Romania - The Cathedral of National Redemption | European Journal

[davazno1]

Ne mai trebuie niste statui uriase , daca se poate sa fie cele mai mari din europa , cu stefan cel mare , mihai ,si sa dublam numarul de biserici ca sa ne vada si pe noi isus sa ne dea niste bani , da-le dracu de spitale , scoli , infrastructura rutiera feroviara , etc

[florin11bv]

Departe de mine sa fac apologia banului aruncat sau a presupusei sfintenii a intregului cler (desi exista si preoti ADEVARATI, sa nu uitam...). Ganditi-va insa, apropo de cheltuit banii, la doua cazuri: Catedrala din Koln, inceputa pe la 1200 si terminata la 1880 ca SIMBOL al reunificarii germane; Catedrala Sf.Vitus din Praga, inceputa in sec. 14 si finalizata la 1920 -triumf al independentei! Marile turnuri gotice de fatada ale ei sunt de atunci. Fondurile folosite n-au fost doar private.

[Kamadeva01]

Romania is more religious than other christian countries but not as much as this vid paints the situation.

There are less and less people going to church every day(despite resurgence after communist religious oppression) and these buildings in a few decades will be just ornaments.

Not to mention that most of us are dissapointed by the way the church behaves...I won't even discuss politicians which are the no 1 most hated group of all.

[davazno1]

Romanians are superstitious , not religious . They are religious when it suits them , on holidays , etc . 

[florin11bv]

Proiectul construirii unei asemenea catedrale este vechi, dinaintea ultimei conflagratii mondiale. Nu este nimic nou aici, ci doar implinirea unei necesitati istorice si confesionale.

Incercati sa va ganditi la simbolistica, macar putin: Casa Domnului, dominand-o pe cea a unei Satane (aia impuscata la Targoviste). Iar daca este vorba de bani, poate incercam sa renuntam la o sticla-doua de bere, cateva pachete de tigari. Nu e mult...

[wyqtor]

@florin11bv Mai degraba casele a doua Satane tronand asupra poporului saracit si la impins la limita sclaviei!

[bbphnix]

Ceausescu should have inspired himself from Enver Hoxha!

[bbphnix]

the pockets of priests and politicians; it's all a racket!

either that or priests are simply high on power and the more churches the more intimidating they get! or they're just profiting off people stupidity...

how can a country like Romania afford a 600 million euro church while the healthcare system, infrastructure education and everything IMPORTANT goes down the drain?

OMG, I wish I wish the communists had succeeded in making the people atheists! 

[CrazyAxelStyle]

ba eu ma pis pe englezi si pe cei care comenteaza! nu intelegeti termenul de popor si natiune! ma pis pe toti cei care sunt impotriva unitatii noastre ca neam!

[dagurru]

Deutsche Welle sees it, why doesn't the average Romanian see it? No money to pay wages? Heheheehe what a joke. I thought the Church was a Christian institution. This building will be redundant for me and a good part of young people in Romania , who can see that the Orthodox dogma is a big scam.

[rollinginurhead]

deci fratilor, cu o asemenea catedrala, sa vezi atunci cum ne ajuta dumnezeu :)))

[davidstroe]

Eu nu vreau să cumpăr o astfel de clădire cu banii munciți de mine. Ce fac acum?

[AnTr3Y]

NUUUU, fututi mortii matii!!!!!!!

[jivimome]

@ratioexmachina in the orthodox church(all orthodox churches) PEOPLE DON'T PAY TAXES. people give money to the church IF THEY WANT. it is not like in the Roman Catholic church or protestant churches.

and btw, Remus Cernea is paid by Soros's fundation ... he is an atheist who is paid by the jewish-atheist Soros... who HATES CHRISTIANITY.

[ratioexmachina]

@jivimome Yes, but the people pay taxes and the government gives money to the church and not only that, but the church is exempt from taxation and has monopoly on certain things like candles, crosses, graves and cemeteries and so on...monopoly is bad for business (well, not for the orthodox church, but for the market and the consumers). Also, I'm atheist. But I don't care if people have faith or not. I just want equal treatment. I don't want to give money to the church (directly or from taxes).

[davidstroe]

@jivimome You say that like it's bad to be Soros, a jew, an atheist or simply anti-christianity. What bad did they do, or what good did the christians do? Think before letting emotions out.

[paul262674]

@rockon919 So you think Romania is a very sinful country with the biggest rate of abortion. Let me tell you something: if the ortodox religion forbids to use contraceptives of course the numbers of abortion are increased! if in schools the teachers are teaching about adam and eve or another story of the bible instead of sexual education and the human body, look what is happening! And the abortion is much better than abandon the babies in the hospitals or in the garbage, that most teenagers do!

[paul262674]

@ForeverRomania You are an example of a fanatic religious man from Romania. I know your behavior because i`m also from Romania but I usually use my mind before I give an answer. You can`t think correctly because the priest in the church is very good to brainwash i see. And this is the lesson gave by the priest: to hate other religions, atheists, science, scientists, gays, evolution, jews etc., they actually denied the truth about everything they can`t find in the bible. Injura altundeva nu aici!

[TheAngieUK]

Surely sensible people must now realise that the poorest nations on earth are the most religious? SubSaharan Africa, Central and South America...This is lunacy! In Liberia's capital, I visited a Children's Hospital where very sick children were being cared for in tents, other children were 3 to a bed, babies were on shelves and yet right next door was a brand new church! It was the greatest example of inequality I had ever seen. If there is a God, surely he/she would not want this.

[raiamica]

@jivimome sunt multi dintre noi care vrem ca din banii nostri sa se faca scoli (da, si mai multe) sa avem unde sa ne ducem copiii, gradinite, spitalele sa fie imbunatatite, ca daca vrem sa ne rugam, putem sa o facem si in drum spre munca (asa cum scrie la Biblie sa te rogi oriunde il simti pe Dumnezeu). Nu am nevoie de o monstruozitate de cladire sa imi spuna despre Dumnezeu. Dar am nevoie ca banii aia sa se foloseasca acolo unde Dumnezeu nu poate ajuta prea mult (practic vb).

[raiamica]

@jivimome: ce te face sa crezi ca pe cartea de munca a unora scrie afilierea catre o religie, drept urmare banii impozitati acelei persoane nu se duc tot unde se duc si ai tai? Nu inseamna ca e ateu daca nu e de acord cu o astfel de cheltuiala intr-o tara in care noi locuri de munca nu se fac, TOATA lumea se plange de rata mare a somajului, daaaar din banii impozitati alora care muncesc se fac biserici?

[dolofion]

600.000.000 euros for a church?! Insaine in the brain!!

[mihaineom]

if someone big, willing and influential is reading this, please stop the church from building. that money could fill the gaps romania already has. the patriarch is a 15th degree mason. enough said. help our people, the sad romanians. thak YOU

[ValeaJiuluiON]

Ţară de habotnici blindaţi de icoane în toate camerele dar care n-au un amărât de extinctor în toată casa...

[rockon919]

It is so hard to see that increase in spiritual life means economical wellness?

Romania os a very sinful country, the country with the biggest rate of abortion ,globally speaking. thus, we are one of the most sinful people of this Earth.

still... the remaining 10%(probably) are very religious.. we are the salvation of this country!

[Imparatu]

Iarta-i Doamne ca nu stiu ce fac.

[JOE1986D]

Ce se construieste in Romania zilnic? Mall-uri si biserici. De ce am avea nevoie? Spitale, scolii si multe altele..

Dc nu le vom avea? Ca noi credem in dumnezeu, care ne va face bogati pe toti dupa ce murim... cum scolile si spitalele ne tin in viata, ele trebuiesc demolate mai repede pentru a lasa loc bisericilor sa ne duca pe toti in rai.

[jivimome]

@JOE1986D din cate stiu eu... spitalele acum se mai construiesc doar la privat. a trecut era constructiei lor de catre stat.. in cativa zeci de ani ... privatul va inlocui cu totul statul..

2) exista cineva in ROmania care sa vrea sa se duca la scoala... si nu i s-a permis??? sa vina la mine!!!!!

probabil esti si comunist..

[JOE1986D]

@jivimome Daca nu cred in constructia unei cosmelii in mijlocul capitalei care sa ne mantuiasca pe toti inseamna ca sunt comunist?

Si mai ales daca nu cred intr-un dumnezeu care te vrea la biserica sa faci matanii si sa donezi bani pentru "saraci" inseamna ca sunt comunist?

Eu zic ca sunt doar ca sunt inteligent si ca tu esti cam ingust asa ca sa nu te jignesc direct si sa spun ca esti dobitoc.

[JOE1986D]

@jivimome Si acum din simpla curiozitate... Cretine.. pardon, crestine, tu de ce iti doresti atat de mult constructia acestei baraci? NU avem cam multe? la ce ne folosesc atatea biserici intr-o tara care are nevoie de multe altele? in ce secol, mileniu sau pe ce planeta a salvat biserica oamenii in masa? biserica se preface ca e dumnezeu si ca ne mantuieste cand defapt ne cere bani pt orice..

DECI, cretine...pardon, crestine... care este folosul acestei cladiri ?

[jivimome]

@JOE1986D saracule. ai ceva la cap? imi pare rau pt tine. intra pe construim catedrala . ro ... si vei vedea draga boule. scuze, omule normal. la revedere... daca nu te priveste cara-te din romania... caci catedrala asta se inalta exclusiv din Fondurile mele si ale celor ca mien. nu-ti convine.. ai prea multi PITICI pe CREIER, valea. beneficiile vor fi enorm de multe, dar ca de obicei exista TREPADUSI la fiecare pas in Romania mea scumpa care nu inteleg.. Pacat.. pacat boule, ah scuze, normalule

[JOE1986D]

@jivimome Se pare ca esti cam incuiat. Romania ta scumpa? e cumparata de mata aceasta tzara?

Eu te-am intrebat cu ce ne ajuta aceasta cosmelie care este, ca recunoaste lumea sau nu, construita si cu bani de la guvern. Terenul ala nu e cumparat pe cartonase de la gume. E dat de stat si cumparat din banii tuturor.

Si care vor fi acele beneficii, ca tot nu ai specificat.

Cat despre gradul tau de cultura si de inchistare.. este la cote maxime.

Dc sunt eu bou? ca nu vreau aceasta cladire de cacat?

[JOE1986D]

@jivimome Cat despre acei oamenii care vor sa aibe un gram de educatie si nu au parte de el, dar in schimb tu te oferi sa ii scolesti..despre ce o sa ii inveti? despre traitul in padure si despre mai ce?

Daca esti o persoana atat de matura nu cumva esti si tu un alt comunist?

O gramada de imebicili care se ascund in spatele unui calculator si devin zimbri cand defapt sunt niste coate goale cu gura mare.

Rusine tie si celor ca tine care sunt legati la ochi si la urechi si nu vor sa auda pareri.

[jivimome]

@JOE1986D nu ma enerva pls. cine vrea sa faca scoala o face oricum. daca nu exista in fiecare catun nu inseamna ca nu-s scoli. intelegi? orice tara balcanica, ortodoxa, catolica protestanta ... etc ... orice natiune de pe glob are un templu... sinagoga.. etc.. mai mare in taara respectiva pt a se ruga. proiectul asta din romania e de acum 100 de ani... banii sunt ai mei, nu ai tai ce e asa greu sa se contruiasca ateule? cat despre teren du-te si ia-tede hotii aia mari nu de 10,000 m ai Bisericii

[NistorCodrut]

@jivimome Conform legii, proprietatile statului sint in-a-li-e-na-bile!!! Ai idee ce inseamna asta? Adica simplul fapt ca bor (da, nu merita majuscule) a primit terenul ala de la stat e o ilegalitate strigatoare la tavan, ca sa zic asa. De inutilitatea monstruozitatii arhitectonice care e catedrala bintuirii neamului nici nu vorbesc...

P.S. Catre crestinopatii care maninca ciocolata aici: am discutat cu mai multe persoane credincioase si majoritatea nu sint de acord cu risipa asta, deci GURA!

[jivimome]

@NistorCodrut ok ateule. ciao

eu sunt de acord si cu asta basta si inca 50% din populatia romaniei, deci 50%+1 asa ca Gura

aa si esti comunist? sau votezi cu pdl sau psd? in special pdl ca vad ca ... acelasi limbaj gen gura ca noi suntem la putere. lool. gg tuu

inalienabil? pt un obiectiv de interes public national si international n-avem teren dar pt miile de mafioti(cine stie poate si tu.. daca esti comunist/ateu)avem nu? bravo franz! imi place de tine

[NistorCodrut]

@jivimome Nu mai votez ca nu am cu cine. Imi place cum generalizezi. Imi e clar ca peste 50% din populatia romaniei e o adunatura de cefalopode, insa nu ei platesc grosul impozitelor. Faptul ca s-au facut ilegalitati in multe alte cazuri nu indreptateste STATUL, adica totalitatea organismelor care ar trebui sa se ocupe de respectarea legilor, sa nu le respecte. Legat de 50% din populatia romaniei, nu cred ca e vorba de 50% din cei care chiar conteaza...

[NistorCodrut]

@jivimome Inca una si ma duc: daca se intimpla sa iti fie sotia/copilul in situatia de a veni salvarea sa ii ia si ti se spune la telefon ca va veni in 3 ore deoarece in jurul tau nu mai e nici un spital pe o raza de 100 de kilometri, te va face sa te simti bine catedrala bintuirii neamului? Poate iti trimit un popa pentru slujba, ca tot vor muri... contra-cost, desigur.

[jivimome]

@NistorCodrut ok.... inteleg... asa e cum zici tu. poate ca eu traiesc chiar in mijlocul spitalelor si nu-mi dau seama.. dar proiectul catedralei e de peste 100 de ani... adica in decursul anilor au vrut... probabil peste 60 milioane de oameni(romani) ca aceasta catedrala sa fie construita. iar ce scrie acolo ca sunt desfiintate 3 scoli zilnic e manipulare .. iar spitale.. rar de tot. eu lucrez in domeniu si pot spune ca in 10-15 ani Sistemul privat va acapara 70% din piata. ca in celelalte tari

[NistorCodrut]

@jivimome Lucrezi in domeniu la privat, sa inteleg. Daca ai lucra la stat, ar fi foarte amuzant - sa fii muritor de foame din cauza fondurilor ce se scurg aiurea si sa sustii un proiect de genul asta.

P.S. Convingerile mele legate de existenta sau non-existenta divinitatii nu au legatura cu subiectul de fata. Crede-ma ca, atita vreme cit o biserica se ridica pe un teren donat de un individ oarecare sau deja in proprietatea bor DIN FONDURI PROPRII, nu am absolut nimic impotriva...

[NistorCodrut]

Legat de numarul de scoli si spitale desfiintate, e posibil sa fie putin umflate cifrele, insa numarul de biserici vs scoli EXISTENT nu e manipulare, sint cifre oficiale. La fel si realitatea din spitalele de stat...

[jivimome]

@NistorCodrut pai asta inseamna ca in mai putin de un an :-) nu am mai avea nicio scoala :-)

[silviumarian]

ateu la urmatorul recensamant

[ILoveMyTail]

SA DEA BISERICA BANI PENTRU SPITALE SI LA SARACI, NU PENTRU CONSTRUIREA ALTOR BISERICI. IPOCRITILOR. MANCA-V-AR SARACIA SA VA MANANCE!

[rockon919]

Eu sunt de acord cu constructia... si din cate stiu eu statul nu mai da bani pt nimic(din cauza protestelor)... doar terenul a ramas.

si daca si Biserica e marea problema in Romania atunci eu sutn din China. Sa fim seriosi.. uitativa la aia mari! la marile afaceri cu statul de MILIARDE de euro... de faptul ca se fura ca0n codru in Romania. In loc sa ajutam biserica, adica sa construim pe baza solida noi dam in ea. LOL! HALAL POPOR. NIMIC NU O SA INTELEGETI NICIODATA. COMUNISTILORRRRRRR!!!!

[croi2001]

@VyckRo - I wonder which "majority" supports this project? I have friends who are believers, BUT don't agree with this stupid waste of money. We all want to get a higher standard of living in Romania, a better economy, better education and health system, but instead "invest" money in religion. But the government thinks on the long term: idiots will be much easier to control without education... and church can help with brain washing. Go and take a cold shower - maybe you'll wake up!

[kikenhana]

I am ashamed as a Romanian of this monstrosity of a building. Our social system is in ruins, there are no money to be invested in education, hospitals, infrastructure, research or social support, but there are money to build an enormous, outrageously ugly and completely useless piece of concrete that contradicts the Christian moral. Where is your common sense people?! Wake up from the deceiving illusion that is religion and open you mind to humanism and ration!

[Coronerjackle88]

@kikenhana - well said. It is like half are blind, half are stupid...

[raiamica]

I am ashamed by the people of Romania who agreed with this project and i do have a solution for them. Since you agreed for 600 milions of euro to be spent on church, when you get sick, please go and light a candle, but don't set a foot in a hospital since building this monstruosity called cathedral was more important to you. But i am sure you'll blame it on the government, not on the fact that you broke the second commandment of God.

[SesizamProblema]

I dream to be alive when the church will pay taxes and i also dream to the day when the state won't pay anymore priest salaries.

[VyckRo]

Majority of Romania's population supports this project!

The opponents are small groups of anarchists and communists!

those who did this story thez should be ashamed, when churches were destroyed in Romania and priests sent to prison, the west did nothing!

So now they want to push their atheism on the neck, if need it we will all die protecting ours ancestral faith from the black plague of atheism

[Coronerjackle88]

@VyckRo - So what if the majority supports this abomination ? ( although i think that is not accurate) Since when the numbers overwrite the quality? This only shows how easily the people can be manipulated , and how backward, superstitious and less-educated the people are. You cry "poverty" but you tolerate the money-drain to this symbolic altar , when there could be investments in things that matter. Like school, hospitals , tourism, child raising etc...

[Coronerjackle88]

@VyckRo  - I know religion is important to keep a nation united , but from this and to the "supra-production" of altars is a long way. Faith should be personal ( intimate , if you will) , not imposed by the institution with rites and brainwashing.

[rockon919]

@Coronerjackle88 -------->>>>> As far as I know the Romanian Government gives no money to the Church because of Cernea's protests... only land.

[Coronerjackle88]

@rockon919 - maybe so, but you really think the money for this kind of construction comes only from the humble flock of the church?

[rockon919]

@Coronerjackle88 yes, from me. and if people would be more spiritual, rather than material... this would be a spectaculous economical growth , peace maker...

because christian orthodoxy means peace, INDUSTRIOUS people.. it is a sin not to work.

Saint Apostle Pavel(paul in western culture, don't know ur country)said that the one who doesn't work he shall not eat!!! not work=>not eat.

[claudiuno]

Everybody's saying that the romanian government doesn't have any money for schools and hospitals. They are right! But they have enough money to build the biggest cathedral in the world. The price tag.... 600 000 000 euros... just for the start... and is more to come

[starcraftyt]

a thousand times better than other buildings to build churches, and eventually it does not hurt anyone

[InterCityP]

@starcraftyt What about orphans seeking shelter, sick people seeking health care, children seeking education? I think they would disagree with you, that it does indeed hurt!!!

[starcraftyt]

@InterCityP if u were in Romania u don't comment like this :) trust me there are more money spent on others things usless here

[bbphnix]

@starcraftyt stil that doesn't change the hypocrisy of the church! if they were real christians they'd give those 600 million euroes to help people, poor people, to help hospitals, schools;

the church has THAT much money and it just waists on more and more churches bigger and bigger?

this isn't a real church: it's a new elite, taking the place of the communist elite that used to rule the country and it comes with own megalomania, trying to out-do Ceausescu;

[bbphnix]

@starcraftyt there might be money waisted on other things, but that's no argument for just turning a blind eye to one such waist!

I am Romanian, and I couldn't loath this story any more... I will protest this church's build and I hope it gets destroyed at the next earthquake if they go ahead with it!

[tnt4mind]

You should view this church as a cultural monument. Just like Morocco's Hassan II Mosque it will be a landmark. Think about the fact that Romanians had no opportunities to build their own cathedrals in the past - lack of money, wars, etc. so this is a cultural statement not a display of power by the church.

[bbphnix]

@tnt4mind it's exactly a display of power by the church!

we don't need churches! that money should go to other areas, like hospitals and schools;

we have cathedrals, think of the one on Dealul Mitropoliei...

but even if there's wasn't a cathedral in all of Romania, no "cultural landmark:...... good! we don't need churches anyway, they're useless buildings;

besides a cultural landmark should be something old, passed down through history, not build in 2014

[playop]

In my neighborhood , on an area spreading the size of 4 bus stations, there are 6 churches. No Hospital, No Schools... 6 churches , all at the main boulevard. The schools are hidden behind apartment buildings... This is Romania... The Orthodox church is very...fundamentalist! And the priests, driving luxury cars, spending tons of money in Supermarkets, using iPads and Smartphones... Probably to keep in touch with GOD!

[bbphnix]

@playop they're disgusting pseudo-human beings! those priests should be hanged!

[Raducu2oo5]

I understand how the Germans, French, British, etc find it bizarre that a Church is part of a national identity, since in their countries its usually Mosques that are part of the national identity. I pray we dont reach that point!

[weaselidiotu]

nu-mi vine sa cred ca nu au fost proteste impotriva acestui proiect grotesc.

[slackeriii]

@weaselidiotu ~90% of the country's population is orthodox christian, and another 9% subscribe to other abrahamic religions. Honestly, who's going to protest against this? More importantly, who's gonna care?

We might as well be living Saudi fricking Arabia or Iran.

[weaselidiotu]

@slackeriii nu sunt de acord. cred ca daca lumea ar fi sincera la urmatorul recensamant al populatiei care va fi anul asta, am vedea ca de fapt numarul de credinciosi ortodocsi este mai mic. asta cred eu... dar multi pun ortodox doar pentru ca au fost botezati desi nu practica ritualurile. poate mai multi atei ar trebui sa iasa din dulapuri ca sa zic asa. ar fi bine pentru societatea civila.

[bbphnix]

@slackeriii eu! eu as protesta! ma dezgusta biserica asta!

si este una dintre marile probleme ale acestei tari, ca 99% sunt religiosi;

printre putinele lucruri bune pe care le-au facut comunishtii a fost interzicerea religiei! pacat ca nu au reusit ca impuna doctrina ateista.... Ceausescu ar fi trebuit sa tine legatura cu Enver Hoxha

[florin11bv]

@bbphnix

Amice, esti idiot!

[Raducu2oo5]

Shame on you DW for giving a one-sided story here. Romania's money doesnt go into building churches, it goes into pockets of corrupt politicians. But what am I saying, it was Western companies that paid them to shut down the Romanian industry because it was "competition". And you guys try to make a credible interview with Remus Cernea?? Might as well have invited Mr. Bean!!

[RouBear1]

Sunt crestin ortodox da imi bag pl in ei si in si in planurile lor megalomanice.Construiti ba autostrazi si spitale in mortii vostrii.Si pe langa asta are si un design urat si e prea mare

[MMoruzov]

Nici nu-i de mirare....

Oamenii voteaza pe galeti si pixuri si pe ce zice popa...DA DA! Se-ntampla, mai ales la sate....

Nu mai scriu de afacerile care se fac in curtile din spatele unor biserici....

SUNT ORTODOX!

Dar una e sa-L slujesti pe Dumnezeu si alta este sa faci averi pe spatele Lui....

Nu zic sa nu se construiasca, da` nu-i locu` acuma.... Nu mai sunt medicamente in farmacii, inca sunt comunitati care nu au curent electric, nu mai vorbesc de gaze, apa si canalizare...

[montrazvan89]

știa Nicu ce știa

[shadowq2]

@deutschewelleenglish

Germans you should mind your own fucking bussiness, your own schools and minarets. You will become a muslim state so fuck you. The majority is agreed for building our cathedral, but as always the minority is the most vocal.

The only thing that kept our country alive trough centuries of foreign invasion was our orthodox church, otherwise we would not even exist right now.

We have the right to do whatever we want in our country, we will build a pyramid if we want.

[1dumah1]

@shadowq2 poate ai de pupat niste moaste si noi te retinem

[catalin357]

it;s only a way to get more money. churches are today in romania another ways of ripping of the people. nothing more .

[MilkDrinkerIntl]

Ok... more than 4000 churches...but how many were demolished in the 50 years of communism? Hundreds! How many were built? 0! Regarding of the number of school... there are more schools in Romania than the need! (with about 5000 more)