@unfathomablebo Indeed. Rushton has no explanation for why Native American societies aren't equal to Northeast Asian societies despite being their closet derivative population. He's trying to claim that their temperament is similar to Asians. Hispanics are primarily of Spanish and Mesoamerican descent ("Caucasian + Mongoloid"). Hispanics communities have a problem with violent crime in America and lower IQs than Whites. How can that be genetic? Rushton has no answer.
There isn't even a proper way to define mongoloids, caucasians and negroids, let alone say which one is greater.
And to this date, no one has ever found an allele for a gene which is found 100% in one "race" and 0% in another race. Compare that with male and female differences where several dozen genes are known to be present in the Y chromosome.
Of course geographic differences exist, but for the most part we are talking about very high frequency in one group specifically.
@EgalitarianJay No he isn't Jay and you know that. All Graves did here is criticise Rushton's application of r/K selection theory. As you well know there two components to Rushton's work: (a) discovery that a broad range of athropometric variables group into three taxa; and (b) an explanation of (a). Graves only attempted a refutation of (b).
@PiotrThePrimate Graves comment was not out of context. It fit perfectly within the conversation going on at the time. If that is not the case explain how. Rushton's application of r/K selection is central to his evolutionary arguments. His listed variables are all based around proving that there is a racial continuum in life history traits. Graves proved that his approach was unscientific and explained why his variables were unreliable and irrelevant.
@PiotrThePrimate If you want to discuss this on a message board we can do so. I have already directed you to a webpage where I have explained this issue in more detail. There is only so much that can be said on Youtube, If you are familiar with Rushton's work you know that it is impossible to address all 60 variables within the time frame of the presentations in this video which is why Graves wrote two articles to flesh out his points. Rushton cannot defend his own arguments.
@0point00 No, if you actually understand both Rushton and Graves you would find that all Graves tried to do in this debate is question Rushton's application of r/K selection theory to life history evolution and that is only a part of Rushton's work its is not the totality of it and it is actually of secondary importance to the result which he is trying to explain with reference to r/K Selection theory.
That black guy is either totally ignorant or is in complete disregard of historic facts. Rushton clearly wins this debate not so much from the persuasiveness of his arguments but from the incompetence of his main opponent!
@bossmastercheif Graves sounds like he is referencing some quote of Hitler's where he stated that he didn't believe in races but used race to advance his political agenda. That's not very farfetched. I have read quotes in books elsewhere that Hitler was embarrassed by the archeological digs in Germany because they confirmed that German history was pathetic in comparison to Italy or Greece with their ancient civilizations. It isn't clear how much of his own dogma he really believed.
@EgalitarianJay Rubbish! Hitlers belief in races & the struggle for racial supremacy is a well documented historic fact!
The irrelevance of the particular quote u made is pretty self evident as even if it is true it in no way even remotely confirms that Hitler did not believe in races!
PS: I never heard of these books & i'm not new to the subject who is the author?
I think u are just defending Graves because u are biased in this debate. It is Rushton that clearly makes the better arguments.
@bossmastercheif I just posted the full quote and reference to book that I was referring to in a PM. Fair enough? The point is that much was revealed about Hitler after the fall of Nazi Germany and he did make comments in private writings that revealed some of his insecurities about his own beliefs. In regards to Hitler's belief in race I can ask Graves for his source.
@EgalitarianJay Thanks i received your PM & it is appreciated. Still, that quote in no way suggests that Hitler did not believe in races.
Hitler may have had certain insecurities about some of his beliefs (don't we all?) but he never made any statements in public or in private that ever suggested he was unsure or in doubt about his overall worldview, of which fundamental racial differences between humans was absolutely cornerstone.
By all means ask Graves for an explanation & keep me posted...
The source of that quote is an interview with a reporter prior to 1937. It has been so long that I don’t remember the scholarly source it came from. The quote in essence said that Hitler understood the limitations to racial constructs but that he was going to use race to move forward the National Socialist (Nazi) movement.
Personally i think this is a bogus quote or even if true has been made purely with the intention of charming American opinion. Clearly it has very little weight compared to the hundreds of other statements Hitler made which clearly prove his unshakable belief in fundamental racial differences between humans.
A serious scholar would never claim "Hitler didn't believe in racial differences" based on such flimsy evidence.
@EgalitarianJay Hitler dedicated an entire chapter to race in "Mein Kampf". "Hitler's Table Talk" -- which is a collection of Hitler's private conversations -- is replete with references to race, it is a recurring theme in his thoughts. Further, his policies suggest that he not only believed in race but took the idea very seriously. The idea tha Hitler didn't believe in race is _very_ far fetched.
@EgalitarianJay Even if it were true that Hitler didn't believe in race -- which is highly unlikely given the contents of "Mein Kampf" and "Hitler's Table Talk" -- what is the relevance of that claim? How exactly would Hitler's non-belief in race help Graves refute Rushton's arguments?
@PiotrThePrimate Graves made the point that scientific hypotheses are often linked to social agendas and used Hitler as an example. This statement wasn't meant to prove Rushton's theory wrong. Graves made those arguments in his critique. His point was that simply advancing a scientific theory doesn't make you objective. Scientists and researchers can be biased and misuse science to support ideological agendas. Graves regards Rushton's work as pseudoscience.
@EgalitarianJay But that is still a _non sequitur_. Rushton could just as well have presented a thesis on the ideological agendas of those that deny the existence of race. You said, "His point was that simply advancing a scientific theory doesn't make you objective." If that is true then that applies equally to everyone in which case it isn't worth mentioning. It is entirely irrelevant to a debate about data and conclusion drawn from that data.
@PiotrThePrimate It's not a non-sequitur. Graves comment is relevant to the discussion going on at that point in time. He was responding to Rushton's claim that being overly emotional in debate is a sign that someone is not being objective. Graves makes the point that even a dispassionate researcher can be biased and that scientific correctness is what matters in this discussion. He has in fact critiqued Rushton's work in detail and Rushton has no response to his arguments.
@EgalitarianJay I disagree , I think it is a non sequitur. Yes a researcher can be biased, that is a truism so it is not worth stating. Graves is just as vulnerable to anyone else to being biased and having a political agenda so the matter shouldn't even be raised and he should confine have confined his attention to the data, the method and the conclusions. I thought it a cheap shot and if Graves had full confidence in his case he wouldn't have felt he needed to venture there.
@PiotrThePrimate The point he made was valid by your own admission and not inappropriate or illogical given the context. A non-sequitur is a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. Graves is not even talking about the data in that portion of the discussion so you're making a moot point. Are you following these videos in order and paying attention to the flow of discussion?
@EgalitarianJay A non sequitur is also an out of context statement and that is what I am accusing Graves of making. Graves piece about bias is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Numbers done by FBI, Interpol, and many of the 'abc' agencies DO show a that between whites, blacks, and asians, there are much HIGHER rates of rape per capita in America, violent crimes, sexually transmitted diseases, crime in general, school dropout rates, poverty, etc.
These facts are NOT debatable.
But as to the cause WHY, Nature or Nurture I still can't figure out which one it is.
We need to know these things as a society and they need to be addressed with HONESTY.
@RandomShellAccount Indeed and most of the commenters here don't realise that Graves didn't actually even attempt to refute Rushton's result that many anthropometric and social metrics indicate three latent taxa. All Graves did was attack Rushton's application of r/K selection theory to evolutionary life history of humans. That is ALL he attempted to do.
First of all the burden of proof is on racialists to show that evolution caused differences in the cognitive ability of diverse populations. That is what this video is about. Rushton advanced a theory Graves critiqued and debunked it. If you want to read an article advancing cognitive equality for geographic populations I can PM it to you.
Name one society on Earth that is completely composed of smart people and absent of stupid and violent people. Get real. People all over the world have been enslaved throughout history. The enslavers often had the better weapons and resources.Having such does not make you smarter.
Racialists act like modern Africa is the sole product of native development. In reality we know that European colonists carved up Africa into its modern territories and are to blame for much of its turmoil. Every group has commited atrocities. Why are Blacks claimed to exhibit bad behavior because they are Black?
@MysticNinjaJay Their bad behavior stems from the same mental characteristics that facilitated their enslavement. A society of smart people is far less likely to be enslaved than one of stupid and violent people.
im shocked they even gave rushton a chair, they should have just nailed him to a cross. He had no chance of an unbiased, unemotional debate about race.
@GiggleHz I should point out that the Rwanda genocide was influenced by favoritism by the French for the Tutsis over the Hutus based on racial theories. As for nailing Rushton to the cross I feel that he was given a fair chance to express his views. He was able to provide a full length presentation of his theories and answer questions without interruption. There's nothing wrong with getting emotional in debates and everyone has a position so noone is unbiased. Scientific correctness is key.
@EgalitarianJay lol k gotcha SO...really it was the blacks doing that because whitee made em right? besides thats ONE, there are many more. Not to mention how many thousands upon thousands of babies get raped to death in SA alone. All races are capable of doing horrible acts but blacks are much more likely to do so. YES YES the holocaust but see heres the thing, WHITES STOOD UP AND STOPPED IT TOO.
Evolutionary wise there would be no need for blacks to be on (average) more prone to violence than whites. Lynching mobs, slavery, unfair assasination of the Inca king, destruction of Native Americans, Southern Amerindians genocide, colonization of declining civilizations,segregation,job discrimination, rewriting of history to benefit Eurocentric anti-semites. Rushton's work is considered Pseudoscience, and evolutionary biologists debunked this psychologist.
@sovietamerican2 well i dont know about that, from what ive seen of rushton he is a well respected scientist and his statistics are cold hard fact. Yes white people have done plenty of bad things its foolish to think that some race doesnt have the potential for violence, however blacks lacked the ability to go do the things, they never advanced enough to cross the seas, nor had the ability to keep historic records of their deeds so we have no points of example
@GiggleHz Rushton from what I've seen is a qualified Psychologist however he is not well respected for his work on this subject. It is regarded as blatant advocacy of racism and described by one Biological Anthropologist as being "Bad Biology and "Inexcusable Anthropology." The association of violent crime rates with biology doesn't strike me as credible because even if crime statistics are high within a population crime represents the actions of only a minority of people within a group.
Rushton is not a well respected scientist, only in the realms of pseudoscience and racist propaganda is Rushton a well respected charlatan. He talks about genes and biology when he in fact is neither a geneticist or a qualified biologist, not to mention he has been debunked by various professionals in the field. The only ones who drool when they hear Rushton speak are hereditarians, who need mediocre biology in order to sustain their pathetic claims of racial superiority of whites.
The concepts hereditarians bring up is always replete with assumptions and wishfull contemplation, not to mention conjectures. Environmentalists bring up (facts that can actually be proven), while hereditarians bring up assumptions, that not only are dystopian and unrealistic, but is just guessing and pretending they have any credible foundation to which their theories are buttressed on. These guys are just a small minority, or mavericks in the scientific community, the continuation
of 19th century Cranial/anthropological research, something which has already been debunked by honest and realistic scientists. Not to mention the concept of female inferiority has also been debunked, as the IQ gap of females in some nordic countries and others have closed. Evolutionary wise, there is no reason for why blacks should be more pugnacious than other races, it simply does not have any scientific value, or biological relevance to the species of humans.
Homosapiens evolved in Africa, not anywhere else, so why should the African environment be cognitively less demanding than Nordic environments, which would by Rushton's Theories, render white caucasians more intellectually superior, while the Negroids ( a folk taxonomy by Rushton ) would be intellectually inferior. For 300 thousand years, Neantherdal Men living in western Europe failed to evolve cognitively in the harsh winters, while in Africa the humans evolved.
@sovietamerican2 Why should the nordic environments be equally demanding and why should the adaptations of different species with different evolutionary paths be the same? Are polar bears that much more smart than brown bears? The burden of proof of cognitive equality of populations under radically different selection pressures is on the egalitarians. I haven't even seen an attempt to prove why evolution would design the world in such a way to conform to the political ideology of left-wingers.
Walking in snow doesnt make you smarter, take someone in Sub Sahara Africa, put him or her in a nordic environment, you will see that the ability of humans to reason, would allow them to survive.............You tool.
Vitamins, iodine, proper pre-natal development and stimulation as well as education at a young age can very well close the IQ gap. Not to mention infectious diseases and other detrimental attacks on the human brain has been scientifically proven to decrease IQ and shrink brain size as well. But like your boy Lynn and Rushton, keeping with the tradition of pseudoscience, they simply ignore it, and go on with their racist theories. The Pioneer Fund is also racist, read its history.
@sovietamerican2 CONTINUED, but the fact remains they are more violent than whites, in africa it may have been more beneficial to be more violent on evolutionary terms. 90% of inter-racial crime victims are white, in the US alone for every 1 black woman raped by a white man over 200 white women are raped by a black man, list goes on and on, you can verify those if u like, there is not some huge conspiracy to frame the black man, they do it to themselves
@GiggleHz You claim that Africans did not have the capacity to commit atrocities on the scale that Whites did due to lack of technology and didn't have records to keep of such things. Ignoring the historical periods in African history where this is not the case (ex. Ancient Egypt) African countries have had military and record keeping long enough to commit similar atrocities to that of Whites. The worst we have seen in genocide in Rwanda and Sudan. Horrible stories come out of Congo....
@GiggleHz But generally African countries have not committed the same level of barbaric atrocities that people of European descent have. In fact some African and majority black countries have low crime rates.
@EgalitarianJay the worst attrocities today are happening in black africa, i dont know how u can deny that. I know this from personal experience btw, been to congo, senegal, south africa, this are not places ull like to live in.
@GiggleHz Black on White rape in the United States is overblown. For one thing because Whites are the majority there is a greater chance of them being victims of violent crime than vice versa. Black criminals are more likely to encounter a White victim than White criminals are to encounter Black victims. Tim Wise showed in his article The Color of Deception that Blacks actually victimize Whites at a lower frequency than chance would allow.
@ 45 seconds in, you can hear those black chicks laughing in the audience. Exactly the kind of reaction I would expect as Graves waves his arms like a crazy man.
@andrzejewski1960 1. You don't know what the people in the audience laughing look like
2. At 0:45 Graves just finished showing a slide which showed a lack of a relationship between IQ and intrinsic rate of increase which contradicts Rushton's explanation for IQ score variation between races.
@andrzejewski1960 1. Actually since you want to boast that claim I would love to put you to the test. How about it? I could look for 20 videos of Black and White women and provide you with 20 second samples of the voices from those videos. I could PM you the links and you provide me answers for the ones you think are Black and White. Then I will give you the results. If you can distinguish them with 90% accuracy I will acknowledge you have the ability.
@EgalitarianJay Yes, I'll take the bet. I went to school with blk chicks for 19 years (more or less). No mixed race people. They need to be pretty damn black or whte. No in between crap.
@andrzejewski1960 You can't necessarily tell the full ancestry of a person by looking at them. I will attempt to find as many brown-skinned "Black" women and pale-skinned "White" women as I can find without there being enough phenotypic overlap that you can't tell which category they would fall under.
@EgalitarianJay Do you really think there is no diff in the voices of blks and whts? If so, you really have drank the kool-aid. There is a diff in shape of nose and lips and that makes a diff. there is a diff in dialect and testosterone.
I remember in the oj trial when one witness said he heard "a black man yell" and Mr. Jonny Cock-o-ran objected claiming there was no difference in blk/white voices. Judge Lance Itto let Mr. Johnny get away with murder.....literally.
@andrzejewski1960 I'm still constructing your test so when I am done we will see if your theory holds true. Remember you pass if you can guess the Black and White voices with 90% accuracy.
Adolf Hitler didn't believe in race? Fuck, this guy is lying through his fat lips! I don't think he should be injecting all this distraction. Rushton's theory is spot on.
@TheTruthcentric "Rwandan atrocities had their roots in European colonial favoritism towards the Tutsi over the Hutu"
ALWAYS WHITIES FAULT. SOUTH AFRICA IS TURNING TO SHIT AND THE BLKS ARE BLAMING THE WHITES THAT USED TO BE IN CHARGE. THEY CLAIM THEY ALL HAVE PTSD....WHICH CAUSES THEM TO RAPE AND KILL EACH OTHER ! THEY STOLE THAT ONE OUT OF THE AL SHARPTON HAND BOOK. TYPICAL AFRO-LOGIC.
HAVE ANY OF YOU AFRO-CENTRICS EVER EXPLAINED TO ME Y EVERY BLK CITY ON EARTH IS A SHIT HOLE???
This tape is pretty good. Thanks for posting. The belligerent attitude of Dr. Graves hurts his argument....badly!!! He is probably one of the leftist I have encountered on YouTube. I loved the "fierce anger" comment Rushton made as Graves shook with hate and anger...watch his head. LOL
Can you please correctly order the tapes? Hard to follow
@andrzejewski1960 The video has 11 parts in full. I could rename them to Part 1 of 11 etc. I thought Graves retort was very good. Rushton accused him of politically correct lying as evidence by his emotional rage however anger as Graves pointed out can be a positive emotion. It can drive you to accomplish things. His comment about Scientific Correctness as also a good point. In part 11 I feel that Rushton really self-destructed with his reply to the last question.
@EgalitarianJay Yes, rename them so we can better follow them. Really good stuff regardless of differing opinions.
Rushton is only reacting 2 the belligerent attitude of Graves who said at the beginning he was going to be belligerent. Must be because Graves has 10% more testeosterone, deeper voice, more athletic .....WHICH WAS NOT REFUTED by anyone on the panel. What Rushton says fits together like a complex puzzel however, leftist have the ability to look at a cat and call it a dog
@andrzejewski1960 Graves has written at least two peer-reviewed articles addressing Rushton's data. I can provide you with them via PM if you want to read them. He does address hormone biology and the testosterone claims. The deeper, louder voice stuff is a racial stereotype that Rushton has no scientific evidence for. That's all his research is about really. Trying to find scientific justification for racial stereotypes. He doesn't really understand life history evolution.
@andrzejewski1960 If you watch the last video Rushton really seems to self destruct. When asked if European barbarism and brutality was culturally or genetically based Rushton simply claimed it was part of human nature and that no race was more savage than another. So to Rushton when Whites produce a culture that tolerates crimes against humanity it is human nature. When a minority of individual Blacks commit violent crimes it is because they are Black. Does that make sense to you?
@andrzejewski1960 What is the difference in your view between a culture that tolerates crimes against humanity and crime rates? What makes one any less moral than the other? What's the difference between a group of individuals kidnapping, raping and enslaving and an organized collective effort of people doing the same thing? What's the difference between a series of murders and full scale genocide? Do we excuse the Japanese rape of Filipino women because it took place during war?
"I would appreciate it if you attempted to answer my question about organized atrocities vs. crime rates." Organized atrocities like Rowanda? Or were u talking about the war in Liberia???
See child soldiers
watch?v=-7PbhCmBoFY&feature=relmfu
Or did u mean the war between Japan/China/Korea
watch?v=V-UwU1-RVWs
Or did u mean the war in the congo? c the 14 year old girl who cut off a head
@andrzejewski1960 What I'm saying is that logically speaking organized atrocities could be seen as more of a reflection on the collective behavior of groups than an aggregation of individual crimes. You can point to some atrocities in Africa but they were not nearly as sustained as atrocities committed by White Americans alone when you consider the hundreds of years that slavery lasted coinciding with the genocide of Native Americans and followed by the violence of racist White hate groups.
@EgalitarianJay That's what I thought you meant.....whites are the cause of all the worst evil in the world. And the poor black men robbing, raping and killing their way accorss the the globe is just a reaction the opression of the blue-eyed devils who stole their culture, freedom. Ya know, that whole rape of mother Africa diatribe.
I think any blks who think that way should leave the usa and seek happiness elsewhere And yet, you will not leave. WHY? Please go, please...no, really !
@andrzejewski1960 The USA is my home. My African ancestors have earned their keep shedding their blood in every war the USA ever fought. A sentiment shared by Abraham Lincoln. My Native American ancestors predate the existence of the USA and European colonization of THEIR homeland so if you don't like people like me living in America you can go back to Europe. You aren't thinking intelligently about what I am saying. I'm not demonizing Whites or excusing Black criminality....
@andrzejewski1960 What I am saying is that if you are going to talk about crime and claim racial hierarchies in temperament between races based on criminality you should factor collective crimes against humanity into the equation. I do not prescribe to the idea of the Iceman's Inheritance and believe Whites are innately evil but point out that they have no claim on being less savage than Blacks when you consider White historical atrocities. This point was made to Rushton in the video.
@EgalitarianJay the reason you are able to point to white HISTORICAL atrocities is because we had/have the ability to maintain records of those. In africa there is always some group of blacks trying to kill some other group of blacks, i dont know for sure but i wouldnt be shocked if the number was well into the 100's of thousands a year. They never had the ability to keep the records of their atrocities through out history
@GiggleHz We don't have to go back very far to find White atrocities. If Blacks had gone to some foreign land and wiped out 90% of of the native population there would be a record of it. In the last 200 years the worst organized atrocities I have heard of in Africa are the genocides in Rwandan and Sudan. Those are nothing compared to the genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany or the genocide of Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere. Whites have collectively been more destructive than Blacks.
@EgalitarianJay blacks have always lacked the means to go to some foreign land, let alone be in a position of technological superiority to be able to wipe out a native population. Also i think that maybe the millions and i mean literally MILLIONS of lives saved yearly by white people maybe should be taken into any consideration when pointing out our flaws. Vaccinations, cures for diseases, i forget the figure but we feed something like 100 million starving people in africa every year
@GiggleHz My argument isn't that Whites are more prone to violence only that it cannot be said that Blacks are collectively more prone to violence than Whites. Whites have committed many more atrocities. You can point to crime rates which represent a minority of people and aren't universal across countries or small scale horrific incidents like child rap in South Africa but Whites have bred cultures that collectively tolerated and approved of atrocities. There is no evil race only evil people.
@EgalitarianJay if you want to PM me some of graves work, i will look at it. but again....if you want to cite one study where indians scored higher or lower than expected and try to build an argument on it i have to cite 100 years of iq test data,600 studies, SAT ACT ASVAB MME tests that all have nearly identical results. the wookie defense also is to take on anomaly and try to build your entire career/argument around it.....which blks do so often.
@andrzejewski1960 As I already told you the Native American conundrum is simply one problem with Rushton's theory. There are also the methodological errors and omissions of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter how many forms of intelligence testing show a pattern what matters is the cause and there is plenty of empirical evidence against a genetic hypothesis.
the blacks speakers are angry and frustrated. I think there is race riot brewing...
cirosuperiore 4 days ago
that's not a slide, dummy.
cirosuperiore 4 days ago
Native Americans are Asians because their art is similar...
Great argument Mr Rushton
unfathomablebo 2 weeks ago
@unfathomablebo Indeed. Rushton has no explanation for why Native American societies aren't equal to Northeast Asian societies despite being their closet derivative population. He's trying to claim that their temperament is similar to Asians. Hispanics are primarily of Spanish and Mesoamerican descent ("Caucasian + Mongoloid"). Hispanics communities have a problem with violent crime in America and lower IQs than Whites. How can that be genetic? Rushton has no answer.
EgalitarianJay 2 weeks ago
I see no changes all I see is racist faces. - Tupac
joaninoni 2 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate
There isn't even a proper way to define mongoloids, caucasians and negroids, let alone say which one is greater.
And to this date, no one has ever found an allele for a gene which is found 100% in one "race" and 0% in another race. Compare that with male and female differences where several dozen genes are known to be present in the Y chromosome.
Of course geographic differences exist, but for the most part we are talking about very high frequency in one group specifically.
0point00 1 month ago
Rushton really had no argument in this video. All he had was some may be, perhaps, possibly type hypothesis.
Racism is stupid.
0point00 1 month ago
@0point00 You are correct.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay No he isn't Jay and you know that. All Graves did here is criticise Rushton's application of r/K selection theory. As you well know there two components to Rushton's work: (a) discovery that a broad range of athropometric variables group into three taxa; and (b) an explanation of (a). Graves only attempted a refutation of (b).
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate Graves comment was not out of context. It fit perfectly within the conversation going on at the time. If that is not the case explain how. Rushton's application of r/K selection is central to his evolutionary arguments. His listed variables are all based around proving that there is a racial continuum in life history traits. Graves proved that his approach was unscientific and explained why his variables were unreliable and irrelevant.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago 2
@PiotrThePrimate If you want to discuss this on a message board we can do so. I have already directed you to a webpage where I have explained this issue in more detail. There is only so much that can be said on Youtube, If you are familiar with Rushton's work you know that it is impossible to address all 60 variables within the time frame of the presentations in this video which is why Graves wrote two articles to flesh out his points. Rushton cannot defend his own arguments.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@0point00 No, if you actually understand both Rushton and Graves you would find that all Graves tried to do in this debate is question Rushton's application of r/K selection theory to life history evolution and that is only a part of Rushton's work its is not the totality of it and it is actually of secondary importance to the result which he is trying to explain with reference to r/K Selection theory.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
The cheering in the audience in response to Graves suggests that Graves isn't really engaing his audience intellectually but rather emotively.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate He could be engaging them intellectually and they are reacting in an emotional way.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
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TheSweetSarahize 2 months ago
Look at the African continent. South Africa is the most developed country because of the presence of whites there.
that comment is not from its from a nigerian scientist
FIGHTFANNERD3 3 months ago
Did he say Hitler didn't believe in race?!?
That black guy is either totally ignorant or is in complete disregard of historic facts. Rushton clearly wins this debate not so much from the persuasiveness of his arguments but from the incompetence of his main opponent!
bossmastercheif 3 months ago
@bossmastercheif Graves sounds like he is referencing some quote of Hitler's where he stated that he didn't believe in races but used race to advance his political agenda. That's not very farfetched. I have read quotes in books elsewhere that Hitler was embarrassed by the archeological digs in Germany because they confirmed that German history was pathetic in comparison to Italy or Greece with their ancient civilizations. It isn't clear how much of his own dogma he really believed.
EgalitarianJay 3 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Rubbish! Hitlers belief in races & the struggle for racial supremacy is a well documented historic fact!
The irrelevance of the particular quote u made is pretty self evident as even if it is true it in no way even remotely confirms that Hitler did not believe in races!
PS: I never heard of these books & i'm not new to the subject who is the author?
I think u are just defending Graves because u are biased in this debate. It is Rushton that clearly makes the better arguments.
bossmastercheif 3 months ago
@bossmastercheif I just posted the full quote and reference to book that I was referring to in a PM. Fair enough? The point is that much was revealed about Hitler after the fall of Nazi Germany and he did make comments in private writings that revealed some of his insecurities about his own beliefs. In regards to Hitler's belief in race I can ask Graves for his source.
EgalitarianJay 3 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Thanks i received your PM & it is appreciated. Still, that quote in no way suggests that Hitler did not believe in races.
Hitler may have had certain insecurities about some of his beliefs (don't we all?) but he never made any statements in public or in private that ever suggested he was unsure or in doubt about his overall worldview, of which fundamental racial differences between humans was absolutely cornerstone.
By all means ask Graves for an explanation & keep me posted...
bossmastercheif 3 months ago
@bossmastercheif I just received a reply from Graves:
The source of that quote is an interview with a reporter prior to 1937. It has been so long that I don’t remember the scholarly source it came from. The quote in essence said that Hitler understood the limitations to racial constructs but that he was going to use race to move forward the National Socialist (Nazi) movement.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves Jr.
EgalitarianJay 3 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Thanks for finding out what Graves meant.
Personally i think this is a bogus quote or even if true has been made purely with the intention of charming American opinion. Clearly it has very little weight compared to the hundreds of other statements Hitler made which clearly prove his unshakable belief in fundamental racial differences between humans.
A serious scholar would never claim "Hitler didn't believe in racial differences" based on such flimsy evidence.
bossmastercheif 2 months ago
@EgalitarianJay One quote can't offset the hundreds of references to race and its importance that appear in "Hitler's Table Talk".
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay Hitler dedicated an entire chapter to race in "Mein Kampf". "Hitler's Table Talk" -- which is a collection of Hitler's private conversations -- is replete with references to race, it is a recurring theme in his thoughts. Further, his policies suggest that he not only believed in race but took the idea very seriously. The idea tha Hitler didn't believe in race is _very_ far fetched.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay Even if it were true that Hitler didn't believe in race -- which is highly unlikely given the contents of "Mein Kampf" and "Hitler's Table Talk" -- what is the relevance of that claim? How exactly would Hitler's non-belief in race help Graves refute Rushton's arguments?
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate Graves made the point that scientific hypotheses are often linked to social agendas and used Hitler as an example. This statement wasn't meant to prove Rushton's theory wrong. Graves made those arguments in his critique. His point was that simply advancing a scientific theory doesn't make you objective. Scientists and researchers can be biased and misuse science to support ideological agendas. Graves regards Rushton's work as pseudoscience.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay But that is still a _non sequitur_. Rushton could just as well have presented a thesis on the ideological agendas of those that deny the existence of race. You said, "His point was that simply advancing a scientific theory doesn't make you objective." If that is true then that applies equally to everyone in which case it isn't worth mentioning. It is entirely irrelevant to a debate about data and conclusion drawn from that data.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate It's not a non-sequitur. Graves comment is relevant to the discussion going on at that point in time. He was responding to Rushton's claim that being overly emotional in debate is a sign that someone is not being objective. Graves makes the point that even a dispassionate researcher can be biased and that scientific correctness is what matters in this discussion. He has in fact critiqued Rushton's work in detail and Rushton has no response to his arguments.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay I disagree , I think it is a non sequitur. Yes a researcher can be biased, that is a truism so it is not worth stating. Graves is just as vulnerable to anyone else to being biased and having a political agenda so the matter shouldn't even be raised and he should confine have confined his attention to the data, the method and the conclusions. I thought it a cheap shot and if Graves had full confidence in his case he wouldn't have felt he needed to venture there.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate The point he made was valid by your own admission and not inappropriate or illogical given the context. A non-sequitur is a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. Graves is not even talking about the data in that portion of the discussion so you're making a moot point. Are you following these videos in order and paying attention to the flow of discussion?
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay A non sequitur is also an out of context statement and that is what I am accusing Graves of making. Graves piece about bias is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
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Silicon valley, is the home of the brightest and most creative minds in our nation.
The 2010 census of silicon valley showed it's population was:
78% white
19% Asian
2.7% other(mostly native American or non-black ,Pacific islander)
0.3% Black
This dramatically illustrates the fact that blacks have the most primitive brains of any race.
It is truly heartbreaking to watch the primitive black race struggling to survive amongst intellectually superior whites and Asians.
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
speak into the microphone you diverse bunch of cunts
Darklordabc 3 months ago
Numbers done by FBI, Interpol, and many of the 'abc' agencies DO show a that between whites, blacks, and asians, there are much HIGHER rates of rape per capita in America, violent crimes, sexually transmitted diseases, crime in general, school dropout rates, poverty, etc.
These facts are NOT debatable.
But as to the cause WHY, Nature or Nurture I still can't figure out which one it is.
We need to know these things as a society and they need to be addressed with HONESTY.
RandomShellAccount 3 months ago
@RandomShellAccount Indeed and most of the commenters here don't realise that Graves didn't actually even attempt to refute Rushton's result that many anthropometric and social metrics indicate three latent taxa. All Graves did was attack Rushton's application of r/K selection theory to evolutionary life history of humans. That is ALL he attempted to do.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
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big difference between maliciousness and intelligence
w3bSpRiNt3r 6 months ago
big different between maliciousness and intelligence
w3bSpRiNt3r 6 months ago
@wyqtor
First of all the burden of proof is on racialists to show that evolution caused differences in the cognitive ability of diverse populations. That is what this video is about. Rushton advanced a theory Graves critiqued and debunked it. If you want to read an article advancing cognitive equality for geographic populations I can PM it to you.
MysticNinjaJay 8 months ago
@MysticNinjaJay I'd actually be interested in that if you still have it.
cogar48 6 months ago
@wyqtor
Name one society on Earth that is completely composed of smart people and absent of stupid and violent people. Get real. People all over the world have been enslaved throughout history. The enslavers often had the better weapons and resources.Having such does not make you smarter.
MysticNinjaJay 8 months ago
@annatar3
Racialists act like modern Africa is the sole product of native development. In reality we know that European colonists carved up Africa into its modern territories and are to blame for much of its turmoil. Every group has commited atrocities. Why are Blacks claimed to exhibit bad behavior because they are Black?
MysticNinjaJay 8 months ago
@MysticNinjaJay Their bad behavior stems from the same mental characteristics that facilitated their enslavement. A society of smart people is far less likely to be enslaved than one of stupid and violent people.
wyqtor 8 months ago
im shocked they even gave rushton a chair, they should have just nailed him to a cross. He had no chance of an unbiased, unemotional debate about race.
GiggleHz 10 months ago
@GiggleHz I should point out that the Rwanda genocide was influenced by favoritism by the French for the Tutsis over the Hutus based on racial theories. As for nailing Rushton to the cross I feel that he was given a fair chance to express his views. He was able to provide a full length presentation of his theories and answer questions without interruption. There's nothing wrong with getting emotional in debates and everyone has a position so noone is unbiased. Scientific correctness is key.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay lol k gotcha SO...really it was the blacks doing that because whitee made em right? besides thats ONE, there are many more. Not to mention how many thousands upon thousands of babies get raped to death in SA alone. All races are capable of doing horrible acts but blacks are much more likely to do so. YES YES the holocaust but see heres the thing, WHITES STOOD UP AND STOPPED IT TOO.
GiggleHz 10 months ago
@GiggleHz
Evolutionary wise there would be no need for blacks to be on (average) more prone to violence than whites. Lynching mobs, slavery, unfair assasination of the Inca king, destruction of Native Americans, Southern Amerindians genocide, colonization of declining civilizations,segregation,job discrimination, rewriting of history to benefit Eurocentric anti-semites. Rushton's work is considered Pseudoscience, and evolutionary biologists debunked this psychologist.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@sovietamerican2 well i dont know about that, from what ive seen of rushton he is a well respected scientist and his statistics are cold hard fact. Yes white people have done plenty of bad things its foolish to think that some race doesnt have the potential for violence, however blacks lacked the ability to go do the things, they never advanced enough to cross the seas, nor had the ability to keep historic records of their deeds so we have no points of example
GiggleHz 9 months ago
@GiggleHz Rushton from what I've seen is a qualified Psychologist however he is not well respected for his work on this subject. It is regarded as blatant advocacy of racism and described by one Biological Anthropologist as being "Bad Biology and "Inexcusable Anthropology." The association of violent crime rates with biology doesn't strike me as credible because even if crime statistics are high within a population crime represents the actions of only a minority of people within a group.
EgalitarianJay 9 months ago
@GiggleHz
Rushton is not a well respected scientist, only in the realms of pseudoscience and racist propaganda is Rushton a well respected charlatan. He talks about genes and biology when he in fact is neither a geneticist or a qualified biologist, not to mention he has been debunked by various professionals in the field. The only ones who drool when they hear Rushton speak are hereditarians, who need mediocre biology in order to sustain their pathetic claims of racial superiority of whites.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago 2
@GiggleHz
The concepts hereditarians bring up is always replete with assumptions and wishfull contemplation, not to mention conjectures. Environmentalists bring up (facts that can actually be proven), while hereditarians bring up assumptions, that not only are dystopian and unrealistic, but is just guessing and pretending they have any credible foundation to which their theories are buttressed on. These guys are just a small minority, or mavericks in the scientific community, the continuation
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@GiggleHz
of 19th century Cranial/anthropological research, something which has already been debunked by honest and realistic scientists. Not to mention the concept of female inferiority has also been debunked, as the IQ gap of females in some nordic countries and others have closed. Evolutionary wise, there is no reason for why blacks should be more pugnacious than other races, it simply does not have any scientific value, or biological relevance to the species of humans.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@GiggleHz
Homosapiens evolved in Africa, not anywhere else, so why should the African environment be cognitively less demanding than Nordic environments, which would by Rushton's Theories, render white caucasians more intellectually superior, while the Negroids ( a folk taxonomy by Rushton ) would be intellectually inferior. For 300 thousand years, Neantherdal Men living in western Europe failed to evolve cognitively in the harsh winters, while in Africa the humans evolved.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@sovietamerican2 Why should the nordic environments be equally demanding and why should the adaptations of different species with different evolutionary paths be the same? Are polar bears that much more smart than brown bears? The burden of proof of cognitive equality of populations under radically different selection pressures is on the egalitarians. I haven't even seen an attempt to prove why evolution would design the world in such a way to conform to the political ideology of left-wingers.
wyqtor 8 months ago
@wyqtor
Walking in snow doesnt make you smarter, take someone in Sub Sahara Africa, put him or her in a nordic environment, you will see that the ability of humans to reason, would allow them to survive.............You tool.
sovietamerican2 7 months ago
@sovietamerican2 Of course he would survive, thanks to the inventions of whitey.
wyqtor 7 months ago
@GiggleHz
Vitamins, iodine, proper pre-natal development and stimulation as well as education at a young age can very well close the IQ gap. Not to mention infectious diseases and other detrimental attacks on the human brain has been scientifically proven to decrease IQ and shrink brain size as well. But like your boy Lynn and Rushton, keeping with the tradition of pseudoscience, they simply ignore it, and go on with their racist theories. The Pioneer Fund is also racist, read its history.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@sovietamerican2 CONTINUED, but the fact remains they are more violent than whites, in africa it may have been more beneficial to be more violent on evolutionary terms. 90% of inter-racial crime victims are white, in the US alone for every 1 black woman raped by a white man over 200 white women are raped by a black man, list goes on and on, you can verify those if u like, there is not some huge conspiracy to frame the black man, they do it to themselves
GiggleHz 9 months ago
@GiggleHz You claim that Africans did not have the capacity to commit atrocities on the scale that Whites did due to lack of technology and didn't have records to keep of such things. Ignoring the historical periods in African history where this is not the case (ex. Ancient Egypt) African countries have had military and record keeping long enough to commit similar atrocities to that of Whites. The worst we have seen in genocide in Rwanda and Sudan. Horrible stories come out of Congo....
EgalitarianJay 9 months ago
@GiggleHz But generally African countries have not committed the same level of barbaric atrocities that people of European descent have. In fact some African and majority black countries have low crime rates.
EgalitarianJay 9 months ago
@EgalitarianJay the worst attrocities today are happening in black africa, i dont know how u can deny that. I know this from personal experience btw, been to congo, senegal, south africa, this are not places ull like to live in.
annatar3 9 months ago
@GiggleHz Black on White rape in the United States is overblown. For one thing because Whites are the majority there is a greater chance of them being victims of violent crime than vice versa. Black criminals are more likely to encounter a White victim than White criminals are to encounter Black victims. Tim Wise showed in his article The Color of Deception that Blacks actually victimize Whites at a lower frequency than chance would allow.
EgalitarianJay 9 months ago
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RandomShellAccount 3 months ago
@ 45 seconds in, you can hear those black chicks laughing in the audience. Exactly the kind of reaction I would expect as Graves waves his arms like a crazy man.
Once again, Graves gave the wookie defense!!!!!
watch?v=ddT8xBhBXys&NR=1
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 1. You don't know what the people in the audience laughing look like
2. At 0:45 Graves just finished showing a slide which showed a lack of a relationship between IQ and intrinsic rate of increase which contradicts Rushton's explanation for IQ score variation between races.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay 1. Yes, I do know what color they were. I can tell a blk voice from a white with 99% accuracy.
They are the same people that clapped for Graves when he tried to make a point.
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2. Graves was clearly shaken to the core, he was questioning his own IQ, wondering if he was simply a token blk professor.
I doubt you really are black. More likely a white liberal working at starbucks, psych degree, hoping to work for a "non-profit" as a career goal.
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 1. Sure you can. How about supplying some empirical evidence of that?
2. Shaken to the core and questioning his IQ? LOL! Please. He destroyed Rushton. Rushton had no cogent response to any of his arguments.
3. Apparently you can't identify a Black person by their writing. Your lame cheap shots reflect on your own IQ.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 1. Actually since you want to boast that claim I would love to put you to the test. How about it? I could look for 20 videos of Black and White women and provide you with 20 second samples of the voices from those videos. I could PM you the links and you provide me answers for the ones you think are Black and White. Then I will give you the results. If you can distinguish them with 90% accuracy I will acknowledge you have the ability.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Yes, I'll take the bet. I went to school with blk chicks for 19 years (more or less). No mixed race people. They need to be pretty damn black or whte. No in between crap.
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 You can't necessarily tell the full ancestry of a person by looking at them. I will attempt to find as many brown-skinned "Black" women and pale-skinned "White" women as I can find without there being enough phenotypic overlap that you can't tell which category they would fall under.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Do you really think there is no diff in the voices of blks and whts? If so, you really have drank the kool-aid. There is a diff in shape of nose and lips and that makes a diff. there is a diff in dialect and testosterone.
I remember in the oj trial when one witness said he heard "a black man yell" and Mr. Jonny Cock-o-ran objected claiming there was no difference in blk/white voices. Judge Lance Itto let Mr. Johnny get away with murder.....literally.
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 I'm still constructing your test so when I am done we will see if your theory holds true. Remember you pass if you can guess the Black and White voices with 90% accuracy.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
Adolf Hitler didn't believe in race? Fuck, this guy is lying through his fat lips! I don't think he should be injecting all this distraction. Rushton's theory is spot on.
strong8action 10 months ago
@strong8action I don't know what Graves statement about Hitler not believing in race is based on however he refuted Rushton's theory.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@TheTruthcentric "Rwandan atrocities had their roots in European colonial favoritism towards the Tutsi over the Hutu"
ALWAYS WHITIES FAULT. SOUTH AFRICA IS TURNING TO SHIT AND THE BLKS ARE BLAMING THE WHITES THAT USED TO BE IN CHARGE. THEY CLAIM THEY ALL HAVE PTSD....WHICH CAUSES THEM TO RAPE AND KILL EACH OTHER ! THEY STOLE THAT ONE OUT OF THE AL SHARPTON HAND BOOK. TYPICAL AFRO-LOGIC.
HAVE ANY OF YOU AFRO-CENTRICS EVER EXPLAINED TO ME Y EVERY BLK CITY ON EARTH IS A SHIT HOLE???
andrzejewski1960 11 months ago
This tape is pretty good. Thanks for posting. The belligerent attitude of Dr. Graves hurts his argument....badly!!! He is probably one of the leftist I have encountered on YouTube. I loved the "fierce anger" comment Rushton made as Graves shook with hate and anger...watch his head. LOL
Can you please correctly order the tapes? Hard to follow
andrzejewski1960 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 The video has 11 parts in full. I could rename them to Part 1 of 11 etc. I thought Graves retort was very good. Rushton accused him of politically correct lying as evidence by his emotional rage however anger as Graves pointed out can be a positive emotion. It can drive you to accomplish things. His comment about Scientific Correctness as also a good point. In part 11 I feel that Rushton really self-destructed with his reply to the last question.
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Yes, rename them so we can better follow them. Really good stuff regardless of differing opinions.
Rushton is only reacting 2 the belligerent attitude of Graves who said at the beginning he was going to be belligerent. Must be because Graves has 10% more testeosterone, deeper voice, more athletic .....WHICH WAS NOT REFUTED by anyone on the panel. What Rushton says fits together like a complex puzzel however, leftist have the ability to look at a cat and call it a dog
andrzejewski1960 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 Graves has written at least two peer-reviewed articles addressing Rushton's data. I can provide you with them via PM if you want to read them. He does address hormone biology and the testosterone claims. The deeper, louder voice stuff is a racial stereotype that Rushton has no scientific evidence for. That's all his research is about really. Trying to find scientific justification for racial stereotypes. He doesn't really understand life history evolution.
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 If you watch the last video Rushton really seems to self destruct. When asked if European barbarism and brutality was culturally or genetically based Rushton simply claimed it was part of human nature and that no race was more savage than another. So to Rushton when Whites produce a culture that tolerates crimes against humanity it is human nature. When a minority of individual Blacks commit violent crimes it is because they are Black. Does that make sense to you?
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago
@EgalitarianJay "violent crimes it is because they are Black. Does that make sense to you?"
we are all violent. nazis were brutal, the blk on blk genocide was pretty brutal in Roowanda.
whites have a better ability to wage war because of their advanced technolgy. in rowanda, they were using stone axes to kill each other.
i had an asian history class. google "comfort women" asians were pretty brutal as well....in WAR. the fact is, blks commit 8x more CRIME than whites
andrzejewski1960 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 What is the difference in your view between a culture that tolerates crimes against humanity and crime rates? What makes one any less moral than the other? What's the difference between a group of individuals kidnapping, raping and enslaving and an organized collective effort of people doing the same thing? What's the difference between a series of murders and full scale genocide? Do we excuse the Japanese rape of Filipino women because it took place during war?
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 I would appreciate it if you attempted to answer my question about organized atrocities vs. crime rates.
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago
@EgalitarianJay
"I would appreciate it if you attempted to answer my question about organized atrocities vs. crime rates." Organized atrocities like Rowanda? Or were u talking about the war in Liberia???
See child soldiers
watch?v=-7PbhCmBoFY&feature=relmfu
Or did u mean the war between Japan/China/Korea
watch?v=V-UwU1-RVWs
Or did u mean the war in the congo? c the 14 year old girl who cut off a head
watch?v=BwSa1BGBMjs
Or did you mean only WHITE people start wars?
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 What I'm saying is that logically speaking organized atrocities could be seen as more of a reflection on the collective behavior of groups than an aggregation of individual crimes. You can point to some atrocities in Africa but they were not nearly as sustained as atrocities committed by White Americans alone when you consider the hundreds of years that slavery lasted coinciding with the genocide of Native Americans and followed by the violence of racist White hate groups.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay That's what I thought you meant.....whites are the cause of all the worst evil in the world. And the poor black men robbing, raping and killing their way accorss the the globe is just a reaction the opression of the blue-eyed devils who stole their culture, freedom. Ya know, that whole rape of mother Africa diatribe.
I think any blks who think that way should leave the usa and seek happiness elsewhere And yet, you will not leave. WHY? Please go, please...no, really !
andrzejewski1960 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 The USA is my home. My African ancestors have earned their keep shedding their blood in every war the USA ever fought. A sentiment shared by Abraham Lincoln. My Native American ancestors predate the existence of the USA and European colonization of THEIR homeland so if you don't like people like me living in America you can go back to Europe. You aren't thinking intelligently about what I am saying. I'm not demonizing Whites or excusing Black criminality....
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 What I am saying is that if you are going to talk about crime and claim racial hierarchies in temperament between races based on criminality you should factor collective crimes against humanity into the equation. I do not prescribe to the idea of the Iceman's Inheritance and believe Whites are innately evil but point out that they have no claim on being less savage than Blacks when you consider White historical atrocities. This point was made to Rushton in the video.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay the reason you are able to point to white HISTORICAL atrocities is because we had/have the ability to maintain records of those. In africa there is always some group of blacks trying to kill some other group of blacks, i dont know for sure but i wouldnt be shocked if the number was well into the 100's of thousands a year. They never had the ability to keep the records of their atrocities through out history
GiggleHz 10 months ago
@GiggleHz We don't have to go back very far to find White atrocities. If Blacks had gone to some foreign land and wiped out 90% of of the native population there would be a record of it. In the last 200 years the worst organized atrocities I have heard of in Africa are the genocides in Rwandan and Sudan. Those are nothing compared to the genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany or the genocide of Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere. Whites have collectively been more destructive than Blacks.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay blacks have always lacked the means to go to some foreign land, let alone be in a position of technological superiority to be able to wipe out a native population. Also i think that maybe the millions and i mean literally MILLIONS of lives saved yearly by white people maybe should be taken into any consideration when pointing out our flaws. Vaccinations, cures for diseases, i forget the figure but we feed something like 100 million starving people in africa every year
GiggleHz 10 months ago
@GiggleHz My argument isn't that Whites are more prone to violence only that it cannot be said that Blacks are collectively more prone to violence than Whites. Whites have committed many more atrocities. You can point to crime rates which represent a minority of people and aren't universal across countries or small scale horrific incidents like child rap in South Africa but Whites have bred cultures that collectively tolerated and approved of atrocities. There is no evil race only evil people.
EgalitarianJay 9 months ago
@EgalitarianJay if you want to PM me some of graves work, i will look at it. but again....if you want to cite one study where indians scored higher or lower than expected and try to build an argument on it i have to cite 100 years of iq test data,600 studies, SAT ACT ASVAB MME tests that all have nearly identical results. the wookie defense also is to take on anomaly and try to build your entire career/argument around it.....which blks do so often.
andrzejewski1960 11 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 As I already told you the Native American conundrum is simply one problem with Rushton's theory. There are also the methodological errors and omissions of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter how many forms of intelligence testing show a pattern what matters is the cause and there is plenty of empirical evidence against a genetic hypothesis.
EgalitarianJay 11 months ago