Postmodernism came to reinforce the idea of subjectivity in terms of dealing with this life. And it was against what was claimed in the era of Modernism.
So a postmodernist basically is a person who in the school class realizes they do not understand the text book so they come up with the bright idea that nothing is true except that which I lay my individual perceptions to...Ignorance is bliss.
@TheSethIkrass nihilism and post-modernism really help you get out of the funk of worrying about right and wrong and how one should live. if there are no universal truths then you can just go about living in accordance of what makes you most happy... although you could go mad trying to figure out the best way to optimize happiness in YOUR situation step by step.
I find it weird that every public figure who talks about postmodernism talks about it sceptically or negatively. 'lost' 'pessimistic', he uses these words to describe it, but this is coming frlom the perspective of someone (presumably) who's faith is in certainty, reason, etc... It's different to modernism but it's no more pessimistic or any less optimistic? That's all up to the individual, and i keep seeing individuals talk pessimistically about it. embrace it.. it's worth it.
Absolute nonsense of a philosophy. "To deconstruct the 'truths' for what they really are" lol!. In other words, "To deconstruct 'truth'...for the truth".
that's the point. the 'truths' are culturally bound and related to power - so deconstructing that gives us more 'truth' then we had before. we see how the 'truth' is socially, politically and culturally bound.
@alliant No but there is a contradiction, to say that 'there is no truth' is affirming the truth or what is true about reality. I disagree that truth is also relative to individuals or cultures, for instance the earth will always be round regardless of what tribe in Africa thinks.
I don't think most postmodernists think there are literally no truths out there. I think the main objective is to show how easily we assume we've found such truth - and also how many truths are socially and culturally constructed in order to keep power structures in place.
@alliant I think it is a constructed 'lie' that keeps one or a society enslaved. The truth is supposed to liberate one from the fetters of ignorance and confusion.
that's what a lot of post-modern writers tried to do - bring awareness to these shackles of ignorance disguised as absolute infallible laws and truths. I just prefer to look at -any- philosophical school as potentially (and probably) useful to myself and other people. you just got to be careful not to run with the torch and proclaim it the universal, end-all philosophy
'the new age bullshit' is a huge over-generalization of many different types of philosophy, livelihood, belief, etc... try not to be so dramatic with things!
i think it's a way to re-instate the modernist confidence. we will deconstruct all the bullshit we can - and then we can get on with the great adventure.
@alliant completely agreed! that's a great way to look at it. However i do also find that we are better off not being slave to the modernist notions of certainty (perhaps this is also what you mean by stuff we will deconstruct) - it leaves room the individual to assert what is meaningful or important to them and follow through with that.. Me and my friends always joke about the ultimate conclusion post-modernism being modernism and a 'convictionless existentialism'...
people often forget that there is a hugely optimistic side to a lot of postmodern philosophy.. revelling in non-meaning and lack of meta-narrative.. a lot of the early postmodern artists (from which the philosophy later grew out of) had an intensely positive perspective on things (john cage to name one).. optimistic maybe not, but certainly not pessimistic.
aahhhh... i actually wanted to know about what is postmodernism...then what do i see..op is gospelcoalition...an unbiased explanation with no politics behind it?....i don't think so...nice try churchie mcchurch
The concept of four elements wasn't displaced by the current periodic table because of a shift in culture or power -- but because the earlier view of elements simply failed. Water, earth, air -- all could be broken down into simpler irreducible chemical entities -- and that understanding of "elements" led us to realize that "fire" wasn't an element at all.
The new idea took hold because it had much greater "explanatory" power.
@prodprod Well, the typical 'atom' that one can find on a t-shirt is but a caricature of a 'real' atom. What are atoms made of? What are sub atomic particles made of? What are strings made of? What is energy made of? For me, 'matter' is a fractal pattern with no logical conclusion; sure increasing the resolution of the image may have more 'expanatory power', but we use that power to heal, protect and cultivate, as well as harm, abuse and destroy. Progress in science is suscpicous now.
@brokenmetaphysics The notion of "for me -- matter is made of --" is a non-starter, as it suggests that somehow matter, at some fundamental level, is one thing for you, and perhaps a different thing for me. Is the mass of a proton one thing "for you" and a different thing for me? That would be rather interesting as it would mean that identical objects would have different masses and weights for you and me.
(cont'd) (2) The questions that you pose about the nature of the sub-atomic world, to the extent that they can be answered (if for instance, there actually are strings), the answers exist in the physical world, not in our "texts" -- not as an expression of our culture or our society's power relationships. E=mc(2) expresses an idea about the equivalence of matter and energy in our universe, not the equivalence of men and women, or workers and bosses, or Jews and Christians.
(cont'd) (3) The notion that this formula somehow ought to be understood as a cultural construct, or that the inverse square law should likewise be understood in those terms is simply ludicrous. Those who advance this idea utterly fail to comprehend what these expressions are conveying to us about the nature of the world.
The issue is not what things are as yet *not* known, but rather what procedures allow us, to the extent that it's possible, to know anything about the nature of the world.
@Trimbler00 im not looking for a argument simply asking....... if there is no truth no UNIVERSAL truth how can there be truth at all?? i think more so im looking at your phrasing of the comment "perception", how can universal truth be a perception if its universal?? AGAIN simply asking to pick your brain a lil bit..... thanks in advance for your response :D
if is so, than j.j. russoau is the first post modernist. look, somethings need to be kept and reaffirmed while other things need to be rethought and still other things be invented for the first time to add to the world. The spirit of the law says you have value, but what is your value-add to the world. think then who is responsable for the slackers and wankers of the world. GULGAFINGIANS. Learn the rules, work the system, build your OASIS, hope for the best. Vote.
What a load of crap. Postmodernism is cocktail chatter, but far more importantly, look at this guy's age. Do you know what Postmodernism really is? The collective cop-out of the Baby Boomer generation to continue building what our grandparents had built - civil rights, infrastructure, education, international institutions (UN and NATO), putting a man on the moon, they also had The Beat Generation. For a young person, don't be fooled. PoMo just legitimized behaving like a useless douchebag.
Nice description but he makes it sound so negative when it really isn't. Post-modernism is empowering. It seems to me to be the ultimate in personal responsibility.
Wasn't the enlightenment about individuality? Reason for yourself, not through faith, authority, tradition, etc. Think for yourself, that was post-scientific revolution, but postmodernism seems to just obfuscate everything.
So facts aren't true? Truth is subjective to cultural bias and personal interpretation? Science is just an opinion?
Well then, postmodernists, I invite you to drink a bottle of bleach. It's not really bad for you, that's just your opinion. After all, there's no such thing as absolute truth, is there?
@deadeaded It's not that they don't believe in the fact of cause and effect. The truth the post-modernists are skeptical of is moral truth and the truth of progress.
@sd42790 Many postmodernists define science to be NOTHING BUT the product of culture, i.e. has no bearing on reality. It's not as open-minded as you make it out to be.
_____I forgot where I read it, but some dude said that Postmodernism is basically cultural anarchy. A million little sub-morons with their own ideas about how things should be all go scampering around the publishing houses, universities and halls of government. Everybody has his or her own lil' agenda with no overall plan. Damn, it's no wonder why America can't beat a bunch of cave-dwellers armed with 50-year-old Soviet-Era firearms.
I thought this was going to be very subjective and bias but I think this man did a great job accurately defining postmodernism, this reincofrces my understnading of the defintion
yeah that is what i thought, i originally thought this would be a one sided argument, but he did a good job explain this complex definition in how we define 'modern' society.
Postmodernism came to reinforce the idea of subjectivity in terms of dealing with this life. And it was against what was claimed in the era of Modernism.
zakatov12 2 weeks ago
So a postmodernist basically is a person who in the school class realizes they do not understand the text book so they come up with the bright idea that nothing is true except that which I lay my individual perceptions to...Ignorance is bliss.
TheSethIkrass 3 weeks ago
@TheSethIkrass eh.... postmodernism doesn't discount pragmatism, it just keeps in mind that nothing is fundamentally immutable.
fosterj3435 3 days ago
@fosterj3435 yes I know but have you ever talked to a "post modernist" hipster prat...so annoying.
TheSethIkrass 3 days ago
@TheSethIkrass not sure that has anything to do with the prudence of post-modernism.
fosterj3435 3 days ago
@TheSethIkrass nihilism and post-modernism really help you get out of the funk of worrying about right and wrong and how one should live. if there are no universal truths then you can just go about living in accordance of what makes you most happy... although you could go mad trying to figure out the best way to optimize happiness in YOUR situation step by step.
fosterj3435 3 days ago
Thank you Bill Kynes, for i now get it. :D
roflmaoolbbq 1 month ago
REMODERNISM !!! NOT Postmodernism.
MistahWagwan 2 months ago
I agreewith Dawkins on this one. Postmodernism is rather a copout for religious bullshit than a strong support for atheism.
TheOneAndOnlyNerd1 2 months ago
A Postmodernist would say: "We are an interlude of light in infinite darkness."
Fapsamup 2 months ago
I find it weird that every public figure who talks about postmodernism talks about it sceptically or negatively. 'lost' 'pessimistic', he uses these words to describe it, but this is coming frlom the perspective of someone (presumably) who's faith is in certainty, reason, etc... It's different to modernism but it's no more pessimistic or any less optimistic? That's all up to the individual, and i keep seeing individuals talk pessimistically about it. embrace it.. it's worth it.
DamiaanVDW 4 months ago
Absolute nonsense of a philosophy. "To deconstruct the 'truths' for what they really are" lol!. In other words, "To deconstruct 'truth'...for the truth".
jimmyt3411 6 months ago
@jimmyt3411
that's the point. the 'truths' are culturally bound and related to power - so deconstructing that gives us more 'truth' then we had before. we see how the 'truth' is socially, politically and culturally bound.
alliant 4 months ago
@alliant No but there is a contradiction, to say that 'there is no truth' is affirming the truth or what is true about reality. I disagree that truth is also relative to individuals or cultures, for instance the earth will always be round regardless of what tribe in Africa thinks.
jimmyt3411 4 months ago
@jimmyt3411
I don't think most postmodernists think there are literally no truths out there. I think the main objective is to show how easily we assume we've found such truth - and also how many truths are socially and culturally constructed in order to keep power structures in place.
alliant 4 months ago
@alliant I think it is a constructed 'lie' that keeps one or a society enslaved. The truth is supposed to liberate one from the fetters of ignorance and confusion.
jimmyt3411 4 months ago
@jimmyt3411
that's what a lot of post-modern writers tried to do - bring awareness to these shackles of ignorance disguised as absolute infallible laws and truths. I just prefer to look at -any- philosophical school as potentially (and probably) useful to myself and other people. you just got to be careful not to run with the torch and proclaim it the universal, end-all philosophy
alliant 4 months ago
its just like the new age bullshit in religion
MirageScience 6 months ago
@MirageScience
'the new age bullshit' is a huge over-generalization of many different types of philosophy, livelihood, belief, etc... try not to be so dramatic with things!
alliant 4 months ago
In many ways, the cultural realisation of the flaws in a meta-narrative and in 'meaning' have been extremely liberating for the public mind..
DamiaanVDW 7 months ago
@DamiaanVDW
i think it's a way to re-instate the modernist confidence. we will deconstruct all the bullshit we can - and then we can get on with the great adventure.
alliant 4 months ago
@alliant completely agreed! that's a great way to look at it. However i do also find that we are better off not being slave to the modernist notions of certainty (perhaps this is also what you mean by stuff we will deconstruct) - it leaves room the individual to assert what is meaningful or important to them and follow through with that.. Me and my friends always joke about the ultimate conclusion post-modernism being modernism and a 'convictionless existentialism'...
DamiaanVDW 4 months ago
people often forget that there is a hugely optimistic side to a lot of postmodern philosophy.. revelling in non-meaning and lack of meta-narrative.. a lot of the early postmodern artists (from which the philosophy later grew out of) had an intensely positive perspective on things (john cage to name one).. optimistic maybe not, but certainly not pessimistic.
DamiaanVDW 7 months ago
aahhhh... i actually wanted to know about what is postmodernism...then what do i see..op is gospelcoalition...an unbiased explanation with no politics behind it?....i don't think so...nice try churchie mcchurch
670Kiester 9 months ago
If you're using YouTube, you're a postmodernist, whether you acknowledge it or not.
rlaist 9 months ago
@rlaist What the fuck is that supposed to mean? If anything, I would say the exact opposite.
alwaysright10000 8 months ago
Frankly, I think this idea is a lot of hooey.
The concept of four elements wasn't displaced by the current periodic table because of a shift in culture or power -- but because the earlier view of elements simply failed. Water, earth, air -- all could be broken down into simpler irreducible chemical entities -- and that understanding of "elements" led us to realize that "fire" wasn't an element at all.
The new idea took hold because it had much greater "explanatory" power.
prodprod 10 months ago
@prodprod Well, the typical 'atom' that one can find on a t-shirt is but a caricature of a 'real' atom. What are atoms made of? What are sub atomic particles made of? What are strings made of? What is energy made of? For me, 'matter' is a fractal pattern with no logical conclusion; sure increasing the resolution of the image may have more 'expanatory power', but we use that power to heal, protect and cultivate, as well as harm, abuse and destroy. Progress in science is suscpicous now.
brokenmetaphysics 9 months ago
@brokenmetaphysics The notion of "for me -- matter is made of --" is a non-starter, as it suggests that somehow matter, at some fundamental level, is one thing for you, and perhaps a different thing for me. Is the mass of a proton one thing "for you" and a different thing for me? That would be rather interesting as it would mean that identical objects would have different masses and weights for you and me.
prodprod 9 months ago
(cont'd) (2) The questions that you pose about the nature of the sub-atomic world, to the extent that they can be answered (if for instance, there actually are strings), the answers exist in the physical world, not in our "texts" -- not as an expression of our culture or our society's power relationships. E=mc(2) expresses an idea about the equivalence of matter and energy in our universe, not the equivalence of men and women, or workers and bosses, or Jews and Christians.
prodprod 9 months ago
(cont'd) (3) The notion that this formula somehow ought to be understood as a cultural construct, or that the inverse square law should likewise be understood in those terms is simply ludicrous. Those who advance this idea utterly fail to comprehend what these expressions are conveying to us about the nature of the world.
The issue is not what things are as yet *not* known, but rather what procedures allow us, to the extent that it's possible, to know anything about the nature of the world.
prodprod 9 months ago
postmodernism= greatest troll of all time
fredspass 11 months ago
Certainly there's no universal perception of truth, but does postmodernism believe that there IS not truth. I'm new to this shit.
Trimbler00 11 months ago
@Trimbler00 im not looking for a argument simply asking....... if there is no truth no UNIVERSAL truth how can there be truth at all?? i think more so im looking at your phrasing of the comment "perception", how can universal truth be a perception if its universal?? AGAIN simply asking to pick your brain a lil bit..... thanks in advance for your response :D
pm12charlier 10 months ago
if is so, than j.j. russoau is the first post modernist. look, somethings need to be kept and reaffirmed while other things need to be rethought and still other things be invented for the first time to add to the world. The spirit of the law says you have value, but what is your value-add to the world. think then who is responsable for the slackers and wankers of the world. GULGAFINGIANS. Learn the rules, work the system, build your OASIS, hope for the best. Vote.
rgaleny 1 year ago
What a load of crap. Postmodernism is cocktail chatter, but far more importantly, look at this guy's age. Do you know what Postmodernism really is? The collective cop-out of the Baby Boomer generation to continue building what our grandparents had built - civil rights, infrastructure, education, international institutions (UN and NATO), putting a man on the moon, they also had The Beat Generation. For a young person, don't be fooled. PoMo just legitimized behaving like a useless douchebag.
Zelathago 1 year ago
1.) His use of the term "modernity" is a sort of swindle--there is no time period wherein intellectuals were completely unified by doctrine or goal.
2.) Perspectivalism does NOT necessarily entail the denial of truth.
3.) The affirmation of perspectivalism entails that there is "objective" truth.
4.) Talk of "objective truth" only makes sense if you tacitly accept distinctly MODERN notions of the subject, object, and perception.
5.) The lack of clarity in "postmodern" thought is astounding.
antipostmodernist 1 year ago
How it was explained by this guy..
Postmodern thought is beautiful.
Subjectivist 1 year ago
Nice description but he makes it sound so negative when it really isn't. Post-modernism is empowering. It seems to me to be the ultimate in personal responsibility.
bzath666 1 year ago
@bzath666
Wasn't the enlightenment about individuality? Reason for yourself, not through faith, authority, tradition, etc. Think for yourself, that was post-scientific revolution, but postmodernism seems to just obfuscate everything.
AR333 1 year ago
So facts aren't true? Truth is subjective to cultural bias and personal interpretation? Science is just an opinion?
Well then, postmodernists, I invite you to drink a bottle of bleach. It's not really bad for you, that's just your opinion. After all, there's no such thing as absolute truth, is there?
You're all insane...
deadeaded 1 year ago
@deadeaded It's not that they don't believe in the fact of cause and effect. The truth the post-modernists are skeptical of is moral truth and the truth of progress.
sd42790 1 year ago
@sd42790 Many postmodernists define science to be NOTHING BUT the product of culture, i.e. has no bearing on reality. It's not as open-minded as you make it out to be.
AR333 1 year ago
OF COURSE! We can't know any certain truths. Therefore the Christian god must exist!
juslecc 1 year ago
So many Christian attacks against post-modernism...defensive much?
reclusivesage 1 year ago
according to the teachings of postmodernism one can say that postmodernism itself is garbage.
helpdonate1 1 year ago 21
@helpdonate1
AND BE A POSTMODERNIST!
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@helpdonate1 Perhaps its greatest flaw
redcommander27 1 year ago
@helpdonate1 With respect, according to common sense one can that postmodernism itself is garbage.
stoprainingonme 11 months ago
@helpdonate1 garbage is another beings treasure.... see compost...
estoboy29 8 months ago
@helpdonate1 whatever helps you sleep at night.
fosterj3435 3 days ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
Too bad a lot of metanarratives are not open to interpretation.
mtb416 1 year ago
Sadly, you've reminded me of grad school bullshit!
Tsnore 1 year ago
_____I forgot where I read it, but some dude said that Postmodernism is basically cultural anarchy. A million little sub-morons with their own ideas about how things should be all go scampering around the publishing houses, universities and halls of government. Everybody has his or her own lil' agenda with no overall plan. Damn, it's no wonder why America can't beat a bunch of cave-dwellers armed with 50-year-old Soviet-Era firearms.
Egglesplork 1 year ago
very good explanation of Postmodernism in brief. it helped me a lot. Thanks very much
monsieurashishk 1 year ago 2
Well said, and similar to other accounts where postmodernism is incredulity toward all metanarratives.
gedgetips 2 years ago
I thought this was going to be very subjective and bias but I think this man did a great job accurately defining postmodernism, this reincofrces my understnading of the defintion
redcommander27 2 years ago 22
@redcommander27
yeah that is what i thought, i originally thought this would be a one sided argument, but he did a good job explain this complex definition in how we define 'modern' society.
okay081 1 year ago
@redcommander27
It reinforces my previous opinion that it's absolute nonsense.
Diosibundo 1 year ago