wtf!!!!!!!!!!! medivet is brill i did work experience there and all of the vets and nurses loved the animals! (i must say tho this was recorded at medivet hendon and when i was watching a procedure the vets were like i dont want to go to hendon its horrible, the people are bitches) Medivet watford has some of the most caring and friendly staff you could ever meet... do not judge the whole compony for 1 surgery
@adzereastonfan i did work experience at a medivet they only grab cats like that when there grumpy little gits who would scratch the crap out of a vet.
She thinks she's a vet. Panorama chose to show a couple of examples of a vet not supporting the cat whilst it was being scruffed. the program said itself that there was NO animal cruelty. the scruffing technique WAS acceptable. All the PROFESSIONAL opinion to be voiced on these discussions agreed with this. Only self proclaimed professionals like mishka think otherwise. anyway, as she's incapable of letting anyone else have the last word, i'm sure she'll have a response. it will probably be rude
I'm not arguing here just to get that out of the way, i did my work experience at Medivet. When animals are sick some will become aggressive because they do not understand their situation, an example scruffing (meaning holding the skin on the back of the neck as shown in the video) because you could be bitten etc. I have experienced aggressive cats and the only choices are to leave them to calm down but scruffing is painless and gives the vets time to look after other animals in the practice.
@LornaJahn - yes, scruffing a cat is a method of restraint but it only works when done properly. for example, scruffing a cat and holding it mid-air for any length of time is NOT ACCEPTABLE and causes discomfort - the cats get angry thus defeating the object which is to restrain and calm them down! you are supposed to support the weight of the animal with your free hand unless you are making a quick transfer between cages. to do otherwise is bad animal handling, not many vets would be impressed.
It is a shame that there is a very high probability that the good people in this practice will suffer for the bad people, but isn't that always the way in life in general?, that the good suffer because of the bad in many different ways.
This should be a lesson to everybody that bad people in any profession or even in life in general should not be tolerated.
Don't be angry at the people that exposed you, be angry at the bad people that made it essential for you to be exposed.
And that,I guess, is the end of that. but B4 we go, we hope you enjoyed the Punch and Judy show. Brought to U by Randburg Productions. I'd just like 2 thank some dear friends 4 making this possible: PaulJohnson1967,Pauljohnson196710 and PauljohsonI967, Mishka1305, CAtisAfine(4 being the biggest prick here),Jonnyknuckles & molecularmadness 4 an excellent flamewar, &all the real people who actually commented, But most of all, the lady who made it all possible, the tiny axgirl herself, Johnblack019
Smudge hunny, please dont respond to this idiot, he's a troll and want to upset you. If you respond more, he'll try to annoy you more. that's how these people ge their kicks
@aCATisAfineTOO yeah thought i'd add my two penneth, thats quite a convenient notion you have there considering you just so happen to belong to the species that you think is more important, youre gonna have to come up with something a little more convincing than that if you want to be taken seriously ;) Plus what are you doing about anything apart from whining?
ah, poor little smudge-ums. You know people are starving in this world. People like you make me sick. okay, its a shame your bloody cat died, get over it. why can't you do something more constructive, like value people above bloody animals!
@Gurliewurlie Thank you but cuteychick is right. just ignore him or he'll keep coming back. Also, violence does not solve anything. truth should be our weapon, or we become as bad as those we seek to oppose
I remember when my cat was very sick. we had a great vet. we really didn't want to say goodbye, but she convinced us that poor smudge was suffering. i cried so much, alsmot as much as when my nan died, but in the end we agreed. the vet came to our house and didn't charge a call out fee. Smudge went to heaven surrounded by her family. th vet said, that she thinks animals know when its time to go and sort of give permission. vets can be so wonderful, its just a shame a few can give a bad name
I almost turned off after the first ten minutes, i hate to watch animals suffereing and i couldn't take any more, but i thought i'd better stick it out. the worst thing was the bad vet, who wanted to make that poor greyhound suffer by going thru loads of unnecessary tests and stuff. just to make some money. the kindest thing is to know when to let an animal go, but he just wanted to milk it for money, shame on him!
I mean who really gives a shit about any of this. You may think I'm some sort of dumb troll but i just think this is a waste of time when there is more important shit going on
i just popped in to wind you all up, it's so easy! carry on sobbing and opening your lame sock accounts. btw, love the weak pauljohnson clone, he visited me talking brokeback shite, i think his outburst was designed to shock. nah, i LMFAO and marked it as "spam". i'm going to send a couple of big macho gay men to his door to show him just how puny these lads are .... not! he needs to learn some respect, the ignoramus! okay, i'm done here, happy trolling! :DDDD
OK, great. Check out the insight, arrows next to the views, interest has waned. This is yesterday's news. The graphs have plateau-ed. So let's move on
@sockpuppetist - you are another infantile, time-wasting troll. it is not over, it's only just begun! look around the internet, ask medivet how many clients they are losing? LMFAO!!! most decent people wouldn't touch them with a bargepole! as for sillagrrrl - she's appropriately named but kind to herself, "stupidmutt" would have been more appropriate. carry on puking up your bile, it's lonely here and nobody is interested, we're elsewhere ;) BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Anyway, now that the animal rights brigade have moved in, this is all becoming a bit pointless and the posts are becoming more shrill and ridiculous. The reasoned debate has died off, as have the new posters. It's just becoming a forum for idiots. I have no control over the medivet vids, or the BBCPanorama one, which I suspect is not official (image quality is too low)but I can shut down my message boards. Which I'll do tonight. Insight tells me this is no longer a hot topic anyway.I got honours
Hey Rat fans! It's me again. I'm not banned from this thread or the panorama one, so I can say what I like. Mishka, i had a dog called miska. it got old and ugly, so i throttled it. but it was a fine too. molotov, you are hilarious, all of you, i've read the shit you writte on your channels. you are old ugly women, who don't get enough cock an so have ten cats. you smell of cat piss and have alot of hate inside. the funnyiest bit is when you threaten to beat people up on the internets. fucktards
@aCATisAfineTOO - you poor troll, you're losing your tiny mind. bragging about killing your dog and hurling insults at other users is all very amusing. who's dancing now? i dine on tough internet trolls, correction: single-celled amoeba's, such as you. LOL yeah, we're all old, ugly women ... yadda yadda ... take your medication and go lie down, i'm sure your head hurts by now. what are you going to do next? CAPS LOCK us to death? *shivers with fear*
they showed them as being money grabbing and trying to milk the customer. this was blantantly not true, you could see it clearly but thats not how panorama operates. Another red herring was the whole blood bank thing. I'm not sure what they were trying to prove but they didn't raise a single issue of concern regarding this. And yet they try to portray medvet of being dishonest somehow. When the company said they ran the business at a loss, it demolished this. but mud sticks
This program was a load of bollocks. Except for him hitting the dog and one dodgy vet, there was nothing that serious. Great efforts were made to paint the whole company in a bad light. What made me laugh most was they way they showed a vet trying help a customer financially by splitting their animals diabetes claim between three cheques. Insurance companies are right slippery fuckers and always try to get out of paying. The vet is trying to help the client but this is not shown. Instead
and there is much more to this scandal than "scruffing" a cat! what's more, it's obvious that some here have different standards when it comes to animal handling and care! be FIRM BUT GENTLE! it often looks worse than it is but what was shown here, all around, is a DISGRACE!!! i would NOT tolerate any animal being roughly handled or abused in my presence, it is unnecessary! people need to remain calm when nursing animals, many don't and it further stresses the patient.
Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
Any mistreatment of animals by humans is wrong. Period. The ones who do it know it too...deep down they know they will pay for it ALL. Unless they reverse it. Now.
@1221solstice2012 Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
@gavsky23. Your comment on the other thread seemed balanced and reasonable and , though I disagree with you, you strike me as a reasonable person. That's why I ask you reasonably to please remove your last post. I have had to remove comments from my threads that revealed personal details of people and I've seen threats to hack saw peoples hands off. Whatever your feelings, no matter how strong, do the right thing and delette your post.
One can only hope that Aaron Newvell is never allowed to work with animals again. The fact that he treated a frightened dog, obviously in pain, in the way that he did, means he isn't suitable for a career in veterinary nursing. There is a certain type of person who rapidly seems to forget that the animals in their care are sentient creatures, or doesn't care. We have seen similar behaviour in marts, labs, abattoirs, on farms etc. by such people. Thankfully they are a minority.
@gavsky23 - are you saying that the so-called "nurse" who had that poor post-op dog by the throat (the shar pei who had breathing difficulties and was in pain OBVIOUSLY cos he'd just had a leg amputated!) the one he proceeded to punch in the head .... AND this is the same PROMOTED NURSE (now HEAD NURSE) who told an earlier feline patient that he would "enjoy stabbing the little shit" goes by the name of AARON NEWVELL? please confirm, i am very VERY interested!
and .... if i found out that a vet or nurse to whom i had paid a bloody fortune had mistreated my animals in any way, i'd have knocked his block off!!! animals do get scared at the vets, that's why they need firm but gentle handling. you do NOT grab a dog by the throat, esp when it's having breathing difficulties! no wonder the poor soul was terrified! the vet anaesthetising the cat was incompetent, she should have been monitored, the "nurse" was an idiot! also,Aaron the brute needs a slap!
@aCATisAfineTOO - silly troll, i'm not going to argue with a nutter like you! save it for somebody who cares ..... byeeeee - btw, i'm a nurse with v high standards! now kiss my arse toots!
and .... if i found out that a vet or nurse to whom i had paid a bloody fortune had mistreated my animals in any way, i'd have knocked his block off!!! animals do get scared at the vets, that's why they need firm but gentle handling. you do NOT grab a dog by the throat, esp when it's having breathing difficulties! no wonder the poor soul was terrified! the vet anaesthetising the cat was incompetent, she should have been monitored, the "nurse" was an idiot! also,Aaron the brute needs a slap!
If you so-called "nurses" do not have a problem with what was exposed in this video then you should not be doing the job! the treatment of animals by this group was nothing short of disgraceful! i have worked in a vet's, the whole industry needs proper regulation by the RCVS, self-regulation does not work. i have witnessed animals being slapped and punched in the head by one vet. i PHYSICALLY stopped him! on the whole, our vets and nurses were very competent and caring but there are bad apples
@mishka1305 Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
If you so-called "nurses" do not have a problem with what was exposed in this video then you should not be doing the job! the treatment of animals by this group was nothing short of disgraceful! i have worked in a vet's, the whole industry needs proper regulation by the RCVS, self-regulation does not work. i have witnessed animals being slapped and punched in the head by one vet. i PHYSICALLY stopped him! on the whole, our vets and nurses were very competent and caring but there are bad apples
I thought it was a nice touch from Arnie at the end. Draining blood back into the bag! He pays his trainees peanuts, yet he’s doing very nicely thank you. The business model is so wrong, immoral and represents a company that has now been exposed. It’s not the hard working vets and nurses that should take any blame, it’s the culture driven from the top.
@johnblack0019 . And yet it will be the hard working vets and nurses who suffer. The guy at the top will continue to drive around in his merc, he'll have a million less when he retires but he'll be ok. the young teenage nurses who lose their jobs, and the dedicated vets who have worked so hard and invested in their business, will suffer.
@MegaNurse321 Or....the young nurses coming through will be better trained, won’t have to pay for their own courses, will end up being better looked after and as a result the animals will get better care.
@johnblack0019 . you seem to know alot about the companies practices, do you work 4 them. Also the costs would then go up, so prices will have to rise. you can't have cheap costs and better service!
@MegaNurse321 I do not hate Medivet, that emotion doesn’t fit with me. All I can say is this story germinated a few years ago. The company’s business model is underpinned by paying junior staff minimum wages, with maximum responsibilities to generated larger profits. Their duties (the trainees) outweigh their experience, their pay is based around the minimum wage and as a result the animal’s welfare is put at risk. This also puts extra pressure on the vets and nurses.
@johnblack0019 You don't hate medivet? Don't make you laugh, youhave been gloating and stirring for days. Come on, answer the question! What's your beef? Did the rip you off? Or mistreat your pet? or pass you over for promotion. Your interest in them can't have developed in isolation without contact. You must have a story to tell. Change some of the details but let us know your perspective, where you are coming from. I promise I will believe you and not make fun of you.
@johnblack0019 Hi tiny ax woman! Did you sleep well? Good. So how's going? Now, in your last post, you said you were not an ex-employee. I'll take your word for it. I have two questions. You obviously don't have to answer them, it's your choice. But your fans need to know. A) Are you a disgruntled ex-customer, and B) you are a woman, aren't you?
@johnblack0019 Of course I care tiny ax woman, you are very important to me. You're special! So you didn't work for them, you weren't a customer. So you must work for panorama. But no, i don't think that's true. So what is it? What's your beef? I appreciate you don't want to give your identity away, fair enough, but can you give us an idea of why you hate this company so much? I think your many fans have a right to know.
I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE AND I AM GOING TO BE CLEAR! HOLDING AN ANIMAL BY THE SCRUFF OF THEY NECK IS NOT ABUSE!! THIS IS A WAY TO RESTRAIN A PARTICULARLY VICIOUS ANIMAL. WHEN WORKING AS A NURSE U ARE ALWAYS TOLD TO TRY THE GENTELEST APPROACH AT FIRST. THERE ARE SOME ANIMALS WHO ARE CALM ENOUGH TO SIMPLY TIP THEIR HEAD TO TAKE BLOODS WITHOUT PROBLEMS. ON OTHER CASES U NEED TO HAVE A TIGHTER GRIP AND BE FIRMER OTHERWISE U WILL BE BITTEN!! i cannot stress this point enough!!!!!
@starraven278 . I totally agree. Scruffing a cat is often best practice. Though some issues were raised with this company, most of panorama's case was exaggerated ad hyped. An hour long program was not justified, they could have raised the issue in a half hour. The dodgy vet was interesting and disturbing but he has already been struck off, so the industry's self regulation works. The other issues were minor in comparision. Unfortunately, the public will react emotionally as usual.
@MegaNurse321 these are select cases at herndon which in my personal oppinion is a horrible place to work at. the company on a whole isnt that bad. any big company people will have problems with but on a whole i have seen alot of vets at medivet who go out of their way to make sure everything is done to satisfy a client. if a client is genuinely struggling most of the medivet vets will go out of their way to do anything they can for them
@MegaNurse321 i didnt actually mean to write that comment in caps at all i just knocked the button by accident. and i dont think its right to just lift by the scruff of the neck because it will cause some discomfort without support. im just annoyed at people that say thAT say scruffing an animal at all is wrong.
if u dont scruff an animal you cant be expacted to take bloods or anything without having ur fingers taken off. i know the vet that was struck off and they were right to do that.
@starraven278 - when scruffing an adult cat, you are supposed to put your other hand under it's rear end to take the weight. it is NOT an appropriate way to hold an angry cat, it causes discomfort and the feline becomes even more enraged! the only time you can get away with not supporting the weight is when you are quickly transferring from one place to another, i.e. cage to cage. i've worked with ferals, i don't walk around dangling them in mid-air - they'd take my face off!
a lesson in how NOT to handle a cat - watch this nasty, callous medivet - he'll show you! as for anaesthetics, i wouldn't let these cowboys dispense a worming tablet to my animals let alone anaesthetise them! that so-called newly-qualified "vet" was also incompetent! i'd rather have the nurses i worked with knock my animals out, they were far more competent, this was a total fuck-up all round! A DISGRACE!!!
Look, I won't try to make out it's all rosy but what essentially was shown. A vet who struck off, five are a year, and a nurse who lost it and slapped a dog. The vet resigned and the nurse was reprimanded. Where's the story?
i've viewed the programme. i worked as a nurse, NOT ONCE did i ever display such a callous attitude as displayed by your staff! they were ignorant, incompetent and quite brutal at times! one of your vets should be investigated by the RSPCA as should "aaron"! you are a disgrace!
They definitely padded the program out. What about the interview with the farm vet, who said trust was impratant. I bet they tried to get this 'james herriot' type (incidentally they plaed the theme tune) to rubbish the compnay. did he? did he bollocks
This is utterly horrific, it seems to be the new trainee nurses that have a very crude and alarming attitude towards the animals. However I think one of the vets Kfir Segev shown in this clip was simply restraining a particularly viscous cat.
@adsthepman - yes, the cat probably was angry cos he was frightened. so would YOU if you were being treated as no more than a bloody "vicious" animal! the client was also paying through the nose for his/her animal to be abused! the RSPCA should be contacted and Kfir Segev prosecuted! animals need gentle care and understanding or they do not get better and will only become harder to treat.
The problem all you Medivet employees have (It’s so obvious Medivet are behind all these clips and comments) is the audience on here is tiny. No one cares what you all think. The problem you’re going to have, no matter how many films, comments or swipes you take at me, is that Panorama will reach out to millions, as will the tabloids. Give it up, take it on the chin, learn the lessons this experience is giving you – that’s my advice.
@johnblack0019 give it a rest tiny ax woman! You're like a broken record. I've read the Daily mail stuff, again really biased but I can see there have been instances of something dodgy going on. I mean regarding the guy who was struck off. That sounds likes serious professional malpractice, but every single other issue sounds trivial, especially as 'Alex' was there for 9 months.On that issue they may have a case to answer, but everything else is hyped up.
Buy the Daily Mail. A double page spread about Medivet and its corrupt practices with a front page lead too. Which means it will be picked up by the Evening Standard and other rags tomorrow.
If Im your outlet for all the frustration this must be causing that’s fine, BBC Panorama and the Daily Mail – surely they can’t all be wrong?
All I know is what I see, read and hear. BBC Breakfast News clearly showed fraudulent practice had occurred and a dog got hit around the head for no reason whatsoever. Whatever anyone says, this is completely unacceptable behaviour. Call me what you like, label away but the truth is out there and I won’t be the only one watching the programme tonight!
@johnblack0019 . OK, i've put the video clip on the bbc panorama site on youtube. search 'panorama vet' and you should see it. i've but my biased opinions on it in annotations, but it's the only chance they get so why not. Tiny ax woman, put that in your pipe and smoke it!
i tried to add the link, because i think it best to have the widest possible debate. regarding the charges, i'll admit, i am again not in a position to judge, again we need a non-interested and qualified third party to make a judgment on that. 2K is a lot of money, but if that's what it costs, and medivet are not making excessive profits, fair enough. even tiny-ax woman would have to agree with that
Why did we just get reaction shots of the owners being upset at seeing their animal in distress. Why not an independant qualified professional giving their response? If a third party vet was shown saying this was cruel, i'd accept that as a serious issue. but just showing the owners is sensationalist
well, i didn't think the restraint used was bad at all. i don't think the nurse putting her arm around the dog's neck was bad at all, even if he had breathing difficulties. the fact all the other staff were really busy was also to be expected. the only issue i had was whether a trainee nurse should be inserting a catheter. I'll admit i'm not an expert, can anyone give guidance? this does raise another significant issue, however...
OK, youtube didn''t let me put the dubyadubyadubya beebeecee part at the beinging, but if you type that youself, infront of what i just posted, you'll get the relevant beeb iplayer link, unless i'm wrong and there is another one. next post, my reaction
Yes, i've just watched it on iplayer, i didn't think it was that bad, though i was concerned whether or not inserting a catheter is something a junior nurse should be doing. i'll try to post the link in my next post
Did anyone see the interview on BBC1 Breakfast News? Showed animal cruelty and fraudulent mischarging of a client - Big Medivet sign in the background. How do you all answer that? I guess you'll resort to a couple of 'one off' incidents but this was a 3 minute interview from a 1 hour long programme. Wonder how much more will be revealed tonight?
My family and I have been clients of Medivet for over 15 years now, I understand that the programme has not been shown yet and therefore I cannot comment on the whole of it, however from what I have seen from the above clip I do not find this cruel just a way of restraining and yes I am a pet owner and animal lover.
Sorry superliamking, i didn't intend to interupt your flow. When you post it sometimes looks like it didn't work, so you post again and then Youtube thinks you are a spammer, which is why you got mixed up. anyway, I'm glad to hear the little fella pulled through, what was his name?
@sillagrrrl . OK, sorry. Anyway, as you said, to an outside observer it would look like he was being mistreated. I guess panorama know that they need sensationalist images to get attention. British people are by nature animal lovers, so they will naturally be distraught at scenes of animal distress. Unfortunately panorama's advert shows it totally out of context
I have a 13 year old Jack Russell who 2 years ago almost died, had it not been for the fast acting Medivet team and their exceptionally persistent professional work I would not have him with me today. I was also allowed entry to see him pretty much 24hrs of the day.
He also has to have his toenails cut on a regular basis, he has to be muzzled as he can be very vicious towards the vet (and me) again he has to be restrained and once even messed on the consulting table...again I am sure if this was being filmed it would have been misconstrued, I could just imagine the headline "13 year old Jack Russell restrained so tightly by the Medivet team that he even messed himself"
Guys, someone has been posting as me, on the 1.28 message board. they are using a username "pauljohnson1967100", so it's similar enough to mine to be a blatant attempt at identity theft. I was enjoying this debate, but i don't want to part of anything where people are smeared. I will bow out gracefully. Just please be aware that anless it's my username, it's not me. Happy now panorama?
@pauljohnson1967 . as I said on the other message board. This is not the work of Panorama, Paul. They wouldn't bother to manipulate youtube message boards, all they care about is their program. the culprit is obviously JohnBlack, who must be a female ex-employee (the name JohnBlack -blacksmith-johnsmith-is obviously too masculine). She is disgruntled with medivet, maybe with some good reason, but still has friends in the company, so she doesn't want to reveal her identity.
@pauljohnson1967 . So when she was rumbled as a sock puppet, she started trying to steal you identity by opening another account with a similar name. She obvisuly has a big problem and an ax to grind. I suggest we refer to her as 'tiny-ax woman' from now on, to avoid confusion
i work at a vets, and personally i think this is a load of shit. if an animal is being hostile towards the vet, then there is no other option than to restrain it, whether that is physical or sedation. the animal doesn't get hurt, a little wound up prehaps.
@candygurlxx Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
I also agree that, ignoring the sensationalism of someone picking a cat up by the back of the neck, and the engineering of stories, there are certainly issues that can be raised by this program. I'll keep stum until then and, like you say, watch the program with an open mind. though i admit i'm biased
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My comments are for the world wide web not a group of people who either work for, or have friend and family there. Keep talking amongst yourselves ladies and gents, 2 million plus viewers are about to see what really goes on!
@johnblack0019 . 4 minutes. That's how long it took you to take the debate back to sock puppets. Please Cyno32 and others, do not turn this into a slanging match about whether johnback is real or not. Lets stay on topic, about panorama, and what is acceptable veterinary practice. If you want to discuss the identy of posters, you are really on a hiding to nothing. And John...oh I give up.
@pauljohnson1967 Hi Paul. I think you are right. I'm sorry if I helped steer the conversation into the realms of irrelevancy. I promise I'll play nice. Probably best if I lurk instead of posting. What do you say John, truce?
so if someone says something nasty about an owner, or makes a joke around the body of a dead cat, yes it would be horrible for the owner to see, but who of us doesn't act differently behind closed doors? Aside from that, the restraint techniques looked fine. Ulitmately we wont know until we see the program, I'll keep an open mind myself, and (if you'll excuse me mixing metaphors, a large pinch of salt!
To be honest I was most interested in the comments at the begining of this discussion, about what are acceptable restraint techniques and behaviour behind closed doors. Alot of my friends are surgeons(human) and they can have a very warped sense of humour. The stories they tell about what goes on in theatre, make me think there would be a bigger scandle if they were secretly filmed. I was in the forces and I found that we used humour to deal with difficult situations. I imagine vets are the same
OK, i think you guys have made your point. but even though John Black may be a 'sock puppet' , and i agree that reduces her credibility, but does she not raise some points? OK, i am the first one to say panorama is not above sensationalism and creating stories, but is there a serious problem within the veterinary industry that needs to be addressed? Lets keep the debate on this topic and just ignore the sockpuppets and the issue of whether they are a sock puppet
@pauljohnson1967 - yes, the vet industry seriously needs to be looked at. i have witnessed one particular vet who used to PUNCH and SLAP animals on the head!!! no, i did NOT stand and watch. i grabbed the animal and told him to smack ME or i put myself in between him and the victim and told him to take his best shot! most vets and nurses i worked with were caring and competent but there are a few bad apples. some trainees are too young & immature, they do not understand how serious the job is.
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‘Sock Puppet’ 'loser' 'busted' this pack mentality is making me laugh - I'm sure one if you is a board member!
This isn't about individual hard working nurses and vets, it's about a company called Medivet who mistreat a system including their own staff! Come Friday it will all change. What goes around comes around eh!
@johnblack0019 OK 'John'. You opened your account yesterday. You hate medivet but seem particularly annoyed by the way they treat their staff. Simple deduction would show you are a disgruntled ex-emploee with an axe to grind. However, you want to obscure your identity. This is called, in internet parlance, being a sock puppet. It's a serious blow to your argument because it shows you do not have the courage to use your real youtube account. You have an agenda.
@johnblack0019 . And then you accuse the people posting, who all have real accounts, of being members of the medivet board. Most telling is your final sentence. "What goes around comes around eh!". If that is not the statement of an agrieved party, i don't know what is. Please, grind your axe somewhere else!
@johnblack0019 ...and you only opened your account today. you are a sock puppet. and if you don't know what that means, go away and learn. i am a fan of medivet, i make no pretence otherwise, but this account i use is real. i' didn't just create it to have a dig at hardworking professionals under the cover of a fake name. if people have any doubt, just click on 'his' username, you'll see when 'he' opened his account specifically to rubbish medivet. you loser!
@johnblack0019 . in contrast to that, click on the usernames of all the other people who posted. you'll see they have all had their acounts for at least a few months, and not just a day, and they have posted videos and use their accounts, unlike you. who don't exist except as a cypher created to rubbish hard working people. again, you got busted you loser!
@johnblack0019 You got Busted!!!! So you are either a) someone who works for panorama, b) someone who works for a rival vets or c) a crazy dog owner with an axe to grind against this company. hilarious! good work cyno32!
wtf!!!!!!!!!!! medivet is brill i did work experience there and all of the vets and nurses loved the animals! (i must say tho this was recorded at medivet hendon and when i was watching a procedure the vets were like i dont want to go to hendon its horrible, the people are bitches) Medivet watford has some of the most caring and friendly staff you could ever meet... do not judge the whole compony for 1 surgery
xRandomJODIEx 9 months ago
is there somewhere I can view this whole program online? I can't form an opinion about it unless i watch the whole thing.
JbobsFunnyFarm 11 months ago
This technique actually calms the cat down, for the saftey of the vet and the cat!
adzereastonfan 1 year ago
@adzereastonfan i did work experience at a medivet they only grab cats like that when there grumpy little gits who would scratch the crap out of a vet.
xRandomJODIEx 9 months ago
She thinks she's a vet. Panorama chose to show a couple of examples of a vet not supporting the cat whilst it was being scruffed. the program said itself that there was NO animal cruelty. the scruffing technique WAS acceptable. All the PROFESSIONAL opinion to be voiced on these discussions agreed with this. Only self proclaimed professionals like mishka think otherwise. anyway, as she's incapable of letting anyone else have the last word, i'm sure she'll have a response. it will probably be rude
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineToo Why do you think you are badass with a keyboard you wouldn't say this to anyones face so shut the fudge up
pagzz100 1 year ago
I'm not arguing here just to get that out of the way, i did my work experience at Medivet. When animals are sick some will become aggressive because they do not understand their situation, an example scruffing (meaning holding the skin on the back of the neck as shown in the video) because you could be bitten etc. I have experienced aggressive cats and the only choices are to leave them to calm down but scruffing is painless and gives the vets time to look after other animals in the practice.
LornaJahn 1 year ago
@LornaJahn - yes, scruffing a cat is a method of restraint but it only works when done properly. for example, scruffing a cat and holding it mid-air for any length of time is NOT ACCEPTABLE and causes discomfort - the cats get angry thus defeating the object which is to restrain and calm them down! you are supposed to support the weight of the animal with your free hand unless you are making a quick transfer between cages. to do otherwise is bad animal handling, not many vets would be impressed.
mishka1305 1 year ago
It is a shame that there is a very high probability that the good people in this practice will suffer for the bad people, but isn't that always the way in life in general?, that the good suffer because of the bad in many different ways.
This should be a lesson to everybody that bad people in any profession or even in life in general should not be tolerated.
Don't be angry at the people that exposed you, be angry at the bad people that made it essential for you to be exposed.
louisevale2 1 year ago
And that,I guess, is the end of that. but B4 we go, we hope you enjoyed the Punch and Judy show. Brought to U by Randburg Productions. I'd just like 2 thank some dear friends 4 making this possible: PaulJohnson1967,Pauljohnson196710 and PauljohsonI967, Mishka1305, CAtisAfine(4 being the biggest prick here),Jonnyknuckles & molecularmadness 4 an excellent flamewar, &all the real people who actually commented, But most of all, the lady who made it all possible, the tiny axgirl herself, Johnblack019
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
bollocks
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO What a total Cock
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
tell that to the jews. truth didn't stop the nazis, russion tanks did. bloody do gooders
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
Smudge hunny, please dont respond to this idiot, he's a troll and want to upset you. If you respond more, he'll try to annoy you more. that's how these people ge their kicks
cuteychicken 1 year ago
your horrid
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
anyone else
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO yeah thought i'd add my two penneth, thats quite a convenient notion you have there considering you just so happen to belong to the species that you think is more important, youre gonna have to come up with something a little more convincing than that if you want to be taken seriously ;) Plus what are you doing about anything apart from whining?
nefariousred 1 year ago
You dumb stupid fuck
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
ah, poor little smudge-ums. You know people are starving in this world. People like you make me sick. okay, its a shame your bloody cat died, get over it. why can't you do something more constructive, like value people above bloody animals!
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
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Gurliewurlie 1 year ago
@Gurliewurlie Thank you but cuteychick is right. just ignore him or he'll keep coming back. Also, violence does not solve anything. truth should be our weapon, or we become as bad as those we seek to oppose
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO
I'll tell you why.
Because people can be evil, people can be corrupt, people can be selfish, people can lie, people can make other people suffer so that they gain.
Animals can do none of those things.
louisevale2 1 year ago 3
I remember when my cat was very sick. we had a great vet. we really didn't want to say goodbye, but she convinced us that poor smudge was suffering. i cried so much, alsmot as much as when my nan died, but in the end we agreed. the vet came to our house and didn't charge a call out fee. Smudge went to heaven surrounded by her family. th vet said, that she thinks animals know when its time to go and sort of give permission. vets can be so wonderful, its just a shame a few can give a bad name
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
I almost turned off after the first ten minutes, i hate to watch animals suffereing and i couldn't take any more, but i thought i'd better stick it out. the worst thing was the bad vet, who wanted to make that poor greyhound suffer by going thru loads of unnecessary tests and stuff. just to make some money. the kindest thing is to know when to let an animal go, but he just wanted to milk it for money, shame on him!
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
I watched that program and i thought it was awful. that poor cat they messed around with when it was asleep. i hate them
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
I mean who really gives a shit about any of this. You may think I'm some sort of dumb troll but i just think this is a waste of time when there is more important shit going on
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO
You might not care about animals but most of us do. why don't you go away if you don't care then?
smudgesmummy1 1 year ago
And Sillagirl, I checked out your picture, nice. I'd let you make me a curry before I rumped you
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
sorry, i mean cat piss
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
Hey Mishka. what's it like to smell of piss?
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
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Gurliewurlie 1 year ago
so, PMT can be permanent...
sillagrrrl 1 year ago 5
i just popped in to wind you all up, it's so easy! carry on sobbing and opening your lame sock accounts. btw, love the weak pauljohnson clone, he visited me talking brokeback shite, i think his outburst was designed to shock. nah, i LMFAO and marked it as "spam". i'm going to send a couple of big macho gay men to his door to show him just how puny these lads are .... not! he needs to learn some respect, the ignoramus! okay, i'm done here, happy trolling! :DDDD
mishka1305 1 year ago
OK, great. Check out the insight, arrows next to the views, interest has waned. This is yesterday's news. The graphs have plateau-ed. So let's move on
sockpuppetist 1 year ago
@sockpuppetist - you are another infantile, time-wasting troll. it is not over, it's only just begun! look around the internet, ask medivet how many clients they are losing? LMFAO!!! most decent people wouldn't touch them with a bargepole! as for sillagrrrl - she's appropriately named but kind to herself, "stupidmutt" would have been more appropriate. carry on puking up your bile, it's lonely here and nobody is interested, we're elsewhere ;) BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
mishka1305 1 year ago
I swear,i would bash the hell out of those stinking scum bags,waste of space morons,white trash redneck hill billys!
Sonya692000 1 year ago
Anyway, now that the animal rights brigade have moved in, this is all becoming a bit pointless and the posts are becoming more shrill and ridiculous. The reasoned debate has died off, as have the new posters. It's just becoming a forum for idiots. I have no control over the medivet vids, or the BBCPanorama one, which I suspect is not official (image quality is too low)but I can shut down my message boards. Which I'll do tonight. Insight tells me this is no longer a hot topic anyway.I got honours
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
Prick
MegaNurse321 1 year ago
Hey Rat fans! It's me again. I'm not banned from this thread or the panorama one, so I can say what I like. Mishka, i had a dog called miska. it got old and ugly, so i throttled it. but it was a fine too. molotov, you are hilarious, all of you, i've read the shit you writte on your channels. you are old ugly women, who don't get enough cock an so have ten cats. you smell of cat piss and have alot of hate inside. the funnyiest bit is when you threaten to beat people up on the internets. fucktards
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO - you poor troll, you're losing your tiny mind. bragging about killing your dog and hurling insults at other users is all very amusing. who's dancing now? i dine on tough internet trolls, correction: single-celled amoeba's, such as you. LOL yeah, we're all old, ugly women ... yadda yadda ... take your medication and go lie down, i'm sure your head hurts by now. what are you going to do next? CAPS LOCK us to death? *shivers with fear*
mishka1305 1 year ago
they showed them as being money grabbing and trying to milk the customer. this was blantantly not true, you could see it clearly but thats not how panorama operates. Another red herring was the whole blood bank thing. I'm not sure what they were trying to prove but they didn't raise a single issue of concern regarding this. And yet they try to portray medvet of being dishonest somehow. When the company said they ran the business at a loss, it demolished this. but mud sticks
republican1916yeah 1 year ago 3
@republican1916yeah Whatever you may write or think, it wont change the opinion of around 2 million people.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
This program was a load of bollocks. Except for him hitting the dog and one dodgy vet, there was nothing that serious. Great efforts were made to paint the whole company in a bad light. What made me laugh most was they way they showed a vet trying help a customer financially by splitting their animals diabetes claim between three cheques. Insurance companies are right slippery fuckers and always try to get out of paying. The vet is trying to help the client but this is not shown. Instead
republican1916yeah 1 year ago 7
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@MolotovCherry . Bucks? Bucks? Do you mean pounds? Are you a septic by any chance?, If so, GTFO!
cuteychicken 1 year ago 6
and there is much more to this scandal than "scruffing" a cat! what's more, it's obvious that some here have different standards when it comes to animal handling and care! be FIRM BUT GENTLE! it often looks worse than it is but what was shown here, all around, is a DISGRACE!!! i would NOT tolerate any animal being roughly handled or abused in my presence, it is unnecessary! people need to remain calm when nursing animals, many don't and it further stresses the patient.
mishka1305 1 year ago
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@mishka1305 You're absolutely RIGHT, Shar! What a disgrace!! I would have NEVER expected there to be vets so fucking heartless! I'm still SHOCKED!
shadowwolf337 1 year ago
Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
cloversweed 1 year ago
Any mistreatment of animals by humans is wrong. Period. The ones who do it know it too...deep down they know they will pay for it ALL. Unless they reverse it. Now.
1221solstice2012 1 year ago
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@1221solstice2012 Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
cloversweed 1 year ago
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sillagrrrl 1 year ago
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sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@gavsky23. Your comment on the other thread seemed balanced and reasonable and , though I disagree with you, you strike me as a reasonable person. That's why I ask you reasonably to please remove your last post. I have had to remove comments from my threads that revealed personal details of people and I've seen threats to hack saw peoples hands off. Whatever your feelings, no matter how strong, do the right thing and delette your post.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
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One can only hope that Aaron Newvell is never allowed to work with animals again. The fact that he treated a frightened dog, obviously in pain, in the way that he did, means he isn't suitable for a career in veterinary nursing. There is a certain type of person who rapidly seems to forget that the animals in their care are sentient creatures, or doesn't care. We have seen similar behaviour in marts, labs, abattoirs, on farms etc. by such people. Thankfully they are a minority.
gavsky23 1 year ago
@gavsky23 This is really irresponsible, Remove your comment. that is out of order!
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago
@gavsky23 - are you saying that the so-called "nurse" who had that poor post-op dog by the throat (the shar pei who had breathing difficulties and was in pain OBVIOUSLY cos he'd just had a leg amputated!) the one he proceeded to punch in the head .... AND this is the same PROMOTED NURSE (now HEAD NURSE) who told an earlier feline patient that he would "enjoy stabbing the little shit" goes by the name of AARON NEWVELL? please confirm, i am very VERY interested!
mishka1305 1 year ago
and .... if i found out that a vet or nurse to whom i had paid a bloody fortune had mistreated my animals in any way, i'd have knocked his block off!!! animals do get scared at the vets, that's why they need firm but gentle handling. you do NOT grab a dog by the throat, esp when it's having breathing difficulties! no wonder the poor soul was terrified! the vet anaesthetising the cat was incompetent, she should have been monitored, the "nurse" was an idiot! also,Aaron the brute needs a slap!
mishka1305 1 year ago
@mishka1305 You make me laugh. You're amusing to me. Dance monkey, dance!
aCATisAfineTOO 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO - silly troll, i'm not going to argue with a nutter like you! save it for somebody who cares ..... byeeeee - btw, i'm a nurse with v high standards! now kiss my arse toots!
mishka1305 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO
You don't mess with mishka1305 when it comes to animal rights and welfare, trust me.
louisevale2 1 year ago
@aCATisAfineTOO
Rude motherfucker.
animalliberation0961 1 year ago
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and .... if i found out that a vet or nurse to whom i had paid a bloody fortune had mistreated my animals in any way, i'd have knocked his block off!!! animals do get scared at the vets, that's why they need firm but gentle handling. you do NOT grab a dog by the throat, esp when it's having breathing difficulties! no wonder the poor soul was terrified! the vet anaesthetising the cat was incompetent, she should have been monitored, the "nurse" was an idiot! also,Aaron the brute needs a slap!
mishka1305 1 year ago
If you so-called "nurses" do not have a problem with what was exposed in this video then you should not be doing the job! the treatment of animals by this group was nothing short of disgraceful! i have worked in a vet's, the whole industry needs proper regulation by the RCVS, self-regulation does not work. i have witnessed animals being slapped and punched in the head by one vet. i PHYSICALLY stopped him! on the whole, our vets and nurses were very competent and caring but there are bad apples
mishka1305 1 year ago
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@mishka1305 Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
cloversweed 1 year ago
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If you so-called "nurses" do not have a problem with what was exposed in this video then you should not be doing the job! the treatment of animals by this group was nothing short of disgraceful! i have worked in a vet's, the whole industry needs proper regulation by the RCVS, self-regulation does not work. i have witnessed animals being slapped and punched in the head by one vet. i PHYSICALLY stopped him! on the whole, our vets and nurses were very competent and caring but there are bad apples
mishka1305 1 year ago
Total misrepresentation of events. The BBC is irresponsible for twisting reality. Shame!
cuteychicken 1 year ago
I thought it was a nice touch from Arnie at the end. Draining blood back into the bag! He pays his trainees peanuts, yet he’s doing very nicely thank you. The business model is so wrong, immoral and represents a company that has now been exposed. It’s not the hard working vets and nurses that should take any blame, it’s the culture driven from the top.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 . And yet it will be the hard working vets and nurses who suffer. The guy at the top will continue to drive around in his merc, he'll have a million less when he retires but he'll be ok. the young teenage nurses who lose their jobs, and the dedicated vets who have worked so hard and invested in their business, will suffer.
MegaNurse321 1 year ago
@MegaNurse321 . I think you have hit the nail on the head there!
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@MegaNurse321 Or....the young nurses coming through will be better trained, won’t have to pay for their own courses, will end up being better looked after and as a result the animals will get better care.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 . you seem to know alot about the companies practices, do you work 4 them. Also the costs would then go up, so prices will have to rise. you can't have cheap costs and better service!
MegaNurse321 1 year ago
@MegaNurse321 I do not hate Medivet, that emotion doesn’t fit with me. All I can say is this story germinated a few years ago. The company’s business model is underpinned by paying junior staff minimum wages, with maximum responsibilities to generated larger profits. Their duties (the trainees) outweigh their experience, their pay is based around the minimum wage and as a result the animal’s welfare is put at risk. This also puts extra pressure on the vets and nurses.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 You don't hate medivet? Don't make you laugh, youhave been gloating and stirring for days. Come on, answer the question! What's your beef? Did the rip you off? Or mistreat your pet? or pass you over for promotion. Your interest in them can't have developed in isolation without contact. You must have a story to tell. Change some of the details but let us know your perspective, where you are coming from. I promise I will believe you and not make fun of you.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 If you do that, you'll finally get the credibilty you deserve. I'll even stop calling you tiny ax woman
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 Hi tiny ax woman! Did you sleep well? Good. So how's going? Now, in your last post, you said you were not an ex-employee. I'll take your word for it. I have two questions. You obviously don't have to answer them, it's your choice. But your fans need to know. A) Are you a disgruntled ex-customer, and B) you are a woman, aren't you?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl The first sign that you might even care! Im not a disgruntled ex customer, Im not a woman and Im not an ex employee.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 Of course I care tiny ax woman, you are very important to me. You're special! So you didn't work for them, you weren't a customer. So you must work for panorama. But no, i don't think that's true. So what is it? What's your beef? I appreciate you don't want to give your identity away, fair enough, but can you give us an idea of why you hate this company so much? I think your many fans have a right to know.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE AND I AM GOING TO BE CLEAR! HOLDING AN ANIMAL BY THE SCRUFF OF THEY NECK IS NOT ABUSE!! THIS IS A WAY TO RESTRAIN A PARTICULARLY VICIOUS ANIMAL. WHEN WORKING AS A NURSE U ARE ALWAYS TOLD TO TRY THE GENTELEST APPROACH AT FIRST. THERE ARE SOME ANIMALS WHO ARE CALM ENOUGH TO SIMPLY TIP THEIR HEAD TO TAKE BLOODS WITHOUT PROBLEMS. ON OTHER CASES U NEED TO HAVE A TIGHTER GRIP AND BE FIRMER OTHERWISE U WILL BE BITTEN!! i cannot stress this point enough!!!!!
starraven278 1 year ago
@starraven278 . I totally agree. Scruffing a cat is often best practice. Though some issues were raised with this company, most of panorama's case was exaggerated ad hyped. An hour long program was not justified, they could have raised the issue in a half hour. The dodgy vet was interesting and disturbing but he has already been struck off, so the industry's self regulation works. The other issues were minor in comparision. Unfortunately, the public will react emotionally as usual.
MegaNurse321 1 year ago
@MegaNurse321 these are select cases at herndon which in my personal oppinion is a horrible place to work at. the company on a whole isnt that bad. any big company people will have problems with but on a whole i have seen alot of vets at medivet who go out of their way to make sure everything is done to satisfy a client. if a client is genuinely struggling most of the medivet vets will go out of their way to do anything they can for them
starraven278 1 year ago
@starraven278 Oh, and writing in caps is cool and CAPSLOCK is cruise control for cool
MegaNurse321 1 year ago
@MegaNurse321 i didnt actually mean to write that comment in caps at all i just knocked the button by accident. and i dont think its right to just lift by the scruff of the neck because it will cause some discomfort without support. im just annoyed at people that say thAT say scruffing an animal at all is wrong.
if u dont scruff an animal you cant be expacted to take bloods or anything without having ur fingers taken off. i know the vet that was struck off and they were right to do that.
starraven278 1 year ago
@starraven278 - when scruffing an adult cat, you are supposed to put your other hand under it's rear end to take the weight. it is NOT an appropriate way to hold an angry cat, it causes discomfort and the feline becomes even more enraged! the only time you can get away with not supporting the weight is when you are quickly transferring from one place to another, i.e. cage to cage. i've worked with ferals, i don't walk around dangling them in mid-air - they'd take my face off!
mishka1305 1 year ago
a lesson in how NOT to handle a cat - watch this nasty, callous medivet - he'll show you! as for anaesthetics, i wouldn't let these cowboys dispense a worming tablet to my animals let alone anaesthetise them! that so-called newly-qualified "vet" was also incompetent! i'd rather have the nurses i worked with knock my animals out, they were far more competent, this was a total fuck-up all round! A DISGRACE!!!
mishka1305 1 year ago
Look, I won't try to make out it's all rosy but what essentially was shown. A vet who struck off, five are a year, and a nurse who lost it and slapped a dog. The vet resigned and the nurse was reprimanded. Where's the story?
cynosure32 1 year ago
i've viewed the programme. i worked as a nurse, NOT ONCE did i ever display such a callous attitude as displayed by your staff! they were ignorant, incompetent and quite brutal at times! one of your vets should be investigated by the RSPCA as should "aaron"! you are a disgrace!
mishka1305 1 year ago
They definitely padded the program out. What about the interview with the farm vet, who said trust was impratant. I bet they tried to get this 'james herriot' type (incidentally they plaed the theme tune) to rubbish the compnay. did he? did he bollocks
republican1916yeah 1 year ago
This is utterly horrific, it seems to be the new trainee nurses that have a very crude and alarming attitude towards the animals. However I think one of the vets Kfir Segev shown in this clip was simply restraining a particularly viscous cat.
adsthepman 1 year ago
@adsthepman - yes, the cat probably was angry cos he was frightened. so would YOU if you were being treated as no more than a bloody "vicious" animal! the client was also paying through the nose for his/her animal to be abused! the RSPCA should be contacted and Kfir Segev prosecuted! animals need gentle care and understanding or they do not get better and will only become harder to treat.
mishka1305 1 year ago
It's gonna tar all vets with the same brush!! Only one side of the story and very careful editing!! Shame on the BBC!
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johnbIack0019 1 year ago
The problem all you Medivet employees have (It’s so obvious Medivet are behind all these clips and comments) is the audience on here is tiny. No one cares what you all think. The problem you’re going to have, no matter how many films, comments or swipes you take at me, is that Panorama will reach out to millions, as will the tabloids. Give it up, take it on the chin, learn the lessons this experience is giving you – that’s my advice.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 give it a rest tiny ax woman! You're like a broken record. I've read the Daily mail stuff, again really biased but I can see there have been instances of something dodgy going on. I mean regarding the guy who was struck off. That sounds likes serious professional malpractice, but every single other issue sounds trivial, especially as 'Alex' was there for 9 months.On that issue they may have a case to answer, but everything else is hyped up.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 The article did mention that Panorama were tipped off by a disgruntled ex-employee. Any comments?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl Yes, look after yout employees in the future. I wasnt one by the way
johnblack0019 1 year ago
OK, i'll go and read the daily mail in my local supermarket. i'll report back, though i refuse to buy, as you say, that rag
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
Buy the Daily Mail. A double page spread about Medivet and its corrupt practices with a front page lead too. Which means it will be picked up by the Evening Standard and other rags tomorrow.
If Im your outlet for all the frustration this must be causing that’s fine, BBC Panorama and the Daily Mail – surely they can’t all be wrong?
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 Daily Mail, you're joking. Did you like my video?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
sorry, actually search 'panorama vets', with an 'S' on the end
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
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Ok, i didn't see the dog being hit around the head, naybe we are talking about different clips, i've added the one i mean to youtube.com
watch?v=31MgikMLneU
is this the same one?, no dog bieng hit here. are we talking about yogi?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
All I know is what I see, read and hear. BBC Breakfast News clearly showed fraudulent practice had occurred and a dog got hit around the head for no reason whatsoever. Whatever anyone says, this is completely unacceptable behaviour. Call me what you like, label away but the truth is out there and I won’t be the only one watching the programme tonight!
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 . OK, i've put the video clip on the bbc panorama site on youtube. search 'panorama vet' and you should see it. i've but my biased opinions on it in annotations, but it's the only chance they get so why not. Tiny ax woman, put that in your pipe and smoke it!
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
i tried to add the link, because i think it best to have the widest possible debate. regarding the charges, i'll admit, i am again not in a position to judge, again we need a non-interested and qualified third party to make a judgment on that. 2K is a lot of money, but if that's what it costs, and medivet are not making excessive profits, fair enough. even tiny-ax woman would have to agree with that
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
Why did we just get reaction shots of the owners being upset at seeing their animal in distress. Why not an independant qualified professional giving their response? If a third party vet was shown saying this was cruel, i'd accept that as a serious issue. but just showing the owners is sensationalist
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
well, i didn't think the restraint used was bad at all. i don't think the nurse putting her arm around the dog's neck was bad at all, even if he had breathing difficulties. the fact all the other staff were really busy was also to be expected. the only issue i had was whether a trainee nurse should be inserting a catheter. I'll admit i'm not an expert, can anyone give guidance? this does raise another significant issue, however...
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
OK, youtube didn''t let me put the dubyadubyadubya beebeecee part at the beinging, but if you type that youself, infront of what i just posted, you'll get the relevant beeb iplayer link, unless i'm wrong and there is another one. next post, my reaction
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8828000/8828881.stm
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
Yes, i've just watched it on iplayer, i didn't think it was that bad, though i was concerned whether or not inserting a catheter is something a junior nurse should be doing. i'll try to post the link in my next post
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
Did anyone see the interview on BBC1 Breakfast News? Showed animal cruelty and fraudulent mischarging of a client - Big Medivet sign in the background. How do you all answer that? I guess you'll resort to a couple of 'one off' incidents but this was a 3 minute interview from a 1 hour long programme. Wonder how much more will be revealed tonight?
johnblack0019 1 year ago
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My family and I have been clients of Medivet for over 15 years now, I understand that the programme has not been shown yet and therefore I cannot comment on the whole of it, however from what I have seen from the above clip I do not find this cruel just a way of restraining and yes I am a pet owner and animal lover.
SuperLiamking 1 year ago
Sorry superliamking, i didn't intend to interupt your flow. When you post it sometimes looks like it didn't work, so you post again and then Youtube thinks you are a spammer, which is why you got mixed up. anyway, I'm glad to hear the little fella pulled through, what was his name?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl Liam King
SuperLiamking 1 year ago
@SuperLiamking . Your dog's name is Liam king? Why did you give him a surname?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl because he is my baby!!!
SuperLiamking 1 year ago
@SuperLiamking . Of course. well I hope he stays well. take care superliamking!
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl Thank you very much and I will pass on your message to my little boy
SuperLiamking 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl . OK, sorry. Anyway, as you said, to an outside observer it would look like he was being mistreated. I guess panorama know that they need sensationalist images to get attention. British people are by nature animal lovers, so they will naturally be distraught at scenes of animal distress. Unfortunately panorama's advert shows it totally out of context
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl Hi His name is Liam
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I have a 13 year old Jack Russell who 2 years ago almost died, had it not been for the fast acting Medivet team and their exceptionally persistent professional work I would not have him with me today. I was also allowed entry to see him pretty much 24hrs of the day.
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SuperLiamking 1 year ago
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He also has to have his toenails cut on a regular basis, he has to be muzzled as he can be very vicious towards the vet (and me) again he has to be restrained and once even messed on the consulting table...again I am sure if this was being filmed it would have been misconstrued, I could just imagine the headline "13 year old Jack Russell restrained so tightly by the Medivet team that he even messed himself"
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I do understand that people may get distressed at watching a loved pet being restrained however sometimes needs must.
I have nothing but the up-most respect for the Medivet team and will continue to be a client.
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@SuperLiamking . obviously, you're a little shy
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@sillagrrrl what are you on about Im half way through posting my comments!
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SuperLiamking 1 year ago
Guys, someone has been posting as me, on the 1.28 message board. they are using a username "pauljohnson1967100", so it's similar enough to mine to be a blatant attempt at identity theft. I was enjoying this debate, but i don't want to part of anything where people are smeared. I will bow out gracefully. Just please be aware that anless it's my username, it's not me. Happy now panorama?
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago 3
@pauljohnson1967 . as I said on the other message board. This is not the work of Panorama, Paul. They wouldn't bother to manipulate youtube message boards, all they care about is their program. the culprit is obviously JohnBlack, who must be a female ex-employee (the name JohnBlack -blacksmith-johnsmith-is obviously too masculine). She is disgruntled with medivet, maybe with some good reason, but still has friends in the company, so she doesn't want to reveal her identity.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
@pauljohnson1967 . So when she was rumbled as a sock puppet, she started trying to steal you identity by opening another account with a similar name. She obvisuly has a big problem and an ax to grind. I suggest we refer to her as 'tiny-ax woman' from now on, to avoid confusion
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
i work at a vets, and personally i think this is a load of shit. if an animal is being hostile towards the vet, then there is no other option than to restrain it, whether that is physical or sedation. the animal doesn't get hurt, a little wound up prehaps.
candygurlxx 1 year ago 6
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@candygurlxx Oh Yea..this I have witnessed..I told the vet if I ever saw him mistreat another animal, I was going to nail his ass to the wall..he went home crying...i went home unemployed! But, I went home knowing I had done the right thing!
cloversweed 1 year ago
I also agree that, ignoring the sensationalism of someone picking a cat up by the back of the neck, and the engineering of stories, there are certainly issues that can be raised by this program. I'll keep stum until then and, like you say, watch the program with an open mind. though i admit i'm biased
cynosure32 1 year ago 4
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My comments are for the world wide web not a group of people who either work for, or have friend and family there. Keep talking amongst yourselves ladies and gents, 2 million plus viewers are about to see what really goes on!
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 . 4 minutes. That's how long it took you to take the debate back to sock puppets. Please Cyno32 and others, do not turn this into a slanging match about whether johnback is real or not. Lets stay on topic, about panorama, and what is acceptable veterinary practice. If you want to discuss the identy of posters, you are really on a hiding to nothing. And John...oh I give up.
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago 9
@pauljohnson1967 Hi Paul. I think you are right. I'm sorry if I helped steer the conversation into the realms of irrelevancy. I promise I'll play nice. Probably best if I lurk instead of posting. What do you say John, truce?
cynosure32 1 year ago 3
so if someone says something nasty about an owner, or makes a joke around the body of a dead cat, yes it would be horrible for the owner to see, but who of us doesn't act differently behind closed doors? Aside from that, the restraint techniques looked fine. Ulitmately we wont know until we see the program, I'll keep an open mind myself, and (if you'll excuse me mixing metaphors, a large pinch of salt!
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago 6
To be honest I was most interested in the comments at the begining of this discussion, about what are acceptable restraint techniques and behaviour behind closed doors. Alot of my friends are surgeons(human) and they can have a very warped sense of humour. The stories they tell about what goes on in theatre, make me think there would be a bigger scandle if they were secretly filmed. I was in the forces and I found that we used humour to deal with difficult situations. I imagine vets are the same
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago 10
OK, i think you guys have made your point. but even though John Black may be a 'sock puppet' , and i agree that reduces her credibility, but does she not raise some points? OK, i am the first one to say panorama is not above sensationalism and creating stories, but is there a serious problem within the veterinary industry that needs to be addressed? Lets keep the debate on this topic and just ignore the sockpuppets and the issue of whether they are a sock puppet
pauljohnson1967 1 year ago 6
@pauljohnson1967 - yes, the vet industry seriously needs to be looked at. i have witnessed one particular vet who used to PUNCH and SLAP animals on the head!!! no, i did NOT stand and watch. i grabbed the animal and told him to smack ME or i put myself in between him and the victim and told him to take his best shot! most vets and nurses i worked with were caring and competent but there are a few bad apples. some trainees are too young & immature, they do not understand how serious the job is.
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johnblack0019 1 year ago
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@johnblack0019 . What's wrong? Cat got your tongue?
sillagrrrl 1 year ago
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‘Sock Puppet’ 'loser' 'busted' this pack mentality is making me laugh - I'm sure one if you is a board member!
This isn't about individual hard working nurses and vets, it's about a company called Medivet who mistreat a system including their own staff! Come Friday it will all change. What goes around comes around eh!
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 OK 'John'. You opened your account yesterday. You hate medivet but seem particularly annoyed by the way they treat their staff. Simple deduction would show you are a disgruntled ex-emploee with an axe to grind. However, you want to obscure your identity. This is called, in internet parlance, being a sock puppet. It's a serious blow to your argument because it shows you do not have the courage to use your real youtube account. You have an agenda.
sillagrrrl 1 year ago 6
@johnblack0019 . And then you accuse the people posting, who all have real accounts, of being members of the medivet board. Most telling is your final sentence. "What goes around comes around eh!". If that is not the statement of an agrieved party, i don't know what is. Please, grind your axe somewhere else!
sillagrrrl 1 year ago 5
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Sounds like you're all from Medivet, or they've put you up to this. All the comments are very constructed, dont read with a natural flow at all.
johnblack0019 1 year ago
@johnblack0019 ...and you only opened your account today. you are a sock puppet. and if you don't know what that means, go away and learn. i am a fan of medivet, i make no pretence otherwise, but this account i use is real. i' didn't just create it to have a dig at hardworking professionals under the cover of a fake name. if people have any doubt, just click on 'his' username, you'll see when 'he' opened his account specifically to rubbish medivet. you loser!
cynosure32 1 year ago 18
@johnblack0019 . in contrast to that, click on the usernames of all the other people who posted. you'll see they have all had their acounts for at least a few months, and not just a day, and they have posted videos and use their accounts, unlike you. who don't exist except as a cypher created to rubbish hard working people. again, you got busted you loser!
cynosure32 1 year ago 17
@johnblack0019 You got Busted!!!! So you are either a) someone who works for panorama, b) someone who works for a rival vets or c) a crazy dog owner with an axe to grind against this company. hilarious! good work cyno32!
sillagrrrl 1 year ago 3