? I know neocons are delusional but you're making a huge ass of yourself. You didn't even get the point about using Jewish suffering for ulterior motives.
It's cute how powerless dumbasses like you are actually funny, it just turns serious when smarter versions get in positions of power.
Go ahead and "humiliate" me some more tough guy, a little comic relief is a good thing.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Again, no substance. Summary of what you said:
You think your good but your delusional. You missed my point, but I am going to continue laboring to tell you your not good because I am extremely insecure.
And you ought to be, but how do I reply to that? I want to help you, pal, but untill you drop your anti-American / anti-Israeli zealotry, I can't help you. Go to a leftist witch doctor. He will arm you with some cliche slogans and the term "islamophobe". You'll be good.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason Is this the part where you're utterly humiliating me?
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 You humiliate yourself when you claim to be knowledgable where you are not. That you have been reduced too often to saying nothing of substance is not because you are wise in the matter; it is because you haven't thought things through thorougly enough.
If I claimed that some 'sissy' ought to be beaten up for expressing his views in a country with freedom of speech, I would make sure to have a lot of substance supporting this claim. You have nothing.To me, that is humiliating.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason How's this for facts genius. The neocons aren't conservatives at all. They are Trotskyists, which they dont' like to admit. Trotskyism is fundamentalist Marxism. Neocons were big government democrats before they hijacked the republican party.
You're not really an Irish Canadian are you? You don't talk like one, Canadians don't care about your bs issues, and Irishmen know how to fight.
So why don't you come clean? Or would that be too humiliating for you?
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Neocons are not Trotskyists, they consider themselves socially liberal generally. They believe in the values of classic liberalism and even some progressive notions including the welfare state perhaps. But they are not monolithic. Some support healthcare, some dont. The difference between them and a liberal is they consider themselves liberals 'mugged by reality'.
I am half Irish, as I said. I suppose race means a lot to you. Interesting.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason A Muslim-hating war-mongering non-military-serving torture-happy Zionist racist just insinuated I'm racist. I'm screwed.
Try out this scenario. With a renewed patriotism, the US carpet bombs Israel for the USS Liberty and everything since. You and D'Souza locked up in Gitmo without charges. You get your ass kicked daily again like in high school. On weekends you get tortured. All legally under the laws you've been pushing.
America is happy again. The world is at peace.
: )
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Well, if hating Islamism is hating Islam in your books, then I am afraid that you, yet again, are the bigot; for I believe Islam can be brought under control in the same way that Judaism and Christianity were reigned in. I never advocated torture, you invented that because your stupid and a liar. I am not a Zionist or a racist.
Me n D'Souza - all we are doing is talking. We didn't murder or plot to murder anyone.
America would be happy if your kin didnt exist.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason So pretentious about being well read, yet so ignorant. I upset you by slamming your buddy D'Souza, yet you're unaware he advocates torture. You don't even realize the neocons you worship are the people that brought the world communism and global war. Just like they're doing now. Your precious Judaism is alive and well in Israeli settlements, far from reigned in.
Freedom of speech is limited to yelling fire in a theater. And pimping armageddon. And dragging down my country.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Well - the leftist movements of the 1900s that bred so-called 'intellectuals' like Lenin were responsible for world communism. The Neocons had nothing to do with that. Global war has existed since the dawn of civilization, so they didn't bring that. Israeli settlements are far less ridiculous than suicide bombing, when you consider how small Israel is and that an equal number of Jews left middle eastern countries as Palestinians live in Palestine.
Freedom of speech is absolute
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You're funny. People didn't know about the earth globe at the dawn of civilization, wars were regional until the west colonized the planet.
Free speech is absolute? Neos are too "sophisticated" to believe that stuff. So again are you a neo or a retard follower? If you've championed the cause of Western Europeans locked up for questioning the "holocaust" you'd be ... someone else. Funny gibberish about Israel too.
Commies are neocons with different name & predate the 1900's.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Oh, OK. So knowledge and contact with the entire planet instead of just a little parochial world is the Neocons fault.
Free speech is absolute and any Neocon would support that. That is why they are quick to advocate war is because they fear any world in which western rights and freedoms are not holy and sanctified.
Lastly, again, you show a fundamental misunderstanding of Neoconservatism when you equate it to Communism. Neocons came about in opposition to the USSR.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason The neocons lost control of the USSR when Stalin wiped out the Bolsheviks and whacked Trotsky. They wanted to use Russia's power for their global domination dreams and ruined the country, just like they're doing with the US.
Like in the past, there's no better pretext for war than humanitarianism. Kill a few ragheads because you love them, huh?
I tried explaining earlier that crap doesn't work on me but I guess it works on you. I don't think you're faking at this point.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Neither Trotsky nor Lenin were Neoconservatives. They had never heard the term before; they didnt love and value liberal rights and freedoms nor did they promote capitalism.
The only similarity between the two groups is their worldly ambitions; the one for international socialism and the other for international liberal democracy. In this respect, then, they are the same as Islamism. Your logic is sloppy.
Killing ragheads for America doesn't make sense and I never said it did.
countertreason 1 year ago
@countertreason You get hung up on terminology a lot don't you.
Like I said, not too bright.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
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@FantasticBob7000 Ya, dont let the facts get in the way of your ignorant rant.
countertreason 1 year ago
Dinesh D'Souza is nothing but a tool to the Neocon psuedo conservatives. God to these people is nothing more than a commodity to be exploited so that the gullible double digit IQ christians will fall lock stock and barrel for whatever schemes they have in mind.
One should never forget that the Neocon ideology is an ideology of war, guns, oil, and exploitation.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
@LordMalice6d9 Or perhaps one should read neoconservative theory before making extremely ignorant pronouncements about it. I am going to throw this out there and you and I will both know what the answer is: how much Irving Kristol have you read? How much of Douglas Murray have you listened to?
After answering, "virtually none", ask yourself a followup question, "How does my opinion about what comprises neoconservatism mean anything when I have made no effort to learn about it?"
countertreason 1 year ago
Neo cons will want to fry his Brown ass if he wasnt sucking on them like this...LOL
aniketranade 1 year ago
@aniketranade ROFL
BlackNGoldBuff13 1 year ago
@aniketranade Um, he is a neocon.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Democracy does not necessarily lead to freedom but freedom always leads to democracy. The people of a nation must fight for their own freedom when they are ready. Do not have it instigated on them or else they will not be willing to fight to keep it. If neocons cared so much about people under tyranny on the other side of the world they would not start wars which create thousands of innocent casualties. Instead they should promote freedom by example and open our borders to refugees.
rkp102 1 year ago
@rkp102 We should have let Japan and German fight for their own freedom. Italy, too. We should have allowed communism to engulf the south of Korea as well. They would be better off under communism. What about that? The effort we put in to save the south of Korea has made South Korea. Would you oppose the intervention to prevent those good people from being subject to 'Dear Leader'?
The western world cannot continue to be the only bright spots of humanity on the planet. Not forever.
countertreason 1 year ago
Ron Paul 2012 ! One of the few who will stand against the neo conservatives !
crackaAttacka10 1 year ago
Libertarianism would be the ideal political philosophy if it had answers to these two questions:
1.What do we do about Foreign Policy?
2.What do we do about all the hungry kids?
Until libertarians bring arguments and solutions to these questions they will never resonate with the masses. If that makes me a Neocon, then democracy and capitalism for all!
P.S. George Bush didn't organize 9-11 you conspiracy theory nutjobs.
ped05fsu 1 year ago
He is bringing up the old 'domino effect' argument again. You know, if Vietnam becomes communist, the whole world will fall to communism...
The argument that the Iraq war was to create a muslim democratic example is also quite transparrent. That could have been done in Afghanistan. Why start another war?
The whole world knows why US attacked Iraq.
AngeCord 1 year ago
Absolutely outstanding speech.
joba606 1 year ago
We didnt create frredom during WWII with force, we defended it. We didnt attack them, they attacked us. After we fought back then we rebuilt them and created democracies with policy and dialouge.
dac8555 2 years ago
the most unfree part of the world is the middle-east?
And what makes democratic countries so free? What is democracy? It's just another name for kapitalism/zionism/neo-conservatism.
Is an American so free? Nobody in America is free, everybody is afraid by his neighbour for having a gun and shoot one down. What democracy is America talking about. America should first of all democratize itself. Controlling the media and one way politics is not democracy.
delii83 2 years ago
They are extremists!-)
NoviBeograd25 2 years ago
NEOCONS DOWN!!!
NoviBeograd25 2 years ago
Theory and practice are two different things. Those secular tyrannies are supported by the US, the Islamic tyrant is a reaction to US Intervention.
dex1142 2 years ago
wow very inspiring. but he neglected to mention another remarkable quote made by bin laden: that his intentions for 9/11 were to lure america into the middle east so that they could be bogged down into an unwinnable war and bleed them of their economic power and international clout. self-respect, though admirable, is all that the neocons ideologues are going to have after this plays out. america will be in dire straits and with the exception of the mil. ind. compl. no one will be glad we stayed.
ConsuescoCoaegresco 2 years ago
i think its interesting that dick cheney knew this fiasco would happen in the 80s. he only became optimistic once he became involved with haliburton and a number of other defense contractors that he thought war with iraq may be a good idea. the national security council during the bush wars was a giant bed filled with myriad special intrest reps from big oil, war profiteers to imf neolibs. iraq was a pillage and this guy's admirable rhetoric does not represent the reality of bush and co.s intent
ConsuescoCoaegresco 2 years ago
actions speak for themselves
ConsuescoCoaegresco 2 years ago
no, you can promote both freedom and equality by allowing internal democratic forces to subvert regimes......iranian dictatorship supported by the us was subverted my mass popular movements for example
gsingh5 2 years ago
Japan isn't Iraq. I think we got lucky in Japan. Not something you can just rinse and repeat at will. Neocons have tried to put a square peg into a round hole for too long. We are not "weak" when we back away. Reagan did it. . .
weggingt 2 years ago
I'm a neolibertarian (abbreviated "neolib").
MaverickWhig 2 years ago 2
I generally like Dinesh but he dropped the ball on this one.
steve0281 2 years ago
It's all imperialist bullshit. Can the conservative intelligensia do anything but espouse the same pro-war tough talk using the same buzzwords (freedom/liberty)? All this generalizing & denigrating Muslim values and tough talk from "Christian" people who mostly haven't served in the military, but are SO ready to push our kids into war. Stop with the war movie over-compensating and show me you believe in American values by supporting politicians who give our troops the support they have earned.
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i agree..but this indian fuck sure as hell is a well-spoken manipulator huh?..up there implanting the idea that if we pull out we're weak. and that since we pulled out of vietnam we are weak. to these nutjobs, killing millions on innocent people, and maiming millions more is the best way to plant the seeds of democracy. labeling radical muslim nations tyrants, yet leaving out the fact that WE are also tyrants (just subtle and discreet tyrants)..the things they'll do to sell their wars..
itzahazylife 2 years ago
He wasn't denigrating Muslim values. He was arguing that we give them a form of Islamic democracy.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Yeah, giving Iraq a dose of 'democracy' proved to be very beneficial didn't it?
ESA21 2 years ago
Of course, they are no longer using government funds to promote terrorism against Israel. And I might add in the future it has allowed us to ween ourselves off of Saudi Arabia's Wahabi terrorist funding oil. We no longer have to fund terrorism against ourselves at the gas pump.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Right...
all that for increased sectarian violence, further political instability and religious prosecution of the Christian Iraqis.
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JohananRaatz 2 years ago
imperialist? if this was "imperialist" we would have colonized Iraq. You talk as if the people who served don't support the war, but in reality they are overwhelmingly supportive of the war. I think you are a victom of the poison pushed in the media that leads the viewer to believe the problem doesn't exist. I agree with D'souza that the mistakes were tactical mistakes.
dmlauffer 2 years ago
@dmlauffer Hey guy, I served during Desert Storm. I didn't have an opinion at the time except being excited to be in a war, but I've grown up and learned things since then. The guys I served with weren't overwhelmingly supportive, most either didn't care or else thought it was stupid and wanted to go home.
I don't support these wars and there are many like me, so please don't try to speak for vets. Thanks.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000
I work closely with military personnel every day and from my experience they are overwhelmingly supportive of their efforts. They are also quite vocal about how they can't stand when people look down on them as if they are just idiots who take orders. I don't know how it was in the early 90's but this is how it is today, Bob. I don't speak for the vets but i know what i hear from military people on a daily basis.
dmlauffer 1 year ago
@dmlauffer The only way you could work daily with military personnel fighting the war is if you're located in Afghanistan or Iraq. Otherwise they're just in safe areas not doing any fighting, much like civilians. I doubt the average GI changed much since the 90's. Try listening to Jeremy Morlock & others. Even Pat Tillman turned against the wars. Military suicides are way up.
The guys you talk to that take orders & support this war without questioning shouldn't be offended by the truth.
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000
No, Jackass, I work right outside Ft. Carson Colorado for a company that contractor. I talk to military people every single day. Youre a hack.
dmlauffer 1 year ago
@dmlauffer Ft. Carson Colorado is oceans away from the war zone, isn't it? Didn't you just prove my point?
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago
@FantasticBob7000 Not at all, believe it or not, some soldiers have served overseas and come home and many have been deployed several times. Most active duty soldiers i talk to have been deployed at least once. The war has been going on for 8 years you know. Don't be ridiculous.
dmlauffer 1 year ago
the is a HUGE difference between Conservatives and NEOCONS, Conservatives are more about domestic issues and less government, Neocons seek to protect "Interests" of America by using other countries and their resources, or by preemptive strikes in order to "protect" the U.S. and its interests.
Neoconservatism is fucking BULLSHIT
manny4life 3 years ago
i agree..but this indian fuck sure as hell is a well-spoken manipulator huh?..up there implanting the idea that if we pull out we're weak. and that since we pulled out of vietnam we are weak. to these nutjobs, killing millions on innocent people, and maiming millions more is the best way to plant the seeds of democracy. labeling radical muslim nations tyrants, yet leaving out the fact that WE are also tyrants (just subtle and discreet tyrants)..the things they'll do to sell war.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
dinesh and ann should have went through with their wedding they could have had such a deformed bundle of hate by now!
vixvix801 3 years ago
"dinesh and ann should have went through with their wedding they could have had such a deformed bundle of hate by now!"
How does Dinesh seem "hateful" to you? I've actually met him and he's a very nice guy.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Who could have imagined after getting killed, Trotsky actually succeeded in planting the seeds of the never ending revolution and corrupting the political system of this country.
shiftstart 3 years ago
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Dinesh D' Souze needs read the constitution at least once. Then afterwards he needs to be deported right away. Let him rant about his global liberty to his Hindu companion.
shiftstart 3 years ago
He fukin wipes his ass with it,,cant you tell the despotism in his eyes,,,he cant wait to see this country die...stomp on the descendants of Jackson and Franklin and Jefferson and say SEE YOU ARE WRONG FREEDOM WILL NOT REIGN ANYWHERE EVER...CAUSE I SAY SO I AM GOD LICK MY BOOTS,,
it's up to people who live in these countries, to free themselves,,,,
AngriestAmerican 3 years ago
He is an indian american christian...what is your problem? Are you jealous that a nerd like him is able to fuck a beauty like Ann Coulter? I think so
kamalgilkesk 3 years ago
Kamalgikesk: Ann Coulter's cobwebbed bony crotch hasn't seen or felt a man meat for two decades now. She is a hack who'll do whatever it takes to sell another book. As for Dinesh the douche, he still needs to get deported regardless whether he is Christian or not. His international masters pay him well to keep nimrods like you in check. I suggest to put down the Kool-Aid and read a book at a local library about what true Conservatism is all about. What a waste of taxpayer money...
shiftstart 3 years ago
Kool -Aid? Ive hard many people using analogies with kool aid, but i dont get it? Ann coulter dated this guy, btw, and im pretty sure your dislike of dinesh d'souza is racially motivated, not christian at all
kamalgilkesk 3 years ago 2
Ummmm yea...I figured you wouldn't understand but that ok. Just go back to bed and let little Dinesh to lal you to sleep. I guess those of us who aren't buying the crap coming out of his mouth are racist. And just because she was "dating" him, it doesn't mean Ms. Coulter got a lesson in the art of Kama Sutra.
shiftstart 3 years ago
Ron Paul calls himself a Constitutionalist, not a libertarian. That is why he favors noninterventionism.
thirdwheelfilms 3 years ago
I wish NeoCons would stop calling themselves "Neoconservative." That term is the most absurd oxymoron ever conceived. The term conservative was coined to describe persons that conserved traditional ideas and values - you can't have new conservatives. It's like a zebra trying to fuck a walrus - you just can't blend the socialized militarism of internationalist LeftRight with the traditional individualism of conservatism, because NeoConism requires citizens to be wage slaves to fund its invasions.
windward619 3 years ago
"That term is the most absurd oxymoron ever conceived."
Kind of like the term "progressive" hey?
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
"Non-intervention is a useful thing, but it is subordinate to the primary principle of liberty." WHAT THE HELL?! These ignorant fools are just lying and murdering. These fascists want their empire, and if we don't stop them we'll all be enslaved. This is bullshit...
Keitel87 3 years ago
Well of course...I've found that most people I disagree with have great intentions. Even most communists want what's best for the people, but they just don't realize that it doesn't work.
HerrSchenkel 3 years ago
this man is very well articulated and intelligent, but perhaps too simplistic in his overview of 20th century history.
FighterOfFascism 3 years ago 2
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Thats horrible logic. It's called a retrograded argument that cherry picks soft truths in order to infer a valid a conclusion.
Spectre11B 3 years ago
Good word: sophist. He just twists everything, so as to convince, while omitting pertinent facts, such as the reasons why the shift went from rebellion against secular Arab governments to attacking the U.S. He also attempts to alter libertarian ideology, in order to win his argument. He keeps talking about liberty, but he wants us to impose our will on the middle east. The guy's full of shit, bottom line.
CharmingMan27 3 years ago
Actually if you read up on ancient Greek philosophy you'd see that the original sophists were a lot closer to the marxist critical theorists. Plato by contrast who opposed them has a strong resemblence to the neoconservatives of today.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
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This man is a sophist. It scares me that someone seemingly so soft-spoken can promote such violent ideas.
JoeCitizensBlues 3 years ago
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This guy is bullshit. Japan isn't free. Hell no one is free. We're all under the control of a global elite and they are fascist. A different subversive kind of fascist.
And any smart individual know 911 was a black op.
MustacheVerra 3 years ago
"This guy is bullshit. Japan isn't free. We're all under the control of a global elite and they are fascist. A different subversive kind of fascist."
If Japan is "fascist." Then based on how well their society works their brand of "fascism" looks pretty appealing. If you have a problem with something argue why don't just go an brand it "fascist."
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Did i write this?! lol...
Their society might work well but i wouldn't leave in it!
MustacheVerra 3 years ago
Suit yourself. But I think they have a nice society. I think it's only second to America's. I mean if you look at how nicely they grow their economy and all with MITI some of their policies seem smart to me.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
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Maybe Neocons should focus their attention on 9/11 and the fact that it's CLEARLY an inside job. American tyrany rules our world.
LegrosD1983 3 years ago
do the ends justify the means?
..i dont think so.
sexdrugsRnR 3 years ago
Amazing. Convincing, well articulated, believable. Only problem, none of it is based on fact but only theoretical assumptions. Assumptions that any objective intelligence official or reporter on the ground will tell you is entirely out of touch with reality. Oh...and Saudi Arabia is NOT a secular government...that is probably the most inaccurate statement of the century.
covertone81 3 years ago 2
@covertone81 Well, Saudi Arabia is non-secular in that they have Sharia as the basis of their public codes, and that the country is essentially the furthest anyone can get in theocracy in the world today. However, he was mentioning the Saudi Royal family when he mentioned the phrase "secular tyranny". The Royals are actually extremely hated by Islamists in the country for their noted "playboy" lifestyle. In my opinion the country's system is a theocracy, but the family's rule is not.
MaverickWhig 1 year ago
why did japan tested biological weapons on chinese cities and did usa use the result untill nixon decided that biological warfare was irresponsible, the same president that ended the absolutistic bretton woods system? wasn't it nazistic politics that created the masshysteria when the ussr responded perfectly logically on the flexible response hence that she could damagae the cuban economy via an act of war(bloccade)? how can you justify operation fiend, paperclip and northwoods?
bendingnote 3 years ago
2:50, well imagine that in 1917 rothschild would not have frozen the credit of the prussian nobles and usa would have not tried to establish the bretton woods system eversince? hey, isn't it remarkable that hitler divided europe and gave usa the chance to abuse the weak position of the european nations hence that the bretton woods system was established?
bendingnote 3 years ago
Dinesh d'souza is an idiot to suggest that the kingdom is a secular dictatorship and he's an idiot to suggest that we should use force on Iran because of the weapons program, which scott ritter refutes( he's a nuclear inspector), and because it's a theocracy, not remember what brought them there in the first place.
afkamistan 3 years ago
He looks Indian , Is Dinesh working for Indian Ideology? giving wrong advice to American to stay in Iraq so India can be super power! looks like.
ocean4sajid 3 years ago
i think d'souza is right about liberty. its obviously illogical to speak of non-intervention overriding liberty if, like ron paul, you claim to be a libertarian..
having said that: is the US truly in a position to sow the seed of democracy in iraq..no i think not..see john keane on youtube re: the origin of democratic praxes in islam..power sharing and what not.. its an eye-opener..better than the tin-eye-openers of war..
aikigenius 4 years ago
Ron Paul's point is that we need to take care of liberty here at home before we go trying to spread it all over the world (not that I or you are really dumb enough to believe spreading liberty is the primary interest of U.S. interventionalist policy...). We can't spread any liberty when we are bankrupted from all the wars we get ourselves into.
krazykarl04 3 years ago 2
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i hate this guy
FOXnewsPropaganda 4 years ago
The motto of the U.S. was once "MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS" THAT is Libritarianism
THis fool does not even know what freedom is
hiimallen 4 years ago 3
and you do?
SELVAJANE 4 years ago
yes
hiimallen 3 years ago
We did not IMPOSE freedom on Germany, or Japan. Slavery was not ended with wars in any other country. The Civil War has more reasons than slavery.
This guy is foul of crap and contradicts himself many times.
hiimallen 4 years ago
you are a moron who doesnt have the slightest clue about history... did not force germany or japan.. lol
SELVAJANE 4 years ago
Conservative and militancy is not synonymous. Liberty IS non-intervention. We did not attack Germany or Japan to give them liberty, it was self defense. This fool believes that muslim democracy is even possible. Iran has Islamic Republicanism as close as it will ever get, and he hates them. I know history, and it keeps repeating itself.
hiimallen 3 years ago
Mr. D'Souza has a distored view of Libertarianism, and non-interventionism. Libertarians want Liberty for their own nation. Sure, we'd love the rest of the world to have "Liberty", but we cannot force it upon people, especially when it would be detrimental to our own nation. Another strong belief of a Libertarians is a sound economic and budgetary policy. Wasting vast amounts of money imposing "freedom" on a nation that did not attack us is not sound fiscal policy. We simply cannot afford it.
Cristoforo87 4 years ago