It would probably have been better to not bother putting this video up and letting all the people doing this get what they deserve for animal cruelty.
If you go to a reptile expo and decide to buy a venomoid go ahead and ask them to perform a milking on the spot before you buy. If you are a potential customer to drop at least $400 for a venomoid then that shouldn't be a problem for them. And those of you who say it is inhumane, think about the altereatins we do to cats and dogs. We spay, neuter, declaw, crop ears, cut tails, and devocalize and that has been acceptable to the public but devenomizing a snake is not?
Venomoid INC. is a well known distributor and the only distributor who has a licensed and practicing Doctor of Veterinary Medicine to perform the surgery and surgical grade implants(such as breast implants) are inserted to give a natural look on top of the fact that the surgery is performed inside the mouth so visual scarring will not occur. All of their animals come with microchipping of proof of venomoid along with certificates.
Not being a smart ass so don't get pissy, I'm doing a paper and wondering if anyone would find it unethical if people were to genetically remove the venom of snakes to create a new markett for pet snakes
@balamas07 The entire venom apparatus of snakes is quite complicated and involves lots of genes, so I don't think making them genetically 'venomoid' would be possible. Plus, many of the venom toxins are genes originally used for some sort of body function- like proteins in the pancreas, for example. It would be very hard to remove the venom genes and not the ones needed for the snake's other bodily functions. Plus, remember for law enforcement purposes no one could tell if they were modified.
@BlackWing96 We don't know how the surgery was done on these snakes- they came to us after being confiscated. Our point is that people who purchase a venomoid also don't know how the surgery was done.
Very cool. Should show the stupid people on Youtube who walk around with these things on there necks what can happen. Aren't you supposed to have it bite into a rubber film though instead of having its teeth grind against that glass????
@FlawlessRevelation The membrane we normally use is to keep any debris in the snake's mouth out of the venom. Since we were doing this to show that these snakes give venom, we didn't use the membrane - we wanted to be able to see the venom coming out of the fangs.
@ozzybushmannt Its not really a lot, just a few people who like the idea of it for whatever reason- and Australia has one well known venomoid proponent. There is no federal law in the US against keeping venomous, in some states it is illegal but venomoids are not considered harmless in these places- they would still be illegal there. Our video is just meant to show that sometimes the surgery can be done improperly.
@BrokenAndTheBest Fangs grow back. If you are prepared to work with a venomous animal then you should not have the animal. most people that get venomoid snakes just want to show off with their "pet" cobra for you tube or their friends. Respect the animal and leave it the way it is.
@kyreptilezoo Except if it is a dog or cat of course, then feel free to neuter it because you don't want to put up with its undesirable behaviors or go through the effort of containing it properly so it doesn't breed. Or if its a chicken, pig, lamb or other animal you find tasty, feel free to slice off its beak, cut of its tail, and bite its testicles off to castrate it to save time and money. Only snakes should be respected and left the way they are.
kyreptilzoo you don't have any research to back up your view either...A vets opinion is nothing as far as proving one way or the other. Your vet works for you so he/she is first of all bias....you better get a whole lot more professional if you really want to make a claim or demand anyone else provide research. I understand your emotions but they don't help your case. You first must seperate out professionally performed procedures from the backyard procedures.
@lowefly Our vet actually works for us pro bono, so I don't think he is biased by associating with us. In Europe and Australia the practice has ben banned as inhumane- I actually think there may be some legit reasons to do it, such as educating people who live where the snakes do. However, making an animal venomoid just to keep it as a pet is not a legit reason in my book. And you are right, our point is exactly that there is no research on either side.
I like white cars and all people who drive red cars are showing off....about as much sense as saying someone handling their snake is only showing off. If someone respects the snake keeping it is just as wrong as holding the snake in front of a camera....Dogs shows put dogs through a lot of un-needed handling. In my opinion if you don't like the idea of owning a venomoid snake then don't own one, but don't push your views down someone elses throat. Though I'm fascinated by snakes I don't own one.
@lowefly We have answered all the points in below posts. No vet will sign a legal document stating that a venomoid is never going to pose a risk to its owner or others. Venomoids are illegal in all states that ban venomous animals and in states that have permits are treated as if they are still venomous by law. How are we pushing are views? We did not force you to view this view. And state that this is just to show that what you think maybe one thing may not be.
@kyreptilezoo F) Over regulation, forcing your beliefs on others, and spreading myths is wrong. You are just against private pet industry, but the private pet industry has done more for reptiles then any government institution. These animals should be in PRIVATE, not PUBLIC hands. This is America where the individual right trumps the collective good. By siding with the over regulators, and spreading disinformation, you are simply showing your true, communist, colors.
@kyreptilezoo E) This video and all your responses are meant to discourage people from getting venomoids. It also contributes to the higher aim of destroying the reptile trade. By spreading out dated disinformation, you retard the free market. People wanted venomous snakes and the market adapted, but extremist like you are, "mutilating it" by forcing your opinouns on every one else. I love my snake, and did not hurt it in any way by getting it deveonmized, and it is safe.
A) The venomoid Inc guy isn't the only person who does the surgery. I had my snake’s venom glands removed by Smoke Town Animal Hospital in PA. The surgery was performed by Doctor Kerri Cooper. After the follow up visit were we tested the snake to see if it was still producing venom she gave me paper work that guaranteed my snake was no longer producing venom. B) Over 15 states allow venomous reptiles to be kept as pets
Showing that some snakes are supposed to be venomoid but were not is bull crap because when the surgery first came out they only removed the ducts, and not the glands, but some ducts grew back and the snakes were still venomous. The gland doesn't grow back once it is removed, so saying it will is propaganda. You are using old snakes, ones that had the old surgical technique applied, to misrepresent devonmization. Thus you are lieing. Most states let you get permits.
@fbergman30 As we state in the video, these were confiscated animals, so we don't know who did the surgery. However, that is exactly our point- we don't know how this surgery was done, and NEITHER CAN SOMEONE WHO PURCHASES A VENOMOID! The only vet who supposedly does this surgery won't sign something saying the snake is harmless. Why wouldn't he if it truly is? The only state that allows venomoids is NM- why would these animals be confiscated if they were legal?
@kyreptilezoo C) On the Venomoid Inc website the guy guarantee’s that all the snakes are 100% venomoid and the glands won't grow back. D) Devenomizing snakes is not mutilating them; the same way neutering a cat isn't mutilating it. My snake has prosthetic glands, has excellent care, goes to the vet every 6 months and gets shots and checkups, and eats all the time. He is not a depraved, mutilated, object. He looks like a million bucks and all my little cousins and friends enjoy holding him.
I can't believe these morons are still trying to spread the myth that 2/3 of venomoids are still venomous. THE ONLY REASON HAT MYTH IS TRUE IS BECAUSE WHEN THE SURGERY WAS FIRST STARTED THEY ONLY REMOVED THE DUCTS, AND NOT THE GLANDS. THE DUCTS CAN GROW BACK, BUT THE GLANDS CAN'T NOW THEY REMOVE THE DUCTS AND THE GLANDS. IT IS NOT CRUEL MORONS MY SNAKE IS SERVED FOOD NOW WHILE THE STUPID ONES IN THE WILD ARE PROBABLY EATING RATS WITH PARASITES AND DISEASES...THEY CAN KEEP THEIR VENOM GLANDS.
This video is bullshit propaganda from the looney pet extremist who want to demonize owning snakes and teel you how to live your life. All of this crap has been rebuked. They just spew it to fear monger
@tommyblake81 First debuked in what peer reveiwed paper?How does showing that some snakes that were suppose to be venomoid are are not say that someone can or can not keep a snake. By the way almost all states that ban venomous also ban venomoids.
Funny how someone in the venom extraction business has such a intolerance for furthering something that could help make public displays safer for audience and handler and less stressful on the snakes through lack of regular pinning and tong use.
As an animal that is capable of making decisions for myself I would much rather lose my eye teeth and have a sore mouth for a day or two than have my neck violently jammed against the floor every time someone wanted to touch me.
@Chousakan We don't pin or tong snakes for daily handling, just use hooks. There is no need whatsoever to pin a snake except for perhaps a few medical procedures and extraction. If you have a better idea of how to extract without pinning then by all means suggest it- we're open to ideas.
Pinning is not violent unless it is done improperly. I doubt our snakes would eat 5 minutes after being extracted from if they're necks were sore.
@kyreptilezoo Hi...when I was seven years old I handled a (apparently) venemoid cobra. It seemed to be the happiest, healthiest snake I have ever seen! Showed absolutely no sign of aggression whatsoever. He was very old and had been in captivity for a long time...and it was a great experience. It really saddens me to hear that devenomization is wrong because getting that close to the spectacular creature was something I'll never forget. Is it really a bad thing in all cirumstances?
@bullsnake70 There are several cobras here that are very very calm-- I would never trust them, though. Who knows when they may have a bad day? I appreciate that you had a meaningful experiene, but would have it been any less meaningful to a 7 year old child if it were just a nice non-venomous snake of some sort? My personal interest started as a child when i got to hold a calm Burmese, for example.
@kyreptilezoo Nope. For me, I had already held pythons and such, and I was VERY knowledgeable about snakes for my age, so the fact that it was a cobra was extremely thrilling. If it were just a python, it wouldn't have been nearly as memorable. I've been into snakes since age 4.
I am positive that it is not a good idea to own these snakes. I wonder did you test that liquid to make sure it was poisen? I am sure it was but I read on an earlier video that it was just saliva.
Apparently you paid some hack job dude who does it in his garage to remove the venom glands. Its like castration once the balls re gone theyre gone but if they leave jut one ball pregnancy will still happen
We did not pay anyone for these animals they were being kept illegally and were given to us. Most vets will not do the surgery because it is unethical and there has been evidence that reptiles can regenerate . Venom Supplies had a Brown snake regenerate a eye.Even Venomoid Inc. makes customers sign a release form holding them harmless if an accident occurs with a snake they did surgery on.
Okay Understand now how you acquired the poor thing But you mean to tell me that you actually think that this specie can regenerate body parts? I can understand if the gland was not completely removed or not removed at all and still sold as a venomoid. But regenerating glands in this snake is impossible. I know that you can't get a true guarantee on venomoid and think people should just leave them be. But that dont change the fact that it will never happen. The exotic pet trade is too big.
Its ok. Regeneration is probably very very rare, but see our comment above about a snake regenerating an eye. Sometimes animals don't follow the rules and suprise us. I would guess that in the snakes shown here the glands were not completely removed- but our point is that this surgery has not really been studied, and we don't know if the snakes can regenerate or not. Agreed about the size of the trade!
That is something. people need to stay away. If you cant handle a hot snake dont get one. You are right there is no sure procedure and the guy with a knife is merely guessing at removal. its sad really
@kyreptilezoo Big props for taking in what others would consider butchered animals. Venomoids didn't ask to be altered (or in this case, even attempted to be) and need homes, too. :-(
If you can't handle a venomous snake the way nature intended it to be, then keep non-venomous snakes! Don't mutilate a snake just because you want to own a 'cool' animal. That's cruel, selfish, and, as shown here, stupid!
i state this because i want to own venomous snakes. i will own ones with venom glands, but wouldn't mind starting off getting a feel for them as venomoids. i would provide them excellent care, yet you guys would just seem to hate on me. if a person chooses to own a venomoid, then i believe they have that right (knowing state laws of course). i know you guys are very experienced individuals, but the idea of saying venomoid snakes should be banned is unfair and elitist.
We don't 'hate on' anyone. When you venomoid a snake, you are mutilating it for your own wants. We just find that disrespectful to the snake. Sure the snake may survive, but there are no studies on how many survive vs. how many die. We're not saying they all die- but there is no real data. Most US vets consider it mutilation and won't do it.
@Biotaman1 What do you think of adopting a venomoid that was abandoned or needed to be taken from the original owner instead of asking someone to do it to a new snake? I'm sure there are some available as not every zoo can take a new snake on a whim..
@KawaiiKemonomimi I think in some instances that is fine-- it is what we did, after all- otherwise these snakes would have been euthanized. It is important to remember that being venomous does not make the owner exempt in jurisdictions where venomous are illegal.
with all due respect, you guys give the venomoid scene too much of a bad name. its only bad when the surgery was done poorly. there are some legit companies dealing with venomoid snakes such as Venomoid inc. (obviously you know) and yes i do find the information on their site well stated. i think this concept that a snake is in so much misery and despair is exaggerated. Under captive conditions (which venomoids are meant) the snake can survive without them with proper care.
Our point is that even Venomoid Inc won't guarantee that the snake is not dangerous, yet many people treat them as if they are harmless after surgery. Our point is that venomous is venomous regardless of surgical procedure.
a venomoid that gives venom is simply the result of bad surgery hence why this video shows that owning a venomoid is risky business as you cannot always guarantee 100% that you will be "safe" handling the animal. I have to admit there are a few venomous snakes I would technically enjoy having as part of my collection but I resist the urge and simply deal with hog island boas and other non lethal snakes
I'm very glad you posted this video. I'm quite tired of people keeping venomous snakes for the purpose of "looking cool." As a fellow animal enthusiast, I firmly believe that freehandling is just a lame way to compensate for whatever it is that people lack, such as self-esteem. Freehandling doesn't make you look cool at all. People who keep venomous species should be doing so for the sake of respect and research as well as education.
Why is it okay to "mutilate" a cat or dog to make it a better pet, but not a snake?
People could get their cats/dogs vasectomies/tubal ligations, which are less painful and have less of a chance for complications, but virtually no one does because they want to alter their natural behavior.
I'm not trying to start a fight and I don't ever plan to have any venomous snakes, but I just don't see why one practice is seen as horribly cruel and the other perfectly fine.
I think you have a valid point there. One difference I would point out, just for the sake of discussion, is that dogs and cats are truly domesticated, while by most definitions snakes are not.
There are also many many non-venomous snakes available that are good pets and need no alterations to be one.
You could also make the argument that spaying and neutering are truly for the sake of the animal. Not only are you decreasing the number of unwanted pets that live horrible lives on the streets, the animals may have less stress in their lives from the surgery. IE two males living together will be less territorial.
I very strongly disagree with venomoid. Its very dramtic on the snake and impacts the snakes digestion process. People I know personally have had these and are handling in a very unsafe manner. This type of surgery should be outlawed.
well until venomoid surgery advances it can be hazardous.. this is pretty new stuff.. however very effective implants have been performed by removing the gland/organ and replacing it with a silicone or other substance ... kind of like breast implants...
its physically impossible if the silicone is placed right but i agree if all of the organ is not removed it is very possible... my idiot friend has been bitten by his cobra many of many times over a succession of 7 years.. just gotta check with a live rat he suggests... but nice video i completley agree with "if you can't handle a venomous snake then don't buy or handle a venomous snake"
Really interesting Video - so 66% of shakes still produce venom post surgery and may have other feeding / enzyme problems through mutilated glands - surely there is a case for making this illegal and prosecuting vets who carry this out.
it is wrong to venomoid! if u can look after a venemous snake dont have 1. u should let i be in the wild dont take away its venom just coz u are afraid. If u are afraid u should not look after the snake!!
We're just not going to see eye to eye on this one. Yes, holding it (a venomous snake- venomoid or not) in your HANDS in front of the camera is showing off. There's no point in you doing it at all. If you just wanted people to see the snake you wouldn't hold it. I suppose we should be glad you aren't kissing it- but its all degrees of the same thing.
after i check my voids to make sure they are voided i do free handle, call that showing off, i call that a privelage i get to have for paying the extra and getting it voided,
I do not show off, i was not holding it hooded trying to kiss it as many do on youtube, what did i do to show off???? hold it in front of the camera???? holy crap thats totally showing off!
Freehandling a snake that appears venomous is showing off. Whats the differance in holding a cobra or kissing it not alot if its venomous or just appears to be.
I personally dont have a problem with the sugery. What my problem is as stated above people see these videos and assume ALL hot keepers treat them like regular snakes.
You say you have other snakes that are hot i beleive crotalus and bitis, Why dont you post some videos showing handle them because all we see is this young guy freehandling what appears to be one of the most hot cobras there is. Also I would like to take a quote from Venomoid Inc., "We strongly encourage you to treat your venomoid as you would a venomous snake. We suggest the use of hooks and lock-boxes for handling the animal, and the use of long tongs for feeding."
i will not free handle hots, just wont, as for the quote, he has snakes he voided years ago that still dont produce venom, he is the best of the best, simple as that! and they say that because a bite can result in a painfull infection, ty for your concern and multiple post's
what i did was not irresponsible, now me free handleing my bitis, or crotalus, which is fully loaded, thats irresponsible, i trust jeremy , to do a damn good job at what he does!! and IF done correctly they will NEVER grow back... ty
1. Please stop using any swear words or we will just block you.
2. It is irresponsible because you are giving a bad name to people who keep venomous because they appreciate the animal, not because they want to show off with it. Irresponsible in the sense of the broader herp community. You probably never even consider that, I know.
3. Maybe your snake's glands will never regenerate, maybe they will. The point is there is no scientific evidence either way regarding venomoids.
omertalover it is not responsable because as the video shows "voided" snakes CAN still have the potential to inject venom! in the end dead is dead... see you in the papers man
Actually, both our cats have all their claws- and they don't claw the furniture. We just don't agree with altering an animal for such a reason. With snakes, there is not a fullproof way to ensure that the snake is truly incapable of giving venom. There has also been no study to show the snake was as healthy after the surgery as it was before it.
I'm not going to go on a rant aabout cruelty o n the venomoid surugery. All i can say is imho is if you are even considering this surgery or considering a venomoid you really should think about another choice of snake as your are obviously not confident enough in caring for a species that is venomous
you bet your ass i keep venomous also, but i like to freehandle and im not that stupid to free handle a hot.... so voiding is the best way for me to go with some snakes
You are showing your lack of education no usage of bad words allowed on my site. Omertalover you are only about yourself and not the animals.Showing off is no reason to have an animal.
LOOK, The first sign an animal is in pain/discomfort, is it will not breed , both me and jeremy have breed venomoids, trust me on this one, it does not harm the snake, and saying that shows your ignorance in lack of reasearch of the venomoiding process
Have you published your research. There is no research backing up that surgery does not cause pain to the animal. Surgery should only be done to save an animals life. Not so you can freehandle an animal for your ego. I have a vet on staff and he states that it is unethical to alter an animal just so you can play with it. There is no research backing any claim that venomoids are safe for animal or handler.
Ok you choose to have venomoids because you "But i like to freehandle". Clearly there is nothing more i can say you want to handle a snake that appears venomous for what reason hmm. i think all us responsible keepers can draw our conclusions
i do like to freehandle, but how does that constitute me not being responsible??? not your talking out your ass because u dont agree with the surgery...
Freehandling is only for showing off. This does not show a respect for the animal. That shows that you are not responsible enough to maintain the animals they are not toys. The public and law makers view these videos and think all keepers are reckless show offs.Don't let your ego effect those that keep animals responsibly.Showing off is a fools idea of glory.
I think that snakes should be left as God made them! The venomoid practice should end - it's barbaric and cruel. If you can't handle snakes the way they're meant to be, then don't handle them at all!!!
devenomized: So what Veterinary school taught the folks at Venomoid, Inc how to perform this barbaric surgery? I seriously doubt any accredited and responsible veterinary school would teach this procedure.
It's also not too surprising that their company is incorporated. That protects their personal assets from lawsuits should their guarantee prove untrustworthy.
correction: it is NOT recommended to handle venomois due to the potential risks associated with their bites; however, a venomoid cannot produce or inject venom.
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On this video, you are looking at venomous snakes where either a mistake was made during a surgical procedure or since we are looking a Elapids, only the venom ducts were removed and due to reparative regrowth, these animals were able to inject venom.
Yes, you are right that quite likely the surgery was done poorly or improperly in some way. However, that is exactly our point. There is no way to look at a snake and tell whether or not it is capable of injecting venom. We are also unaware of any vet who will vouch that an animal they have operated on is 100% incapable of injecting venom.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I agree with the objective behind uploading the video 100%. As far as the statement regarding any vet who will vouch that a their venomoids cannot inject venom, I have the following quote:
"We remove the entire venom apparatus [adenectomy & ductectomy], including the gland, rendering the snake non-venomous for the rest of its life." - Venomoid, Inc.
"The venom gland of vipers and elapid snakes is an encapsulated organ that cannot grow back once removed. If devenomization surgery is done improperly, and the entire venom apparatus is not removed, it may be possible for a snake to produce venom again. We remove the entire venom apparatus, including the gland, rendering the snake non-venomous for the rest of its life." -Venomoid, Inc
A venomoid is a venomous snake that has been surgically altered by removing venom ducts and venom glands. A full ductectomy and a full adenectomy when done by an experienced and licensed DVM will render the snake non-venomous. Reparative regrowth is not an issue if and only if a full adenectomy is done on the animal. However, as shown in this vide, it is recommended to handle venomoids as if they were venomous snakes because their bites could be harmful.
You might need stitches, but a bigger risk is infection, which is always a risk with any animal bite. Big fangs can push bacteria pretty deep into you and it would be like a puncture wound, very susceptible to infection.
A great value to the herp comunity. Too many times I have heard people promoting venomoids and regardless of what they are told they believe the surgeries to be solid (always saying if its done by a qualified vet).
As you stated, treat the venomoids as venomous, and if thats what you are doing, whats the point of putting the animal through the potentially life threatening surgery.
Thank You so much for this video. It's nice to know these snakes are in good hands now. I despise people who would do something like this to a snake. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!!
Welcome back to youtube. I've been hoping to see more videos from the two of you at KRZ. Excellent choice of subjects. I wish every quack doing venemoid surgery was out of business. I keep hoping for some massive malpractice lawsuits to make the risk vs. return ratio too high to comptemplate risking this barbaric practice. Based on this demo, maybe that will happen sooner than later. Keep up the good work, KRZ!
Nice demo! Always treat a firearm and venomoids as if they were loaded.
Question comes to mind though not about venomoids but milking proceedure. Milking multipule specimens using the same glass funnel can potientally spread disease. Please comment on your experience of this being a problem or not. It's just that their mouths, like ours is a rather dirty place.
Al, for animals that are established groups we have not had a problem transferring disease- we do change the membrane when it gets used up. This is the main reason we quarantine so extensively- so we can be as sure as possible that production groups consist only of healthy animals. When we have something questionable, we change the membrane after each snake and sometimes even change the glassware between them. The glassware itself is autoclaved between uses.
if someone really wants a harmless reptile, why not get a corn snake instead?? what's the point in getting a venomous snake, and mutilate it. and as we saw, it necessarily doesn't give the wanted result anyway..
It would probably have been better to not bother putting this video up and letting all the people doing this get what they deserve for animal cruelty.
MaskFac3 2 weeks ago
If you go to a reptile expo and decide to buy a venomoid go ahead and ask them to perform a milking on the spot before you buy. If you are a potential customer to drop at least $400 for a venomoid then that shouldn't be a problem for them. And those of you who say it is inhumane, think about the altereatins we do to cats and dogs. We spay, neuter, declaw, crop ears, cut tails, and devocalize and that has been acceptable to the public but devenomizing a snake is not?
JamesC808 3 months ago
Venomoid INC. is a well known distributor and the only distributor who has a licensed and practicing Doctor of Veterinary Medicine to perform the surgery and surgical grade implants(such as breast implants) are inserted to give a natural look on top of the fact that the surgery is performed inside the mouth so visual scarring will not occur. All of their animals come with microchipping of proof of venomoid along with certificates.
JamesC808 3 months ago
Not being a smart ass so don't get pissy, I'm doing a paper and wondering if anyone would find it unethical if people were to genetically remove the venom of snakes to create a new markett for pet snakes
balamas07 3 months ago
@balamas07 The entire venom apparatus of snakes is quite complicated and involves lots of genes, so I don't think making them genetically 'venomoid' would be possible. Plus, many of the venom toxins are genes originally used for some sort of body function- like proteins in the pancreas, for example. It would be very hard to remove the venom genes and not the ones needed for the snake's other bodily functions. Plus, remember for law enforcement purposes no one could tell if they were modified.
kyreptilezoo 3 months ago
@kyreptilezoo No I wasn't concerned if it was possible but more focused on how people felt ethically about genetic alteration
balamas07 3 months ago
@kyreptilezoo Hey how about stitching their venom ducts closed similar to a vasectomy?
AntiKipKay 3 months ago
is the tubing also removed are just the glands? cause apparently the tubing dosent grow back
BlackWing96 11 months ago 2
@BlackWing96 We don't know how the surgery was done on these snakes- they came to us after being confiscated. Our point is that people who purchase a venomoid also don't know how the surgery was done.
kyreptilezoo 11 months ago
Very cool. Should show the stupid people on Youtube who walk around with these things on there necks what can happen. Aren't you supposed to have it bite into a rubber film though instead of having its teeth grind against that glass????
FlawlessRevelation 1 year ago
@FlawlessRevelation The membrane we normally use is to keep any debris in the snake's mouth out of the venom. Since we were doing this to show that these snakes give venom, we didn't use the membrane - we wanted to be able to see the venom coming out of the fangs.
kyreptilezoo 11 months ago
it seems alot of people in the us have venomoid why is it the law or u just to scared to to hold a real snake
ozzybushmannt 1 year ago
@ozzybushmannt Its not really a lot, just a few people who like the idea of it for whatever reason- and Australia has one well known venomoid proponent. There is no federal law in the US against keeping venomous, in some states it is illegal but venomoids are not considered harmless in these places- they would still be illegal there. Our video is just meant to show that sometimes the surgery can be done improperly.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
wut if u defang him
BrokenAndTheBest 1 year ago
@BrokenAndTheBest Fangs grow back. If you are prepared to work with a venomous animal then you should not have the animal. most people that get venomoid snakes just want to show off with their "pet" cobra for you tube or their friends. Respect the animal and leave it the way it is.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Except if it is a dog or cat of course, then feel free to neuter it because you don't want to put up with its undesirable behaviors or go through the effort of containing it properly so it doesn't breed. Or if its a chicken, pig, lamb or other animal you find tasty, feel free to slice off its beak, cut of its tail, and bite its testicles off to castrate it to save time and money. Only snakes should be respected and left the way they are.
Fleefles 1 year ago
kyreptilzoo you don't have any research to back up your view either...A vets opinion is nothing as far as proving one way or the other. Your vet works for you so he/she is first of all bias....you better get a whole lot more professional if you really want to make a claim or demand anyone else provide research. I understand your emotions but they don't help your case. You first must seperate out professionally performed procedures from the backyard procedures.
lowefly 1 year ago
@lowefly Our vet actually works for us pro bono, so I don't think he is biased by associating with us. In Europe and Australia the practice has ben banned as inhumane- I actually think there may be some legit reasons to do it, such as educating people who live where the snakes do. However, making an animal venomoid just to keep it as a pet is not a legit reason in my book. And you are right, our point is exactly that there is no research on either side.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
I like white cars and all people who drive red cars are showing off....about as much sense as saying someone handling their snake is only showing off. If someone respects the snake keeping it is just as wrong as holding the snake in front of a camera....Dogs shows put dogs through a lot of un-needed handling. In my opinion if you don't like the idea of owning a venomoid snake then don't own one, but don't push your views down someone elses throat. Though I'm fascinated by snakes I don't own one.
lowefly 1 year ago
@lowefly We have answered all the points in below posts. No vet will sign a legal document stating that a venomoid is never going to pose a risk to its owner or others. Venomoids are illegal in all states that ban venomous animals and in states that have permits are treated as if they are still venomous by law. How are we pushing are views? We did not force you to view this view. And state that this is just to show that what you think maybe one thing may not be.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo F) Over regulation, forcing your beliefs on others, and spreading myths is wrong. You are just against private pet industry, but the private pet industry has done more for reptiles then any government institution. These animals should be in PRIVATE, not PUBLIC hands. This is America where the individual right trumps the collective good. By siding with the over regulators, and spreading disinformation, you are simply showing your true, communist, colors.
fbergman30 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo E) This video and all your responses are meant to discourage people from getting venomoids. It also contributes to the higher aim of destroying the reptile trade. By spreading out dated disinformation, you retard the free market. People wanted venomous snakes and the market adapted, but extremist like you are, "mutilating it" by forcing your opinouns on every one else. I love my snake, and did not hurt it in any way by getting it deveonmized, and it is safe.
fbergman30 1 year ago
A) The venomoid Inc guy isn't the only person who does the surgery. I had my snake’s venom glands removed by Smoke Town Animal Hospital in PA. The surgery was performed by Doctor Kerri Cooper. After the follow up visit were we tested the snake to see if it was still producing venom she gave me paper work that guaranteed my snake was no longer producing venom. B) Over 15 states allow venomous reptiles to be kept as pets
fbergman30 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo
Showing that some snakes are supposed to be venomoid but were not is bull crap because when the surgery first came out they only removed the ducts, and not the glands, but some ducts grew back and the snakes were still venomous. The gland doesn't grow back once it is removed, so saying it will is propaganda. You are using old snakes, ones that had the old surgical technique applied, to misrepresent devonmization. Thus you are lieing. Most states let you get permits.
fbergman30 1 year ago
@fbergman30 As we state in the video, these were confiscated animals, so we don't know who did the surgery. However, that is exactly our point- we don't know how this surgery was done, and NEITHER CAN SOMEONE WHO PURCHASES A VENOMOID! The only vet who supposedly does this surgery won't sign something saying the snake is harmless. Why wouldn't he if it truly is? The only state that allows venomoids is NM- why would these animals be confiscated if they were legal?
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo C) On the Venomoid Inc website the guy guarantee’s that all the snakes are 100% venomoid and the glands won't grow back. D) Devenomizing snakes is not mutilating them; the same way neutering a cat isn't mutilating it. My snake has prosthetic glands, has excellent care, goes to the vet every 6 months and gets shots and checkups, and eats all the time. He is not a depraved, mutilated, object. He looks like a million bucks and all my little cousins and friends enjoy holding him.
fbergman30 1 year ago
I can't believe these morons are still trying to spread the myth that 2/3 of venomoids are still venomous. THE ONLY REASON HAT MYTH IS TRUE IS BECAUSE WHEN THE SURGERY WAS FIRST STARTED THEY ONLY REMOVED THE DUCTS, AND NOT THE GLANDS. THE DUCTS CAN GROW BACK, BUT THE GLANDS CAN'T NOW THEY REMOVE THE DUCTS AND THE GLANDS. IT IS NOT CRUEL MORONS MY SNAKE IS SERVED FOOD NOW WHILE THE STUPID ONES IN THE WILD ARE PROBABLY EATING RATS WITH PARASITES AND DISEASES...THEY CAN KEEP THEIR VENOM GLANDS.
fbergman30 1 year ago
The arrogance of humans... we think we can do what we want to with consequence.
importdude458 1 year ago
@importdude458 um do you mean withOUT consequence? lol....
azgrem 1 year ago
This video is bullshit propaganda from the looney pet extremist who want to demonize owning snakes and teel you how to live your life. All of this crap has been rebuked. They just spew it to fear monger
tommyblake81 1 year ago
@tommyblake81 First debuked in what peer reveiwed paper?How does showing that some snakes that were suppose to be venomoid are are not say that someone can or can not keep a snake. By the way almost all states that ban venomous also ban venomoids.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
Funny how someone in the venom extraction business has such a intolerance for furthering something that could help make public displays safer for audience and handler and less stressful on the snakes through lack of regular pinning and tong use.
As an animal that is capable of making decisions for myself I would much rather lose my eye teeth and have a sore mouth for a day or two than have my neck violently jammed against the floor every time someone wanted to touch me.
Not for pets though!!!
Chousakan 1 year ago
@Chousakan We don't pin or tong snakes for daily handling, just use hooks. There is no need whatsoever to pin a snake except for perhaps a few medical procedures and extraction. If you have a better idea of how to extract without pinning then by all means suggest it- we're open to ideas.
Pinning is not violent unless it is done improperly. I doubt our snakes would eat 5 minutes after being extracted from if they're necks were sore.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Hi...when I was seven years old I handled a (apparently) venemoid cobra. It seemed to be the happiest, healthiest snake I have ever seen! Showed absolutely no sign of aggression whatsoever. He was very old and had been in captivity for a long time...and it was a great experience. It really saddens me to hear that devenomization is wrong because getting that close to the spectacular creature was something I'll never forget. Is it really a bad thing in all cirumstances?
bullsnake70 1 year ago
@bullsnake70 There are several cobras here that are very very calm-- I would never trust them, though. Who knows when they may have a bad day? I appreciate that you had a meaningful experiene, but would have it been any less meaningful to a 7 year old child if it were just a nice non-venomous snake of some sort? My personal interest started as a child when i got to hold a calm Burmese, for example.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Nope. For me, I had already held pythons and such, and I was VERY knowledgeable about snakes for my age, so the fact that it was a cobra was extremely thrilling. If it were just a python, it wouldn't have been nearly as memorable. I've been into snakes since age 4.
bullsnake70 1 year ago
I am positive that it is not a good idea to own these snakes. I wonder did you test that liquid to make sure it was poisen? I am sure it was but I read on an earlier video that it was just saliva.
tubbymanbat 1 year ago
@tubbymanbat What you see in this video is confirmed as venom. I can't speak for other videos, just ours.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Thank you for responding so quickly
tubbymanbat 1 year ago
Why can't I post a comment?
new2snakes 1 year ago
That first one is beautiful! Is it one of your favorites? It would be mine!
new2snakes 1 year ago
Apparently you paid some hack job dude who does it in his garage to remove the venom glands. Its like castration once the balls re gone theyre gone but if they leave jut one ball pregnancy will still happen
Sithisnight 1 year ago
We did not pay anyone for these animals they were being kept illegally and were given to us. Most vets will not do the surgery because it is unethical and there has been evidence that reptiles can regenerate . Venom Supplies had a Brown snake regenerate a eye.Even Venomoid Inc. makes customers sign a release form holding them harmless if an accident occurs with a snake they did surgery on.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
Okay Understand now how you acquired the poor thing But you mean to tell me that you actually think that this specie can regenerate body parts? I can understand if the gland was not completely removed or not removed at all and still sold as a venomoid. But regenerating glands in this snake is impossible. I know that you can't get a true guarantee on venomoid and think people should just leave them be. But that dont change the fact that it will never happen. The exotic pet trade is too big.
Sithisnight 1 year ago
Sorry for the rude comment earlier. Did not realize you were actually helping.
Sithisnight 1 year ago
Its ok. Regeneration is probably very very rare, but see our comment above about a snake regenerating an eye. Sometimes animals don't follow the rules and suprise us. I would guess that in the snakes shown here the glands were not completely removed- but our point is that this surgery has not really been studied, and we don't know if the snakes can regenerate or not. Agreed about the size of the trade!
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
That is something. people need to stay away. If you cant handle a hot snake dont get one. You are right there is no sure procedure and the guy with a knife is merely guessing at removal. its sad really
Sithisnight 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Big props for taking in what others would consider butchered animals. Venomoids didn't ask to be altered (or in this case, even attempted to be) and need homes, too. :-(
KawaiiKemonomimi 1 year ago
did u get them from venomoid inc
MrReptilez 2 years ago
They are not from Venomoid Inc. as far as we know. They were all being kept illegally and sent here by law enforcement.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
If you can't handle a venomous snake the way nature intended it to be, then keep non-venomous snakes! Don't mutilate a snake just because you want to own a 'cool' animal. That's cruel, selfish, and, as shown here, stupid!
heart4herps 2 years ago
i state this because i want to own venomous snakes. i will own ones with venom glands, but wouldn't mind starting off getting a feel for them as venomoids. i would provide them excellent care, yet you guys would just seem to hate on me. if a person chooses to own a venomoid, then i believe they have that right (knowing state laws of course). i know you guys are very experienced individuals, but the idea of saying venomoid snakes should be banned is unfair and elitist.
Biotaman1 2 years ago
We don't 'hate on' anyone. When you venomoid a snake, you are mutilating it for your own wants. We just find that disrespectful to the snake. Sure the snake may survive, but there are no studies on how many survive vs. how many die. We're not saying they all die- but there is no real data. Most US vets consider it mutilation and won't do it.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
You are right I think the mortality rate is huge in venomoids.
Sithisnight 1 year ago
The best way to get a feel for venomoids is get some wild caught corn snakes. They can bee mean and behave like some of these species
Sithisnight 1 year ago
@Biotaman1 What do you think of adopting a venomoid that was abandoned or needed to be taken from the original owner instead of asking someone to do it to a new snake? I'm sure there are some available as not every zoo can take a new snake on a whim..
KawaiiKemonomimi 1 year ago
@KawaiiKemonomimi I think in some instances that is fine-- it is what we did, after all- otherwise these snakes would have been euthanized. It is important to remember that being venomous does not make the owner exempt in jurisdictions where venomous are illegal.
kyreptilezoo 1 year ago
@kyreptilezoo Yeah, Biotaman said he wanted a venomoid though.
KawaiiKemonomimi 1 year ago
with all due respect, you guys give the venomoid scene too much of a bad name. its only bad when the surgery was done poorly. there are some legit companies dealing with venomoid snakes such as Venomoid inc. (obviously you know) and yes i do find the information on their site well stated. i think this concept that a snake is in so much misery and despair is exaggerated. Under captive conditions (which venomoids are meant) the snake can survive without them with proper care.
Biotaman1 2 years ago
Our point is that even Venomoid Inc won't guarantee that the snake is not dangerous, yet many people treat them as if they are harmless after surgery. Our point is that venomous is venomous regardless of surgical procedure.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
Venomoid scene a bad name? You're a moron.
wat720 2 years ago
a venomoid that gives venom is simply the result of bad surgery hence why this video shows that owning a venomoid is risky business as you cannot always guarantee 100% that you will be "safe" handling the animal. I have to admit there are a few venomous snakes I would technically enjoy having as part of my collection but I resist the urge and simply deal with hog island boas and other non lethal snakes
Philminator 2 years ago
I'm very glad you posted this video. I'm quite tired of people keeping venomous snakes for the purpose of "looking cool." As a fellow animal enthusiast, I firmly believe that freehandling is just a lame way to compensate for whatever it is that people lack, such as self-esteem. Freehandling doesn't make you look cool at all. People who keep venomous species should be doing so for the sake of respect and research as well as education.
Saihitei7 2 years ago
Well stated.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
Why is it okay to "mutilate" a cat or dog to make it a better pet, but not a snake?
People could get their cats/dogs vasectomies/tubal ligations, which are less painful and have less of a chance for complications, but virtually no one does because they want to alter their natural behavior.
I'm not trying to start a fight and I don't ever plan to have any venomous snakes, but I just don't see why one practice is seen as horribly cruel and the other perfectly fine.
Fleefles 2 years ago
I think you have a valid point there. One difference I would point out, just for the sake of discussion, is that dogs and cats are truly domesticated, while by most definitions snakes are not.
There are also many many non-venomous snakes available that are good pets and need no alterations to be one.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
You could also make the argument that spaying and neutering are truly for the sake of the animal. Not only are you decreasing the number of unwanted pets that live horrible lives on the streets, the animals may have less stress in their lives from the surgery. IE two males living together will be less territorial.
maarakailet1 2 years ago
Its awful the way they mutilate these snakes. I dont care about any retort i get from anyone. These animals should be left alone.
jondesbrow 2 years ago 2
I very strongly disagree with venomoid. Its very dramtic on the snake and impacts the snakes digestion process. People I know personally have had these and are handling in a very unsafe manner. This type of surgery should be outlawed.
tristen101 2 years ago 8
IT NOT GOD FOR COBRA
Rogersalaslopez 2 years ago 2
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Yoko761 2 years ago
well until venomoid surgery advances it can be hazardous.. this is pretty new stuff.. however very effective implants have been performed by removing the gland/organ and replacing it with a silicone or other substance ... kind of like breast implants...
MatthewPhelpsHERP 2 years ago
Not that new been around over 20 plus years. One of the snakes that gave venom had implants.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
its physically impossible if the silicone is placed right but i agree if all of the organ is not removed it is very possible... my idiot friend has been bitten by his cobra many of many times over a succession of 7 years.. just gotta check with a live rat he suggests... but nice video i completley agree with "if you can't handle a venomous snake then don't buy or handle a venomous snake"
MatthewPhelpsHERP 2 years ago
Really interesting Video - so 66% of shakes still produce venom post surgery and may have other feeding / enzyme problems through mutilated glands - surely there is a case for making this illegal and prosecuting vets who carry this out.
armandin2048 2 years ago
Well- this is a small sample and we wouldn't call it scientific- more of a cautionary tale. We don't support venomoids.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
This doesn't hurt the snake at all?
mike101bc 2 years ago
the surgery does lots of damage. but milking, no
gnarley123321 2 years ago
gnarley is correct. Extraction or milking is somewhat stressful to the snake, but does not hurt it. The venomoid surgery is harmful in our opinion.
kyreptilezoo 2 years ago
it is wrong to venomoid! if u can look after a venemous snake dont have 1. u should let i be in the wild dont take away its venom just coz u are afraid. If u are afraid u should not look after the snake!!
weakty 2 years ago
Say NO to venomoid!
lordabomity 3 years ago 15
if you want a cobra and you dont have anuf experaince to keep from being bitten mean you cant suit its hapitat needs ps my spelling sucks
slashrocks1980 3 years ago 2
i was just bitten by a venomoid cobra exactly like the one in the vid. Thank God nothin' happened, just blood.
rolybrako 3 years ago
I had a venomoid. And it was NOT free of venom. Dont believe what everyone says about the surgery.
GrandDragonKlansman 3 years ago
nice mono cobra
gnarley123321 3 years ago
was the first snake a lucistic cobra?
loveerbot11 3 years ago
Albino.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
she is the 2nd snake right?
GrandDragonKlansman 3 years ago
yes.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
We're just not going to see eye to eye on this one. Yes, holding it (a venomous snake- venomoid or not) in your HANDS in front of the camera is showing off. There's no point in you doing it at all. If you just wanted people to see the snake you wouldn't hold it. I suppose we should be glad you aren't kissing it- but its all degrees of the same thing.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
after i check my voids to make sure they are voided i do free handle, call that showing off, i call that a privelage i get to have for paying the extra and getting it voided,
omertalover 3 years ago
Yep, we just don't agree on this one. You are the reason venomoids exist.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
Again how do you check your venomoid animals and where have you and your vet published your research backing up your statements?
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
I do not show off, i was not holding it hooded trying to kiss it as many do on youtube, what did i do to show off???? hold it in front of the camera???? holy crap thats totally showing off!
omertalover 3 years ago
Freehandling a snake that appears venomous is showing off. Whats the differance in holding a cobra or kissing it not alot if its venomous or just appears to be.
jstnknaup 3 years ago
I personally dont have a problem with the sugery. What my problem is as stated above people see these videos and assume ALL hot keepers treat them like regular snakes.
jstnknaup 3 years ago
You say you have other snakes that are hot i beleive crotalus and bitis, Why dont you post some videos showing handle them because all we see is this young guy freehandling what appears to be one of the most hot cobras there is. Also I would like to take a quote from Venomoid Inc., "We strongly encourage you to treat your venomoid as you would a venomous snake. We suggest the use of hooks and lock-boxes for handling the animal, and the use of long tongs for feeding."
jstnknaup 3 years ago
i will not free handle hots, just wont, as for the quote, he has snakes he voided years ago that still dont produce venom, he is the best of the best, simple as that! and they say that because a bite can result in a painfull infection, ty for your concern and multiple post's
omertalover 3 years ago
So venomoid inc puts off the message I like be responsible and you are not its not only doing them a disservice but all reptile enthusiasts.
jstnknaup 3 years ago
what i did was not irresponsible, now me free handleing my bitis, or crotalus, which is fully loaded, thats irresponsible, i trust jeremy , to do a damn good job at what he does!! and IF done correctly they will NEVER grow back... ty
omertalover 3 years ago
1. Please stop using any swear words or we will just block you.
2. It is irresponsible because you are giving a bad name to people who keep venomous because they appreciate the animal, not because they want to show off with it. Irresponsible in the sense of the broader herp community. You probably never even consider that, I know.
3. Maybe your snake's glands will never regenerate, maybe they will. The point is there is no scientific evidence either way regarding venomoids.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
omertalover it is not responsable because as the video shows "voided" snakes CAN still have the potential to inject venom! in the end dead is dead... see you in the papers man
buckeyehognose 3 years ago
Just another point- if it is illegal to own venomous snakes where you live, venomoids are illegal also.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
think about it this way.. you declaw your cat for your furniture's protection.. i devenomize my snakes for my protection..
omertalover 3 years ago
Actually, both our cats have all their claws- and they don't claw the furniture. We just don't agree with altering an animal for such a reason. With snakes, there is not a fullproof way to ensure that the snake is truly incapable of giving venom. There has also been no study to show the snake was as healthy after the surgery as it was before it.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
I'm not going to go on a rant aabout cruelty o n the venomoid surugery. All i can say is imho is if you are even considering this surgery or considering a venomoid you really should think about another choice of snake as your are obviously not confident enough in caring for a species that is venomous
jstnknaup 3 years ago
you bet your ass i keep venomous also, but i like to freehandle and im not that stupid to free handle a hot.... so voiding is the best way for me to go with some snakes
omertalover 3 years ago
You are showing your lack of education no usage of bad words allowed on my site. Omertalover you are only about yourself and not the animals.Showing off is no reason to have an animal.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
LOOK, The first sign an animal is in pain/discomfort, is it will not breed , both me and jeremy have breed venomoids, trust me on this one, it does not harm the snake, and saying that shows your ignorance in lack of reasearch of the venomoiding process
omertalover 3 years ago
Have you published your research. There is no research backing up that surgery does not cause pain to the animal. Surgery should only be done to save an animals life. Not so you can freehandle an animal for your ego. I have a vet on staff and he states that it is unethical to alter an animal just so you can play with it. There is no research backing any claim that venomoids are safe for animal or handler.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
Ok you choose to have venomoids because you "But i like to freehandle". Clearly there is nothing more i can say you want to handle a snake that appears venomous for what reason hmm. i think all us responsible keepers can draw our conclusions
jstnknaup 3 years ago
i do like to freehandle, but how does that constitute me not being responsible??? not your talking out your ass because u dont agree with the surgery...
omertalover 3 years ago
Freehandling is only for showing off. This does not show a respect for the animal. That shows that you are not responsible enough to maintain the animals they are not toys. The public and law makers view these videos and think all keepers are reckless show offs.Don't let your ego effect those that keep animals responsibly.Showing off is a fools idea of glory.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
I think that snakes should be left as God made them! The venomoid practice should end - it's barbaric and cruel. If you can't handle snakes the way they're meant to be, then don't handle them at all!!!
heart4herps 3 years ago 2
devenomized: So what Veterinary school taught the folks at Venomoid, Inc how to perform this barbaric surgery? I seriously doubt any accredited and responsible veterinary school would teach this procedure.
It's also not too surprising that their company is incorporated. That protects their personal assets from lawsuits should their guarantee prove untrustworthy.
SamwiseOT 3 years ago
correction: it is NOT recommended to handle venomois due to the potential risks associated with their bites; however, a venomoid cannot produce or inject venom.
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On this video, you are looking at venomous snakes where either a mistake was made during a surgical procedure or since we are looking a Elapids, only the venom ducts were removed and due to reparative regrowth, these animals were able to inject venom.
Therefore, these snakes are NOT venomoids
devenomized 3 years ago
Yes, you are right that quite likely the surgery was done poorly or improperly in some way. However, that is exactly our point. There is no way to look at a snake and tell whether or not it is capable of injecting venom. We are also unaware of any vet who will vouch that an animal they have operated on is 100% incapable of injecting venom.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I agree with the objective behind uploading the video 100%. As far as the statement regarding any vet who will vouch that a their venomoids cannot inject venom, I have the following quote:
"We remove the entire venom apparatus [adenectomy & ductectomy], including the gland, rendering the snake non-venomous for the rest of its life." - Venomoid, Inc.
devenomized 3 years ago
"The venom gland of vipers and elapid snakes is an encapsulated organ that cannot grow back once removed. If devenomization surgery is done improperly, and the entire venom apparatus is not removed, it may be possible for a snake to produce venom again. We remove the entire venom apparatus, including the gland, rendering the snake non-venomous for the rest of its life." -Venomoid, Inc
devenomized 3 years ago
A venomoid is a venomous snake that has been surgically altered by removing venom ducts and venom glands. A full ductectomy and a full adenectomy when done by an experienced and licensed DVM will render the snake non-venomous. Reparative regrowth is not an issue if and only if a full adenectomy is done on the animal. However, as shown in this vide, it is recommended to handle venomoids as if they were venomous snakes because their bites could be harmful.
devenomized 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing. It's really problem for people, who belive that they devenomed snakes are 100% safe. It's not true and Your movie show it.
no3lgrzegorz 3 years ago
I'm glad venomoids aren't 100% harmless; maybe less people will be so quick to disfigure their snakes.
Luka
lukapetrasinovic 3 years ago
scary to say the least.
interesting findings.
christophermchale 3 years ago
Thanks for the comments so far, everyone!
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
I got a question....The Gaboon Viper has big fangs. Even if you got them Venomoid would their bite cause you to have to get stitches?
reptile202 3 years ago
You might need stitches, but a bigger risk is infection, which is always a risk with any animal bite. Big fangs can push bacteria pretty deep into you and it would be like a puncture wound, very susceptible to infection.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
Thanks for your help. I always wanted one, but the fear of them having a deadly venom, along these big fangs, worried me.
reptile202 3 years ago
Thanks for the education on venomoid snakes, krz!!!! Frank
frankarduino 3 years ago
A great value to the herp comunity. Too many times I have heard people promoting venomoids and regardless of what they are told they believe the surgeries to be solid (always saying if its done by a qualified vet).
As you stated, treat the venomoids as venomous, and if thats what you are doing, whats the point of putting the animal through the potentially life threatening surgery.
Chris Law
qualitybredreptiles 3 years ago
Thank You so much for this video. It's nice to know these snakes are in good hands now. I despise people who would do something like this to a snake. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!!
atwageman 3 years ago
Show this video to everyone you know, hopefully we can save some innocent lives. Oh, and maybe a few people too. :)
om3gadagg3r 3 years ago
Welcome back to youtube. I've been hoping to see more videos from the two of you at KRZ. Excellent choice of subjects. I wish every quack doing venemoid surgery was out of business. I keep hoping for some massive malpractice lawsuits to make the risk vs. return ratio too high to comptemplate risking this barbaric practice. Based on this demo, maybe that will happen sooner than later. Keep up the good work, KRZ!
SamwiseOT 3 years ago
I have always been of the opinion that venomoid snakes were a bad idea. I would say that it is no longer an opinion. It is a FACT!
chimpkin 3 years ago
Nice demo! Always treat a firearm and venomoids as if they were loaded.
Question comes to mind though not about venomoids but milking proceedure. Milking multipule specimens using the same glass funnel can potientally spread disease. Please comment on your experience of this being a problem or not. It's just that their mouths, like ours is a rather dirty place.
viperkeeper 3 years ago
Al, for animals that are established groups we have not had a problem transferring disease- we do change the membrane when it gets used up. This is the main reason we quarantine so extensively- so we can be as sure as possible that production groups consist only of healthy animals. When we have something questionable, we change the membrane after each snake and sometimes even change the glassware between them. The glassware itself is autoclaved between uses.
kyreptilezoo 3 years ago
This is a very important video. You guys are awesome. Thanks so much. Keep up your awesome research and work.
garyorner 3 years ago
if someone really wants a harmless reptile, why not get a corn snake instead?? what's the point in getting a venomous snake, and mutilate it. and as we saw, it necessarily doesn't give the wanted result anyway..
chelseapensioner 3 years ago
Excellent video! Definitely some information that people can use and need to know!
wtmolinejr 3 years ago
venomoid surgery really upsets me,i mean its essentially maiming the reptile for your own personal benefit,extremely selfish.
Tokay18 3 years ago 3
Great video. I know someone who really needs to see it.
SAsgarters 3 years ago
sweet vid 5/5
killajuggaloz5 3 years ago