Beijing 2008 - MSI - GOLD - Zhong CHN v Lopez FRA - 2 of 2

[jfp521]

It doesn't matter I'd his blade came out first, Zhong didn't prepare and attack and he was also on the attack there fore the point goes to Zhong

[TheGreenRaven303]

who's that pissed-off looking guy at 2:40? I don't know all the olympic participants, but he's not one i am familiar with.

[Heinreichnicus]

last point should give to lopez

[barrylichina]

LAst point shud be Lopez, He def made the shot first.

[lirangross]

If you pause the viseo on 1:43, you will see that Zhong is behind the line..

[CyrusofChaos]

@lirangross right but he got the touch and then slid off

[zepdrix]

why is joe satriani playing

[killakay251]

Lopez has hops, I met the dude and he really isn't that tall

[chwuwd]

for all you jealous losers, electronics don't lie

[rorcon]

6:40 wtf???

[CyrusofChaos]

@rorcon what is it you are referring to?

[firstjedi]

Chine won cause the milenarium learning of path of the sword on shoalin.

[pinquifrustri]

@firstjedi Yes, that's why China leads the historical scoreboard of Olympic fencing... WTF are you saying!

[carpediem081]

That last hit looked questionable.

[CyrusofChaos]

@carpediem081 nope it was the right call. everyone knew it, even lopez

[wutever22]

@CyrusofChaos wait, but why is it the right call? lopez hit zhong first but zhong had the lower shot, was it cus he was under lopez's guard or what?

[CyrusofChaos]

@wutever22 are referring to the last touch? lopez was counterattacking, he was trying to get one light on zhong. zhong was attacking and had right of way. if you have right of way and there are two lights you get the touch

[wutever22]

@CyrusofChaos oh okay, good to know

[GEORGEMONE]

@CyrusofChaos It's questionable, in my opinion. Lopez touch by few first, making the tempo counterattack over the preparation in the attack of Zhong. Zhong is advancing with his arm low. I'm not sure at all, in fact, Lopez doesn't complain, that could be a reason that he accept the decision, but if you stop the video in minute 5:15, i see it quite clear.

[EPRSwordsman]

@CyrusofChaos Thats horse shit. No offense to you but I've slowed this down 10 times now and that last touch goes to Lopez without a doubt. Zhong kept his arm down and it even looked like he pulled back a little. I dont see anyway Zhong had that point.

[CyrusofChaos]

@EPRSwordsman look man, even lopez knows it wasnt his touch. it doesnt matter what position the arm is in: zhong was attacking and lopez was trying to hit him in prep and get one light. if its not one light then it will almost never be called attack in prep. this is an olympic final and this director was being watched and scrutinized by every director in the world. lopez didnt even as for a replay. if the fencer who is scored against isnt complaining its not their touch

[EPRSwordsman]

@CyrusofChaos Still I'm not that convinced. Zhong would have won on the next touch but if you are referring to the fact that Zhong was moving forward and Lopez was moving back, it would make no difference since the one who is extending the arm is the one who is attacking. (I'm guessing you might already know this cus you are lecturing me on this stuff lol) Just slow it down yourself and you will see what I mean.

[CyrusofChaos]

@EPRSwordsman i dont know what i can say to convince you then. once someone establishes right of way they are a lot more lax on what is called an attack. generally if one person is going forward and the other is going back they will not call preparation. especially one as slight as this one

[MrZbank]

@carpediem081 Lopez made a counter attack to zhong's attack. point to zhong

[jiri1991]

that's joe satriani's summer song at the end!!! :D

[turnbacktime]

this sport would be more diverse if you could move side to side. it should be a circle not a strip.

[bebobobalu]

@turnbacktime basketball would also me more diverse if you could kick the ball. soccer would be more diverse if you could use your hands. It is the limitations of a sport that make them fun to play, not how realistic or practical it is.

[turnbacktime]

@bebobobalu dude i'm just talking about moving side to side... thats all. f you want to simulate a sword fight why not let this be an option.

[SquallLionhart409]

@bebobobalu Football (American... stupid name but still) would be more "diverse" if you didn't only run the ball trying to get close enough to kick a field goal, unless someone breaks a giant run. Wait...

[lordketurah]

All Thanks to a French teacher for Zhong Man

[lc368]

Zhong's balance at 3:05 is incredible.

Also, interesting to notice that Lopez didn't come close to a point after he lost his last video challenge...

[yihd]

Asian pride man.

[vinceat852]

well, I can't exactly post other stuff I've donesince it regards a school locker... i'm a pyro-enthusiast, and if you can't understand that, that's fine by me.

but hey, what I do and what I say on another topic doesn't mean anything, so lay off the personal attacks, yeah?

if you're going to disagree, then answer logically. Please place a rebuttal instead of a personal attack.

Politicians piss me off, and THIS statement is in direct relation to your COMMENT.

[frankkalani]

does the computers detect all the contact or does the judge make the calls sometimes?

[fanjiatia]

Do you see the wires? The metal tip of the saber completes the circuit when it hits any of the valid strike spots. The jacket then sends a message to the helmet that flashes. There is machinery, but the judge has to make the call.

[CyrusofChaos]

actually in grand prixes, world championships, and the olympics it is all wireless but otherwise you are correct

[nintendork1982]

I'm more than a little certain that Lopez could kick my ass, but honestly, is if very tactical to stick one foot in the air in an almost jump forward the way he seems to do a lot? It seems very juvenile to me. Am I wrong?

[bchen2520]

its not tactical, its more of his style of fencing. he sticks the foot in the air when he counterattacks off balance, which often catches most of his opponents in the middle of their attack. it seems to work very well against many fencers

[MissAz1211]

we gotta say, Zhong's has better mental preparation than Lopez. anyhow, also give credits to Zhong's translator. She is the communicator between him and his coach since Zhong can't speak English and his coach can't speak chinese.  I've watched Zohng played live. He was awesome. ;)

[timodeusdragon]

man, after Lopez stops taking in points, he gets angry, and much less tactical.

[lordketurah]

the referee is even telling him to hurry up and stand up...

[lordketurah]

@FENCEJ

I do agree with vince that the audience should not be booing, (and yes I agree with you on the video thing)

but mind you vince, other countries hosting the olympics have done this too... and I am sure it will happen again in London 2014

[Locker344]

both are good but zhong pulled that outa nowhere and i think one o those hits was lopez but they called it as zhong

[vinceat852]

Look, I'm from Hong Kong, but seriously, can't the chinese have some form?!

Booing?! in fencing?!

cheering during the bout/when they are fencing?!

Fencing is a gentleman's sport, not some boxing match! This is pure desecration of the sport! I would bet a good bit that the cheering and the booing had really wore down on Lopez. and this is coming from a chinese. I'm disgusted at my brethen.

[oplkoplk2]

yes!!first of all..they cheer like crazy..and then boo lopez???one sided..and its so burning to spirit in lopez out..truthfully...not to say zhong is not good..but can see that lopez is better than zhong..

[oracle3456]

@oplkoplk2

i dunt there was any probs with the cheering. In 2004, the final was between italy and china in men's team foil, the spetators did the same, perhaps even louder.

in fottball, if try to waste the time, the audiences will boo at the tea as well. anyway the referee asked lopez to get quick as well.he was being tricky and spending the time to readjust himself. he received oral warnings from the ref several times, lucky him did not get a yellow card!!!

[lordketurah]

I agree with oracle3456 so very much!

While the spetators of the Athens cheered so loudly, ppl like oplkoplk2 call it "encouragement"

and in China? oh yeah, you called it "disgust and distraction"

And the funny thing is that they want to teach us about "equality" ...

[tat668]

oplkoplk2

Lopez may be very good, and I've seen him in much higher confidence bouts, but at these highest level competitions it is the best man/woman of that moment wins.

Lopez was clearly shaken in his attacks inn this bout and his risky counter attacks that did not pay off with Zhong. I am not commenting on Lopez's skill just your comment of this video that Lopez is better than Zhong.

[stevenc323]

If you are disgusted by your own brethren (yes that's how you spell it), maybe you aren't part of the brethren? And btw... the cheering and booing is called a home court advantage in sports.

[vinceat852]

being disgusted at a particular behavior is only showing a moral consciousness. If it's part of your country's culture to spit out one's windows, wouldn't you think that it's disgusting? I'm disgusted at their behavior in this respect, and what's more, I blame the cultural revolution: back when my grandfather was a boy, they slept with the doors open, to let in more air. Now, you'd need window bars on the second floor.

[vinceat852]

and maybe in basketball or football, but that's because it's the sport's culture to have cheering during the whole game. In fencing, the culture or norm is to keep silent and cheer after a point is scored, not when they're actually fencing. Even in interschool, even when we're against a traditional rival, even if we're just teens, we keep a respectful silence when the bout's in progress. This is unacceptable. PRC educates the ppl on spitting, but neglect respect for the sports themselves.

[VidN00b]

it's not like they didn't cheer in Athens, its a gold medal match. I would be cheering for whoever wins, fun sport

[tat668]

Vinceat852

The Olympic Committee and FIE have been trying hard to turn fencing into a spectator sport for quite a while. Competitors with insufficient mental preparation and distract easily don't belong on that platform.

If Olympic Committee or FIE found that a cheering or jeering crowd takes away from the spirit of the sport, they can amend the rules to reflect their requirements.

You are entitled to your opinion much like those who paid to attend that match expressing theirs,loudly.

[vinceat852]

Well, a spectator's sport doesn't mean they have to yell during the bout. I have no qualms about them yelling as long as the competitors aren't fencing. That's all. I don't mind them yelling when the referee is calling the touch, but just when they're fencing.

There's a time and place for everything. One attraction of fencing is that it's got class, not that it's exclusive, mind. To do anything that takes away from that would be a shame.

[frankkalani]

So you want it to be like gold where they hold up sign telling everyone to be quiet?

As tat said it is up to the IOC, but you do have a good point. Until there are rules regading noise its up to the audience how they want to view. If the spectators had more class they would be mindful of the competitors and shush themselves like tennis spectators do, but then again it depends on the audience.

[frankkalani]

As a fencer i would prefer there to be silence but if the sports been conducted without it for all these years then i understand thats just how the games played and it adds to the livelyhood of fencing. The crowd is affecting both so its fair. It may not be fair if one person does better under pressure, but then that would be a personal issue they would have to overcome. If i were watching id go with the crowd. If their loud, im loud. if their quit, as am i.

[vinceat852]

I don't mind cheering in between calls and the actual fencing, but I expect silence during the action. so yes, I would.

True that it involves more people, but I thin kthat while a sport has to adapt, it should keep its flavor. Say, for example, while a city develops, it has to keep its monuments, if only a a cultural symbol. Silence and respect during fencing is a symbol of fencing's origins as a gentlemen's dueling ediquette. Sport culture should be preserved by those who are involved.

[frankkalani]

I agree with you and if i were on the committee i would vote for regulating the volume of the audience when there is action.

till then we have to hope for the people in attendance to learn some respect.

[vinceat852]

If only.

It's just that I'm discontent with the Central(Beijing) government: they'd put on a show about manners and not spitting, yet forget to respect the sport itself. It's like teaching a diplomat the correct manners in a country then forgetting to instruct him on the issue at hand.

[bebobobalu]

thanks for posting all these vids cyrusofchaos. i appreciate it