@GermanEfficiency you what? she didnt oppose a 'unifiaction' of europe. she opposed the communist block and wanted european nations liberated and self governing. What you said is the opposite of what she wanted,
@GermanEfficiency She's just afraid that once Eastern Germany and Western Germany unify together, Germany will become a country that's way more powerful than Britain. Her fear's right. Germany has been able to produce better products than Britain.
Thatcher was simply worried about her country's future. It pisses Germans off because they believe she's selfish.
However, if you put yourself in her position, you would do the same thing, too. It's just human nature.
0:20 Screw you Thatcher!!! You was the biggest enemy of the German unity and of the European Union, what she is talking about how happy she is, is only a farce. To bad that a great Country like Great Britan had such a bitch in the biggest Politic Position of this Country. Thatcher was for the Wall and not against it, like she was talking about in this Video.
@dronespace Give it a little more thought. For centuiries Britiain ALWAYS opposed a centralizing power in Europe in order to seek mastery of the world for itself, and fought wars of aggression there to keep it divided. Thatcher didn't fear Germany as a military threat. She was the last who believed that Britiain was still a power with an empire and that Britannia ruled the waves. Britain dabbled in Europe and caused endless wars. Bury her in the Malvinas! Pull the cork
how can u create a border in a country of ur OWN ppl...its beyond me.....kudos to the border guards who finally realized that Germany is one and not West & East!!!
@AggroBuLLeT the fall of the berlin wall was a world event and the beginning of a new and free Europe, but we have a new threat now. America was powerful enough to contain russia during the post war years, who will stand up to china in the next fifty years? Communism is not dead yet, and the next super power is pure communist. Will there be a nation who can stop china? I dont think so. unless the west and russia stands together to stop it.
@handofsutekh Hong Kong is a small island, British territory until 1997, the deal was when hong kong was given back to china it remained capitalist, however in the last ten years many rights and freedoms have been taken away from hong kong, it is less free now than it was under britain, and also china is looking more towards free trade when it benefits them, but they are also protectionists when it doesn't benefit them. the west is in decline and we cant rely on America forever unless united
@alexandertory I know all that...I don't see why you're telling me? Article 31 of the Chinese constitution stipulates that free trade zones can be created so that China can interface with the global economy in ways that "pure communist" nations (ie USSR) weren't able to. Hong Kong & Macau operate under that article. I'm saying that it's wrong to say China is "Pure Communist" (ie Marxist-Leninist), when it has a 2 systems one state model. China would probably rather export & profit than conquer
@alexandertory Don't worry. The Chinese aren't "communists". Their people have 'property rights' guarantees in their constitution (and stick to them!) Canada on the other hand has no such rights and is imposing draconian communist-style controls on peoples right to use their land. Who would want to stop China and why?
@GermanEfficiency : I may not have the words exactly right, but Benjamin Disraeli said, "The world is not governed by those whom we PERCEIVE to be in power." He who has the gold makes the rules, to which I answer, how he came to be in POSSESSION of that gold is a matter for serious observation and investigation(Switzerland.). I do not intend to live the the remainder of my life as a pawn on somebody else's "chessboard".
@GermanEfficiency : Israel, England and Switzerland are three of the most corrupt nations on the globe. England functions on assumptions of blood inheritance, Switzerland steals from everyone and calls itself neutral, and Israel is founded on totally false religious assumptions and teachings which have been meaningless for millenia. All will be made right soon. Patience is a virtue, and love conquers all.
@buzzclick500 Gee, how much Arab money sits in your pocket? The 3 countries you mention are foremost innovative countries whose research has raised all of humanity's living standards. Except Muslims, who refuse to be innoculated and educated.
@adasaro50 : Innovative is the positive side of conniving. I feel strange having this conversation, because I hold Singapore in very high regard--high standards in apparently everything.
@buzzclick500 By love, do you mean using sex to raise the birthrate of one group, which is now growing more than any other group on Earth by having tons of children? Some of those children, especially from poor families, are then exploited to be homicide bombers, with families receiving stipends for sacrificing the child. Patience is a virtue, compared to using homicide bombing for political change.
Margaret Thatcher should be so glad that England got away from the practice of beheading their traitors--if they had ever realized what she was promoting, that would have been the end of her.
I hope I´m no wrong: ...but did Britian not loose a huge part of its power since WW1? After WW2 Germany became again the focus of europes history - a divided, highly armed battlefield for WW3. As a german I understand Mr.Thatchers position in 1989/90! The british Empire was merely a recall, the US seemed to be the only Superpower and the `continent´ appeared to be not even friendly enough to accept an old-fashioned Greatbritain on its next run. Thank for the support at least...
I seriously doubt that Germany was a greater threat to the UK than the Soviet Union, but even if I took your decision it does not change the fact that this performance and her comments here are ridiculous. She never wanted this to happen.
The Uk became a puppet of the US since 1917 - in a financial depended way. Mrs. Thatcher had just to speak the english mind - and the common sense in her country was a anti-german since Wilhelm II. spoke his cranky mind more the loud...
Yes! She was/is a politician - so what should she had to say: `My dear Britians, this is the beginning of the end! Our archenemy is going to reunite, the commonwealth is in danger! I have just conferred with washington, and nowone over there takes our sorrow serious!´ Dont exspect any politician to say anything but the truth. Kohl didnt, Bush didnt, Mitterand didnt... a.s.f.a.s.o.
@Dalek1230 Complete nonsense. She and Helmut Kohl became bitter enemies (the only one he had really) when pulled that stunt opposing German reunification. She did NOTHING to bring it about. Regan helped set it in his actions vis a vis the USSR, but it was really Gorbachev who UNDERSTOOD that communism would not work despite all efforts, and opened the door to peaceful change. Kohl walked through it despite Thatcher's effort to slam it shut.
@11Kralle Not a bad trolling. But I am compelled to answer anyway! XD Er, no. Yes, the UK did become dependent upon US aid after the war - the second world war. As for 'england' being anti-german since the time of Kaiser Wilhelm II, that claim is also sketchy. For his part, he was an anglophile but did make a fair few PR gaffes. However it's fair to say that yes, Wilhelm was either rather barmy or as you said a cranky and escapist man, frustrated with the realities of his life...
I like to get any kind of answers! Trade some insults, adore me meaningless or just even speak off your mind. Theres nothing wrong with it! I do not really know the picture of germany in the UK - since your press is a free one, You could maybe find the whole spectrum from `retarded Nazi-crap´ to `a well-beloved european neighbour´ on its publications. Everytime I meet british people here, they seem well informed, slightly amused and fascinated about enjoyable german-beer-varieties.
Was I trolling? I must concede, that Wilhelm II was a frustrated man since WWI, but the prussian King Wilhelm and `Emporer´ from 1888 seemed to me (Ive red the biographie of Röhl and some contemporary works about the `Kaiser´ until 1913) a selfoverwhelmed and multigeniously acting Jerk. He slapped the bulgarian king on the butt, he screamed instead of explaining and felt himself a living legend, a polyhistor or whatsoever. That gave a first class diplomatic leverage to his enemies.
@11Kralle Interesting. But, what has this to do with Thatcher, anti-German sentiment and the relationship between the UK and the US? (I honestly don't recall the gist of what we were getting into)
I found an old answer of yours during the actual clean-up of my mailbox, so I wrote back that late! Its not the `I was right´-thing, just my sense of owing someone a good answer. I think its not that surprising, if a british premier has not his whole heart for germany at the end of the 80s. To be honest too, I dont know much about Mrs. Thatcher and should not write assumptions to someone from her cultural background. So, please dont mind my chatting back. Have a nice sunday!
@11Kralle Eh, you don't have to be of a culture to have something to say about it. I knew willie was a bit barmy, but... heh. You have a nice day too.
That's wrong. She was strongly against the reunification. That's a historical fact.
It was George Bush senior who had to put her back in place. She was one of those ridiculous Brits who thought that a strong Germany would start WW3 or something like that. She didn't like Germany at all.
@Lintflas Hitler never wanted conquer Britannia. Hitler wanted peace with Britannia after France surrendered 1940. Churchill forced Germany continue war in west. Hitler never wanted rule whole Europe or occupy it. It was that notorious 1919 Versailles peace treaty, which was behind the WWII, very unfair for Germany and terms economically impossible to fulfill. Hitler was against communism and the Stalin´s Soviet Union. Poland acted stupid way when they did not ally with Germany against Stalin.
I agree, but don't tell this inconvenient truth to the victors. They won't like it ;-)
There's a famous letter exchange between Hitler and the british PM Chamberlain, where Hitler mentioned several times that he didn't see Britain as enemy, but post war propaganda still tries to teach us that it was just a diversionary tactic by Hitler, but that's wrong.
@Lintflas Your point is warped. Hitler broke nearly every point on the treaty of Versailles and then invaded a British ally. we delivered an ultimatum to Nazi Germany demanding they withdraw - which they ignored.
Claiming that the UK instigated the war is ridiculous, and only possibly fathomable to a biased mind devoid of reason.
Your comment confirms your lack of knowledge about the versailles treaty. I advice you to read a history book, but maybe your british history books are different from the rest of the world ...
@Lintflas Some times, during WWII, Sir Churchill called Germany : " The force of retardment of evolution ".Roosevelt , at the end of war was constantly proposing to exterminate the German State ( not the individuals, obviously). That land of 9 months of freezing cold and chucruts ,survives only thanks to esthetic-scientific-cultural hegemonic propaganda bullshit. A move as the nazism ,dont disappears within 100 years. Or can you believe in Nina Hagen and the Berlin´s Love Parade ?
England always tried its best to keep down Germany, but they never fought us on their own, because they feared to meet us one on one on a battlefield but Germany as an economy and even as a society was ALWAYS superior to England. This is a fact, and nothing in this world will EVER wash it away.
We're a great nation, not because we want to, but because we simply are, and this is what they all feel deep inside.
@Lintflas No doubt. Germany miracle was built with not only enormous reserves, from Marshall Plan . But also form enormous war gold deposits from Swiss Banks , abundant foreigners cheap working force , third world cheap food , South America cheap steell and minerals , the strong interest of US partnership , and a lot of intelectual big hegemonic fakes. Even Andorra can be one of the greatests, with such method,until the urge to keep expanding economy , whith war industry , again.
@Lintflas Please read my coments above. Not bad to say that the efforts to reunite Germany, after the wall fall , was a complete failure, because German remains two:The Nazist and the Hitlerist.
@GBOY69GAY Nazi Germany invades Poland, Belgium, France, and the rest of Europe, it breaks a treaty which was created to prevent Germany ever reaching military power again, it exterminates 6 million Jews, and attempts to invade Russia and the UK, and you expect us to look upon them as the good guys?
@Wikkiter I recommend you to check the Poland´s political leaders public speeches before WWII and the era´s documents. Poland wanted war against Germany and discriminated German minority. Poland´s idiotic leaders wanted war against Germany. They wanted stole Germany´s land areas in east. Poland belived that France together with Poland will win Germany easily. Hitler´s temporary unholy alliance with Stalin destroyed the plan. Tell more pathetic Zionist jew propaganda about 6 million jews. Heh :)
@Wikkiter Hitler´s unhuman jew discrimination policy and the concentration camps were real. I do not try deny that. Conditions on those camps were horrrible, a lot of people died there because horrible conditions and diseases. Mussolini never understod Hitler´s jew policy. But what comes that hugely inflated 6 million victim number and gas chambers for people, it is only a propaganda myth created by WWII winners, especially Stalin´s anti fascist comitee. The real victim number is much smaller.
@Wikkiter Kaiserreich ( from wars incorporating France , Denmark, Austrian territories)...Junkers ( Prussian military-monarchic savage capitalism) , AlldeutscherVerband ...,von Treitschke and the "vital space" ...Burchenschaft ( ancestor of the Hitler Jugend )...God ! all is "obedience to all above,extreme rage to all below "... DO YOU BELIEVE A COUNTRY WITH SUCH ANCIENT XIX century STRUCTURE , REALLY ACHIEVED A SELF-WAY ( Sonderweg) ? NPD and Neo-nazis are just apex of an iceberg !
there is no such a thing called freedom, there is just hope for freedom..society is full of codes, traditions and laws... we are tied to those things.The fall of Berlin wall just showed how strong western illusion of freedom is.All the same problems are still exist now without the wall...
Margaret Thatcher was really a pretending bitch. It is easy to see. United Germany in Europe was actually her worst nightmare and she tried desperately prevent it behind the scenes. Margaret Thatcher knew that re-united Germany will be the leading coutry in Europe which dominates Europe´s economy and politic and the era of Britannia´s greatness will be forever over in the world and in Europe. Margaret Thatcher really disliked Helmut Kohl.
Wo dislikes `Birne´ (peaches) not? He is a fat sack of crap - he ever was! As first professional politician Helmut headed for his aims without any respect whatsoever. He betrayed his party, his friends, his voters - but he stubbornly avoided to betray those, who gave him illegal-millions for their pity and selfish aim: the mob... No wonder his wife killed herself at least! The first lady of a christian-party,who could not stand the heavenly light of GOD!!!
Margaret Thatcher hated Helmut Kohl bitterly and she tried desperately prevent the re-unification of Germany together with France´s president François Mitterrand. It was impossible because the Soviet Union was ready to accept the re-united Germany and the USA had nothing against it. Then there was too that many decades cold war era propaganda, which was pro Germany re-unification. Thatcher realised that Germany will be the leading coutry in Europe and Briannia has no any more even it´s empire.
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Bah. Yet another video involving Germany where Hitler is pulled out of the hat to be discussed again.
It is true that polish partisans were firing at german border guards for some time before the war. Poland was very cocky and didn't even talk directly with Germany, but through England (Polish embassy in London - british envoys - German embassy).
Poland was so strong they beat Soviet on their own in 1921? If Poland would have joined Hitler though, they would have been exterminated after d war.
Oh, this is great. I open a Video about Thatcher and the Berlin Wall, I look at the comments and the first thing I see is a huge discussion on Hitler and Chamberlain. Guys, you are completely obsessed with World War II. There are other topics worthy of discussion.
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I fact Miss Thatcher and many Brits were very concerned and wary about the german unification. Maybe they feared a powerful germany to start world war 3?
Don't get me wrong. I like Britain very much and met many lovely people there but the reaction of Miss Thatcher was ridiculous.
Always remember, it was Englands Churchill who declared war on germany back in those dark days, not the other way round.
@Lintflas Are you seriously suggesting that World War II was instigated by Britain? Do you not think that Hitler's actions were deliberately inflammatory and aggressive? And, actually, Churchill wasn't Prime Minister at the start of the war - it was Chamberlain who eventually declared war on Germany after exhausting the misguided policy of appeasement.
@UnitedBritannia Yep, i made a mistake, sorry. It was Chamberlain who declared the war. I'm suggesting nothing, and I never would come to fucking Hitlers defence, but the nazis tried their best to make a non aggression pact with Britain because Hitler didn't want to fight you. Britain declared war on the nazis because of it's contract to Poland. I mentioned this, because I read many comments by Brits who think that germany started the war against britain, and that's wrong.
@Lintflas And to make it clear, we learn exactly the same about the nazi era at school as you Brits learn. We don't have another point of view and we don't try to conceal anything.
Miss Thatchers reaction on the unifiation was ridiculous because it showed the backward-looking britsih view on post war germany. In fact the germans don't want their soldiers to invade anyones country anymore. We even want to reduce our army to a a minimum to make sure this will never happen again.
@Lintflas If the Nazi's had been "trying their best to make a non-aggression pact" then they would NOT have invaded Poland and would NOT have continued their policy of aggressive expansionism. The notion that Hitler was some kind of misunderstood peace keeper, eager to avoid war, is quite frankly absoloutley laughable.
@UnitedBritannia Did they ever tell you, how polish partisans crossed the border to germany to attack german towns before Hitler attacked them? Did you ever wonder why Hitler himself said on german radio "Ab 5.45 Uhr wird zurückgeschossen" ( from 5.45 this morning we RETURN fire") ? research his speech if you don't believe me. In 1938 (oct, 24) Joachim von Ribbentrop tried to make a non aggression pact with poland for 25 years but Poland rejected it.
@Lintflas Now that is absurd! The POles never attacked Gleiwitz. That was pure Goebbels propaganda! It all came out in Nurnberg in 1945-46! The SS gathered KZ inmates, dressed them as Polnisch soldiers, killed them and put their bodies around the station. This was the lame excuse he needed to invade Poland. Poland never bargained with Hitler because they knew he would turn on them eventually. besides, they didn't want to give up Danzig or the Corridor.
@UnitedBritannia And of course that was just what Hitler's been waiting for, but it's not that simple. In fact Poland knew very well that england would declare war on germany because of the english-polish contract, so they didn't stop to tease lunatic Hitler. If I were an English I would also be a bit angry about Poland, because they forced you to declare a war through the backdoor.
@smoochym So why didn't Poland sign the non aggression pact for 25 years on Hitlers offer? Poland knew the consequences, but they rejected it because of their contract with England. They knew that their reject would involve England to declare war on Germany.
@Lintflas Let me also take on the idea you seem to be putting forth that Britain entered into WWII out of choice. The decision to declare war with Germany was taken because appeasement + diplomatic means had comprehensively failed, and Europe was being rapidly swallowed up by a violent fascist and his mighty armed forces. In addition to protecting the rights of Europeans, war was unavoidable in order to protect our own borders and ensure Britain's freedom.
@Lintflas But let me also make clear, I have the utmost respect for the German people and the ways in which they have created a prosperous, strong country increasingly at ease with itself after suffering greatly at the hands of a fascist leader. In many ways, Britain and Germany should be natural allies in Europe - we share many of the same goals and values. This is another tragic aspect of WWII - the damage it did to our two countries relations - although I believe this is no longer the case.
@Lintflas This country paid a very heavy price, in both blood and treasure (as did Germany and the rest of Europe), in order to protect the values of freedom and democracy that are central to our way of life. I'm afraid I strongly object to any suggestion that the conflict that tore Europe apart and destroyed the lives of millions was in any way avoidable and/or instigated by Britain - I totally reject your entire argument.
Of course it was avoidable. You, the victors of WW1, put the whole blame for WW1 on Germany. You arbitrarily cut Germany to pieces on a map and the Versailles Treaty was a declaration of war itself. It was the major cause for WW2, and YOUR british government was involved, so please don't tell me that Britain doesn't have to bear part of the blame. All parties involved had blood on their hands, one way or another.
@UnitedBritannia I reject any war between Britain and Germany because a war between genetic brothers is a PERVERSION. Stop buying the media propaganda.
@UnitedBritannia this is the official version of the story, the version wanted by the winners. rumour has it- only rumour unfortunately- that Britain instigated Italy to start the war in order to mitigate Germany expectations at the table of peace. sadly the documentation between Churcill and Mussolini that proves that was taken upon Mussolini execution by British intelligence to hide this uncomfortable truth.r u sure that British colonialism was exprssion of democracy and freedom?
@UnitedBritannia : Your government started it because they knew that America was young and dumb and could be convinced to join in the fight, conserving British resources for "better things" in the process. Franklin D. Rosefield(Roosevelt)also has a few things to answer for when he stands naked in front of God, for getting innocent Americans involved in a totally unnecessary bloodbath.
@Lintflas Please don not forget that PM Thatcher grew up during the days of Nazi aggression to Britain. She witnessed first hand the terror bombings of London by Nazi missiles and bombers. She lost many friends and family. If the situation were reversed and this had happened to you, wouldn't you have been as apprehensive as Miss Thatcher? Now she knows that today's Germany is the total opposite of the Third Reich.
Come on... German women lost 15 times more loved ones than England. No German complains about it, though we had to suffer a hundred times more than England.
Britain declared war on Germany, though Hitler told your government several times that he didn't want war with Britain because Britain never was his enemy. So I don't think Miss Thatcher still needs to behave like a princess on the pea 50 years after the war.
@Lintflas This is true...my family lost a lot the the War. My Opa was a highly-decorated pilot in the Reichsluftwaffe and my parents in the Hitler Jugend. Hitler used the Munchner Diktat as an excuse to buy time and keep England out of his plans for European conquest. England totally surprised Hitler when they declared war on the Reich over Polen. Hitler got caught in a trap of his own making...he expected Churchill to be a milksop like Chamberlain. Hitler used Chamberlain to gain territory!
Or take a look at the Russians. They lost 3 times more loved ones than Germany and 42 times more than Britain, but today no other NATO-nation has better relations to Russia than Germany. When the Russians got over it, you Brits can do as well. The Russians supported us while Thatcher didn't.
Her behaviour damaged the british-german relations. Without Thatcher we would have had strong economic relations for the benefit of both nations much earlier.
@Lintflas This ist very true..I grew up in the DDR and know about the Russians...However, Russia is not part of NATO or the EU. Yes, Thatcher's behaviour did damage Anglo-German relations somewhat. Maggie did eventually come to terms with it and accepted the Reunification of Germany. She is gone and replaced by a better person. So let us put the past where it belongs and look to a hopeful, better future! Mit vielen dank....
@Lintflas Neville Chamberlain was Prime Minister when he (Chamberlain) declared war - - not Churchill. Sir Winston became Prime Minister in May of 1940, 9 months after Germany invaded Poland.
@Lintflas i doubt that there would be such a war between britain and germany again during that time period unless however the Soviet Union had prevailed in controlling the new Germany - but they didnt. Basically, to put it as an image, it was Britain and America who helped Germany ride off on his tricycle, not the Soviet Union. By which I mean, Germany became a free country but it was the British & Americans who 'styled' the new country, government and it's future to their own democratic liking
Yep, the victors set us back on track by helping to found of the republic, but they didn't do this with unselfishness. And to make it clear, we made our way back to the top on our own. The Marshall plan was to give Germany credits (75 billion $) for the startup, but we payed back every cent.
I mention this because especially many Americans believe they did all the work, payed and build up Germany by themself, and this is completely wrong.
@Lintflas and yeah it was England's Churchill who declared war on Germany - but remember, Germany were asking for it. They had taken over several countries around Europe mainly through aggression and power-hunger such as assassinating Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss in 1934 or threatening Schuschnigg (later Austrian Chancellor) in 1938 etc. If Britain didn't act, they knew it would be too late and they too would be annexed. I think Britain's declaration is extremely reasonable : /
Germany was NOT asking for it. Take a look at history books and realise that Germany didn't want to fight Britain or USA. Initially lunatic Hitlers enemy was Russia and he wanted to take back german territory from Poland, but don't get me wrong, we're grateful to be liberated from this dark dictatorship.
That's why Germany sees USA and Britain as closest friends today, because we know what we owe to them.
Germany invaded ex-german territory in Poland (not several countries around Europe. This happened after the british declaration) and then Britain declared war on Germany because of their pact with Poland. Don't confuse the chronological order.
@Lintflas Oh no i agree with you that america and britain werent doing it because of unselfishness - it was more to allow a good future trading partner and so forth as im sure you'll agree. But please remember, Hitler took the Sudetenland, half of Czechoslovakia and Austria and started on Poland before Britain declared war. And the Hossbach Memorandum states that Hitler wanted war by 1943 at latest and for France and britain to be defeated.
@Lintflas And when I say 'Germany was asking for it' - i don't mean Germany literally asked Britain for war. I mean that Germany was partaking in so many agressive events (such as taking over Sudetenland, czechoslovakia, austria then poland) which almost made it SEEM like Germany was asking for war. It's imagery. Now you can argue that these area belonged to German which is a fair argument but storming into the country by force and assassination (for example dollfuss) is not justifiable.
@Lintflas Now I don't want to start an argument here :P At least we agree on that Hitler's a lunatic eh? :P but yeah you're German and i'm sure you know the history but I'm British and I have studied a course in Appeasement and the Road to War so I do know what I'm talking about as well :P Also, the course isn't all 'how wonderful and victorius we were', its more the about the actions and mistakes each side made just incase you thought the course was opinion based rather than fact based :P
Austria was annexed, not invaded, and as I mentioned before, lunatic Hitler invaded ex-german territory. This includes the Sudetenland which was part of Germany before WW2. All this mainly happened because of the Versailles treaty which arbitrary cut off parts of Germany, so Hitler wanted to take it back, "Heim ins Reich holen"
Of course these actions were questionable, but also comprehensible up to a certain point.
@Lintflas: Du musst darauf achten, dass du den Kontext nicht aus den Augen verlierst. Die Westmächte haben Deutschland nach dem 1. Weltkrieg in der Tat unfair behandelt. Aber das war NICHT der Hauptgrund für den Aufstieg Hitlers. Die meisten Deutschen wollten keine Demokratie und sind Hitler "auf den Leim gegangen". Österreich, Sudetenland etc. zu besetzen war die Vorbereitung für eine Art "Rassenkrieg" gegen die Juden und andere Völker - der Holocaust wäre nur der Anfang gewesen....
Ich bin klar der Meinung, dass Hitler ohne die vorherigen Ereignisse kaum Zulauf bekommen hätte. Hitler wurde sogar Anfang der 20iger Jahre wegen Volksverhetzung zu einer Gefängnisstrafe verurteilt, und seine Parteikasse wurde konfisziert. Als er aus dem Knast kam, hatte er keinen Pfennig mehr in der Tasche. Rate mal wer ihm seine Kasse wieder gefüllt hat. Es waren vornehmlich ausländische Unterstützer wie z. B. Henry Ford, Prescott Bush und andere.
You are wrong on Sudetenland. Sudetenland had never been German territory, it was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire till the end of World War I, when it became part of an independent Czechoslovakia and remained so until 1938 when it was forcibly transferred to Germany.
@Lintflas What a despicable thing to say, how dare you attribute Hitler's belligerent attitude to Churchill. Being so ignorant about history, perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself.
It doesn't speak in your favour to tell anyone to keep his opinions to himself, and it's not enough to learn that usual post war propaganda history stuff at school to conceive an opinion, because it mainly shows the victors view.
Yep, I suggest that Chamberlains declaration of war on Germany was wrong, because it turned a relatively small conflict into a world war, but the british government wanted this war, (though they still teach us all that it was inevitable) because they disliked a powerful Germany from the very beginning.
Britain had a pact with Poland, and the Russians also invaded Poland. If I were a Brit I would wonder why Britain never declared war on Russia.
@Lintflas: Do you know why the UK declared war on Germany? Because Germany (and I am German) followed an inhuman madman who destroyed vast parts of Europe!
Miss Thatcher made a big mistake anyway: She was DEAD AGAINST any kind of German or European unification so she deliberately treated Kohl as if he was Hitler which - as even her closest advisors realized - was unfair.
@stipefan11 : The so-called "U.K."(it's anything BUT)declared war on Germany because they knew that young, dumb, fresh-faced America would run to help "Granny" in her "hour of need." Since Franklin D. Rosefield(Roosevelt)helped to engineer the whole thing from the beginning, he was far worse than Reichpraesident Hitler could have ever dreamed of being.
"you can't suppress peoples longing for liberty" is this the same Liberty that the black people of south Africa wanted during apartheid yet you refused to act on because of the "British buisness intrest", fucking hypocritical bitch, she's fine with oppressive regimes as long as we could still make money.
@strathmann2007 ha. It depends what you mean by "an idiot". The vast majority you will hear about Thatcher will be negative, because negative voices are always louder. Ultimately she did some very good and some very bad. I can't think of another mainstream politician who has polarised opinions in the way she did. One thing is certain. This country would be completely different today if it weren't for her.
Imagine how bad life would have to be for you to, upon hearing news that the border was open, decide right then to drop everything, leave behind all that you know and possess, and run toward freedom.
dats just racist against yur own ppl :L im from ireland, so that would be like me wanting to build a wall around ulster to keep d nordis out:l y, theyr as irish as southys. east germans are as german as west germans
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Interesting. Communism won't work, nor will capitalism and nor will marxism. They are all flawed. It was thanks to thatcher and Reagan that the berlin wall collapsed even if thatcher heself didnt want germany reunited.
She, like Mitterand, was afraid that the Germans would try to start a third world war after starting two already. Of course, this wouldn't happen because the postwar Allied occupation successfully turned the Federal Republic into a peace loving working democracy.
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The Communist Party recruited a large number of foreign-language network commentator. The purpose is to distort the truth. Deceive the truth
So u r recreited by CIA talking in favour of the west licking their ass thinking it will make u look like a one of them?
U r talking shit in China,but i live in the western society, dont be childish thinking government in the west tells the truth.
theres no absolute freedom anywhere unless all government forms on this planet is destroyed
nobodys stoping u from going west, and just dont be upset when u realise no matter how hard u try lickin their ass, u r still chinaman who they enjoy raping
Thank god Chinese didnt get fooled by the west like poor soviet union...
SU used to be a superpower who's currency rate is same as US dollar...
a country who's been tear down into pieces, a country who's fighting among the same Ex-soviet brothers, a country who's economy depended only on natural resources, a country who's been surrounded by the NATO, a country who's no longer superpower...
when russians finally realised they've been fooled, its already too late...
I know thank god we no longer have economc growth, and we have the government telling us what to do at every step. The world is just so much better now!
I think she had legitimate concerns about a rapid reunification of Germany that would disrupt the balance of power in Europe. She has a reputation for being a revolutionary character, but she was also very pragmatic and cautious. Perhaps overly so (with hindsight!) in this matter, I agree.
But the collapse of the Soviet Union was hastened (note - not guaranteed by) by Reagan/Thatcher foreign policies during the 1980's - not to mention her support of Gorbachev ("We can do business together").
I agree Thatcher had legitimate concerns, and was genuine in expressing them, I've no doubt she would be willing to concede that she was wrong on this one. Sometimes its nice to be wrong.
She wasn't afraid that Germany got too strong as in economically.. she was afraid of possible military power..
XodoX 5 days ago
@acidoamigo89 nice one,my man,fuck thatcher.its well known she did not want germany reunited. horrible woman. hurry up and die you thatcher you cunt.
balearicsoundwave89 2 months ago
@GermanEfficiency you what? she didnt oppose a 'unifiaction' of europe. she opposed the communist block and wanted european nations liberated and self governing. What you said is the opposite of what she wanted,
Pringles352 2 months ago
not freedom, lack of choice
TheJaaysog 4 months ago
@acidoamigo89 Calling somebody a horrible person then wishing them dead kind of makes you a hypocrite.
MasterlyApprentice 4 months ago 9
@MasterlyApprentice stupid cunt.
balearicsoundwave89 2 months ago
@GermanEfficiency She's just afraid that once Eastern Germany and Western Germany unify together, Germany will become a country that's way more powerful than Britain. Her fear's right. Germany has been able to produce better products than Britain.
Thatcher was simply worried about her country's future. It pisses Germans off because they believe she's selfish.
However, if you put yourself in her position, you would do the same thing, too. It's just human nature.
ttiiyy 4 months ago
I hope that maggie is rotting in hell.
Teufelsnachbar667 5 months ago
@Teufelsnachbar667 Wouldn't she have to die first?
springdissified 2 weeks ago
@springdissified She is living in England .... she is rotting in hell ;)
Teufelsnachbar667 2 weeks ago
0:20 Screw you Thatcher!!! You was the biggest enemy of the German unity and of the European Union, what she is talking about how happy she is, is only a farce. To bad that a great Country like Great Britan had such a bitch in the biggest Politic Position of this Country. Thatcher was for the Wall and not against it, like she was talking about in this Video.
Lutz2 6 months ago
hypocritical whore
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jamestargetedindiv 6 months ago
Wunderbar!
Tazza17 6 months ago
@GermanEfficiency
Yes I've read that she was very opposed to a United Germany, as she actually feared that Germany could be a military threat again.
dronespace 6 months ago
@dronespace Give it a little more thought. For centuiries Britiain ALWAYS opposed a centralizing power in Europe in order to seek mastery of the world for itself, and fought wars of aggression there to keep it divided. Thatcher didn't fear Germany as a military threat. She was the last who believed that Britiain was still a power with an empire and that Britannia ruled the waves. Britain dabbled in Europe and caused endless wars. Bury her in the Malvinas! Pull the cork
historatia 6 months ago
IN HER EXCITEMENT MARGET THATCHER SAID......YES YES, OH HOW ID LOVE TO BLOW THAT RONALD REAGAN.......
1IIIIIIIIII1 7 months ago
margaret trasher \m/
samuelyeah 8 months ago
HYPOCRITICAL WHORE!!!
JackyRowe 9 months ago
how can u create a border in a country of ur OWN ppl...its beyond me.....kudos to the border guards who finally realized that Germany is one and not West & East!!!
shakysyxx 10 months ago
@shakysyxx We lost the war and the russians forced us to split our country. Thats why the cold war started.
AggroBuLLeT 8 months ago
@AggroBuLLeT the fall of the berlin wall was a world event and the beginning of a new and free Europe, but we have a new threat now. America was powerful enough to contain russia during the post war years, who will stand up to china in the next fifty years? Communism is not dead yet, and the next super power is pure communist. Will there be a nation who can stop china? I dont think so. unless the west and russia stands together to stop it.
alexandertory 7 months ago
@alexandertory they aren't pure communist, they have free trade zones like Hong Kong
handofsutekh 7 months ago
@handofsutekh Hong Kong is a small island, British territory until 1997, the deal was when hong kong was given back to china it remained capitalist, however in the last ten years many rights and freedoms have been taken away from hong kong, it is less free now than it was under britain, and also china is looking more towards free trade when it benefits them, but they are also protectionists when it doesn't benefit them. the west is in decline and we cant rely on America forever unless united
alexandertory 7 months ago
@alexandertory I know all that...I don't see why you're telling me? Article 31 of the Chinese constitution stipulates that free trade zones can be created so that China can interface with the global economy in ways that "pure communist" nations (ie USSR) weren't able to. Hong Kong & Macau operate under that article. I'm saying that it's wrong to say China is "Pure Communist" (ie Marxist-Leninist), when it has a 2 systems one state model. China would probably rather export & profit than conquer
handofsutekh 7 months ago
@alexandertory Nah im not scared of the east.USA + all Nato armies could defeat every1 IMHO.
AggroBuLLeT 7 months ago
@alexandertory Don't worry. The Chinese aren't "communists". Their people have 'property rights' guarantees in their constitution (and stick to them!) Canada on the other hand has no such rights and is imposing draconian communist-style controls on peoples right to use their land. Who would want to stop China and why?
historatia 6 months ago
@GermanEfficiency
Alter! Es ist ja nicht alles falsch, was Du schreibst - aber solltest Du als Deutscher nicht etwas weniger mit der `Wahrheit´ hausieren gehen?
11Kralle 11 months ago
haha go fuck berlin wall!
xblgamerftw 11 months ago
@GermanEfficiency : I may not have the words exactly right, but Benjamin Disraeli said, "The world is not governed by those whom we PERCEIVE to be in power." He who has the gold makes the rules, to which I answer, how he came to be in POSSESSION of that gold is a matter for serious observation and investigation(Switzerland.). I do not intend to live the the remainder of my life as a pawn on somebody else's "chessboard".
buzzclick500 1 year ago
We are moving into an age in which governments will understand that they are servants to their peoples, not their masters.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@GermanEfficiency : Israel, England and Switzerland are three of the most corrupt nations on the globe. England functions on assumptions of blood inheritance, Switzerland steals from everyone and calls itself neutral, and Israel is founded on totally false religious assumptions and teachings which have been meaningless for millenia. All will be made right soon. Patience is a virtue, and love conquers all.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@buzzclick500 Gee, how much Arab money sits in your pocket? The 3 countries you mention are foremost innovative countries whose research has raised all of humanity's living standards. Except Muslims, who refuse to be innoculated and educated.
adasaro50 1 year ago
@adasaro50 : Innovative is the positive side of conniving. I feel strange having this conversation, because I hold Singapore in very high regard--high standards in apparently everything.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@buzzclick500 By love, do you mean using sex to raise the birthrate of one group, which is now growing more than any other group on Earth by having tons of children? Some of those children, especially from poor families, are then exploited to be homicide bombers, with families receiving stipends for sacrificing the child. Patience is a virtue, compared to using homicide bombing for political change.
adasaro50 1 year ago
@adasaro50 : I'm looking for the comment I made about love, but I haven't found it yet. Are you sure you have the right person?
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buzzclick500 1 year ago
mhhh i wonder if everyone knows the hole true story?? O__O
JudiLoVEsMJ 1 year ago
and yet she never wanted the wall to come down in the first place
aberdeencat 1 year ago
Margaret Thatcher should be so glad that England got away from the practice of beheading their traitors--if they had ever realized what she was promoting, that would have been the end of her.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
british bitch!
Eltzic9 1 year ago
November, november... Oh disgracious 1918 november...
miguelmouta 1 year ago
Lol, what a pathetic performance. Nobody including the Soviets and the Communist world - fought that hard against the reunification as Mrs. Thatcher.
Stier19812002 1 year ago 15
@Stier19812002
I hope I´m no wrong: ...but did Britian not loose a huge part of its power since WW1? After WW2 Germany became again the focus of europes history - a divided, highly armed battlefield for WW3. As a german I understand Mr.Thatchers position in 1989/90! The british Empire was merely a recall, the US seemed to be the only Superpower and the `continent´ appeared to be not even friendly enough to accept an old-fashioned Greatbritain on its next run. Thank for the support at least...
11Kralle 11 months ago
@11Kralle
I seriously doubt that Germany was a greater threat to the UK than the Soviet Union, but even if I took your decision it does not change the fact that this performance and her comments here are ridiculous. She never wanted this to happen.
Stier19812002 11 months ago
@Stier19812002
The Uk became a puppet of the US since 1917 - in a financial depended way. Mrs. Thatcher had just to speak the english mind - and the common sense in her country was a anti-german since Wilhelm II. spoke his cranky mind more the loud...
11Kralle 11 months ago
@11Kralle
However, she pretends to be convinced of and thankful for the reunification, that's ridiculous!
Stier19812002 11 months ago
@Stier19812002
Yes! She was/is a politician - so what should she had to say: `My dear Britians, this is the beginning of the end! Our archenemy is going to reunite, the commonwealth is in danger! I have just conferred with washington, and nowone over there takes our sorrow serious!´ Dont exspect any politician to say anything but the truth. Kohl didnt, Bush didnt, Mitterand didnt... a.s.f.a.s.o.
11Kralle 11 months ago
@Stier19812002 Idiot she, Reagen brought it about
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@Dalek1230 Complete nonsense. She and Helmut Kohl became bitter enemies (the only one he had really) when pulled that stunt opposing German reunification. She did NOTHING to bring it about. Regan helped set it in his actions vis a vis the USSR, but it was really Gorbachev who UNDERSTOOD that communism would not work despite all efforts, and opened the door to peaceful change. Kohl walked through it despite Thatcher's effort to slam it shut.
historatia 6 months ago
@11Kralle Not a bad trolling. But I am compelled to answer anyway! XD Er, no. Yes, the UK did become dependent upon US aid after the war - the second world war. As for 'england' being anti-german since the time of Kaiser Wilhelm II, that claim is also sketchy. For his part, he was an anglophile but did make a fair few PR gaffes. However it's fair to say that yes, Wilhelm was either rather barmy or as you said a cranky and escapist man, frustrated with the realities of his life...
MAI742 10 months ago
@MAI742
I like to get any kind of answers! Trade some insults, adore me meaningless or just even speak off your mind. Theres nothing wrong with it! I do not really know the picture of germany in the UK - since your press is a free one, You could maybe find the whole spectrum from `retarded Nazi-crap´ to `a well-beloved european neighbour´ on its publications. Everytime I meet british people here, they seem well informed, slightly amused and fascinated about enjoyable german-beer-varieties.
11Kralle 10 months ago
@MAI742 thereyougoagain
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@MAI742
Was I trolling? I must concede, that Wilhelm II was a frustrated man since WWI, but the prussian King Wilhelm and `Emporer´ from 1888 seemed to me (Ive red the biographie of Röhl and some contemporary works about the `Kaiser´ until 1913) a selfoverwhelmed and multigeniously acting Jerk. He slapped the bulgarian king on the butt, he screamed instead of explaining and felt himself a living legend, a polyhistor or whatsoever. That gave a first class diplomatic leverage to his enemies.
11Kralle 6 months ago
@11Kralle Interesting. But, what has this to do with Thatcher, anti-German sentiment and the relationship between the UK and the US? (I honestly don't recall the gist of what we were getting into)
MAI742 6 months ago
@MAI742
I found an old answer of yours during the actual clean-up of my mailbox, so I wrote back that late! Its not the `I was right´-thing, just my sense of owing someone a good answer. I think its not that surprising, if a british premier has not his whole heart for germany at the end of the 80s. To be honest too, I dont know much about Mrs. Thatcher and should not write assumptions to someone from her cultural background. So, please dont mind my chatting back. Have a nice sunday!
11Kralle 6 months ago
@11Kralle Eh, you don't have to be of a culture to have something to say about it. I knew willie was a bit barmy, but... heh. You have a nice day too.
MAI742 6 months ago
@Stier19812002 Idiot she did it
Dalek1230 10 months ago
@Dalek1230
Nonsense, she was the greatest political opponent of the reunification, even when the SU and France principially agreeed.
Stier19812002 10 months ago
@19189073
That's wrong. She was strongly against the reunification. That's a historical fact.
It was George Bush senior who had to put her back in place. She was one of those ridiculous Brits who thought that a strong Germany would start WW3 or something like that. She didn't like Germany at all.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@19189073
It wasn't Britain alone who defeated Hitler. It were countless nations who ended his dark dictatorship.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Hitler never wanted conquer Britannia. Hitler wanted peace with Britannia after France surrendered 1940. Churchill forced Germany continue war in west. Hitler never wanted rule whole Europe or occupy it. It was that notorious 1919 Versailles peace treaty, which was behind the WWII, very unfair for Germany and terms economically impossible to fulfill. Hitler was against communism and the Stalin´s Soviet Union. Poland acted stupid way when they did not ally with Germany against Stalin.
GBOY69GAY 1 year ago
@GBOY69GAY
I agree, but don't tell this inconvenient truth to the victors. They won't like it ;-)
There's a famous letter exchange between Hitler and the british PM Chamberlain, where Hitler mentioned several times that he didn't see Britain as enemy, but post war propaganda still tries to teach us that it was just a diversionary tactic by Hitler, but that's wrong.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Your point is warped. Hitler broke nearly every point on the treaty of Versailles and then invaded a British ally. we delivered an ultimatum to Nazi Germany demanding they withdraw - which they ignored.
Claiming that the UK instigated the war is ridiculous, and only possibly fathomable to a biased mind devoid of reason.
Wikkiter 1 year ago
@Wikkiter
Your comment confirms your lack of knowledge about the versailles treaty. I advice you to read a history book, but maybe your british history books are different from the rest of the world ...
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Some times, during WWII, Sir Churchill called Germany : " The force of retardment of evolution ".Roosevelt , at the end of war was constantly proposing to exterminate the German State ( not the individuals, obviously). That land of 9 months of freezing cold and chucruts ,survives only thanks to esthetic-scientific-cultural hegemonic propaganda bullshit. A move as the nazism ,dont disappears within 100 years. Or can you believe in Nina Hagen and the Berlin´s Love Parade ?
miguelmouta 1 year ago
@miguelmouta
England always tried its best to keep down Germany, but they never fought us on their own, because they feared to meet us one on one on a battlefield but Germany as an economy and even as a society was ALWAYS superior to England. This is a fact, and nothing in this world will EVER wash it away.
We're a great nation, not because we want to, but because we simply are, and this is what they all feel deep inside.
Lintflas 1 year ago
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miguelmouta 1 year ago
@Lintflas No doubt. Germany miracle was built with not only enormous reserves, from Marshall Plan . But also form enormous war gold deposits from Swiss Banks , abundant foreigners cheap working force , third world cheap food , South America cheap steell and minerals , the strong interest of US partnership , and a lot of intelectual big hegemonic fakes. Even Andorra can be one of the greatests, with such method,until the urge to keep expanding economy , whith war industry , again.
miguelmouta 1 year ago
@Lintflas Please read my coments above. Not bad to say that the efforts to reunite Germany, after the wall fall , was a complete failure, because German remains two:The Nazist and the Hitlerist.
miguelmouta 1 year ago
@miguelmouta
Could you please explain to me, what the hell you're talking about?
Lintflas 1 year ago
@GBOY69GAY Nazi Germany invades Poland, Belgium, France, and the rest of Europe, it breaks a treaty which was created to prevent Germany ever reaching military power again, it exterminates 6 million Jews, and attempts to invade Russia and the UK, and you expect us to look upon them as the good guys?
This world is warped indeed.
Wikkiter 1 year ago
@Wikkiter I recommend you to check the Poland´s political leaders public speeches before WWII and the era´s documents. Poland wanted war against Germany and discriminated German minority. Poland´s idiotic leaders wanted war against Germany. They wanted stole Germany´s land areas in east. Poland belived that France together with Poland will win Germany easily. Hitler´s temporary unholy alliance with Stalin destroyed the plan. Tell more pathetic Zionist jew propaganda about 6 million jews. Heh :)
GBOY69GAY 1 year ago
@GBOY69GAY So the 6 million Jews just went on holiday did they? Get a grip you Neo-Nazi fuck.
Wikkiter 1 year ago
@Wikkiter Hitler´s unhuman jew discrimination policy and the concentration camps were real. I do not try deny that. Conditions on those camps were horrrible, a lot of people died there because horrible conditions and diseases. Mussolini never understod Hitler´s jew policy. But what comes that hugely inflated 6 million victim number and gas chambers for people, it is only a propaganda myth created by WWII winners, especially Stalin´s anti fascist comitee. The real victim number is much smaller.
GBOY69GAY 1 year ago
@Wikkiter Kaiserreich ( from wars incorporating France , Denmark, Austrian territories)...Junkers ( Prussian military-monarchic savage capitalism) , AlldeutscherVerband ...,von Treitschke and the "vital space" ...Burchenschaft ( ancestor of the Hitler Jugend )...God ! all is "obedience to all above,extreme rage to all below "... DO YOU BELIEVE A COUNTRY WITH SUCH ANCIENT XIX century STRUCTURE , REALLY ACHIEVED A SELF-WAY ( Sonderweg) ? NPD and Neo-nazis are just apex of an iceberg !
miguelmouta 1 year ago
@miguelmouta tldr
Wikkiter 1 year ago
there is no such a thing called freedom, there is just hope for freedom..society is full of codes, traditions and laws... we are tied to those things.The fall of Berlin wall just showed how strong western illusion of freedom is.All the same problems are still exist now without the wall...
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German Reunification - a stroke of luck! Unfortunately without East Prussia...
OstpreussenTV 1 year ago
Margaret Thatcher was really a pretending bitch. It is easy to see. United Germany in Europe was actually her worst nightmare and she tried desperately prevent it behind the scenes. Margaret Thatcher knew that re-united Germany will be the leading coutry in Europe which dominates Europe´s economy and politic and the era of Britannia´s greatness will be forever over in the world and in Europe. Margaret Thatcher really disliked Helmut Kohl.
GBOY69GAY 1 year ago
@GBOY69GAY
Wo dislikes `Birne´ (peaches) not? He is a fat sack of crap - he ever was! As first professional politician Helmut headed for his aims without any respect whatsoever. He betrayed his party, his friends, his voters - but he stubbornly avoided to betray those, who gave him illegal-millions for their pity and selfish aim: the mob... No wonder his wife killed herself at least! The first lady of a christian-party,who could not stand the heavenly light of GOD!!!
11Kralle 10 months ago
Margaret Thatcher hated Helmut Kohl bitterly and she tried desperately prevent the re-unification of Germany together with France´s president François Mitterrand. It was impossible because the Soviet Union was ready to accept the re-united Germany and the USA had nothing against it. Then there was too that many decades cold war era propaganda, which was pro Germany re-unification. Thatcher realised that Germany will be the leading coutry in Europe and Briannia has no any more even it´s empire.
GBOY69GAY 1 year ago
fuck capitalism
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yendytok 1 year ago
She looks like a bitch
montezoma 1 year ago
Bah. Yet another video involving Germany where Hitler is pulled out of the hat to be discussed again.
It is true that polish partisans were firing at german border guards for some time before the war. Poland was very cocky and didn't even talk directly with Germany, but through England (Polish embassy in London - british envoys - German embassy).
Poland was so strong they beat Soviet on their own in 1921? If Poland would have joined Hitler though, they would have been exterminated after d war.
tannalv 1 year ago
The end of communism. Rejoice!
usainlightning 1 year ago
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Thatcher---what a dishrag fucking WHORE SLUT CUNT.
torque122 1 year ago
tears.
kathconserv 1 year ago
Oh, this is great. I open a Video about Thatcher and the Berlin Wall, I look at the comments and the first thing I see is a huge discussion on Hitler and Chamberlain. Guys, you are completely obsessed with World War II. There are other topics worthy of discussion.
Stachelschwein1975 1 year ago
That didnt enter her head with regard to the North of Ireland.
irishcol 1 year ago
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I fact Miss Thatcher and many Brits were very concerned and wary about the german unification. Maybe they feared a powerful germany to start world war 3?
Don't get me wrong. I like Britain very much and met many lovely people there but the reaction of Miss Thatcher was ridiculous.
Always remember, it was Englands Churchill who declared war on germany back in those dark days, not the other way round.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Are you seriously suggesting that World War II was instigated by Britain? Do you not think that Hitler's actions were deliberately inflammatory and aggressive? And, actually, Churchill wasn't Prime Minister at the start of the war - it was Chamberlain who eventually declared war on Germany after exhausting the misguided policy of appeasement.
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia Yep, i made a mistake, sorry. It was Chamberlain who declared the war. I'm suggesting nothing, and I never would come to fucking Hitlers defence, but the nazis tried their best to make a non aggression pact with Britain because Hitler didn't want to fight you. Britain declared war on the nazis because of it's contract to Poland. I mentioned this, because I read many comments by Brits who think that germany started the war against britain, and that's wrong.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas And to make it clear, we learn exactly the same about the nazi era at school as you Brits learn. We don't have another point of view and we don't try to conceal anything.
Miss Thatchers reaction on the unifiation was ridiculous because it showed the backward-looking britsih view on post war germany. In fact the germans don't want their soldiers to invade anyones country anymore. We even want to reduce our army to a a minimum to make sure this will never happen again.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas If the Nazi's had been "trying their best to make a non-aggression pact" then they would NOT have invaded Poland and would NOT have continued their policy of aggressive expansionism. The notion that Hitler was some kind of misunderstood peace keeper, eager to avoid war, is quite frankly absoloutley laughable.
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia Did they ever tell you, how polish partisans crossed the border to germany to attack german towns before Hitler attacked them? Did you ever wonder why Hitler himself said on german radio "Ab 5.45 Uhr wird zurückgeschossen" ( from 5.45 this morning we RETURN fire") ? research his speech if you don't believe me. In 1938 (oct, 24) Joachim von Ribbentrop tried to make a non aggression pact with poland for 25 years but Poland rejected it.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Now that is absurd! The POles never attacked Gleiwitz. That was pure Goebbels propaganda! It all came out in Nurnberg in 1945-46! The SS gathered KZ inmates, dressed them as Polnisch soldiers, killed them and put their bodies around the station. This was the lame excuse he needed to invade Poland. Poland never bargained with Hitler because they knew he would turn on them eventually. besides, they didn't want to give up Danzig or the Corridor.
4everRomanovs 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia And of course that was just what Hitler's been waiting for, but it's not that simple. In fact Poland knew very well that england would declare war on germany because of the english-polish contract, so they didn't stop to tease lunatic Hitler. If I were an English I would also be a bit angry about Poland, because they forced you to declare a war through the backdoor.
Lintflas 1 year ago
Poland also knew very well that they didn't have a hope in hell even if Britain went to war.
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym So why didn't Poland sign the non aggression pact for 25 years on Hitlers offer? Poland knew the consequences, but they rejected it because of their contract with England. They knew that their reject would involve England to declare war on Germany.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Let me also take on the idea you seem to be putting forth that Britain entered into WWII out of choice. The decision to declare war with Germany was taken because appeasement + diplomatic means had comprehensively failed, and Europe was being rapidly swallowed up by a violent fascist and his mighty armed forces. In addition to protecting the rights of Europeans, war was unavoidable in order to protect our own borders and ensure Britain's freedom.
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@Lintflas But let me also make clear, I have the utmost respect for the German people and the ways in which they have created a prosperous, strong country increasingly at ease with itself after suffering greatly at the hands of a fascist leader. In many ways, Britain and Germany should be natural allies in Europe - we share many of the same goals and values. This is another tragic aspect of WWII - the damage it did to our two countries relations - although I believe this is no longer the case.
UnitedBritannia 1 year ago
@Lintflas This country paid a very heavy price, in both blood and treasure (as did Germany and the rest of Europe), in order to protect the values of freedom and democracy that are central to our way of life. I'm afraid I strongly object to any suggestion that the conflict that tore Europe apart and destroyed the lives of millions was in any way avoidable and/or instigated by Britain - I totally reject your entire argument.
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@UnitedBritannia
Of course it was avoidable. You, the victors of WW1, put the whole blame for WW1 on Germany. You arbitrarily cut Germany to pieces on a map and the Versailles Treaty was a declaration of war itself. It was the major cause for WW2, and YOUR british government was involved, so please don't tell me that Britain doesn't have to bear part of the blame. All parties involved had blood on their hands, one way or another.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia I reject any war between Britain and Germany because a war between genetic brothers is a PERVERSION. Stop buying the media propaganda.
wolfgangle 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia this is the official version of the story, the version wanted by the winners. rumour has it- only rumour unfortunately- that Britain instigated Italy to start the war in order to mitigate Germany expectations at the table of peace. sadly the documentation between Churcill and Mussolini that proves that was taken upon Mussolini execution by British intelligence to hide this uncomfortable truth.r u sure that British colonialism was exprssion of democracy and freedom?
poliedro1 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia : Your government started it because they knew that America was young and dumb and could be convinced to join in the fight, conserving British resources for "better things" in the process. Franklin D. Rosefield(Roosevelt)also has a few things to answer for when he stands naked in front of God, for getting innocent Americans involved in a totally unnecessary bloodbath.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@Lintflas Please don not forget that PM Thatcher grew up during the days of Nazi aggression to Britain. She witnessed first hand the terror bombings of London by Nazi missiles and bombers. She lost many friends and family. If the situation were reversed and this had happened to you, wouldn't you have been as apprehensive as Miss Thatcher? Now she knows that today's Germany is the total opposite of the Third Reich.
4everRomanovs 1 year ago
@4everRomanovs
Come on... German women lost 15 times more loved ones than England. No German complains about it, though we had to suffer a hundred times more than England.
Britain declared war on Germany, though Hitler told your government several times that he didn't want war with Britain because Britain never was his enemy. So I don't think Miss Thatcher still needs to behave like a princess on the pea 50 years after the war.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas This is true...my family lost a lot the the War. My Opa was a highly-decorated pilot in the Reichsluftwaffe and my parents in the Hitler Jugend. Hitler used the Munchner Diktat as an excuse to buy time and keep England out of his plans for European conquest. England totally surprised Hitler when they declared war on the Reich over Polen. Hitler got caught in a trap of his own making...he expected Churchill to be a milksop like Chamberlain. Hitler used Chamberlain to gain territory!
4everRomanovs 1 year ago
@4everRomanovs
Or take a look at the Russians. They lost 3 times more loved ones than Germany and 42 times more than Britain, but today no other NATO-nation has better relations to Russia than Germany. When the Russians got over it, you Brits can do as well. The Russians supported us while Thatcher didn't.
Her behaviour damaged the british-german relations. Without Thatcher we would have had strong economic relations for the benefit of both nations much earlier.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas This ist very true..I grew up in the DDR and know about the Russians...However, Russia is not part of NATO or the EU. Yes, Thatcher's behaviour did damage Anglo-German relations somewhat. Maggie did eventually come to terms with it and accepted the Reunification of Germany. She is gone and replaced by a better person. So let us put the past where it belongs and look to a hopeful, better future! Mit vielen dank....
4everRomanovs 1 year ago
@Lintflas Neville Chamberlain was Prime Minister when he (Chamberlain) declared war - - not Churchill. Sir Winston became Prime Minister in May of 1940, 9 months after Germany invaded Poland.
ajb1776 1 year ago
@ajb1776
I'm aware of the fact that it was Chamberlain who declared war on Germany and not Churchill. I mentioned this mistake in comments below.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas i doubt that there would be such a war between britain and germany again during that time period unless however the Soviet Union had prevailed in controlling the new Germany - but they didnt. Basically, to put it as an image, it was Britain and America who helped Germany ride off on his tricycle, not the Soviet Union. By which I mean, Germany became a free country but it was the British & Americans who 'styled' the new country, government and it's future to their own democratic liking
rockmeagainbaby 1 year ago
@rockmeagainbaby
Yep, the victors set us back on track by helping to found of the republic, but they didn't do this with unselfishness. And to make it clear, we made our way back to the top on our own. The Marshall plan was to give Germany credits (75 billion $) for the startup, but we payed back every cent.
I mention this because especially many Americans believe they did all the work, payed and build up Germany by themself, and this is completely wrong.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas and yeah it was England's Churchill who declared war on Germany - but remember, Germany were asking for it. They had taken over several countries around Europe mainly through aggression and power-hunger such as assassinating Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss in 1934 or threatening Schuschnigg (later Austrian Chancellor) in 1938 etc. If Britain didn't act, they knew it would be too late and they too would be annexed. I think Britain's declaration is extremely reasonable : /
rockmeagainbaby 1 year ago
@rockmeagainbaby
Germany was NOT asking for it. Take a look at history books and realise that Germany didn't want to fight Britain or USA. Initially lunatic Hitlers enemy was Russia and he wanted to take back german territory from Poland, but don't get me wrong, we're grateful to be liberated from this dark dictatorship.
That's why Germany sees USA and Britain as closest friends today, because we know what we owe to them.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@rockmeagainbaby
Germany invaded ex-german territory in Poland (not several countries around Europe. This happened after the british declaration) and then Britain declared war on Germany because of their pact with Poland. Don't confuse the chronological order.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Oh no i agree with you that america and britain werent doing it because of unselfishness - it was more to allow a good future trading partner and so forth as im sure you'll agree. But please remember, Hitler took the Sudetenland, half of Czechoslovakia and Austria and started on Poland before Britain declared war. And the Hossbach Memorandum states that Hitler wanted war by 1943 at latest and for France and britain to be defeated.
rockmeagainbaby 1 year ago
@Lintflas And when I say 'Germany was asking for it' - i don't mean Germany literally asked Britain for war. I mean that Germany was partaking in so many agressive events (such as taking over Sudetenland, czechoslovakia, austria then poland) which almost made it SEEM like Germany was asking for war. It's imagery. Now you can argue that these area belonged to German which is a fair argument but storming into the country by force and assassination (for example dollfuss) is not justifiable.
rockmeagainbaby 1 year ago
@Lintflas Now I don't want to start an argument here :P At least we agree on that Hitler's a lunatic eh? :P but yeah you're German and i'm sure you know the history but I'm British and I have studied a course in Appeasement and the Road to War so I do know what I'm talking about as well :P Also, the course isn't all 'how wonderful and victorius we were', its more the about the actions and mistakes each side made just incase you thought the course was opinion based rather than fact based :P
rockmeagainbaby 1 year ago
@rockmeagainbaby
Austria was annexed, not invaded, and as I mentioned before, lunatic Hitler invaded ex-german territory. This includes the Sudetenland which was part of Germany before WW2. All this mainly happened because of the Versailles treaty which arbitrary cut off parts of Germany, so Hitler wanted to take it back, "Heim ins Reich holen"
Of course these actions were questionable, but also comprehensible up to a certain point.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas: Du musst darauf achten, dass du den Kontext nicht aus den Augen verlierst. Die Westmächte haben Deutschland nach dem 1. Weltkrieg in der Tat unfair behandelt. Aber das war NICHT der Hauptgrund für den Aufstieg Hitlers. Die meisten Deutschen wollten keine Demokratie und sind Hitler "auf den Leim gegangen". Österreich, Sudetenland etc. zu besetzen war die Vorbereitung für eine Art "Rassenkrieg" gegen die Juden und andere Völker - der Holocaust wäre nur der Anfang gewesen....
stipefan11 1 year ago
@stipefan11
Ich bin klar der Meinung, dass Hitler ohne die vorherigen Ereignisse kaum Zulauf bekommen hätte. Hitler wurde sogar Anfang der 20iger Jahre wegen Volksverhetzung zu einer Gefängnisstrafe verurteilt, und seine Parteikasse wurde konfisziert. Als er aus dem Knast kam, hatte er keinen Pfennig mehr in der Tasche. Rate mal wer ihm seine Kasse wieder gefüllt hat. Es waren vornehmlich ausländische Unterstützer wie z. B. Henry Ford, Prescott Bush und andere.
Lintflas 1 year ago
You are wrong on Sudetenland. Sudetenland had never been German territory, it was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire till the end of World War I, when it became part of an independent Czechoslovakia and remained so until 1938 when it was forcibly transferred to Germany.
skandinaverberlin 1 year ago
@skandinaverberlin
Austria was allied and annexed to Germany, so the Sudetenland was part of Germany those days. Simple as that.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas What a despicable thing to say, how dare you attribute Hitler's belligerent attitude to Churchill. Being so ignorant about history, perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself.
Lydiard91 1 year ago
@Lydiard91
It doesn't speak in your favour to tell anyone to keep his opinions to himself, and it's not enough to learn that usual post war propaganda history stuff at school to conceive an opinion, because it mainly shows the victors view.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas Are you suggesting that it was wrong for Churchill to declare war on Germany?
Kochopsticks11 1 year ago
@Kochopsticks11
Yep, I suggest that Chamberlains declaration of war on Germany was wrong, because it turned a relatively small conflict into a world war, but the british government wanted this war, (though they still teach us all that it was inevitable) because they disliked a powerful Germany from the very beginning.
Britain had a pact with Poland, and the Russians also invaded Poland. If I were a Brit I would wonder why Britain never declared war on Russia.
Lintflas 1 year ago
@Lintflas : England is a nation that lets itself be represented by a family of documented inbreds. The national I.Q. probably hovers around 75.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@Lintflas: Do you know why the UK declared war on Germany? Because Germany (and I am German) followed an inhuman madman who destroyed vast parts of Europe!
Miss Thatcher made a big mistake anyway: She was DEAD AGAINST any kind of German or European unification so she deliberately treated Kohl as if he was Hitler which - as even her closest advisors realized - was unfair.
stipefan11 1 year ago
@stipefan11 : The so-called "U.K."(it's anything BUT)declared war on Germany because they knew that young, dumb, fresh-faced America would run to help "Granny" in her "hour of need." Since Franklin D. Rosefield(Roosevelt)helped to engineer the whole thing from the beginning, he was far worse than Reichpraesident Hitler could have ever dreamed of being.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Haha- gotta love Thatchey :)
psychokitty93 1 year ago
didnt pink floyd brake down the wall
rockgod1960 1 year ago
Bush Sr. and Thatcher disagreed bitterly over a unified Germany. Bush thought it was a good thing and went over Thatcher's head on the argument.
poodtang1 1 year ago
"you can't suppress peoples longing for liberty" is this the same Liberty that the black people of south Africa wanted during apartheid yet you refused to act on because of the "British buisness intrest", fucking hypocritical bitch, she's fine with oppressive regimes as long as we could still make money.
helloground 1 year ago
I was born in 1990, havent a clue about 80's or anything, but iv heard stories about thatcher... She an idoit in those days or somthing?
strathmann2007 1 year ago
@strathmann2007 ha. It depends what you mean by "an idiot". The vast majority you will hear about Thatcher will be negative, because negative voices are always louder. Ultimately she did some very good and some very bad. I can't think of another mainstream politician who has polarised opinions in the way she did. One thing is certain. This country would be completely different today if it weren't for her.
pgl0897 1 year ago
Imagine how bad life would have to be for you to, upon hearing news that the border was open, decide right then to drop everything, leave behind all that you know and possess, and run toward freedom.
That's powerful stuff.
ramv36 1 year ago
I want the wall back. Germany was bettter place to live without East Germans.
SchwarzeGarde1972 1 year ago
@SchwarzeGarde1972
dats just racist against yur own ppl :L im from ireland, so that would be like me wanting to build a wall around ulster to keep d nordis out:l y, theyr as irish as southys. east germans are as german as west germans
teotime95 1 year ago 2
@teotime95 Word!
swash77 1 year ago
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Interesting. Communism won't work, nor will capitalism and nor will marxism. They are all flawed. It was thanks to thatcher and Reagan that the berlin wall collapsed even if thatcher heself didnt want germany reunited.
andrewz105 1 year ago
LOL, Margret thatcher was against a united Germany, she was scare that Germany will be more powerfull then UK.
Dellarsson 2 years ago 27
@Dellarsson today we live peaceful together. It should stay like that forever!
Greets from Germany
MrEhemaliger 1 year ago
@Dellarsson
She, like Mitterand, was afraid that the Germans would try to start a third world war after starting two already. Of course, this wouldn't happen because the postwar Allied occupation successfully turned the Federal Republic into a peace loving working democracy.
LTF6161 1 year ago
@Dellarsson She feared they would turn to socialism again.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@Dellarsson : She wasn't a bright lady.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
I come from China. I would say that the Government often to deceive the people. Embargo network. Suppress freedom of speech. Recruitment network commentators distort the facts to justify its beautification dictatorship. There is no democracy and freedom.
The Communist Party recruited a large number of foreign-language network commentator. The purpose is to distort the truth. Deceive the truth
yunsuiwuyue 2 years ago 14
So u r recreited by CIA talking in favour of the west licking their ass thinking it will make u look like a one of them?
U r talking shit in China,but i live in the western society, dont be childish thinking government in the west tells the truth.
theres no absolute freedom anywhere unless all government forms on this planet is destroyed
nobodys stoping u from going west, and just dont be upset when u realise no matter how hard u try lickin their ass, u r still chinaman who they enjoy raping
hawkforce 1 year ago
Thank god Chinese didnt get fooled by the west like poor soviet union...
SU used to be a superpower who's currency rate is same as US dollar...
a country who's been tear down into pieces, a country who's fighting among the same Ex-soviet brothers, a country who's economy depended only on natural resources, a country who's been surrounded by the NATO, a country who's no longer superpower...
when russians finally realised they've been fooled, its already too late...
hawkforce 1 year ago
thatcher is a hypocrite, her gesture says everything
wolke969 2 years ago
whats with the thumbs down, thatcher ruined many lives around this time
9n6c3 2 years ago
FUCK THATCHER
globetrotter0580 2 years ago
These were really bad years... Thank god, that we don´t have her anymore as PM!!
globetrotter0580 2 years ago
I know thank god we no longer have economc growth, and we have the government telling us what to do at every step. The world is just so much better now!
ajgolfer1 2 years ago
yeh FUCK THATCHER!
MrEnglishgodfather 2 years ago
Sooner or later, we China will be the Berlin Wall collapsed. And will certainly collapse
yunsuiwuyue 2 years ago 2
I sincerely hope so
TheProgressistViewer 2 years ago
I love this video
i love how are people happy for their freedom :D
Natalie9911 2 years ago 3
Despite her lofty words, not the Iron Lady's finest hour.
forgetititititit 2 years ago 3
I think she had legitimate concerns about a rapid reunification of Germany that would disrupt the balance of power in Europe. She has a reputation for being a revolutionary character, but she was also very pragmatic and cautious. Perhaps overly so (with hindsight!) in this matter, I agree.
But the collapse of the Soviet Union was hastened (note - not guaranteed by) by Reagan/Thatcher foreign policies during the 1980's - not to mention her support of Gorbachev ("We can do business together").
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia
Bush Sr. and Thatcher disagreed bitterly over a unified Germany. Bush thought it was a good thing and went over Thatcher's head on the argument.
poodtang1 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia
I agree Thatcher had legitimate concerns, and was genuine in expressing them, I've no doubt she would be willing to concede that she was wrong on this one. Sometimes its nice to be wrong.
ReverandCiderMan 1 year ago
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☭★LIEBE DER DDR!☭★
Sismiques 2 years ago
COMMUNISM SHALL NEVER WIN!
MrEnglishgodfather 2 years ago 3