Honey, you're being prescriptivist. It's unfair on these ladies cuz I bet you're using the speech style of the ladies you hang around with, too, which is not any more neutral than what the younger ladies use. Vocal fries might be a thing of the future, the way we speak changes all the time, Get used to it or we're all going to be grumpy grannies.
@TheMtswana "Linguistic change is inevitable, therefore all changes are to be accepted, and it is wrong to for the individual to try to have any sort of agency in the direction that linguistic changes take".
That, essentially, is what I hear from anti-prescriptivists who defend speech abominations such as vocal fry.
This isnt new at all and it used to be called a 'swing.' My family home movies from the 50s my Grandma does that and my Mom does it as a preppy in the 70s home movies.
I had no idea what 'vocal fry' was until I read an article on it today in the New York times. So I looked it up here and found your video. Best explanation, thank you.
It IS annoying when it's used excessively to convey a certain fabricated feeling i.e. I'm just too cool for school and over everything. I hear it a lot in my field of work (media & entertainment) However vocal fry is completely natural. I have a raspy alto voice for a woman and I vocal fry regularly with certain words. Enjoyed the video!
Abby, I'm amused by your vid and impressed by your opinion. But isn't it pointless to rail against tidal trends in English (oral and written, idiom and grammar)? It may be more useful to explore what they reflect about society at the moment. I surfed here by way of today's article in The Times, so congrats for being ahead of the curve.
lots of wrong ideas in here. vocal fry, creeks, crispy sounds etc, are effects added to your vocal mode/technique. it´s not a tone!. it can be used without harming your vocal chords as long as you respect the limitations. For more information and right knowledge about the anatomy of our vocal chords, larynx, support.. I strongly recommend Sadolin´s Complete Vocal Technique/Institute. One of the biggest schools in the world specializing in vocal techniques
You know what's more annoying than fry tones. This chick and this video. OMFG. So silly. Worse yet, unfunny and the "facts" are refuted by professionals. Well, so much for that.
I'm glad I ran into this. I was tearing my hair out tring to figure out wtf I was hearing coming out of some girls yap hole. It's obnoxious! It's sound like a throat burp!
I too find vocal fry ugly and annoying. I suppose its popularity comes from the tone of casual indifference that conveys. The problem here is that this woman's harangue is at least as irritating as the habit she's complaining about for an overlong three and a half minutes.
I heard about this effect and wondered what it sounded like/how it differed from the stereotypical "valley girl" vocal nuisance. This video answered all my questions. Thank you! And you're quite cute too, AbbyNormal (haha, Young Frankenstein).
Vocal fry is good for vocal health if done in a relaxed way, when you say its not good for the throat, that tells me you don't know shit about singing bitch, now make me a sandwich.
This annoying condition is a result of young girls emulating the idiot Kardashian Sisters. It infuriates me when I hear young girls talking like this. It's like some Valley Girl - Kardashian hybrid to make them appear smarter. I've noticed it for quite some time now and it's nice to Abby Normal explained it so well here.
I just realized ths is the way a cousin of mine speaks like. And I thought the reason was. her being spoiled. The glide you mention, it sounds as if they were always asking, that doubt tone, annoying indeed.
Ah, yes, the vocal fry: also known as the "vocal slut-bomb", as popularized by Britney Spears. Please don't throw poo at me; that's something only monkeys do. : )
I didn't know it had a name either until I heard them talking about it on the Today show one morning. I think it's annoying and makesgirls sound like cheap trollopes.
she copied this off of wikipedia lol everything she mentions is off there, and if it isn't good tell that to death metal bands that have been around since the 80's lol
I never knew what this was even called until just recently, but I knew it got on my nerves. There would be some woman on the bachelor and it seems all of them when they talked had vocal fry and its seems to be an attempt for them to sound just oh so cute and mousy and sexy. I think Bill Clinton when he talked had a lot of vocal fry going on.
@Snagglepussify It is a part of natural speech, and it occurs naturally from time to time, not to mention that I had been doing it earlier in the video (so it is habitual). The problem, however, is extended or emphasized use over time that is detrimental to vocal cords and, frankly, irritating. If you are willing to take a listen to your own speech patterns, you would also hear vocal fry.
@abbynormal0ne If it's natural then, why "epidemic"? And nope, I don't do it in the slightest, nor does anyone I know personally. I listen to NPR regularly & have seen the increase in this fad over recent years & they're not necessarily young. Highly educated, mature people are also guilty (including a small minority of men). All I can say is that I find it SO ugly, I turn off my radio (which I hate because I love NPR & there's nothing else worth listening to on American radio).
Seems like in these times, vocal fry inevitably or naturally happens at the end of statements or sentences. But I never really noticed it or heard of "vocal fry" until now. Pretty interesting how they exaggerate it like that..
@hey89148 As mentioned many times in this comment section as well as in the video annotations and info box themselves, I'm talking about the *over use* of fry tones in speech patterns. They are natural, but using them TOO MUCH is detrimental, and, frankly, irritating.
It is subjective at best, and who made you the final judge and jury of how often you use vocal fry? As stated below, they are not particularly bad for your vocal cords -- so it appears your rant is quite unfounded.
That's just how we talk up here in Cascadia. It's an actual part of our accent, not a trend/fad. Please do some research on the matter & Google "pacific northwest creaky voice" before showering us with your irritating form of speaking.
Actually, it's not particularly bad for your vocal cords. There are many languages that use vocal fry as part of their phonemic system, therefore it's a natural speech production. It used to be classified as a speech disorder when a person used it involuntarily, but that is being rethought. Also, while the trend is making it more obvious, "normal" speakers use a fair amount of it to begin with.
Check out your own register at 1:18 and 1:47 where you use it in short "um" and "uh" fillers and at 1:44 in the word "not" where your register fries briefly. Also, you say that it's a learned behavior used to get along with a group...well, pretty much all speech is a learned behavior used to get along with a group. Just because this new trend is irritating to you doesn't mean it isn't a valid speech method. It's just not within your prescriptive speech norm.
@luulapants111 Hi, vocal pedague here. Master of Music in Vocal Pedagogy, to be exact. I even mentioned in the notations of the video that it's naturally occurring. I said the over emphasis on vocal fry is detrimental. I also had been speaking with vocal fry, and because it is a learned behavior, it was stuck in my head. It is detrimental to vocal health because it's poor vocal production. So is weak breath flow and whispering.
While this particular tonal usage is not damaging as used in normal speech, excessive use can prevent singers from being able to access their falsetto and whistle ranges, and can also make it more difficult to switch between voices. Overuse of this particular tone is why the grammy-winner Adele recently had to have surgery on her voice to remove vocal nodes.
@cmbroderick lots of wrong ideas in here. vocal fry, creeks, crispy sounds etc, are effects added to your vocal mode/technique. it´s not a tone!. it can be used without harming your vocal chords as long as you respect the limitations. For more information and right knowledge about the anatomy of our vocal chords, larynx, support.. I strongly recommend Sadolin´s Complete Vocal Technique/Institute. One of the biggest schools in the world specializing in vocal techniques
In order to sing in the oktavist range, is vocal fry required? I'm an amateur bass vocalist who is experimenting with singing in the oktavist range and I'm sounding much more natural at it but I'm worried that I'm just creating vocal fry register. If you need an example, I'll be happy to record a video or audio file and post it.
@NezbitOfficialBand Vocal fry is a kind of way to cheat to the low notes that some people do, but if you have a natural bass tone and feel comfortable singing that low without strain on your throat/voice, you're probably fine. Many people can confuse very low basses with vocal fry because of the low frequency. Pay attention to your body. If you create vocal fatigue in your singing, try to find a better way to sing or seek an instructor. I'd be happy to watch a video you have uploaded.
@abbynormal0ne I don't feel fatigued when I do sing it, but the thing is is that I sing it so often that I just wanted to make sure that I'm not doing something damaging to my vocal chords or pretending to do something I'm not. Thanks for the help. - Ian
@NezbitOfficialBand It's really hard to know unless I hear it, but if you don't feel like your throat hurts after a normal amount of singing, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It still would be a good idea to find a good vocal instructor or at least a vocal coach to give you a little help. They're invaluable.
@NezbitOfficialBand The way teenagers talk when they're lazy is nothing like the actual vocal technique of vocal fry. One involves collapsing your throat, one involves naturally allowing air to create a node in your chest.
@sporkbinder2 Yesss thank you! Degrading the speech methods of young women is just another way of saying that you find THEM irritating and shallow and devaluing their role in society! I find it upsetting but not at all surprising that it's a fellow woman doing this.
@numberonealcove How is vocal fry an indignity at all? From a linguistic perspective, there is nothing inherently bad about this trend.
What I said before was a criticism I have against prescriptivism in general. And since it is a viewpoint the original video holds, I was making a "real argument". The speech of young people (especially women) is often met with disdain when it introduces new forms. Those who strive to always uphold proper English fail to see that these changes are natural.
@HairLikeCottonCandy Excuse me, a gentleman does not broach such a request until at least the sixth date with a woman. You sir, are a cad, a cur, and one not deserving of the attention of anyone with a modicum of self respect. Go rub your poop on some whore's vag, you simpering fool.
@slicksnewonenow You think we've lost our regional accents? Media is homogenized, but certainly not America. Any sociolinguist will tell you that. If anything, we're becoming more linguistically diverse, just in different ways.
Vocal fry is not new. Just because all the news outlets are calling it a "trend" doesn't make it one. It means they just noticed it. Mark Liberman (an actual linguist) debunks the story over at Language Log.
This stuff just reminds me of cali girls... sorry to be sterotypical but thats what I think of when I hear people speaking like that...that and snobby knobs!
OMG, like now every thought I have in my, ya know, head sound like that voice at 0:20. I can't stop it. I'm even talking like thaaaat. And I'm a guy! You've infected me!
Yes, yes, I thought I discovered this epidemic and someone already heard about it. I'm glad I'm not alone in noticing. I find it irritating to listening to. I like the explanation here.
@beautifulneverending Also, people don't know their history like they should. Like that saying goes, people who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
Interesting (vocal creak). I've noticed over use of such vocal techniques occur in groups where girls want to fit in. I wonder if there's a correlation with higher rates of insecurity. In certain groups the cattiness rating is probably higher than normal, similarly to Facebook and chat sessions that become put-down fests of the same members of a group. No one wants to be targeted by bitch attacks. And it seems these vocal registrations are part of a behavior code to avoid being a target.
What we really need to do is to boost girls' confidence levels. When girls are self-confident, they protect themselves from pain and manipulations by other girls, bullies, no-good boyfriends/ future husbands, idiot parents, insecure teachers, bosses, etc.
It's all about confidence and self-esteem. Learn to recognize your own co-dependence, girls. Stop trying to please other people, and be your MOST self. If you fall down, get back up again, and don't give a hoot what other people think.
@LaJewel While I agree with you, I don't think that devaluing a speech pattern made BY girls FOR girls is going to boost their confidence. The only reason this trend is seen as unintelligent is because the people that use it are perceived as unintelligent.
Thanks for informing me - I read about "Vocal Fry" in an article and had to YouTube it to see what it sounded like. Is it like a new form of a Valley Girl? I know Kim K. kinda does it.
Strangely enough, Stephen Fry on the show 'Room 101' mentioned his hatred of the upward-inflection at the end of sentences ala Buffy-Speak, everything sounds like a question...
OK, this "vocal fry" term is something I just now read about. It's more or less the Valley Girl tone isn't it. Saw this video by random chance. You do a great impression of it by the way. You're also absolutely charming and adorable! My God! heh-heh. Classic woman! Love it. Keep up the great work Abby!
@PopeyeCove No, it's a vocalism. Valley Girl is the speech pattern *and* the vocalism. We use vocal fry in speech all the time, but it's the over use or *exaggeration* that causes the vocal problems and irritating voices :) Thanks very much.
@abbynormal0ne I like, TOTALLY get, like... what you just said... Ah-K? Seriously, though... thanks for clarifying that. I think what you're saying is that vocal fry is more of the attitude associated with the exaggeration. Kind of like an over-cooked ham... it's fried. :) Oh... and ur like, TOTALLY... like, narly!
@cheeekamoomoo I don't know if I'd want to eat fried vocal cords.....and I'm very glad I don't encounter people that speak with vocal fry tones either because I don't produce enough.....ammo....
I'm definitely with you on this one. Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you, abbynormal0ne.
pcth87 4 hours ago
Honey, you're being prescriptivist. It's unfair on these ladies cuz I bet you're using the speech style of the ladies you hang around with, too, which is not any more neutral than what the younger ladies use. Vocal fries might be a thing of the future, the way we speak changes all the time, Get used to it or we're all going to be grumpy grannies.
TheMtswana 11 hours ago
@TheMtswana "Linguistic change is inevitable, therefore all changes are to be accepted, and it is wrong to for the individual to try to have any sort of agency in the direction that linguistic changes take".
That, essentially, is what I hear from anti-prescriptivists who defend speech abominations such as vocal fry.
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TheMtswana 11 hours ago
1. vocal fry: WWotW --I'll get you my pretty "and your little dog too."
2. vocal fry: AT&T Career Day commercial about bundling services: Mom says AT&T 'does, sooooo."
3. vocal fry: Jess and CeCe of TV show "New Girl"
dawnyawn 11 hours ago
This isnt new at all and it used to be called a 'swing.' My family home movies from the 50s my Grandma does that and my Mom does it as a preppy in the 70s home movies.
MegaFluffyj 16 hours ago
George Takei invented vocal fry.
alpino22 17 hours ago 5
So you're the Princess and the vocal fryers have put a pea under your mattress.
bmarlin611 17 hours ago
I had no idea what 'vocal fry' was until I read an article on it today in the New York times. So I looked it up here and found your video. Best explanation, thank you.
RhymeWirePoetry 21 hours ago 8
Just another voice student regurgitation. It's annoying to me when people use it all the time. It makes them sound lethargic and lazy.
toy23machine 1 day ago
Why hate on the fryers?
phdarch 1 day ago
fry tone on "irritate the crap out of meeeeeee"
dyrkness 1 day ago
It IS annoying when it's used excessively to convey a certain fabricated feeling i.e. I'm just too cool for school and over everything. I hear it a lot in my field of work (media & entertainment) However vocal fry is completely natural. I have a raspy alto voice for a woman and I vocal fry regularly with certain words. Enjoyed the video!
laurzadoll 1 day ago
Abby, I'm amused by your vid and impressed by your opinion. But isn't it pointless to rail against tidal trends in English (oral and written, idiom and grammar)? It may be more useful to explore what they reflect about society at the moment. I surfed here by way of today's article in The Times, so congrats for being ahead of the curve.
ptownfreddy 1 day ago
This video, while informative, is far more irritating than the vocal fry tones it argues against
acjohnson55 1 day ago
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lots of wrong ideas in here. vocal fry, creeks, crispy sounds etc, are effects added to your vocal mode/technique. it´s not a tone!. it can be used without harming your vocal chords as long as you respect the limitations. For more information and right knowledge about the anatomy of our vocal chords, larynx, support.. I strongly recommend Sadolin´s Complete Vocal Technique/Institute. One of the biggest schools in the world specializing in vocal techniques
ooOOThemOOnbirdOOoo 4 days ago
And I will stop wanting to throw poop at your face. LOVE IT! Thanks, Abby!
cmbroderick 1 week ago
You know what's more annoying than fry tones. This chick and this video. OMFG. So silly. Worse yet, unfunny and the "facts" are refuted by professionals. Well, so much for that.
babykin8 1 week ago
is it ironic that she uses vocal fry on accident a couple times?
asschun 1 week ago 2
I'm glad I ran into this. I was tearing my hair out tring to figure out wtf I was hearing coming out of some girls yap hole. It's obnoxious! It's sound like a throat burp!
SportBikeWife 2 weeks ago
I too find vocal fry ugly and annoying. I suppose its popularity comes from the tone of casual indifference that conveys. The problem here is that this woman's harangue is at least as irritating as the habit she's complaining about for an overlong three and a half minutes.
Hijodelaisla 2 weeks ago
I heard about this effect and wondered what it sounded like/how it differed from the stereotypical "valley girl" vocal nuisance. This video answered all my questions. Thank you! And you're quite cute too, AbbyNormal (haha, Young Frankenstein).
aribigmac 3 weeks ago
You talk and move like Chris Crocker.
KRRands 3 weeks ago
Interesting, but notice she does it even when trying not to...
MrsGrey 3 weeks ago
Vocal fry is good for vocal health if done in a relaxed way, when you say its not good for the throat, that tells me you don't know shit about singing bitch, now make me a sandwich.
GetInThaKitchen 3 weeks ago
This annoying condition is a result of young girls emulating the idiot Kardashian Sisters. It infuriates me when I hear young girls talking like this. It's like some Valley Girl - Kardashian hybrid to make them appear smarter. I've noticed it for quite some time now and it's nice to Abby Normal explained it so well here.
Sweence 3 weeks ago
she forgot to use the word like a few thousand times
good4tuna 3 weeks ago 2
I just realized ths is the way a cousin of mine speaks like. And I thought the reason was. her being spoiled. The glide you mention, it sounds as if they were always asking, that doubt tone, annoying indeed.
TheScheiss 4 weeks ago
Ah, yes, the vocal fry: also known as the "vocal slut-bomb", as popularized by Britney Spears. Please don't throw poo at me; that's something only monkeys do. : )
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Iambloodcrazy123 1 month ago
I didn't know it had a name either until I heard them talking about it on the Today show one morning. I think it's annoying and makesgirls sound like cheap trollopes.
CantSpeallRite 1 month ago
cool vid.
mystovski 1 month ago
she copied this off of wikipedia lol everything she mentions is off there, and if it isn't good tell that to death metal bands that have been around since the 80's lol
gravityblast07 1 month ago
YEIII Lets throwww poooop att everyyooneeee's face!!! hahahah :P lol
isn't doing vocal fry harmless when you force it only?
tinsaovez 1 month ago
I didn't know there was a name for this! I have been griping about it forever, and openly mock it when I hear it done in public.
tallchick80 1 month ago
I never knew what this was even called until just recently, but I knew it got on my nerves. There would be some woman on the bachelor and it seems all of them when they talked had vocal fry and its seems to be an attempt for them to sound just oh so cute and mousy and sexy. I think Bill Clinton when he talked had a lot of vocal fry going on.
computarman 1 month ago
It might be just me, but it looks like your eyes have no pupils and I love it.
ThwartedVillainy 1 month ago
Fantastic explanation and examples of vocal fry! You rock!
Simontlm 1 month ago
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Snagglepussify 1 month ago
@Snagglepussify Omg, I know! It's also scary when there's a troll pretending that someone's deleted their comments! OMG, I'm terrified.
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Snagglepussify 1 month ago
@Snagglepussify Judge away.
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Snagglepussify 1 month ago
@Snagglepussify It is a part of natural speech, and it occurs naturally from time to time, not to mention that I had been doing it earlier in the video (so it is habitual). The problem, however, is extended or emphasized use over time that is detrimental to vocal cords and, frankly, irritating. If you are willing to take a listen to your own speech patterns, you would also hear vocal fry.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne If it's natural then, why "epidemic"? And nope, I don't do it in the slightest, nor does anyone I know personally. I listen to NPR regularly & have seen the increase in this fad over recent years & they're not necessarily young. Highly educated, mature people are also guilty (including a small minority of men). All I can say is that I find it SO ugly, I turn off my radio (which I hate because I love NPR & there's nothing else worth listening to on American radio).
Snagglepussify 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne Extensive use of the word 'natural' generally means 'unnaturalness, just saying.'
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Snagglepussify 1 month ago
@Snagglepussify I haven't deleted anything, so you're trolling. Nice :)
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Seems like in these times, vocal fry inevitably or naturally happens at the end of statements or sentences. But I never really noticed it or heard of "vocal fry" until now. Pretty interesting how they exaggerate it like that..
tbuzz37 1 month ago
But, It's OK that you use them when you switch into "Normal Abby" Hmm, seems to me you glide right into the frys as well.
hey89148 1 month ago
@hey89148 As mentioned many times in this comment section as well as in the video annotations and info box themselves, I'm talking about the *over use* of fry tones in speech patterns. They are natural, but using them TOO MUCH is detrimental, and, frankly, irritating.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago 10
@abbynormal0ne What exactly is detrimental about using vocal fry more than other people do?
sporkbinder2 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne
Define "Too Much"
It is subjective at best, and who made you the final judge and jury of how often you use vocal fry? As stated below, they are not particularly bad for your vocal cords -- so it appears your rant is quite unfounded.
hey89148 1 week ago
@hey89148
Ha ha. You are dead on
babykin8 1 week ago
Hilarious! Thank you Abby. I can finally put a name to the irritation that is - fry tone.
TheVaultofheaven 1 month ago
Tibetan monks do it for years on end in chants. Except they use their chest instead of their throat. A wee bit cooler that way.
NicholasGreen91 1 month ago
@NicholasGreen91 They're also trained to sing that way so they don't damage their throats.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Fry tones are annoying as hell.
connerjd 1 month ago
@connerjd Well, everyone uses them, but the over-use is ridiculously irritating.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne As for myself, I couldn't give a crap about being sophisticated.
connerjd 1 month ago
That's just how we talk up here in Cascadia. It's an actual part of our accent, not a trend/fad. Please do some research on the matter & Google "pacific northwest creaky voice" before showering us with your irritating form of speaking.
TheMrPopovich 1 month ago
@TheMrPopovich I don't care if it's "an actual part of our accent." It's still not a healthy vocalism.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Hi, linguist here.
Actually, it's not particularly bad for your vocal cords. There are many languages that use vocal fry as part of their phonemic system, therefore it's a natural speech production. It used to be classified as a speech disorder when a person used it involuntarily, but that is being rethought. Also, while the trend is making it more obvious, "normal" speakers use a fair amount of it to begin with.
luulapants111 2 months ago 23
Check out your own register at 1:18 and 1:47 where you use it in short "um" and "uh" fillers and at 1:44 in the word "not" where your register fries briefly. Also, you say that it's a learned behavior used to get along with a group...well, pretty much all speech is a learned behavior used to get along with a group. Just because this new trend is irritating to you doesn't mean it isn't a valid speech method. It's just not within your prescriptive speech norm.
luulapants111 2 months ago
@luulapants111 Hi, vocal pedague here. Master of Music in Vocal Pedagogy, to be exact. I even mentioned in the notations of the video that it's naturally occurring. I said the over emphasis on vocal fry is detrimental. I also had been speaking with vocal fry, and because it is a learned behavior, it was stuck in my head. It is detrimental to vocal health because it's poor vocal production. So is weak breath flow and whispering.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@luulapants111 "I also had been speaking with vocal fry," as in the examples in the beginning of the video.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@luulapants111 Tell it, fellow linguist! Fight prejudice with logic.
sporkbinder2 2 months ago
@luulapants111 Voice Teacher here.
While this particular tonal usage is not damaging as used in normal speech, excessive use can prevent singers from being able to access their falsetto and whistle ranges, and can also make it more difficult to switch between voices. Overuse of this particular tone is why the grammy-winner Adele recently had to have surgery on her voice to remove vocal nodes.
cmbroderick 1 week ago
@cmbroderick lots of wrong ideas in here. vocal fry, creeks, crispy sounds etc, are effects added to your vocal mode/technique. it´s not a tone!. it can be used without harming your vocal chords as long as you respect the limitations. For more information and right knowledge about the anatomy of our vocal chords, larynx, support.. I strongly recommend Sadolin´s Complete Vocal Technique/Institute. One of the biggest schools in the world specializing in vocal techniques
ooOOThemOOnbirdOOoo 4 days ago
Lol the voice actor of bea's friend from fish hooks does vocal fry ALOT. Giiiiiiirrrrrlllll.
Junkenfugo 2 months ago
In order to sing in the oktavist range, is vocal fry required? I'm an amateur bass vocalist who is experimenting with singing in the oktavist range and I'm sounding much more natural at it but I'm worried that I'm just creating vocal fry register. If you need an example, I'll be happy to record a video or audio file and post it.
NezbitOfficialBand 2 months ago
@NezbitOfficialBand Vocal fry is a kind of way to cheat to the low notes that some people do, but if you have a natural bass tone and feel comfortable singing that low without strain on your throat/voice, you're probably fine. Many people can confuse very low basses with vocal fry because of the low frequency. Pay attention to your body. If you create vocal fatigue in your singing, try to find a better way to sing or seek an instructor. I'd be happy to watch a video you have uploaded.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne I don't feel fatigued when I do sing it, but the thing is is that I sing it so often that I just wanted to make sure that I'm not doing something damaging to my vocal chords or pretending to do something I'm not. Thanks for the help. - Ian
NezbitOfficialBand 2 months ago
@NezbitOfficialBand It's really hard to know unless I hear it, but if you don't feel like your throat hurts after a normal amount of singing, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It still would be a good idea to find a good vocal instructor or at least a vocal coach to give you a little help. They're invaluable.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@NezbitOfficialBand The way teenagers talk when they're lazy is nothing like the actual vocal technique of vocal fry. One involves collapsing your throat, one involves naturally allowing air to create a node in your chest.
NicholasGreen91 1 month ago
@NicholasGreen91 I take it the first one is the one damaging the voice, right?
NezbitOfficialBand 1 month ago
So true.
arsenelupin123 2 months ago
It's so typical of prescriptivists to see trends in young women's speech as irritating and shallow.
sporkbinder2 2 months ago 2
@sporkbinder2 Yesss thank you! Degrading the speech methods of young women is just another way of saying that you find THEM irritating and shallow and devaluing their role in society! I find it upsetting but not at all surprising that it's a fellow woman doing this.
luulapants111 2 months ago
@sporkbinder2 It's so typical of descriptivists to take every indignity the culture throws at the language and eat it with a smile.
Now that we are done trading insults, did you have a real argument against the original video?
numberonealcove 1 month ago
@numberonealcove How is vocal fry an indignity at all? From a linguistic perspective, there is nothing inherently bad about this trend.
What I said before was a criticism I have against prescriptivism in general. And since it is a viewpoint the original video holds, I was making a "real argument". The speech of young people (especially women) is often met with disdain when it introduces new forms. Those who strive to always uphold proper English fail to see that these changes are natural.
sporkbinder2 1 month ago
Can I rub poop on your vagina?
HairLikeCottonCandy 2 months ago
@HairLikeCottonCandy Excuse me, a gentleman does not broach such a request until at least the sixth date with a woman. You sir, are a cad, a cur, and one not deserving of the attention of anyone with a modicum of self respect. Go rub your poop on some whore's vag, you simpering fool.
CobraJones 2 months ago
Are you a SLP like me? Either way, RIGHT ON SISTAH.
Jess20721 2 months ago
Why has this only been questioned recently? Girls spoke like that when I was in high school (almost 10 years ago).
thenaturalfl7 2 months ago
@thenaturalfl7 I don't know why people are talking about it so much lately, but it's a good subject.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
It's truly sad that we as a Nation have lost most of our regional accents and dialects. Things are so completely homogeneous today...... HOW BORING!
Truly a sign of the times.... Watch the movie "Idiocracy". You'll understand where we're headed.
slicksnewonenow 2 months ago
@slicksnewonenow Heh, yes, I'm aware of that film, ahhaha.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@slicksnewonenow You think we've lost our regional accents? Media is homogenized, but certainly not America. Any sociolinguist will tell you that. If anything, we're becoming more linguistically diverse, just in different ways.
luulapants111 2 months ago
just another sign of the dumbing down of american children, i.e. anyone under the age of 35 LOL
brucewayne909 2 months ago
@brucewayne909 haha, says the guy over 35 using LOL, Laughing out loud at YOU!
masterfuji000 2 months ago
oh god the most "popular" girl at my school totally talks like this I hope that all girls that talk like this lose their voice permanently
223girlbaby 2 months ago
@223girlbaby Aw, I hope they realise she needs to change her vocalisms :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Vocal fry is not new. Just because all the news outlets are calling it a "trend" doesn't make it one. It means they just noticed it. Mark Liberman (an actual linguist) debunks the story over at Language Log.
jessblais 2 months ago
@jessblais No, it's not new. It's just a current trend.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
CBS News linked this video!!!? Awesome!!!
2DRonaldo 2 months ago
@2DRonaldo Yeah, it's pretty crazy :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
I learned something today.
N734NJ 2 months ago
@N734NJ Hey, and knowledge is power!
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
This stuff just reminds me of cali girls... sorry to be sterotypical but thats what I think of when I hear people speaking like that...that and snobby knobs!
Queenofmynamesucks 2 months ago
@Queenofmynamesucks Lol!!! True!
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
...abby I love ya...but I hope you never ever...ever....ever....do this again....the most annoying voice I have ever heard...
legendaryfasteddy 2 months ago
@legendaryfasteddy Lol, I promise...unless it is meant to be funny :D
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
and i will stop wanting to throw poop in your faces
heyitsjailin 2 months ago
Interestingly, you used it at least 2 or 3 times when you weren't exaggerating it.
mbourgon 2 months ago 9
@mbourgon It's a natural part of human speech. My issue is the exaggeration of it.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
OMG, like now every thought I have in my, ya know, head sound like that voice at 0:20. I can't stop it. I'm even talking like thaaaat. And I'm a guy! You've infected me!
RakaTheTenacious 2 months ago
@RakaTheTenacious Hahaha, it's contagious!
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
0:08 pedobear anyone?
pjrg1919 2 months ago
@pjrg1919 O_o
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
This is the "Valley Girl" speech of a decade+ ago...
LaJewel 2 months ago
@LaJewel Haha, a bit, but it's more like "the privileged girl" speech ;)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
LOL, I just can't get enough of this example of "vocal fry" tone. I've watched it 4 times already.
screwsalliemaedebt 2 months ago
@screwsalliemaedebt Hahaha, thanks.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Yes, yes, I thought I discovered this epidemic and someone already heard about it. I'm glad I'm not alone in noticing. I find it irritating to listening to. I like the explanation here.
screwsalliemaedebt 2 months ago
@screwsalliemaedebt Hahaha, it's horrifying :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
oh god.... i fear for america now... i guess i never really noticed it.
beautifulneverending 2 months ago
@beautifulneverending And now you won't be able to stop noticing :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@beautifulneverending You just now fearing for America. What rock have you been hiding under.
connerjd 2 months ago
@connerjd oh, god, no. i've been fearing for america ever since... hmmm....2000, i guess... yeah, y2k.
beautifulneverending 2 months ago
@beautifulneverending Y2k very funny. I fear for America because of it's stupidity. I am not saying all Americans, just the majority is fucked up.
connerjd 2 months ago
@connerjd i agree with you. it's full of dubstep droids talking like idiots, giving our future generations no hope of culuture, integrity, or depth.
beautifulneverending 2 months ago
@beautifulneverending Also, people don't know their history like they should. Like that saying goes, people who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
connerjd 2 months ago
I've noticed this for a while now. At least, now I know I'm not crazy and hearing things.
noremote 2 months ago
@noremote Haha, you definitely have been hearing it.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
i'm american and hate these FUCK HEADS too. no wonder the rest of the world hates us.
ElephantDrunk 2 months ago
@ElephantDrunk I hear you!
connerjd 2 months ago
@ElephantDrunk Awww, I don't think our speech patterns are the impetus for people to hate us...or the only reason.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Do I see Odie the dog on top of the cabinet? lol
AngelaA81410 2 months ago
@AngelaA81410 Lol, yes, I made that when I was 14 :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
I'm partial to the queen's english, thank you, kindly.
silvermist1216 2 months ago 6
@silvermist1216 Speaking English doesn't exclude people from exaggerated use of vocal fry :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
I call it the waitress or stripper voice
silvermist1216 2 months ago
@silvermist1216 Hahaha, fairly accurate.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
There is another epidemic in America, stupidity.
connerjd 2 months ago 12
@connerjd Well, that's not going to stop any time soon.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne Unfortunately, not.
connerjd 2 months ago
My 16 year old daughter totally has vocal fry! Is this the way teenagers talk now???
everdyl 2 months ago
@everdyl A lot of them do. It's the in-thing because a lot of celebs talk that way.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Interesting (vocal creak). I've noticed over use of such vocal techniques occur in groups where girls want to fit in. I wonder if there's a correlation with higher rates of insecurity. In certain groups the cattiness rating is probably higher than normal, similarly to Facebook and chat sessions that become put-down fests of the same members of a group. No one wants to be targeted by bitch attacks. And it seems these vocal registrations are part of a behavior code to avoid being a target.
iamtheartus 2 months ago
@iamtheartus Yes, I know. I was targeted myself.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
What we really need to do is to boost girls' confidence levels. When girls are self-confident, they protect themselves from pain and manipulations by other girls, bullies, no-good boyfriends/ future husbands, idiot parents, insecure teachers, bosses, etc.
It's all about confidence and self-esteem. Learn to recognize your own co-dependence, girls. Stop trying to please other people, and be your MOST self. If you fall down, get back up again, and don't give a hoot what other people think.
LaJewel 2 months ago
@LaJewel While I agree with you, I don't think that devaluing a speech pattern made BY girls FOR girls is going to boost their confidence. The only reason this trend is seen as unintelligent is because the people that use it are perceived as unintelligent.
luulapants111 2 months ago
You're pretty even without makeup.
Thanks for informing me - I read about "Vocal Fry" in an article and had to YouTube it to see what it sounded like. Is it like a new form of a Valley Girl? I know Kim K. kinda does it.
DiverseLA 2 months ago
@DiverseLA The exaggerated use could be considered Valley Girl, I guess, but I've heard it all over. It's usually the more posh-type people.
Thank you, but I'm wearing eyeliner in this vid :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Strangely enough, Stephen Fry on the show 'Room 101' mentioned his hatred of the upward-inflection at the end of sentences ala Buffy-Speak, everything sounds like a question...
ajivins1 2 months ago
@ajivins1 Haha, exactly. It's very irritating.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne -and confusing; "Do you take this man to be your lawfully-wedded husband?" "I do?"
ajivins1 2 months ago
@ajivins1 LMFAO!
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Valley Girl strikes again...welcome back to the 80's...nothing new here...
frequentfiler 2 months ago
OK, this "vocal fry" term is something I just now read about. It's more or less the Valley Girl tone isn't it. Saw this video by random chance. You do a great impression of it by the way. You're also absolutely charming and adorable! My God! heh-heh. Classic woman! Love it. Keep up the great work Abby!
PopeyeCove 2 months ago
@PopeyeCove No, it's a vocalism. Valley Girl is the speech pattern *and* the vocalism. We use vocal fry in speech all the time, but it's the over use or *exaggeration* that causes the vocal problems and irritating voices :) Thanks very much.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne I like, TOTALLY get, like... what you just said... Ah-K? Seriously, though... thanks for clarifying that. I think what you're saying is that vocal fry is more of the attitude associated with the exaggeration. Kind of like an over-cooked ham... it's fried. :) Oh... and ur like, TOTALLY... like, narly!
PopeyeCove 2 months ago
Turns out that this whole thing was kind of blown out of proportion. Everyone uses vocal fry all the time :)
PandyFackleresque 2 months ago
@PandyFackleresque I know. I even said it. It's the exaggerated use that I hate :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne This is why I should only do one thing at a time...
PandyFackleresque 2 months ago
@PandyFackleresque Haha, it's ok. I put it in a little subtitle thingy. I also forgot to mention I put links in the infobox.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
I'll just sit here and make inarticulate grunting noises of approval.
DeathofSpeech 2 months ago
@DeathofSpeech Ug ooga booga ug ug. :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Gee, didn't know this!
connerjd 2 months ago
@connerjd Knowledge is power :)
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
Wow, people do that voice on purpose? Why, just .. why? Oh well, yet another mystery of life I will probably never understand
DeeDemonwitch 2 months ago
@DeeDemonwitch Because its so hot and sexy! I have a Vocal Fry Tone fetish..."like oh my gaawwd!" Mmmm Vocal Fry Tone...sexyness!
Unworshipediety 2 months ago
@Unworshipediety Ah, ummm, errr, well, humm ..... I got nothing
DeeDemonwitch 2 months ago
@DeeDemonwitch They think it makes them sound sophisticated and thoughtful.
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
@abbynormal0ne Hmm, so in other words they have no idea what the words sophisticated or thoughtful actually mean ;)
DeeDemonwitch 2 months ago
@DeeDemonwitch Yes! :D
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
I thought this was gonna be about french fries!! YOU LIED TO ME
Thank science I don't encounter this often. Poop would be everywhere.
cheeekamoomoo 2 months ago
@cheeekamoomoo I don't know if I'd want to eat fried vocal cords.....and I'm very glad I don't encounter people that speak with vocal fry tones either because I don't produce enough.....ammo....
abbynormal0ne 2 months ago
yes, that's annoying
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