RAF Bombing Offensive Against Germany (Part 2 of 6)

[KJLesnick]

I'm surprised that so many British people to this day believe it was right to specifically target civilians for mass-murder. I mean at the time it's one thing -- there was a desire for revenge, but modern day, you'd figure people would know better.

Evidently this is not the case, people simply want to believe their nation is always right, that their leaders could never commit an evil act (any nation can) and anybody who questions the policy must be a neo-nazi skinhead or something

[KJLesnick]

Was the bomber the only weapon that could hit Germany? I'm wondering because I've heard that argument and I want to know if it's true or not.

I still think the area-bombing policy was wrong particularly after the RAF developed a reliable bombsight, navigation aids, and had the P-51's in their inventory (They had P-51C's in their inventory -- those can escort bombers) which was either late 1943 or 1944. They continued area-bombing to the end however.

[LordGodofMercy]

@Robinhood48IQ

An anecdote. Being a Londoner I work and socialise with quite a few

Polish people.

I put to my Polish friends your theory that the 250 000 civilians killed by the Lwaffe in Warsaw were killed legitimately and their deaths was unavoidable. & that Warsaw & Weilun were legitimate targets. (Both points expressed by you) I cannot post their response as their language was very rich in Anglo Saxon expletives. In polite terms they said ‘Go forth and fornicate with your Mother’

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Good story.

It has a tiny little flaw though- it´s bullocks.

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48 The correct term my Nazi apologist friend is bollocks not bullocks. Bollocks is what you spout.

Bullocks are young bulls. Bullshit is what you post. Caprice?

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

I don´t care, darling.

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48 It's more of a 'mind over matter' issue. I don't mind and you don't matter.

[robinhood48]

Twelve o´clock over here, have to go to bed.

Good night!

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Night!

[LordGodofMercy]

robinhood48

My mistake, the old fart (robinhood48) advertising his sad old arse on the lonely heart site is actually in Wisconsin. Not too far from the Canadian border. You posted a comment claiming that you had picked over an airplane crash site on the Canadian border, you claimed the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site was bogus because it looked nothing like what you had seen. Now the real conspiracy here

Is : Are you robinhood48 really robinhood48 in Wisconsin.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

I´m robinhood48 and I live in Wisconsin.

You caught me in the act. So I am an Canadian.

My English must be excellent. Thank you.

I love you.

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48

Well what of the chances that there are two robinhood48s? One thing that you are good at is spouting conspiracy gobshite. Perhaps old GroSSliar can come up with a theory about this other robihood48.

Him being the Queen of conspiracy. I dare say he would claim it was something to do with the British creating Hitler to depopulate Europe or Bush being responsible for the tsunami in Japan. You know! One of those daft ideas he comes up with.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Right so!

There is only one robin, and that´s the one and only robinhood48!

Long live Canada and may the Canadian people live in peace and progress!

Ah...Je suis une Canadienne et je perle la langue Francaise aussi, mon ami! Cést vrai- vous etes une idiot!

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48

Well done! But you first language is half baked Nazi apologist conspiracy gobshite! As you conspiracy Queens claim

All is not what it apears to be.

''250 000 civilians killed by the Lwaffe was justified & necessary'' My Arse!!!

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

250 000 civilians killed by Luftwaffe? Where? When?

Still smoking that bad stuff?

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 You must understand. It is so hard to LordGod to understand the meaning of of the terms "source" and "reference". But he is trying. His head is almost exploding in agony when he keeps trying.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

Hello!

Best greetings from Canada to Germany! Must say your English is excellent regarding that you are a Kraut! I miss our friends blockthehood, missispangloss and pissycrap, seems they are vanished and replaced by the master itself!

Quel malheur!

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy

''250 000 civilians killed by the Lwaffe was justified & necessary'' My Arse!!!"

Firstly, nobody here (except perhaps our Eddie123) accepts here the targeting of civilians by ANY party.

Secondly, we know that the RAF targeted civilians because IT READS IN THE AIR WAR DIRECTIVES OF 1940 AND 1942 - EXISTING DOCUMENTS. As to Luftwaffe, we agree that when civilians were killed, it was equally unacceptable. But give us SOURCES and REFERENCES. Otherwise you are just a laugh.

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss Just keep digging GroSSliar! That Nazi apologist hole is getting deeper and deeper!!

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "Just keep digging GroSSliar! That Nazi apologist hole is getting deeper and deeper!!"

E facile de capirlo che questo cucciolo disadattato Inglese, que ha la vergogna de se stesso non puo accettare criticismo che tocca la sua personalita oppure i questioni storici che lui tratta pezzi della sua personalita.

Si tratta di una persoona che vive nel' illusione. Quando la realta gli dispiace troppo, lui prova di utilizzare allegazioni come la parola "Nazi" che vediamo qui.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Italian!

Rings a bell? Mussolini!

Can it be TMP is an Italian fascist? Porco Dio!

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Viva il Canada!!! Viva Wisconsin. Viva lo Zeppelin.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 "Porco Dio!"

Ma questo e una bestemmia! Silenzio! Sono un cattolico devoto.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

Scusi.

Sono protestanto tedesco.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Pero nostro amico Inglese non capisce. Che peccato.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

Mein Schwager ist Italiener. Ich verstehe Italienisch gut, spreche es aber schlecht.

Rom ist weit weg.

Latin helps.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Jag talar inte väl tysk, men hällre svenska, som är det andra officiella språket i Finland. Därför förstår jag tyskan lätt. Det är relativt lätt för de är så lika.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

I´m thankful that you answered in Swedish, the second official language in Finland. Indeed, the Swedes can understand German quite easy.

Please, don´t answer in Finnish, I would have to give up then!

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Quomodo puerum illum convincimus quod haud genus eloquendi altrui est? Isti adolesenti libri legendo est si nos convincere vellet.

(the Latin conjunctive is hard, you can correct me Robin, go ahead)

[TheMrPangloss]

@TheMrPangloss Correction ... libri legendum est...

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

libri legendi sunt?

It´s so long ago...

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Possibly. But think about the sentence "Carthago est delendam". I think that the neuter gender here is adverbial in character. Thus libri legendum est. That is why it probably does not follow the gender and number of the word. Carthago is a masculine name in gender, I suppose.

But I might be wrong. The grammar will tell.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

In cetero censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

Should be destroyed, or more exactly has to be a (city) to be destroyed. Bad English., better to say in German Grammatic: ...Ist eine zu Zerstörende.

Cato the elder

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

LOL

This was what we call Church- Latin. It was the Latin spoken by the priests when they had to report to Rome. I would say libri legendi, but anyway it´s a wonderful Gerundium.

Where are the clones?

Where is our friend?

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48

"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam".

Yes you were right, I was wrong,

There is an ACI structure, i.e., "accustivus cum infinitivo" that is, "carthaginem" (acc.) "delendam" (acc.) esse (inf.)

The main word is carthago and the gerundive here follows the gender, number and case of the main word. Yes, indeed, ... LIBRI LEGENDI SUNT

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 I think that I am wrong and you are right Robin, but the verbal form delendum, legendum & c. is called the GERUNDIVE.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

Gerundive. Correct.

Must put my head out of my arse. You know your stuff, really.

[robinhood48]

@robinhood48

Shame that I had such a bad teacher in Latin. He treated us with Ovid and Vergil but never explained the grammar in sufficient way. I was lucky had to translate Cicero in final examination. Coniuratione de Catilinae.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Quousque tandem!!! Quousque tandem ... & c. Lol

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

You really believe that story, do you.

Bin Laden get shot, then they transport the body to a carrier, then they look into his face- yes it´s him! and throw him overboard. They do not shoot a photo, they do not keep the body for proof, they just throw it into the water.

Really dude, you are less intelligent than even your Grandma!

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48

At least you have attempted to answer unlike ol' Grossliar. So Obama is complicit in the whole 9/11 conspiracy

'Dubya did it' saga. Well blow me down. I suppose Gaddaffi is in Honalulu.

Good grief!

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Obama is complict in that 9/11 crap?

Who told you? Your Grandma?

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48

''Obama is complict in that 9/11 crap?"

Your Domlord ThePanGroSSliar

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

We shalt not lie, Lordy.

Come on, there is a good boy!

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy E come si tratta di me c'e soltanto uno e uno solo "TheMrPangloss". Viva Italia! Viva Finlandia, e anche viva il Canada. Viva Wisconsin!

Pero lei non posso rimproverarmi che difenda I civili nella segonda guerra mondiale. I bombardamenti di RAF erano criminali com' erano gli altri atti inumani della guerra. Basta che un soldato uccida un civilista. Nessuno puo accettarlo, nemmeno che la cultura e deliberamente distrutta.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Hey, master, can you help us? What is the difference between Gerundive and Gerundium?

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 But you were right. Don't be so modest. I was wrong, but I realized it.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

This is no modesty but realism. We Krauts always think we are best educated, so we are surprised when a guy from foreign country like you surpasses us.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 Thank you. I know enough to realize that I know only a little. That is why I don't easily believe in what I have been told. My alarm bells ring when I am told to believe something without questioning, like here, or a supposed "punishment" will occur.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

This is because you think with your brains and not with your belly. As I see the case, many people begin to think like you or at least similar.

Same with my alarm sirens- when I ask a question and receive an accuse something must be wrong.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 The gerundium indicates an action which continuous or repeated, but it is an attribute of the subject rather than the main verb in the sentence. Look at this.

Gutta cavat lapidem non vi sed saepe cadendo.

gutta (the subject) cavat (predicate) .... cadendo (attrinbute but in ablativus instrumentalis).

[TheMrPangloss]

@TheMrPangloss Actually the meaning of the gerundium in my example sentence is ADVERBIAL in meaing. It indicates means, and thus it is adverbial.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

I see you successfully recall your school knowledge! Have to try harder it seems.

[LordGodofMercy]

So poor old Mr. Pangrossliar can't back up his allegation that Bin laden's assassination was a hoax. Robinhoodwink48 claims the deaths of 250 000 + Polish men, women & children killed in the Nazi German attack on Warsaw was justified and necessary. All you two conspiracy Queens can do is to try to be witty about old ladies. Bravo ladies! Look forward to more of your ‘wit’

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss So then GroSSlies tell where you got your inside information that Obama is a liar and that his claim that Bin Laden was assasinated is hoax. Riddle me deee!!

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPanGroSSliar

London 1914-17: The Zeppelin Menace ISBN-10: 1846032458 Ian Castle

''From 1915-1917, German airships unleashed hundreds of explosives and incendiaries on London. These first ever air raids on the city are now largely forgotten in the popular imagination, perhaps because of the much greater damage and death toll from the Second World War. But for Londoners of the time, the attacks were unprecedented, unexpected and lethal.'

All lies according to the GroSSliar

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Mr Ian Castle failed to mention the main witness- your Grandma!

Hope she was not hurt during the firestorm caused by the Zeppelins.

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48 So when you were picking over the remains of that airplane crash site you visited in Canada. Was it you that was posting your sorry arse on the lonely hearts webpage. There you are for all to see robinhood48. Some

moustache you have there! Surely it's some coincidence that there is another robinhood48. Google it ! I think you need a trip to the gym by the looks of you. But ol' Grossliar isn't fussy he just needs someone to agree with his crackpot theories.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Canada?

Crash site? Mind to tell me what you are smoking and, most important, is it free available?

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "The use of incendiary bombs and high explosives to attack civilian targets was invented by Germany in WW1."

Source? I don't believe that you can prove this true.

Secondly, you are implying that it was Germany's fault that Britain used white phosphorus in the colonies such as Mesopotamia and Iraq. Isn't this foolish, Lord God.

Thirdly, Japan was also firebombed in 1944-1945 and since Germany "invented" firebombing it is even here its fault?

You are a weird fellow, LordGod

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss  January 19–20, 1915, Graf Zeppelin’s dropped 50 kg high explosive bombs and 3 kg incendiaries on Great Yarmouth, Sheringham, King's Lynn and the surrounding villages. Note not military targets GroSSlies! The Zeppelin raids continued on London & other towns throughout the war. Then the Gotha IV heavy bomber was invented to continue the terror raids. Source: My Grandmother witnessed the Zeppelins over Bermondsey when she was a child.

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy And you are saying that this 50kg of bombs justified the RAF attacks against Arab, Kurd and Indian villagers in 1920s and 1930s? Your answer can be interpreted like this. Since it was "Germans" [collectively and again only claimed with no source] who "invented" it. Just FYI, there were balloons and artillery existing for hundreds of years before this.

"My Grandmother witnessed the Zeppelins over Bermondsey when she was a child."

I care rats arse what your "grandmother" said.

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

Put your Grandma up your arse, idiot.

You are a laugh, really.

You were asked to quote a source (a book, asshole!) and you tell us something about your Grandma!

My arse!

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48

Oh dear! YT's most boring unimaginative comment maker has shown up! Prepare to underwhelm me with your wit and wisdom. You fill me with inertia and inspire me to indifference!!

[robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy

I know you hate me, seems I make something right.

Is your Grandma now one of your clones?

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48 Boring!! Try harder

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPanGroSSliar

''Secondly, you are implying that it was Germany's fault that Britain used whitephosphorus in the colonies such as Mesopotamia and Iraq. Isn't this foolish,'' You Buffoon! Your whole argument is based around your crackpot theory that Britain taught Hitler all he knew. From Eugenics to the fact that the US used gas chambers to execute criminals. Thus illustrating you really are a Nazi apologist.

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "Thus illustrating you really are a Nazi apologist."

Again the old trick: the "Nazi card".

Do you really believe that people are so lazy that they either don't have read my (anti-Nazi) posts and don't remember the content of my posts, or they are gullible when they read your defamatory bs.

Call your clones now to save the day: "mutley0777", "panglosspuckeredbutt", "TheMrRobinhood", "yogifalkmybitch", "TheMrBlockTheHood"...

Find some good psychiatrist to treat your obsessions.

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "Your whole argument is based around your crackpot theory that Britain taught Hitler all he knew. From Eugenics to the fact that the US used gas chambers to execute criminals. "

What you say is true in a nutshell, posed in a question.

But it is an anti-Nazi point if one emphasizes the criminal nature of supporting the Nazis considered as enemies of the the society in the Weimar R. (which is true), and it was a crime to give an army to Hitler, appease & c. as well.

[TheMrPangloss]

@TheMrPangloss "From Eugenics to the fact that the US used gas chambers to execute criminals."

You need only WIKI to see that the Eugenic movement was FOUNDED IN THE VICTORIAN BRITAIN in the 1870s, and the WIKI as well says clearly backing up the claims with credible sources, that the U.S. used gas chambers to execute inmates in prisons.

Goals of the British /U.S. Eugenics:

(1) "racial hygieny" favoring nordic Caucasians,

(2) mental hygieny with oppression of the mentally ill,

(3) euthanasy

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss

Source? Where is your source that the assasination of Bin Laden was a hoax. Then according to your superior logic, Obama is a liar and is therfore in cahoots with George Bush. Source? You laughable buffoon!!

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "Source? Where is your source that the assasination of Bin Laden was a hoax."

In your ignorance you go out of context or you call your clone cavalry. Are you going to call it now to alleviate your total stalemate situation.

You have blundered, and you keep on blundering stubbornly. I don't care because it is your pointed little head which gets hurt.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

He will activate his clones soon.

One of them will have the name ScrewTheGrandMa, something like this.

Poor.

[TheMrPangloss]

@robinhood48 That was a good one. Or LordThePoorSodTa, TheLordBuggerMe, LordTheBuggeredPom, or like.

[robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss

LOL

[LordGodofMercy]

@robinhoodwinker48 & TheMrPanGroSSliar

Too much use of the terms screw and bugger. Please don't project your flirting fantasies with each onto me.

Why not just get a room and you can whisper sweet Nazi apologist nothings all night. Sweet dreams chaps!

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy "Too much use of the terms screw and bugger. Please don't project your flirting fantasies with each onto me."

My dog would like you.

[winter22mute]

>In Mesopotamia the RAF bombed Kurd and Arab villages

>using white phosphorus and mustard gas

No, mustard gas was never used. See "Did Britain Use

Chemical Weapons in Mandatory Iraq?" by Prof. R. M.

Douglas, The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 81, No.

4, Dec 2009.

[LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss The use of incendiary bombs and high explosives to attack civilian targets was invented by Germany in WW1. Spain, France & Italy used Arial bombing to 'police' their colonies to a far greater extent than Britain. Once again you are singling out Britain and manipulating facts to further your anti British smear campaign

[TheMrPangloss]

@LordGodofMercy And white phosphorus was used by artillery before well developed and operational military aircraft. Thus it is not really relevant who "invented" it but who used it in a large scale.

And as I said, the Mesopotamian "police bombings" by the RAF in the early 1920s were essentially similar to the Luftwaffe cruel experiment at Guernica MUCH LATER in 1936 during the Spanish Civil war when THE UK AND NAZI GERMANY BOTH sided the Falangists.

You are a prolific producer of bs, LordGod.

[LordGodofMercy]

I see TheMrPanGrossliar has been cutting and pasting old comments again. His next level will be personal attacks on Allied particularly British servicemen. He's been doing this for years (formerly HwwShit) He is a New World Order conspiracy theorist. He claims Hitler was created by Britain to depopulate Europe and George Bush planned the 9/11. Just another Nazi apologist that haunts these channels.

[hwschildt]

The Soviet, the winner of the ww2, killed 65M in concentration camps during its existence from the 20s to the 90s. I agree that Hitler and the Nazis were evil killing 30M in 12 years but why doesn't enybody notice what the Soviet did?

In the occupied areas of Eastern Europe the Nazi German concentration camps were changed to Soviet concentration camps. So much for "freedom" and "justice".

[hwschildt]

20th Century war is here again marking my posts as spam. It is against freedom of speech. I have seen more hurtful style here. Besides, my posts are pacifist.

[MSM4U2POM]

@hwschildt

"Besides, my posts are pacifist".

And bullshit.

[hwschildt]

@MSM4U2POM "And bullshit."

They are pacifist. i defend here civilians on both sides of the war. I disapprove of the open support to Hitler by Britain in the early 30s at the cost of democracy in Germany: the London treaty, the Munich pact and the appeasement. Great blunders by Britain. And finally, the sacrifice and betrayal of the anti-Nazi resistance by Britain, again.

It is you here who promotes the Gospel of the "shock and awe" by the RAF Bomber Command, killing even POWs on the ground.

[hwschildt]

The RAF Bomber Commandwas like the SS - politically motivated killing machine which did not operate following military criteria. Honest Brits abhor its 'feats', but some others want to veil the Fascists with a heroic fancy gown or judge's attire. Just like in the case of the despicable Neo Nazis, intellectually honest people recognize Fascism in the case of RAF Bomber Command too.

[helenheather]

Kill or be killed mentality reigns in war whatever side one is on. You killed my civilians, so I'm gonna kill ten times more of yours etc. There were no shortage of Pols for doing all those menial tasks at Auschwitz- but Poland, like many countries, is in deep denial about its complicity. After all, 2 milllion Christian Germans, disabled, Gays, gypsies and communists also perished in the con-camps, but they're never mourned, least of all on 'Holocaust Day' - very sad, as victims are victims.

[hwschildt]

Sorry, mate but your post is outright racist. The British claim that they waged war against a racist government, and that is of course correct. However, you Mr.Wjskyout suppose that a German oerdinary people, and in the case or Dresden, a child, woman, hospitalized or retired was 'responsible' of the Nazi crimes. Bogus!

What you prove, Mr.Wjskyout, is that British 'master folk' colonial imperialistic attitude is living strong in Britain. The ww2 was totally immoral. All parties were unhuman.

[metalmelvin]

I find that a very good answer hwschildt. I things that most people forget that the Luftwaffe went bombing for open towns and major cities after the battle of Britain with probably losses of over 40.000 civilians, and if you did that to somebody else those days than you probably knew whats coming for you.

[hwschildt]

And the RAF killed ca. 40000 French civilians too, just to remind you, Mr. Metalmelvin.

[hwschildt]

@metalmelvin

And people forget that the RAF bombed FRANCE ALONE as massively as Luftwaffe had bombed Britain, with ca. 50000 French civilians deliberately killed.

As to German cities with working class areas largely anti-Nazi (particularly in Hamburg) RAF changed them into kilns with howling fire tornadoes of 1000 degrees centigrade: Dresden and Hamburg both at least ca. 40000 dead each, Kassel with 10000 dead, Darmstadt with 12000 dead, Pforzheim with 17000 dead, & c & c.

[TheMrPangloss]

@metalmelvin The civilians were the same regardless side and their killing was always equally illegal.

Let me remind you that RAF/USAAC killed ca, 650000 civilians and maimed ca, 800000. In Hamburg alone 50000 civilians were killed by one raid.

In France too RAF/USAAC killed almost equal number of civilians as what Luftwaffe killed in Britain.

When we acknowledge Luftwaffe's illegal deeds, we cannot help noticing the similar deeds of RAF/USAAC of much larger scale.

[naltrexone23X]

@metalmelvin Its strange how people blame the civilians and think retribution is deserved when the civilians of both sides are innocent and in theory the bomber crews directly responsible. Even if there were Nazis and criminals in the cities, it is still unreasonable to use that as justification. The fact is, very few nazis were killed by bombs. Freisler is the only one that comes to mind.

[wjskyout]

How is it racist? I am stating fact. Women and children were some of the many victims of the 'total war'. I thing you will find that Goebels coined that phrase. As for Britain, if you check my profile you will see I am not from there, however I think the only thing the Brits are guilty of is how quickly they forgot the sacrifice of these brave young hero's once the war was over. Don't be a nazi apologist. Britian has idiots like David Irving to do it for them already.

[hwschildt]

"Women and children were some of the many victims of the 'total war'."

And total war is a propaganda term for justifying the shock and awe RAF boming policy.

'''Don't be a nazi apologist. ''

How is the reminder of the Allied war crimes Nazi Apologism? Civilians are the same on both sides.

[hlimkb]

@hwschildt

if the german had won the concentration camp may go full swing,

i am not suggesting bomber command did it for the jews etc

[hwschildt]

@hlimkb

Killing women and children by RAF did not prevent Hitler and the Nazis from killing Jews. And what is significant is that those Jews were German as any other German. The RAF did not see any diifference between German and a German Jew (as such diffenece existed only in Nazi agendas). The German Jewish civilans were just as 'killable' to RAF bombers and operational analysts as any other German civilians.

[ryko26]

@hwschildt yawn

[hwhitfie]

@hwschildt

I am a history professor and I am pretty sure I have studied this stuff quite enough. I feel very bad for the innocent civilians at Dresden, but do you seriously think the inhumanity of the Nazis is comparable to British bombing raids. Did the British have killing squads? Did the British gas six million people? Give me a break.

[TheMrPangloss]

@hwhitfie "but do you seriously think the inhumanity of the Nazis is comparable to British bombing raids...."

And do you seriously think that the crimes of an evil government justify indiscriminate killing of civilians? It was not relevant that they were Germans under the Nazi government. The relevant thing is that they were civilians.

I must remind you that Britain's ally the Soviet killed 52 000 000 people in camps and by executing during Stalin's rule. Britains past is also gory, just fyi.

[TheMrPangloss]

@hwhitfie "Did the British gas six million people? Give me a break."

Hitler's government killed not only 6 000 000 Jews. The total is ca. 21 000 000 of which the Jews is only a part. Hitler also killed Germans who resisted his system.

As to Britain, the British Colonial administration killed 29 000 000 Deccani Indians in 1877-1878 by starving and labour camps (death rate 95%), and as late as in the early 1950s Britain killed 320 000 Kikuyus in Kenya!!! After the Nuremberg principles.

[TheMrPangloss]

@hwhitfie "Did the British have killing squads? "

In Mesopotamia the RAF bombed Kurd and Arab villages using white phosphorus and mustard gas. The RAF Bomber Command, with its Trenchardian air war doctrine (clearly put terror air war doctrine) can be called a death squad.

Examples: Wurzburg 1945: 5000 civilians killed in 15 minutes; Darmstadt 1944, 12000 civilians killed in 30 minutes, Pforzheim 1945: 17000 civilians killed in 30 minutes; Dresden 1945 35000 - 70000 civilians killed in 4 hours.

[hwschildt]

A war crime orchestrated by Churchill and his councillor Lord Cherwell.

[wjskyout]

War crime my arse. It was a legitimate offensive against a brutal regime. "No German city is worth the bones of a British Grenadier" - Sir Arthur Harris. If it wasn't for the huge sacrifice of these young men, we would all be living in the second century of the 1000 year reich which would suck unless you were a nazi aryan

[zookatone]

@wjskyout

The wierd thing about bombing germanies cities was that -from a strictly military point if view- it didnt make any sense. It was supposed to demoralise the population, but it achieved the opposite. By bombing the cities the civilians started to fear and hate the allies. Not only in Germany, but also in France and the Netherlands. It didnt help ending the war at all.

[ryko26]

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