So what if Touhou has 2 mikos out of a cast of like 100? That's your opinion on mikos and this video is about the danmaku genre itself. Touhou is a great DANMAKU game.Your case woun't go far on irrevelancy so to that I say Objection.
Good to see Mars Matrix up there - I love that game but it kicks my teeth in and stamps on my balls.. Its a real challenge, probably the hardest game for me personally, but I love the shop feature (keeps you coming back) even if the bonus features are "overpriced". It certainly lives up to the name "Bullet Hell"!
Seems alot of Touhou fans are butt hurt about this video - grow up girls..
A lot from this list was more focused in Manic Shooter(the ones that rely more in quick reflexes than calm dodging). Kinda liked it since Ketsui was in it(I have Death Label on my DS!).
But, I think there's a lot of good Danmaku missed here- but anyway, I bet these are what just you have heard of/played/liked.
Touhou, maybe you considered it 'overrated' and didn't bother to place it to make this list unique- I have no problem with that.
I like Touhou to say the least and I also think it deserves a placing in this rank.
But however, I do agree with the message at 2:20~2:32 because most Touhou fans are so ignorant that they think Touhou inspired every Non-Touhou shmup.
Seriously, I've seen people posting stupid comments like "looks like touhou", "reminds me of touhou", "this is copying touhou" on Non-Touhou shmup videos. I seriously think that Touhou fans should learn that Touhou DID NOT INVENTED THE DANMAKU GENRE!
Everyone's like "don't be hating on him by saying 'YOU SUCK' cuz he don't like touhou D:"
He turned around and called it Shrine Maiden Crap.
That's like calling Sonic 'Furry shit' or saying Pokemon is for babies. It's more plain disrespectful than a reasonable opinion. Even if one hates Touhou, I'd respect your opinion if you just said "I don't like Touhou at all" or something.
Terra Diver, aka Soukyugurentai, a danmaku? That's really stretching the definition, by that logic Strikers 1945 would also be a danmaku (and it isn't).
So the list is a fail for putting real danmaku games and not one series of "modern" shmups that is probably the only ones you've played, and is considered by shmup standarts really mediocre? You're blinded by popularity and beautiful patterns that has nothing to do with how good a game is.
@ItzxDanx Danmaku is just a game genre meaning "Curtain of fire" or "barrage" wherein the character is subjected to a barrage of enemy fire which appears in complex or not-so complex patterns in which there is a way/path to evade them (often these barrages are accompanied by weaker enemies.). These danmaku games have different hitbox sizes (Hitbox referring to the place that when hit by enemy fire causes damage.) which cause them to be harder or easier than the rest.
Touhou: Really good. But the fact that I can only control it using keyboard makes it a tick more difficult since I really can't determine the size of the hit box. T_T
@AceMagestar You can buy a gamepad you know. I think that most gamepads have options that allow you to map certain buttons to the keyboard, even if the games themselves have no gamepad support.
@AceMagestar Hoy, get an arcade stick.. You can have really nice ones made specially for you, they are cheaper and have all the same Japanese component parts. In the meantime get a joypad :)
Touhou has many fun twist to it to make it fun, like in mountain of faith(my fav.) the faith point system is a pretty good add on to add challenge, in PCB the cherry point system is also neat. Touhou is fun, challenging, and are very addictive. Don't hate on something you haven't already played. Ppl. type in MoF Stage 6 and you'll see some real danmaku!
Touhou might not be in your tastes but that doesnt mean the game sucks or is overrated. Touhou itself has excellent music, friendly gameplay mechanics, pretty nice and smooth attacks and a big, yet open plot.
Is it better than any of the games listed here?, I dont think so.
Is it worse than any of the games listed here?, Absolutelly not.
In the end, what I mean is that everything has its good points and its bad points. Yeah, even those games you put in the vid have their fair share of flaws.
I will be frank with you guys, I havent played any of the games listed on this video, however, just because I know touhou and not those I will not start trowing shit at them. All the opposite, I dont doubt those are excellent games as I've heard great stuff of them, however its unfair (and childish) if you start trowing crap at other stuff just because "you like this more than this other".
Arcade needs to leave money after all... whats the point of making an arcade game in wich you have to pay for playing it if the game itself can be finished in 2 or 3 tries?. Its stupid to compare difficulty between arcade games and touhou as ZUN has no interest on money, thus has no interest on having people stuck on the same 2 stages for years, sucking their coins out of them.
@jbird1130 Of course I have, I said so. How many times?, as many times I've needed or wanted to. However, if you want a number... I can say that about, mmm, every 2 days I play either one of the touhou Shmups or the figther spin-off. Sometimes more often, sometimes not soo much.
I still dont get why all this resentment towards Touhou when touhou itself has done nothing to get itself enemies. Sure, some fans might be jerks and asses that dont know a shit what they are talking about (as about 65% of its fanbase is made of people that hasnt even touched a single touhou game), however, you do really bad at underrating touhou.
dunno if the jab at touhou was really needed, it seems to be nothing but a bit designed to anger the fans. besides, if it isn't one of the top ten, then why mention it in the video?
and what was the criteria for the games to be on the list? good mechanics? good story? high replay value? or is it just your opinion of what is best?
because a good story or good replay means a game i would want. no offense, but an opinion list means i don't have facts about if it is good or not
The asian indivdual is still communistized, so it puts all effort in being productive or being a China farming or button mashing warcraft beast ith 10000 APM and diabetes and nearly blind...
I understand that Touhou is dodging bullets and shooting enemies. That's it. Not many gimmicks, or whatever you want to call it. However, Touhou is also easy to jump into. It's not insanely difficult, but not too easy either, and many patterns have some 'meaning' to them. It's also pleasing to the senses; can't deny that.
Two, on a less constructive note, you deserve the flames for mentioning Touhou and putting it in the tags, likely to just tick off fans. You just wanted the trouble, huh?
FUCK YOU ITS NOT FUCKING SHRINE MAIDEN CARP its called touhou and its the best danmaku game ever and iff you think its some kind of crap keep it to your self motherfucking fag
Touhou has some of the most beautiful patterns in danmaku history, it's as if it was programmed by an artist. Wait... it is. It deserves a placing. By the way? 13 comes out sunday. Respect.
I do, however, agree with Mars Matrix's placing. I'm addicted to that sucker.
Your right but that doesn't allow you to mock a great game with your narrow minded ridicule of Touhou. Just makes you a jerk. That's why in 6 months you only have 1500k views. Youtube viewers don't care about what you think, it's about sharing what you like not bashing others opinions. young one? That just proves how pretentious you are, you talk like your in your teens. Also your TOP game doesn't even come close to Touhou SA in terms of difficulty.
Teh. Everyone knows about Touhou so that just proves it's popularity, arcades don't matter, most you guys all know you downloaded and never thought twice about supporting the creator so screw off. I mean seriously who's heard of half of these danmaku??? mainly enthusiasts. In Touhou the patterns are made not to dodge but graze for point multipliers, i.e. more difficult end game for expert players. Overrated??? One guy is all it took at least say "oh and Touhou" but you put SCREW touhou? Jerks.
2. Speak for yourself, young one. I OWN the console ports of every single game in this video.
3. You want to "graze"? Go play Psyvariar, where it's not just an optional thing for a few more points-- in Psyvariar, buzzing (or as you call it, "grazing") is required to survive.
4. Touhou is overrated. Most of its fans don't even play the games. Sort of like Final Fantasy VII.
The top 10 listed are very hard, and quite challenging, thus can keep you occipied.
Touhou produced danmaku, which ZUN gives them a name each(except non-spellcards). They are meaningful and most probably have more aesthetic-ness than the shumps listed.
This vid listed the top 10 in terms of difficulty. True, ketsui is the hardest so far, so he is not wrong.
But, don't put down Touhou's fame~
'coz games are meant to be played, not criticized :)
ZUN has worked for Taito for years now, he could have made tons of Yen debuting his newer games in the arcades, or at least on XBLA/PSN. The old "I don't want my games to become mainstream" shit is either a bad excuse for not producing arcade-quality stuff, or a truly hipster statement, and in vain since Touhou is single-handedly the most overrated shmup series, with more fanart on Pixiv than any other series combined.
@Reiisen >fangirl named Reiisen comments that a series of doujin shmups by a small-time amateur are of higher quality than top-notch arcade titles from Cave, Raizing, Skonec, Alfa System, and Takumi.
@zweihand Search "Touhou" on google or youtube, or anywhere else really. Compare results to any other Danmaku game. Come back to me when you find one with more results.
the "because it's a pc shmup, it sucks" mentality is fucking hysterical. crimson clover drops a cleveland steamer on most of the games in this list. why is ibara so high on the list and bakraid entirely omitted when ibara is a successor to the garegga and bakraid; particularly when ibara is pretty much a shit game with shit scoring. guwange? dimahoo?
the touhou tags are just a troll, you deserve to be CAVED! AnonymousXXXXXX (no, I don't meant Cave, that danmaku games company, but CAVED! CAVED! CAVED!!!)
You have good taste in shmups. Except for Ibara, I flat out own all of these for either the Saturn, PS2, Dreamcast, or Xbox360. I cheat a little with Ketsui Death Label for the DS.
Any idea where to get ESPGaluda II other than Play-Asia? Sure I could get it from there, but man is it ever expensive to import Danmakus on X360 -_-
I wish they would have made it on PC or released in NA as well, would be much easier to buy financially. No idea why PC danmakus are a lot less expensive to import, but it sure helps making you feel ripped off when importing on X360.
@FetusZero The last arcade shmup ported to PC (to my knowledge) was Castle Shikigami III. Probably wasn't a good idea since PC games are so easy to pirate. PC danmaku games are cheaper because they're doujin/amateur games. Some of which are quite good (like Samidare or Angeraze 2) but without the company logo and reputation to back them up (i.e. Cave) they really wouldn't sell if they asked much more than $20-30 a pop. I don't really feel ripped-off when importing arcade ports; they're a hell...
@FetusZero ...of a lot cheaper than their original PCB units. If it makes you feel any better, Mushihime-sama Futari's like $35 or something on Play-Asia now because it became a Platinum Collection game with its sales. If that happens with ESPGaluda II Black Label, though, it may take a while. To me, $80 for a fuckton of replay value (and in ESPGaluda II's case, gameplay modes) is worth it, but that's just my opinion. At least it's region-free. Unlike Ketsui and DDP DFK. Glad my 360 is imported.
@AnonymousXXXXXX You mark a point, $80 for such games that you can replay basically forever isn't such a rip-off after all. I did see Mushihimesama Futari for $35 on Play-Asia, unfortunately it's back ordered at the moment so I'll have to wait.
It's unfortunate for PC shmups to be pirated so much though, but then that's why whenever someone asks me about them I point them to where I bought it. I prefer supporting them than stealing it, especially if it's independent.
@FetusZero I felt so good when I finally was able to find a copy of Samidare earlier this year, after it's been my favorite PC shmup (and PC game overall) for years now.
@zweihand Good you could find it! The very few places I checked it's always out of stock. If you didn't get it on eBay, mind sharing where you bought it? Having more stores available to purchase these games is always a good thing.
@zweihand i like samidare as its only 3 stages so its a short but sweet experience, i found the extra stage a tad overwhelming and didnt bother with it but someday ild like to go back to it
@atfyntify Sure, they're "hard" if you've never played a true arcade shmup... If you've never played Dodonpachi, or Ketsui, or Ibara... then sure, Touhou's hard.. for a fuckin' idiot.
@atfyntify Have ZUN's cute little amateur games stood the test of time in the arcades? I doubt they'd reel much money in even if they were put in arcades anyway, with how easy they are to 1CC.
Good to see no TouHou, but I think the list is a bit congested with a little too much Cave. Maybe a little Dimahoo or HellSinker might replace a few things in there.
Even if your hate doujin games, and shrine maiden games, you can't say they're not some of the hardest danmaku around. I agree with most of your other choices though.
Almost every CAVE's shmups takes more practise to clear than it takes to clear any lunatic-mode ( expect for ESPgaluda, Deathsmiles route 1 and Akai Katana ).
After I typed this comment I thought about this. You're half right. It's touhous clashing colors that make it difficult (at least for me) to clear. Mushihime-sama on the PS2, Deathsmiles 1-3, Donpachi, DoDonpachi, etc. are all easier for me. Mars Matrix on the other hand, DDP Dai Oujou, Dai Fukkatsu, and Ibara for PS2(but you can barely see the bullets) are EXTREMELY difficult.
I got Soukyugurentai for Saturn. Awesome game! Haven't tried the other games you shown but would love to someday. Glad to see someone else that thinks touhou is overrated. I mean really EVERY shmup vid I see here has a couple of people posting "looks like touhou" as if touhou invented manic shmups.
Good Top ten, more my top ten is the next: 1.Mushihimeama Futari. 2.Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi. 3.Ikaruga. 4.DoDonPachi. 5.Ibara. 6.ESP Ra.De. 7.Strikers 1945 Plus. 8.Battle Garegga. 9.Progear. 10.Radilgy.
hmm, i never liked touhou, it's repetitive and boring after 5 min. if i where to pick a fav shooter, i would have to actually say mars matrix or dodonpachi(for starting this).
@zweihand usually a shmup has to have decent music to get me interested...actually, at first I didn't like Garegga at all but I kept playing because of Stab and Stomp and now I love the game. Yessir, I am we Todd Ed
@Bananamatic Actually it does, it has an OST. Just because the ISO you downloaded didn't have music (no idea why it wouldn't; the game is well under 800 mb) doesn't mean the actual game doesn't have music.
@zweihand What I meant was that the music is so goddamn uninteresting or way too silent compared to the weapon sounds that you don't even notice it at times
agreeing with Garegga (though its not a danmaku IMO), DOJ and Ketsui...but what the hell are those others doing there, especially Mars Matrix, and wheres GUWANGE
Also, don't hate on Touhou. The fanboys are annoying, I know, but the games themselves are some of the best Doujin shmups out there. Shoot The Bullet in particular is awesome and offers a fresh take on the genre.
@DanielJMachin granted, on the note of STB. I also liked PCB, IN, and PoFV. Sort of thought EoSD was okay. Still, check out Samidare or the eXceed series if you think Touhou is hot shit.
Souky is no more of a bullet-hell game than, say, Cho Ren Sha or Raiden III. I.e it isn't one.
I agree with most of the games in your list (although not necessarily in that order). The thing is, there are so many great danmaku shmups, you can't narrow it down to ten without omitting some real gems. I'd definitely sub Shiki 2 and Psyvariar 2 for better games, they're both good but I wouldn't rate them over the likes of DDP or APB.
@DanielJMachin Meh. it's by Raizing, it's still borderline bullet hell, it uses Rank.
Perhaps on Shiki 2, pertaining to what you said, but I felt the game had some fun stages and truly amazing boss fights, particularly stage 3's dudes and the final boss. I'd still place Psyvariar 2 as an absolute classic, though. The entire game is one long graceful dance. ...complete with ballerina spinning mechs.
@DanielJMachin Not so much on Gradius, since high-loop Gradius play just involves sitting on the rightmost side of the screen so all the bullets fly past you.
And yes, yes I do. Would have thought that was obvious from putting Psyvariar 2, Ketsui, Battle Garegga, and Ibara on there.
Also, I couldn't put Futari on it if I couldn't even fit the games that I'd rate above it. (Dodonpachi, ESP Ra.De., Dangun Feveron, Battle Bakraid, Armed Police Batrider, etc)
@AnonymousXXXXXX Well, it's your opinion so i won't go do any flaming really :P. But mind you that Touhou got it's pro's that Cave games do not. Like for example the Soundtracks and the beautiful bullet patterns. Also, i do understand that Cave may be nostalgic to some, so it's hard to let touhou in their danmaku gaming (:
@Razz9119 I don't even see what you're talking about. Cave games have beautiful but deadly patterns and soundtracks which range from great to godlike. A bullet pattern shouldn't be measured on how pretty it is; it should rely on being deadly as well as beautiful with its motions. Any given blue-and-pink Ketsui boss pattern > all of those over-flashy Touhou rainbow patterns. Touhou shit always falls back on using every color of the rainbow to distract you from how dull and easily-dodged it is.
@Razz9119 Also, I didn't start playing Cave shmups until I played ESPGaluda and Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou in 2005, then played the earlier ones later on. There is no nostalgia in my case; I played Imperishable Night before I played the earlier Dodonpachi titles and ESPRade.
@Bananamatic I actually meant for that Touhou screencap to be the thumbnail for this video. I made sure to place it at exactly the middle of the video, but Jewtube fucked up and didn't take a cap from the middle by default, like it used to.
@Demonicdan3 I was surprised to not see it on the list too, though to be honest, I don't like Mushihimesama that much. The backgrounds are way too distracting for me and hurt my eyes after playing awhile.
I like that Ketsui and DoDonPachi on the list, awesome games.
I know your opinion on the Touhou games Anonymous, but I do enjoy them. Well I should rephrase that as; I enjoy the later Touhou games, I don't care for 9 and below.
Lul, how could you hate a game full of little Loli girls? *shot*
fevimaster 3 weeks ago
I mostly agree with this except for the part that says Touhou is "CRAP" , since this game also in STG genre and that deserve top ten rank
AceKanoko 1 month ago
So what if Touhou has 2 mikos out of a cast of like 100? That's your opinion on mikos and this video is about the danmaku genre itself. Touhou is a great DANMAKU game.Your case woun't go far on irrevelancy so to that I say Objection.
ForDizzyAndMe 1 month ago
Good to see Mars Matrix up there - I love that game but it kicks my teeth in and stamps on my balls.. Its a real challenge, probably the hardest game for me personally, but I love the shop feature (keeps you coming back) even if the bonus features are "overpriced". It certainly lives up to the name "Bullet Hell"!
Seems alot of Touhou fans are butt hurt about this video - grow up girls..
andy7666 1 month ago
-_-* I know that touhou is rather Overrated. but you don't need to say "That Shrine Maiden CRAP". that pisses me off.
Skinnydevil1995 1 month ago
2:23 - 2:27
It's the best part of this fail video.
forlani 1 month ago
I hope it was an accident Touhou wasn't on there.
Iemanonymous1 1 month ago 4
A lot from this list was more focused in Manic Shooter(the ones that rely more in quick reflexes than calm dodging). Kinda liked it since Ketsui was in it(I have Death Label on my DS!).
But, I think there's a lot of good Danmaku missed here- but anyway, I bet these are what just you have heard of/played/liked.
Touhou, maybe you considered it 'overrated' and didn't bother to place it to make this list unique- I have no problem with that.
dracmeister 2 months ago
I wonder why this is disliked so much. - Sees unflattering remark on Touhou - - dislikes -
obachsk 2 months ago 2
I like Touhou to say the least and I also think it deserves a placing in this rank.
But however, I do agree with the message at 2:20~2:32 because most Touhou fans are so ignorant that they think Touhou inspired every Non-Touhou shmup.
Seriously, I've seen people posting stupid comments like "looks like touhou", "reminds me of touhou", "this is copying touhou" on Non-Touhou shmup videos. I seriously think that Touhou fans should learn that Touhou DID NOT INVENTED THE DANMAKU GENRE!
videogamemaster95 2 months ago 21
@videogamemaster95 Touhou may not have invented Danmaku style gameplay . . . but they sure as hell made it an art form and popular.
Roo520 4 days ago
replace girls and enemies with siege mechas and robots to see this guy place touhou at spot 1.
nyanyanyaish 2 months ago
Everyone's like "don't be hating on him by saying 'YOU SUCK' cuz he don't like touhou D:"
He turned around and called it Shrine Maiden Crap.
That's like calling Sonic 'Furry shit' or saying Pokemon is for babies. It's more plain disrespectful than a reasonable opinion. Even if one hates Touhou, I'd respect your opinion if you just said "I don't like Touhou at all" or something.
Mespritroth 3 months ago
@Mespritroth Exactly... (except pokemon is for babies.. JK It's for 12 year olds! (Says the 13 year old))
CirnoLikesMath 2 months ago
@CirnoLikesMath But still, they just go 'FOR BABIES OLOLOL' even though it appeals to a wide range of people of all ages lol...
Mespritroth 2 months ago
Terra Diver, aka Soukyugurentai, a danmaku? That's really stretching the definition, by that logic Strikers 1945 would also be a danmaku (and it isn't).
mcjumic 3 months ago
you guys its not about the place or the graphics its about *sees message*....
*dislikes dislikes dislikes* BAKABAKABAKABAKA U CAN ROT IN HELL WITH THAT SON OF A DUMB ASS BITCH CIRNOOOO!!!! NO OFENCE CIRNOOOO!!!!
rarhzach 3 months ago
@rarhzach Nobody commented that. Did you see any of us saying that? No, haha.
Chocolateyx3 3 months ago
No psikyo? really?
OyVeey 3 months ago
So the list is a fail for putting real danmaku games and not one series of "modern" shmups that is probably the only ones you've played, and is considered by shmup standarts really mediocre? You're blinded by popularity and beautiful patterns that has nothing to do with how good a game is.
exshade 3 months ago
Fail list, because Touhou is not here
40496zawoo 3 months ago 2
@40496zawoo yes thats exactlly what i said! phantasmigoria of dim. dream and embodiment of scarlet devil are my top two favorites
weeblesan 3 months ago
what does danmaku? i play shmups alot,but have no idea what they are,could you enlighten me please?
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BakaMizi 4 months ago
@ItzxDanx Danmaku is just a game genre meaning "Curtain of fire" or "barrage" wherein the character is subjected to a barrage of enemy fire which appears in complex or not-so complex patterns in which there is a way/path to evade them (often these barrages are accompanied by weaker enemies.). These danmaku games have different hitbox sizes (Hitbox referring to the place that when hit by enemy fire causes damage.) which cause them to be harder or easier than the rest.
AceMagestar 3 months ago
fail list
UltraDragonDragon 4 months ago 2
Touhou: Really good. But the fact that I can only control it using keyboard makes it a tick more difficult since I really can't determine the size of the hit box. T_T
AceMagestar 4 months ago
@AceMagestar You can buy a gamepad you know. I think that most gamepads have options that allow you to map certain buttons to the keyboard, even if the games themselves have no gamepad support.
Aethix1 3 months ago
@AceMagestar If you hold shift it shows you? >>"
Mespritroth 3 months ago
@Mespritroth Which game does this apply to?
AceMagestar 3 months ago
@AceMagestar Now that you mention it, I don't think you can see it on EOSD, but you can with the rest.
Mespritroth 3 months ago
@AceMagestar Hoy, get an arcade stick.. You can have really nice ones made specially for you, they are cheaper and have all the same Japanese component parts. In the meantime get a joypad :)
andy7666 1 month ago
nice list, man.
uberkoopa 4 months ago
Touhou has many fun twist to it to make it fun, like in mountain of faith(my fav.) the faith point system is a pretty good add on to add challenge, in PCB the cherry point system is also neat. Touhou is fun, challenging, and are very addictive. Don't hate on something you haven't already played. Ppl. type in MoF Stage 6 and you'll see some real danmaku!
jbird1130 5 months ago 2
Touhou isnt perfect
your vid games arent perfect
you and me arent perfect
So... stop hating man... its just going to make you older quicker.
sahuaro 5 months ago
Touhou might not be in your tastes but that doesnt mean the game sucks or is overrated. Touhou itself has excellent music, friendly gameplay mechanics, pretty nice and smooth attacks and a big, yet open plot.
Is it better than any of the games listed here?, I dont think so.
Is it worse than any of the games listed here?, Absolutelly not.
In the end, what I mean is that everything has its good points and its bad points. Yeah, even those games you put in the vid have their fair share of flaws.
sahuaro 5 months ago
I will be frank with you guys, I havent played any of the games listed on this video, however, just because I know touhou and not those I will not start trowing shit at them. All the opposite, I dont doubt those are excellent games as I've heard great stuff of them, however its unfair (and childish) if you start trowing crap at other stuff just because "you like this more than this other".
sahuaro 5 months ago
Touhou being easier than arcade shmups?
BUT OF COURSE!
Arcade needs to leave money after all... whats the point of making an arcade game in wich you have to pay for playing it if the game itself can be finished in 2 or 3 tries?. Its stupid to compare difficulty between arcade games and touhou as ZUN has no interest on money, thus has no interest on having people stuck on the same 2 stages for years, sucking their coins out of them.
sahuaro 5 months ago
@sahuaro Touhou? 2 or 3 tries. Ummm... have you played touhou?
jbird1130 5 months ago
@jbird1130 Of course I have, I said so. How many times?, as many times I've needed or wanted to. However, if you want a number... I can say that about, mmm, every 2 days I play either one of the touhou Shmups or the figther spin-off. Sometimes more often, sometimes not soo much.
sahuaro 5 months ago
Ah... more hating than what the world needs.
I still dont get why all this resentment towards Touhou when touhou itself has done nothing to get itself enemies. Sure, some fans might be jerks and asses that dont know a shit what they are talking about (as about 65% of its fanbase is made of people that hasnt even touched a single touhou game), however, you do really bad at underrating touhou.
sahuaro 5 months ago
argh why does everybody always leave out giga wing?!
xxchimakaraxx 6 months ago
To be honest, touhou is higher quality. and probably the most popular collection of danmaku games.
KomejiSatori1 7 months ago
Forgert about that shrine maid craaahh - *KNIFED*
Mahobajar 7 months ago 2
interesting video.
dunno if the jab at touhou was really needed, it seems to be nothing but a bit designed to anger the fans. besides, if it isn't one of the top ten, then why mention it in the video?
and what was the criteria for the games to be on the list? good mechanics? good story? high replay value? or is it just your opinion of what is best?
because a good story or good replay means a game i would want. no offense, but an opinion list means i don't have facts about if it is good or not
apt95 7 months ago
Games for asians.
Like DDR or Starcraft, WoW.
The asian indivdual is still communistized, so it puts all effort in being productive or being a China farming or button mashing warcraft beast ith 10000 APM and diabetes and nearly blind...
benutzer29915022 8 months ago
haha you think that because you make this video everyone will dislike touhou? i think everyone dislike this video faggot.
touhou is the best danmaku ever.
RedBlueChannel 8 months ago 3
Entire comments section is mad, it's pretty funny.
MattTheSpratt 8 months ago
I understand that Touhou is dodging bullets and shooting enemies. That's it. Not many gimmicks, or whatever you want to call it. However, Touhou is also easy to jump into. It's not insanely difficult, but not too easy either, and many patterns have some 'meaning' to them. It's also pleasing to the senses; can't deny that.
Two, on a less constructive note, you deserve the flames for mentioning Touhou and putting it in the tags, likely to just tick off fans. You just wanted the trouble, huh?
Namohysip 8 months ago
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koagasa21 8 months ago
@koagasa21 You've overlooked a good portion of the danmaku genre that are actually a lot more varied than you think.
Guwange, Esp.Ra.De, EspGaluda (II) and Death Smiles all have you playing as the characters themselves instead of their craft.
Guwange is probably the most unique of them all as it takes place on the ground meaning you don't have 100% access of the screen at all times.
MattTheSpratt 8 months ago
TOUHOU IS BETTER THAN ANY OF THOSE DANMAKU GAMES WILL EVER BE!!!
jbird1130 8 months ago
@jbird1130 *thumbs you up*
lEagleThunder 8 months ago
FUCK YOU ITS NOT FUCKING SHRINE MAIDEN CARP its called touhou and its the best danmaku game ever and iff you think its some kind of crap keep it to your self motherfucking fag
sandratail 9 months ago
I think XOP Black deserves a place on the list though!
Mysteria9 10 months ago
Thank god, a list like this without touhou on it.
sjoecool1991 11 months ago
Touhou has some of the most beautiful patterns in danmaku history, it's as if it was programmed by an artist. Wait... it is. It deserves a placing. By the way? 13 comes out sunday. Respect.
I do, however, agree with Mars Matrix's placing. I'm addicted to that sucker.
msMOONandmsSTAR 11 months ago 19
@msMOONandmsSTAR Due to the earthquake TH13 stock will be delayed, though :(
lavar36 11 months ago
@msMOONandmsSTAR Touhou ftw.
Iemanonymous1 7 months ago 2
Your right but that doesn't allow you to mock a great game with your narrow minded ridicule of Touhou. Just makes you a jerk. That's why in 6 months you only have 1500k views. Youtube viewers don't care about what you think, it's about sharing what you like not bashing others opinions. young one? That just proves how pretentious you are, you talk like your in your teens. Also your TOP game doesn't even come close to Touhou SA in terms of difficulty.
BreathesMusic1990 11 months ago
Btw Nice Like to Dislike ratio :D
TruXByakuya 11 months ago 5
@TruXByakuya Yeah, big mistake to exclude Touhou, the most popular Danmaku out there.
ShuyaTheDark 6 months ago
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Teh. Everyone knows about Touhou so that just proves it's popularity, arcades don't matter, most you guys all know you downloaded and never thought twice about supporting the creator so screw off. I mean seriously who's heard of half of these danmaku??? mainly enthusiasts. In Touhou the patterns are made not to dodge but graze for point multipliers, i.e. more difficult end game for expert players. Overrated??? One guy is all it took at least say "oh and Touhou" but you put SCREW touhou? Jerks.
TruXByakuya 11 months ago
@TruXByakuya @TruXByakuya 1. Arcades do matter or your precious Touhou games wouldn't exist.
2. Speak for yourself, young one. I OWN the console ports of every single game in this video.
3. You want to "graze"? Go play Psyvariar, where it's not just an optional thing for a few more points-- in Psyvariar, buzzing (or as you call it, "grazing") is required to survive.
4. Touhou is overrated. Most of its fans don't even play the games. Sort of like Final Fantasy VII.
5. You mad.
AnonymousXXXXXX 11 months ago
@AnonymousXXXXXX * played every touhou game that has ever existed*
KawaiiMangaArtist 11 months ago
Well every game has pros and cons
(No offence)
The top 10 listed are very hard, and quite challenging, thus can keep you occipied.
Touhou produced danmaku, which ZUN gives them a name each(except non-spellcards). They are meaningful and most probably have more aesthetic-ness than the shumps listed.
This vid listed the top 10 in terms of difficulty. True, ketsui is the hardest so far, so he is not wrong.
But, don't put down Touhou's fame~
'coz games are meant to be played, not criticized :)
lavar36 1 year ago
@lavar36 Oh, and IMO sometimes touhou is really overrated :X
lavar36 1 year ago
@lavar36 Who gives a shit about aesthetics when the patterns practically dodge themselves 90% of the time and are thus boring as fuck, though?
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand Lol chillx
You gotta look at each and every person's perspective and then balance them :D
lavar36 1 year ago
@lavar36 You say games are not to be criticized? What about Superman 64? Stupid nigger.
PSPisaPOS 10 months ago
There isn't something like a top 10 danmaku games, why? because Touhou wins the 10 places right away.
resplandent 1 year ago
@resplandent Obvious troll is obvious.
ZUN has worked for Taito for years now, he could have made tons of Yen debuting his newer games in the arcades, or at least on XBLA/PSN. The old "I don't want my games to become mainstream" shit is either a bad excuse for not producing arcade-quality stuff, or a truly hipster statement, and in vain since Touhou is single-handedly the most overrated shmup series, with more fanart on Pixiv than any other series combined.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand People still play on arcades? oh my...
Hate touhou how much you want, everyone knows Touhou is the best, or tell that to their 1 billon of fans.
Those top 10 games have terrible graphics and music, and they doesn't have fan works like touhou has <3
Deal with it.
resplandent 1 year ago
@resplandent I lol'd.
TreetopYodeler 1 year ago
Touhou is better than all these 10 games you listed.
Reiisen 1 year ago
@Reiisen >fangirl named Reiisen comments that a series of doujin shmups by a small-time amateur are of higher quality than top-notch arcade titles from Cave, Raizing, Skonec, Alfa System, and Takumi.
>expects to be taken seriously.
NOPE.jpg
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand Search "Touhou" on google or youtube, or anywhere else really. Compare results to any other Danmaku game. Come back to me when you find one with more results.
4perture5cience 10 months ago
@4perture5cience
Search for "Kefka" on Google: About 777,000 results
Search for "Sephiroth" on Google: About 4,900,000 results
The moral of this story: Quality over quantity.
zweihand 10 months ago
the "because it's a pc shmup, it sucks" mentality is fucking hysterical. crimson clover drops a cleveland steamer on most of the games in this list. why is ibara so high on the list and bakraid entirely omitted when ibara is a successor to the garegga and bakraid; particularly when ibara is pretty much a shit game with shit scoring. guwange? dimahoo?
MrRapoon 1 year ago
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@MrRapoon
AnonymousXXXXXX here. (alt sign-in)
"the "because it's a pc shmup, it sucks" mentality is fucking hysterical."
Samidare is my favorite PC game.
"ibara is pretty much a shit game with shit scoring."
Play Binky's Facts and Opinions; you'll find that your statement is an opinion.
zweihand 1 year ago
the touhou tags are just a troll, you deserve to be CAVED! AnonymousXXXXXX (no, I don't meant Cave, that danmaku games company, but CAVED! CAVED! CAVED!!!)
Melylareputamadre 1 year ago
@leming400 touhou 9 is better than 7 and 6? ಠ_ಠ
Melylareputamadre 1 year ago
You have good taste in shmups. Except for Ibara, I flat out own all of these for either the Saturn, PS2, Dreamcast, or Xbox360. I cheat a little with Ketsui Death Label for the DS.
reztoc 1 year ago
one persons thoguh about , what that person like. leave him be.
he may hate touhou as much as he wants.
srsly. it may be i like touhou, but for that reason i don't go bash people who don't like it.
BTW he actually has some good arguments, BRB playing some touhou UNL.. something, NOT about fairys shooting.. ohoho.
alexzander2211 1 year ago
as cool as cave games are, its good to see a bullet hell list with other shmups in it. Mars Matrix rocks!
TrevHead10 1 year ago
@leming400 Nope.jpg
5/10. I sort of chuckled but your trollface is showing through the screen here.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
Any idea where to get ESPGaluda II other than Play-Asia? Sure I could get it from there, but man is it ever expensive to import Danmakus on X360 -_-
I wish they would have made it on PC or released in NA as well, would be much easier to buy financially. No idea why PC danmakus are a lot less expensive to import, but it sure helps making you feel ripped off when importing on X360.
FetusZero 1 year ago
@FetusZero The last arcade shmup ported to PC (to my knowledge) was Castle Shikigami III. Probably wasn't a good idea since PC games are so easy to pirate. PC danmaku games are cheaper because they're doujin/amateur games. Some of which are quite good (like Samidare or Angeraze 2) but without the company logo and reputation to back them up (i.e. Cave) they really wouldn't sell if they asked much more than $20-30 a pop. I don't really feel ripped-off when importing arcade ports; they're a hell...
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
@FetusZero ...of a lot cheaper than their original PCB units. If it makes you feel any better, Mushihime-sama Futari's like $35 or something on Play-Asia now because it became a Platinum Collection game with its sales. If that happens with ESPGaluda II Black Label, though, it may take a while. To me, $80 for a fuckton of replay value (and in ESPGaluda II's case, gameplay modes) is worth it, but that's just my opinion. At least it's region-free. Unlike Ketsui and DDP DFK. Glad my 360 is imported.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
@AnonymousXXXXXX You mark a point, $80 for such games that you can replay basically forever isn't such a rip-off after all. I did see Mushihimesama Futari for $35 on Play-Asia, unfortunately it's back ordered at the moment so I'll have to wait.
It's unfortunate for PC shmups to be pirated so much though, but then that's why whenever someone asks me about them I point them to where I bought it. I prefer supporting them than stealing it, especially if it's independent.
Thanks for the info!
FetusZero 1 year ago
@FetusZero I felt so good when I finally was able to find a copy of Samidare earlier this year, after it's been my favorite PC shmup (and PC game overall) for years now.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand Good you could find it! The very few places I checked it's always out of stock. If you didn't get it on eBay, mind sharing where you bought it? Having more stores available to purchase these games is always a good thing.
FetusZero 1 year ago
@FetusZero Sorry. I got mine when it first came out. pre-ordered it. I'd check back at Play-Asia, or have them notify you when it's available again.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand i like samidare as its only 3 stages so its a short but sweet experience, i found the extra stage a tad overwhelming and didnt bother with it but someday ild like to go back to it
TrevHead10 1 year ago
Check out mushihimesama futari final boss and while your at it check out giga wing those are two really good shmups
Leigh46 1 year ago
Touhou is also hard! TH_06 is the hardest one! final stage,extra stage,last word,-
Phantasm, Their all hard!
atfyntify 1 year ago
@atfyntify Sure, they're "hard" if you've never played a true arcade shmup... If you've never played Dodonpachi, or Ketsui, or Ibara... then sure, Touhou's hard.. for a fuckin' idiot.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand
Aren't they all shooting games?
atfyntify 1 year ago
@atfyntify Have ZUN's cute little amateur games stood the test of time in the arcades? I doubt they'd reel much money in even if they were put in arcades anyway, with how easy they are to 1CC.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand
Say,come to think about it touhou is a bit easy even on lunatic when you shift.
atfyntify 1 year ago
where is mushihime sama futari?
ledoudinou 1 year ago
Good to see no TouHou, but I think the list is a bit congested with a little too much Cave. Maybe a little Dimahoo or HellSinker might replace a few things in there.
DarkBahamut 1 year ago
No DDP original?
OyVeey 1 year ago
@leming400
Nope. They're so amateur they never even saw the light of day in the arcades.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
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resplandent 1 year ago
>no touhou
Rebel cur!
Even if your hate doujin games, and shrine maiden games, you can't say they're not some of the hardest danmaku around. I agree with most of your other choices though.
dudesk099 1 year ago
@dudesk099
Nope.avi.
Almost every CAVE's shmups takes more practise to clear than it takes to clear any lunatic-mode ( expect for ESPgaluda, Deathsmiles route 1 and Akai Katana ).
Sasupoika2 1 year ago
@Sasupoika2
After I typed this comment I thought about this. You're half right. It's touhous clashing colors that make it difficult (at least for me) to clear. Mushihime-sama on the PS2, Deathsmiles 1-3, Donpachi, DoDonpachi, etc. are all easier for me. Mars Matrix on the other hand, DDP Dai Oujou, Dai Fukkatsu, and Ibara for PS2(but you can barely see the bullets) are EXTREMELY difficult.
dudesk099 1 year ago
I got Soukyugurentai for Saturn. Awesome game! Haven't tried the other games you shown but would love to someday. Glad to see someone else that thinks touhou is overrated. I mean really EVERY shmup vid I see here has a couple of people posting "looks like touhou" as if touhou invented manic shmups.
Soukyugurentai 1 year ago
tsugoro88 1 year ago
@tsugoro88 Nice list, except for Ikaruga not being danmaku/ bullet hell by any means.
zweihand 1 year ago
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tsugoro88 1 year ago
hmm, i never liked touhou, it's repetitive and boring after 5 min. if i where to pick a fav shooter, i would have to actually say mars matrix or dodonpachi(for starting this).
GermanZ5 1 year ago
@zweihand I'm more into stuff like Dodonpachi Dai-ondo, you know
Treasurance 1 year ago
@zweihand usually a shmup has to have decent music to get me interested...actually, at first I didn't like Garegga at all but I kept playing because of Stab and Stomp and now I love the game. Yessir, I am we Todd Ed
Treasurance 1 year ago
@Treasurance Your own problem if you didn't like Mars Matrix's trance beats.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand Mars Matrix has no music
Bananamatic 1 year ago
@Bananamatic Actually it does, it has an OST. Just because the ISO you downloaded didn't have music (no idea why it wouldn't; the game is well under 800 mb) doesn't mean the actual game doesn't have music.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand What I meant was that the music is so goddamn uninteresting or way too silent compared to the weapon sounds that you don't even notice it at times
the boss track is decent though
Bananamatic 1 year ago
@Bananamatic Meh. Opinions. I still love the stage 3 theme. And boss theme.
zweihand 1 year ago
@zweihand
it has lame graphics and music, and that goddamn shield gimmick. However, it does have some cool bullet patterns. Maybe the DC version is better
Treasurance 1 year ago
@Treasurance Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
zweihand 1 year ago
agreeing with Garegga (though its not a danmaku IMO), DOJ and Ketsui...but what the hell are those others doing there, especially Mars Matrix, and wheres GUWANGE
Treasurance 1 year ago
@Treasurance Mars Matrix is a classic. Durr.
zweihand 1 year ago
Why do you have so many tags for Touhou if you don't care for it? By the way, I still think it's an awesome danmaku.
sanakurata179 1 year ago
Heyyyyyy!Touhou dosen't suck!!!!I'ts one of the best danmaku games EVAAAAAAR!!!The fanboys on the other hand...
KrIsKoshow 1 year ago
@KrIsKoshow No, it really isn't. It's sub-par at best. Go play Mars Matrix.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
Also, don't hate on Touhou. The fanboys are annoying, I know, but the games themselves are some of the best Doujin shmups out there. Shoot The Bullet in particular is awesome and offers a fresh take on the genre.
DanielJMachin 1 year ago 2
@DanielJMachin granted, on the note of STB. I also liked PCB, IN, and PoFV. Sort of thought EoSD was okay. Still, check out Samidare or the eXceed series if you think Touhou is hot shit.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
Souky is no more of a bullet-hell game than, say, Cho Ren Sha or Raiden III. I.e it isn't one.
I agree with most of the games in your list (although not necessarily in that order). The thing is, there are so many great danmaku shmups, you can't narrow it down to ten without omitting some real gems. I'd definitely sub Shiki 2 and Psyvariar 2 for better games, they're both good but I wouldn't rate them over the likes of DDP or APB.
DanielJMachin 1 year ago
@DanielJMachin Meh. it's by Raizing, it's still borderline bullet hell, it uses Rank.
Perhaps on Shiki 2, pertaining to what you said, but I felt the game had some fun stages and truly amazing boss fights, particularly stage 3's dudes and the final boss. I'd still place Psyvariar 2 as an absolute classic, though. The entire game is one long graceful dance. ...complete with ballerina spinning mechs.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
I guess you'd consider Gradius 'danmaku' too then when played on higher loops...
Bakraid and ESP Ra.De. above Futari? lol, you sure love the taste of boss milk eh?
DanielJMachin 1 year ago
@DanielJMachin Not so much on Gradius, since high-loop Gradius play just involves sitting on the rightmost side of the screen so all the bullets fly past you.
And yes, yes I do. Would have thought that was obvious from putting Psyvariar 2, Ketsui, Battle Garegga, and Ibara on there.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
Soukyugurentai isn't a danmaku.
Futari should definitely be on there.
DanielJMachin 1 year ago
@DanielJMachin It is danmaku when you build up Rank...
Also, I couldn't put Futari on it if I couldn't even fit the games that I'd rate above it. (Dodonpachi, ESP Ra.De., Dangun Feveron, Battle Bakraid, Armed Police Batrider, etc)
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
Oh god why so many Toehoe tags. :V
Beamswordu 1 year ago
@Beamswordu So dey see me trollin'.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
My favorite bullet hell is pong olololo
samo642 1 year ago
Awesome list. I do really enjoy DOJ and I am still trying to 1-ALL it.
Sasupoika2 1 year ago
Heck yes, Ketsui at #1. Nice taste sir.
FormlessGod 1 year ago
Whats with the Touhou diss? ;/
Razz9119 1 year ago
@Razz9119 Golly gee, I don't know. Maybe because Touhou games are inferior to true arcade shmups?
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
@AnonymousXXXXXX Well, it's your opinion so i won't go do any flaming really :P. But mind you that Touhou got it's pro's that Cave games do not. Like for example the Soundtracks and the beautiful bullet patterns. Also, i do understand that Cave may be nostalgic to some, so it's hard to let touhou in their danmaku gaming (:
Razz9119 1 year ago
@Razz9119 I don't even see what you're talking about. Cave games have beautiful but deadly patterns and soundtracks which range from great to godlike. A bullet pattern shouldn't be measured on how pretty it is; it should rely on being deadly as well as beautiful with its motions. Any given blue-and-pink Ketsui boss pattern > all of those over-flashy Touhou rainbow patterns. Touhou shit always falls back on using every color of the rainbow to distract you from how dull and easily-dodged it is.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
@Razz9119 Also, I didn't start playing Cave shmups until I played ESPGaluda and Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou in 2005, then played the earlier ones later on. There is no nostalgia in my case; I played Imperishable Night before I played the earlier Dodonpachi titles and ESPRade.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
@Razz9119 Cave has explosions
Touhou has fairy popping
Cave wins
Bananamatic 1 year ago
and where the fuck is Dimahoo
Bananamatic 1 year ago
subtle trolling is subtle
Bananamatic 1 year ago
@Bananamatic I actually meant for that Touhou screencap to be the thumbnail for this video. I made sure to place it at exactly the middle of the video, but Jewtube fucked up and didn't take a cap from the middle by default, like it used to.
AnonymousXXXXXX 1 year ago
my favourite shooter this gen is Raiden IV on the xbox 360, i just wish they did a Ps3 port
Muffincakeswithsugar 1 year ago
Very nice Toohoo diss.
TreetopYodeler 1 year ago
lol Forget about that shrine maiden crap, not like it's anything worth remembering.
MrLegionnare 1 year ago
what, no mushihimesama? D:
Demonicdan3 1 year ago
@Demonicdan3 I was surprised to not see it on the list too, though to be honest, I don't like Mushihimesama that much. The backgrounds are way too distracting for me and hurt my eyes after playing awhile.
I like that Ketsui and DoDonPachi on the list, awesome games.
I know your opinion on the Touhou games Anonymous, but I do enjoy them. Well I should rephrase that as; I enjoy the later Touhou games, I don't care for 9 and below.
DarkyoshiAshsPal 1 year ago