Barry Davis Double-Leg Takedowns, Part 1

[iwillknifeya]

marcosolbon Immaturity? DUDE WTF!!? Great old school footage this by the way; really insightful :D Cheers for the post!

[TheClearRain]

They have HUGE heads!

[CDT565]

its said Roddy White pinned alot of his opponents using a move coined as the "shanaz" what is the real name ?

[marcosolbon]

butt out? good penetration? DUDE WTF!!?

[guma671]

You penetrate though there legs

[thompsoon3]

when do I go in and out iand where do I penetrate?

[JizzyProductionz]

@ahwowlovely it actually does not because pride was an mma league before ufc

[DeiTy4GuiTar]

@ahwowlovely stfu what is the sport called now thats what matters not the past

[MrMexicanputo]

Thanks for the help

[ChuckleHead96]

I'm confused, when you step in to shoot, is your back leg supposed to drag forward to the side of their body?

[clockworkninja09]

Oh god I bet that guy knows EVERYTHING about wrestling

[lote1234567891011]

THIS IS MY FAVORITE WRESTLING TAKEDOWN...I COULD DO THIS ALL DAY

[EdOwnz]

How does the opponent go up on his shoulder lol? Isn't a double takedown is when you shoot and take them down to the side without picking them up?

[IrishxCarey]

I just learn a new finish to my double leg take down thanks. :)

[EdOwnz]

OHHH, never mind, I'm retarded. Those are different doubles he's teaching. Nice though, my favorite is the one you showed of putting your front leg behind his lead leg and then pose :).

[ub3rskillz]

awesome video i'll be double legging mofos in no time

[evolution03]

lmfao a fart at 2:02

[ArtisticwithaK]

The hardest part of wrestling for me is trying to ignore how wrong everything looks and sounds. Very useful as a fighter, though.

[deansmilk115]

Yeah me to

[racingmylife15]

I was taught to get my arms behind his thighs and hold them together. but I always do it this way.

[ChanoGonzo]

@xjado321 if u drop to ur knee, the u stop ur momentum, nd if u try to lift ur opponent up it would be all from strength nd now from momentum, which is okay for some, but when wrestlign in a tournament u would like to save your energy becuase ull most liekly wrestle more matches, so droppign to ur knee isnt the best.

[xjado321]

why do some say to slide with the knee and some just say to go straight in?

[BangWhosNxt]

Is that proper technique to have your head to the side like that? I was always taught to put my nose into the stomach... keeps the neck safe

[stnd4something]

@BangWhosNxt it can be done either way. I personally think you get a much deeper shot with more penetration with the head to the side.

[angbayemay]

@BangWhosNxt I might be to late on saying this but, not only did my wrestiling coach teach us to do that, he also taught us to turn our heads into the guy to help the get take down.

[ISipSyrup]

Very nice tutorial

[BulletPunch]

Nice Nice !!

[ParkFight]

Really good video

[bonnervsgriffen]

how do i take down a state champ by other than an anchor pull.

p.s i am 215 he is 265

[camo999999999]

@bonnervsgriffen If he is taller than you you use youre Low center of gravity to take him down..

[kadiyodiyah]

good explanation, but shouldnt you penetrate diagonally once in the legs

[anotherHangover]

Nice detailed explanation!

[ufckid100]

i never take a drop step watch my matches i just snap the head,arm,neck etc and grab a limb

[streetfighter102094]

this is how to do a double leg - /watch?v=vZlUl9raXc4

[kazuko26]

/watch?v=vZlUl9raXc4 dude check out this crazy double leg!

[rudy792]

Extremely comprehensive !!! Watch both videos I and II. If You know these take downs by heart and some good submission techniques for when you get your man on the ground, you'll be an extremely formidable fighter. My old saying goes - the most dangerous fighter in the world is a well conditioned, well-trained high school wrestler !!!

[RightWingCon81]

the most dangerous fighter in the world is a well conditioned, well-trained high school wrestler !!!...until he comes up against a well conditioned, well-trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter.

[rudy792]

Hello RightWingCon81 = You are correct, in literal terms a well -trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter is likely going to submit the wrestler once on the ground. But I have boxed in the AAU, Wrestled, and have a black belt in the most straight forward brazilian jiu jitsu there is - we simply actually fight ! I'm just saying that these high school and college wrestling types - particulartly a guy like this Barry Davis, can handle themselves quite sufficiently. Thanks for your correction though !!!

[bboybrok3nwing]

but what if they do both like me ooooooooooooooooooooh jk

[Skiezoo1]

Boxer....Enough said....

[RightWingCon81]

Enough said? I don't know what the hell that means. Are you saying a boxer is the most sdangerous? Because you should look at Art Jimmerson getting his ass raped by Royce Gracie, in fact look at any striker get raed by the Gracies or wrestlers in the early UFC.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 Well Gracie was also fighting strikers who had no wrestling experience. Say if Barry Davis had some boxing skills and fought Royce, Davis would give him a beating.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones But he also beat the crap out of Sevren who was a HUGE wrestler and Gracie still won. He beat the shit out of Shamrock who was a catch wrestler and won, let's not do the excuse game.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 In both those cases Gracie's opponents decided to take HIM down. At UFC 1 Royce goes for a double leg which Shamrock easily counters by getting underhooks. But then Ken decided to use those under-hooks to throw Royce down and make it a ground fight. And Severn took down Royce as well. What I'm talking about is a striker who uses his wrestling to AVOID the ground. Chuck Liddell is a good example. I think there's little doubt what would happen if Royce and Chuck were to fight.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones Shamrock was a hell of a striker he was a great shoot fighter in Japan and was outboxing Royce on the feet, and still he lost. I'm not saying BJJ is the be all end all, you're right, good takedown defense with good striking CAN beat BJJ, it does happen from time to time. And FYI Chuck Liddle is a BJJ Brown belt last I checked, maybe a black belt by now, I read he was a brown belt 3 years ago.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 One hell of a striker? If you say so. Though I would put him more in the average to mediocre category myself. And you are incorrect. There was no boxing at all in the first royce/shamrock fight. There was a little in the second but that ended in a draw. And Chuck might be a brown belt or whatever but that doesn't mean he makes much use of those skills. On the ground he is known for being excellent at scrambling to his feet, something wrestlers are particularly good at.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones We can keep going in circles here, but the truth is Royce won the first UFC and 2 others. BJJ is a HUGE part of MMA, and you can';t be in MMA if you don't know your BJJ or know how to defend it.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 I was defending striking because you and rudy seemed to be downplaying it vis-a-vis grappling. i completely disagree with this. Especially in street fighting where doing a Royce, i.e. taking your man down and proceeding to establish position and finally get a submission is ridiculously impractical. In fact you could say Chuck's fighting style is a much more realistic approach to self defence.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones Considering the fact that 84% of all fights end up on the ground whether you take it there or not, is not unreasonable nor is it impractical. And the last thing I want to go for in a street fight is an armbar from the guard, I will mount and punch the guy though, that IS practical more so than turning into a skilled boxer or being a guy who is 5'9 against a guy who is 6'2".

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 First of all any % on street fights ending on the ground is suspect, how could you know this? Secondly just because a fight hits the ground doesn't mean it has to stay there. Watch Velasquez/Lesnar, he was up seconds after being taken down. Thirdly I imagine most fights occur between drunk, untrained people with no conditioning. The fact one or both of them end up on the ground is not such a big surprise.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones the numbers are from the fbi and are compiled from among other things, police altercations with perps. Trying to be a boxer against a MUCH bigger guy who is about to tackle you and thinking you can just sprawl and brawl like CHuckie is unrealistic to me. You will probaboy go down, go down HARD and get pummled because you never learned to ground fight, nor how to get back up to your feet, ever hear of standing up in base? A BJJ techniqu for getting to your feet again.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 In mma wrestlers are usually the ones best at getting back to their feet. Compare how Mir and Velasquez did in their fights against Brock for example. You also seem to think wrestling and takedowns is all about size. Barry Davis is a small guy, do you think some big unskilled guy is just going to take him down no problem? Plus big guys are usually slower, which makes it easier to escape them (if you are on your feet that is).

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones You keep jumping between MMA and real fights, in MMA the BJJ guy wants to stay on the ground, in a street fight he may want to stand, that was my point, we also learn to stand back up. And no, not WRESLTERS, dirty street fighters are not colligate wrestlers, and guess what, you're probably an average guy, I'm sure Barry could stuff a take down, but with the adrenaline dumps in a REAL fight, CAN YOU?

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 I would suggest you pretty much always want to keep it standing. Even if you are only fighting one person at that particular moment you can't know for sure who else may get involved. This being so, the skills you most want to develop are strong standing wrestling, striking and the ability to get back to your feet quickly if it does hit the ground.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 A BJJ guy usually has weak standing wrestling, almost zero striking and they are often usually poor at getting back to their feet, at least compared to wrestlers. This is because of how they train. They spend most of their training time rolling on the ground developing skills such as their guard game, guard passes, submission attacks and so on.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 I mention mma because the results there back up my claims. Wrestlers are better at takedown defence than bjj guys, they are better at getting back up. And this is not surprising because this is what they spend more time training. And regarding adrenaline dumps. I’m guessing my opponent will those two. And if I’ve spent a tonne of time wrestling, and he’s never done a double leg in his life before, I think the odds are in my favour.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 Being in mount can actually be a really bad place to be in the street. You can't see behind you, and even if you do see someone else coming chances are you won't be able to do anything about it. And being 5' 9'' vs 6' 2'' means nothing. My boxing coach is short but he beats the hell out of the big guys in the class. At the end of the day you want to stay on your feet. You can move around, see around you, and still have a of chance of running away.

[RightWingCon81]

@pocketfullofstones So yoy're saying if I box I will grow eyes on the back of my head? Last I checked if you're punching a guy you can;t see behind you either. And if you DO see the guys you won't be able to do anything. No MA can help you take on multiple attackers, and don't show me the video of the turkish boxer beathing those 5 old ass men. If you are surrounded by people you RUN. And boxing is great, never said it wasn't, I box and do Muay Thai.

[pocketfullofstones]

@RightWingCon81 I'm talking about self-defence not beating up a bunch of guys. Yes you want to run away, but sometimes you can't just turn and run. You might need to create some space first by throwing a punch, or blocking one, or what not. And that turkish guy did very well. He kept moving so that all his opponents stayed in front of him and he could fight them one at a time. You can't do that on the ground.

[HumanCruton]

wrestling beats boxing.

enough said

[HumanCruton]

No shit UFC owns all. But there are dirrerent styles of fighting used. One of the main styles in UFC is wrestling and juijitsu. Foolish comment johnthedog, foolish comment.

[laxislife1265]

Mixed martial arts you mean? Cause the UFC is a league, not a martial art.

[NiNiLuV143]

@laxislife1265 It's is actually a promotion company.

[Arcturistheballer]

@laxislife1265 we train ufc bro

[glitchystudios]

any day

[ErzincanliMehmetcik]

@HumanCruton

Wrestling beats boxing? Not if the boxer hits you from the distance! wrestler goes down and good night... but if the wrestler catchs the boxer good night for him..

[mmarantha]

@ErzincanliMehmetcik wrestling will beat boxing 9 times out of 10 because its alot easier to score a double leg takedown on someone with no grappling than it is to knock anyone out and even if the boxer does catch you on the way in chances are the wrestler will still get the takedown because the wrestler will most likely only take a left on the way in, not a over hand right or anything thats gonna knock you out.

[monarofreak]

Couldn't agree more mate, i wish they had a wrestling program for the schools in Australia.

[rudy792]

You are correct Rightwingcon81 ! I used to box AAU and crush people in the ring. Knockout puncher- but on the street, the fight ALWAYS ends up on the ground. AND when I walked into the Jiu Jitsu School, I just could not get a shot off- I was being jumped on and taken to the ground, flipped, pulled- you name it. If Gracie or some of the other pro jiu jitsu fighters fought Mike Tyson MMA rules- they would crush him. I know, as a skilled boxer, the wrestlers and Jiu jitsu people schooled me !!!

[nutsack666]

@rudy792 not every street fight winds up on the ground. many do but definetely not all. prime mike tyson with the a bit of take down and sub defense training vs a royce gracie...i would pick mike tyson...

[jas108]

@nutsack666 well tyson wont be better than royce on the ground and in a fight i would advice tyson to not go on the ground with him but def in stand up tyson could knock him out easily

[nutsack666]

@jas108 royce would definetely have a better ground game than mike tyson no question. but a prime mike tyson with some takedown defense wouldnt have to go to the ground with royce.

[jas108]

@nutsack666 yea well that depends...royce could always decide to pull guard if he couldnt get a takedown.

[nutsack666]

@jas108 A.Royce isnt as capable at taking people down as a Randy Couture. B. We're talking a prime Tyson with some takedown defense training. not an out of shape james toney with no td defense.C. if i were Royce i wouldnt want to get close enough to mike tyson to pull gaurd. one punch to royce and its lights out.

[sikhman100]

Fights do usually end up on the ground in the street, but its not for a grappling match dickhead. It will be your enemies mates who all jump in to hit you with bottles, punches, kicks behind your head while you "grapple". Leave the grappling to one on one situations which in my experience on a night out are rare. Grappling is for one on ones in the cage or ring. if you as a boxer got schooled by grapplers doesnt mean all boxers would. just means your boxing may be poor or grapling poor

[missuhlang]

@rudy792 no, wrong

[pocketfullofstones]

@rudy792 Always? You can find plenty of examples on the internet where street fights do not end on the ground. The primary self defence strategy is escape, not take down, control and submit (aka bjj). Boxing is what you want, with some solid wrestling fundamentals. But the wrestling is primarily for defence (break out of a clinch, avoid getting taken down, get back to your feet).

Not to mention it is very unlikely you will meet a skilled bjj guy or wrestler in the street.

[elbowtko]

@pocketfullofstones

However in the above example (rudy) though, the guy's punch is being offensive. The takedown is the response, in essence a defensive move.

[pocketfullofstones]

@elbowtko True that can be a good move. Except you would probably not want to finish the takedown by going to the ground with your opponent the way Barry is in this video. You would want to stay on your feet, which would give you an excellent opportunity to get away.

[Jeremey71]

@rudy792

I've had a totally different experience than you. In both street fights and mma training the bjj guys that didn't have any striking ability couldn't touch me. There were limited times I was taken to the ground in a street fight as well.

[spitsickflows]

box him

[rudy792]

RightWingCon81 is correct. I've done them all. On the street your going to the ground - sorry, but that's where it's going to take place. My buddy had almost 50 amatuer knockouts. Gets in a fight and the guy pulls him RIGHT down! Period.

[MotorboatenMcL]

im fighten some kid today, hes shorter then me and talks hella shit.. he likes to like jump around like a lot when he boxes, shulld i wrestle him or box em

[kirnehbjuhr]

sweep him or lowkick him,,,

[ufcteen0406]

it also helps you drive your opponent

[ketteltime]

why do you keep your head up when shooting?

[kawness]

not sure for pure wrestling, but i know for MMA/Jiu Jitsu it helps prevent getting caught in a guillotine choke.

[sarsattacks]

The head controls the upper half of the body while the arms control the legs. Most double legs are not going to be as easy to finish as shown, so to finish a lot of double leg takedowns, you'll need a strong neck to control your opponent.

[RightWingCon81]

I do BJJ and not wrestling but I would imagine that good posture increases the strength of the takedown. Notice when he has his head down and shows the wrong was he only has his shoulder and legs working in a driving motion when he straightens the head up he has his legs in a better spot is driving with his chest and his hands are also in a better spot to pull all making more leverage. Just my guess, i could be wrong.

[MSTBW]

so you get up faster and also when you are dealing guys over your weight

It's makes it easier

[delta007]

because where your head is positioned is where your body will follow. if you shoot with your head down, youre gonna make that takedown ten times harder than if your head is up. your driving through the guy, not under him. try shooting with your head down then do it with your head up. youll see the difference.

[ufcteen0406]

if they get your head trapped, like a guillatine choke in mma/ jiu jitsu, it is very easy to do a reversal or a three quarters nelson. trust me im a high school wrestler and a jiujitsu and mma

[sarsattacks]

Interesting that he teaches this with the conventional stance like in MMA. Most non-MMA wrestling I've learned was taught in southpaw

[lobsidedballs]

what shoes are those

[buildingbodies]

Very helpful. Thanks!

[kingshahine]

how come he doesn't change his level like most people teach ?

[marcusorilius]

Because the technique drops you down into the right level instead of just dropping down and then driving forward. This prevents early warning and easy sprawl defense. With the right technique, it is harder to sprawl on the attacker.

[RayRayOn1]

Great video Coach Davis, and thax u 4 helping me polishing up my double-leg takedowns, its been a long time since ASU.

[ceroeck]

this guy knows hes stuff

[memento18poker]

well explained

[pinoygauta]

awesome vid is awesome

[slauterhaus]

old videos are old

[kema702]

dam this video is hella old