While this is a high sticking call on Gretzky it also looks like a dive by Gilmore to me, and I'm guessing that's what the discussion the officials had after the whistle. Take 'em both to the box, or take neither to the box. No PP though.
Even putting aside that there was no infraction on the play according to the NHL Rule Book, it was game 6, the Leafs would have still had to have won game 6 (a penalty wouldn't have guaranteed that). They got another chance in game 7 and lost that anyway so they didn't deserve to go on. The team that beat the Leafs was wiped out in 5 games by the Habs anyway. The Leafs played 21 games in 3 rounds (all 3 went 7) the Habs set records for most wins in a row (11) and went 16 - 2 after their 2nd game
@RigaFraction no infraction on the play? while you do have a point with the habs, there is no telling what might have happened had the leafs gone on the powerplay here, this was not a "natural follow through" as you so blindly put it, when you actually watch the video at 0:45, you see gretzky finish his shot, return his stick to the ice, HE EVEN TOUCHED GILMOUR'S SKATES WITH IT. and then from his skates he lifts it up to his face, sounds like a high sticking call to me
@spartan934 Yeah this is a missed call for sure. Fraser talks about it in his book, It's completely excusable for a ref, even today with two ref's, to miss a call from time to time. What would have happened if the call had been made? Well, it's is possible the Leafs might have scored. But L.A. was the more talented team, they may have gotten it back.The way the Leafs have played since 1967, it's much more likely they would have failed their 5 min power play anyway.
@jmanthirtyfour theres a difference between missing a tough call, but one as obvious as this? where EVERYBODY in the arena saw it happen except for the refs, and nobody knows what would have happened, but without gretzky LA would have been severely shafted. you never what could have happened if the refs werent deciding games to get viewers for the finals
@spartan934 You say "refs" as if there were more than one. There was only one ref. The two referee system didn't start until 1998-1999 (initial trial). Kerry Fraser was responsible for watching EVERYONE on the ice, not just the puck carrier. The linesmen are not allowed to call penalties, and are not watching for them. It takes very little imagination to realize that the ref may have been looking at something else, or may have had his vision obstructed by another player.
@jmanthirtyfour took you a week to write those six paragraphs buddy? if everybody in the arena saw it, why didnt the guy whose JOB it is to see it, not? you cant honestly tell me that a finals matchup between TO and montreal would have generated any american interest. im not saying its some conspiracy to keep the leaf's names off the cup, but i wouldnt put anything past a ref, i've never liked them and i never will
@spartan934 Furthermore, the assumption that ref's are deliberately deciding games is akin to conspiracy theory, it's absolutely garbage. Ref's do the best they can in a game as fast as this. It was a missed call, nothing more, nothing less It's unfortunate that it happened in the playoffs, and even if the call had been made, it's debatable if the outcome of the game would have been any different.
@spartan934 It doesn't matter how bad the Kings would have been without Gretzky. The Leafs would have sucked without Gilmore. Who cares? The fact is, Gretzky WAS on the Kings, and Gilmore WAS on the Leafs, not to mention that this wasn't the finals. This was the semi-finals. The Leafs make the finals?! Who are you trying to kid...
@jmanthirtyfour I think what many are saying is this missed call cost them game six because the penalty on Gretzky's highstick would have him in the penalty box and in 1993 ejected from the game. He scored the winning goal in OT and in Leaf fan's minds he shouln't have even been in the game, they have a point. With Roy being the best goalie at the time I doubt the Leafs would beat the Habs.
@jmanthirtyfour You are right my friend! the leafs probably wouldn't have scored on the power play, but the problem is, Gretzky scored the game winner less than 2 minutes later, when he should've been in the box....
@otis1169 i thought that there was some rule or something about high sticking or for whatever reason if they called this Wayne would have been thrown out of the game? If you listen to the commentator " Would'nt this be something if Wayne Gretzky was THROWN OUT for a high stick".
@otis1169 Hmm if that is true, then you do have a valid point. But missed calls are part of the game, and were a much bigger part of the game before 1999 with the single ref system. Even today, Shanahan hands out suspensions over calls that the ref's miss. I get the feeling that Leafs fans are looking for an outside reason their team has never been better than "just average" over the last what... 40 years? I don't think Kerry Fraser deserves as much as he has gotten over this incident.
Oh quit whining Leaf fans, there was no infraction on the play. Gretzky's stick was up on the follow through from a shot and thus there was no penalty. The rules state rather specifically that if the stick is up because of a follow through on a natural motion of a shot (as opposed to a wild swing at a bouncing puck) there is no penalty. Get over it, the refs didn't blow the call to hand the Leafs a Powerplay and it didn't make a difference anyway as it didn't decide the game and was only game 6
@RigaFraction he followed through brought his stick back down around Gilmours feet and then lifted it up into his face. Are you blind did you even watch the video? there was also blood.
The way the League treated Gretzky back then is the same way they are treating Sidney Crosby today. It sucks and everyone knows that Crosby can be a joke.
It's obvioius it wasn't the follow through that hit Gilmour. Ol 99 high sticked him. He should have been booted, but he was St. Wayne. There was one set of rules for eveyone else - and another set for 99. His salary in Phoenix - I think it was $8 million - is another example. A sick joke considering he sucked as a coach. He did nothing to earn or deserve that much money. Read "Gretzky's Tears". That's closer to the truth, what he's really like. It isn't a pretty picture, but reality rarely is.
It doesn't matter if it was unintentional, the rule book stated back then as it states now you ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN STICK AT ALL TIMES. That should have been two minutes for high sticking, 4 minutes if it drew blood. Fraser is a bitch though, he damn well knows his bosses will rip him a new one you put Princess Gretzky in the sin bin.
@namtap It wasn't during the follow-through of his shot. The replay from behind the goal clearly shows Gretzky shoot, bring the stick back down to the ice and then hit Gilmour's skate. He then proceeds to run his stick up Gilmour's shin and hits him in the jaw. It should also be pointed out that you CAN in fact get a high-sticking penalty during the follow-through of a shot, if the referee deems it to be a reckless or dangerous play. Which in my imo is every single highstick to a face
@ffryan In 1993 it was an automatic 5 and a game for a high-stick to the head or face resulting in injury. It clearly wasn't the follow through of Gretzky's shot that hit Gilmour. Therefore Gretzky should'a been tossed. This is the point I'm trying to make
@mrceebees14 In 1993 it was an automatic 5 minute major and game misconduct for high-sticking (deemed accidental contact or careless) when an injury resulted to the face or head of an opponent.
It didn't necessarily mean it had to draw blood and it certainly did not have to be intentional. Obviously Gilmour was bleeding so if Fraser had seen the high stick he would have had no choice but to throw Gretzky out of the game.
All I can say is that I loved this rule (5 min and out) when it existed to force players avoiding playing stupid with high sticks. We should have it back.
They finally discovered the secret - The NHL overlords wanted Los Angeles in the Stanley Cup - forget all thecheapshots done by Toronto, and every single call went against Toronto - damn how did this secret get the fuck out.
Leafs suck. You think even if they beat Gretzky they beat the Canadiens that year? Not a fucking chance. Boo hoo a missed call when Gretzky took a high stick. gretzky is like the fucking Gandhi of the NHL everyone knows that.
@8BigBubba13 If the Leafs were truly good enough to go to the finals they woulda won game 7. But Potvin was a young goalie at the time, and then Gretzky did what he did best and took over game 7. I still think the Habs woulda beat them probably in 6.
@8BigBubba13 Exactly. But the Leafs have been cursed forever, and this was just another chapter in their last 57 years of misery. Can't say the Kings that year didn't deserve to go to the finals also. Doesn't matter that they lost to the Habs.
@JFox128 Sorry i'm not a conspiracy theorist. It was a missed call. people are human. Doesn't matter that it's Gretzky, but that's what people wanna think.
@8BigBubba13 Lol what a joke. Even if Gretzky had gone to the locker room, the Leafs still would have lost. The Leafs have been a mediocre team since the sixties. How can they have beat the Habs, when they couldn't even beat the Kings?! The Habs had no trouble beating the Kings...
@jmanthirtyfour A mediocre team? LOL! So Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, Clark, and Sundin all led "mediocre" teams? And the Leafs were 2-0 against the Habs that season, giving good reason the believe that they would've won.
Ok let's get this straight gilmour clearly gets highsticked....Gretzky automatic double minor regardless if Fraser saw it or not gilmour was cut.....secondly to you fuckin hab fans the leafs owned them that year check the stats....so don't pull that bullshit about how they were the better team wether or not the leafs won the game or not Gretzky shouldn't have been on the ice therefore no goal....and the Habs woulda been scared shitless!
@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
The blown call didn't lose you the series. Those missed calls happen all the time, get over it. Just look at the Canucks Sharks series, there were four of those exact same penalties missed in one game. Don't lose game seven on home ice and this isn't an issue. The Better team won
Yes it was a game 6, it was almost 20 years ago so it must have slipped my mind. Anyways Gretzky scored the game winning goal when he should have been in the penalty box from this call.....that's why leafs fans hate it so much.
It's stupid to say "let it go. It was 18 years ago." It was a horrible call, one of the worst calls in Leaf history that significantly hurt the franchise. As a Leaf fan it hurts. I don't blame anyone, especially not Fraser, after all these years but that doesn't mean you need to let it go. Holding on to the painful moments and the awesome moments of your team is what makes you a fan. Watching this should still piss off any true leaf fan. Nothing wrong with that...
Just imagine if this happened to the Leafs - Martin Gelinas scores to put the Flames 7 minutes away from winning the Stanley Cup in Game 6. Or did he... After a very quick video review, they say no goal, Tampa Bay goes on to win this game and game 7 to win the cup.
Go to the 5:00 mark of Jerms819 video "2004 Stanley Cup Finals Game 6 Highlights"
Wow, that is it? I have heard so much about this incident from Leafs fans and this is the first time I actually looked it up. Very disappointing. I could barely see a high stick on the slow motion replay. From the way Leafs fans dwell on this incident I thought maybe gretzky took somebody's head half-off and then scored the game winning goal as he lay bleeding on the ice.
I like that "ohhhh crap did they see it?" as Gretzky casually skates around.
It really sucked, but Fraser is human. I think a lot of people are looking this video up after seeing that article on TSN.ca, and it was a well-written piece. I like the Leafs (but I'm a Red Wings guy), and think it might just be time to let bygones be bygones.
@kornnut43 I think for Leaf fans it's hard for them to let it go because it's the closest they've gotten to winning the cup in 44 years. They had some success in 93,94 99 and 02, but since the lockout in 04/05 season they haven't made the post season and near the bottom of the NHL. I think this is why they will continue to have a grudge on Fraser's mistake.
@stubs96 It wasn't just the high stick. It was the fact that Gretzky scored the OT goal and Gretzky single handedly dominated the Leafs in game 7 with something like 5 or 6 goals. Gretzky made such an impact on the series after this incident, when he should have been thrown out for the infraction.
@ffryan I'm not disagreeing with Leaf fans, this missed call cost them from going to the finals, but Roy was very dominent in the playoffs and the hockey gods were on our (Habs) side because we won 10 overtime games that year which not only takes skill, but also luck. The Leafs should have made the finals, not too many intelligent hockey fans would argue that, I doubt they would have won against the Habs, but certainly they would have been in the finals.
@stubs96 All we can do is theorize I guess. Roy was very hot during those playoffs. I remember that summer a lot of people were saying that the leafs would have had a much better chance at beating the Habs than the kings had. It sure would have been nice with an old school Montreal-Toronto final.
@ffryan the Leafs did have a winning record against the Habs in 93 so you're right there chances weren't bad, but noone can really say who would have won in a Habs vs Leafs finals. It's too bad that Fraser's mistake cost many fans an original 6 Stanley Cup final, I still think Roy was too hot for the Leafs, but we'll never know.
@stubs96 What an amazing deductive skillset you have. If the Leafs "should have made the finals", then they would have. A missed call doesn't invalidate the fact that they lost 3 other games, and that in the previous game, Gilmour illegally headbutted a LA player and that call was also missed. Gosh, LA lost that game, maybe they should have won in six...!
@jmanthirtyfour I think you may be responding on someone else's post, I don't remember saying the Leafs "should have made the finals", I would agree they were good that year and if not for Fraser's missed call, they'd likely be in the finals, but where did I say that? The Leafs would have lost to the Canadiens anyway because Roy was too hot.
@iceball258 So, as a fan of a team who hasn't won the Cup in 40+ years,you'd rather hang onto the negatives than focus on the positives?? Such as the way they're playing this year?
I never said I wasn't a Leafs fan, even though my heart lies in Detroit - that Leafs jersey I own definitely says otherwise. I really hope they continue the great run they're having this year!
@klimacs "there's no way the Leafs ever got to any kind of a final since television has been colour", to be fair the Leafs did make it to the Eastern Conference finals in 99 and 02 and the Cambpell's conference finals in 93 and 94. You may be too young to remember these. I would love to see a Habs vs Leafs Stanley Cup finals, the Habs would probably win, but it would revive a rivalry.
The World Hockey Championship teams are made up of players who play for teams who didn\t make the NHL playoffs. The Leafs allow some continuity for the teams since they never make the playoffs.
Wow, I love how all you leafs fans are still bitter about this, 18 years on. Ref's miss calls, they are human, deal with it. Yeah it sucked for your leafs but they still didn't do the business in OT of this game or in game 7.
Leaf fans, biggest bunch of dwelling, uneducated fucking cry babies who have nothing better to do but go on and on about things that happened in the past. The mouths on you guys too, like really, how many of you were alive when the Leafs last made it to the finals, let alone won the cup? Know your place and shut the fuck up, biased twats.
@thom666777 lets use your logic, because we're not going to dwell on the past why does it matter when the last time we won the cup was? btw twat? REALLY?
@simonhurst Not going to dwell on the past, when the fuck do you think this video happened last year, no '93 and you guys are still whining about it. Why does it matter how many cups you've won? Leaf fans shoot their mouth off all year about other teams and players but what do you guys have to show for it, nothing but you guys still talk about them as if they are the Red Wings. Oh and yes you guys are fucking twats. Yes really!!!
not just this game, but every game kerry fraser referreed, he was more concerned about his f'n hair then the game. habs woulda been the leafs bitch, they owned them all year. God's team for life.
Kerry Fraser talks at length about this moment and what it meant long term to Gretzky, Leafs fans, his familiy, etc. in an all new interview up now on MayorsManor. com (see the podcast tab)
I don't believe the man. It wasn';t only him, also don koharski the game previous. These guys were payed. Plain and simple. If anyone can watch the game with don koharski please do. His calls and non calls were so obvious. I
Leafs fans are a joke. So just because they missed a call (which never happens, right?) the Leafs would have automatically made it to the finals and won if the call was made? Ridiculous
What are you talking about? The Leafs had a good team that year. The fact is we don't know who would win the STanley Cup, but it should have been the Leafs vs the Habs. A classic of classics denied not only by the jackass Ref here but also the other one named don koharski.
Maple Leafs fans have been whining about this for 17+ years already. They would have lost to the Habs in the finals anyway. If this happened now, I could just imagine the moaning that would be coming from Canada—"Oh, it's a conspiracy! Bettman just didn't want two Canadian teams in the finals. The fix was on!" Too bad Bettman wasn't around yet then so the Leafs fans could blame the failures of their team on him.
@RRaquello Considering how bad we have been since then with the exception of 94 and 2001 would you not look back as a leaf fan and wonder what if? Whether or not Toronto would have won or lost against the habs the legendary status of that series would still be talked about today and I think as a hab fan like yourself, you would have to agree.
@RRaquello Wrong. Bettman became commissioner of the NHL on February 1, 1993. Whether the Leafs would have lost is debatable, no one can say it wouldn't have been an amazing final.
@mistrbrwn Wow, Bettman only came into the league a couple of months before this and already he was conspiring against the Canadian teams.
Anyway, if I was a Leafs fan I would quit bitching about 1993 and look at a couple of other years when they had a clear path to the cup finals and blew it both times. And both of those times is could have been an original 6 cup final match-up:
The next year 1994 losing to an inferior Vancouver Canucks team.
@RRaquello Who said he was conspiring? You said he wasn't commissioner at the time, which was wrong. Maybe do some homework before you just throw out comments.
@mistrbrwn Do homework? For YouTube? I ain't in school anymore. So what, I was off on Bettman for a couple of months. The main point of my comment was that after 18 years it's about time for Leaf fans to quit whining about this. Maybe if the Leafs had done something in the 18 years since besides fumble around & lose, they might be able to move on. But the Leafs incompetence ain't Kerry Fraser's fault.
there are 2 reason this wasnt called 1 gretzky cant be given a penelty its gretzky and 2 he highsticked gilmore the one who cot his chin cut open and bled (notably the blood was blue and white) was a leaf nothing is called against the leafs
Hold on a sec. You can see where Gilmour is moving in and Gretzky's stick is clearly at his feet. The momentum of Gilmour slides the stick up in to his own face. Yes a player is responsible for their own stick but to call this a blatant high stick that the refs should have seen is ridiculous. It's easy to see how they could've missed this call, especially with only one ref who is watching the flow of play after the shot.
I'm not a fan of either team, but it looks like Gretzky should have been guilty as charged for that. It would have been the last chance to see a Habs-Leafs Stanley Cup Final considering that five years later the Leafs would move over to the East Conference.
It looked like Gretzky's stick got caught on Gilmour's leg and as Gilmour continued moving forward the stick just slid straight up to his chin. It's obviously accidental, I don't see what the controversy is.
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es540kickflip 1 day ago
While this is a high sticking call on Gretzky it also looks like a dive by Gilmore to me, and I'm guessing that's what the discussion the officials had after the whistle. Take 'em both to the box, or take neither to the box. No PP though.
Iknow789 2 weeks ago
Its not like he didn't get any penalties, he had almost 600 PIM at the end of his career.
lazyidiotofthemonth 1 month ago
in what world is the a natural follow through?
sakowihe75 1 month ago
Even putting aside that there was no infraction on the play according to the NHL Rule Book, it was game 6, the Leafs would have still had to have won game 6 (a penalty wouldn't have guaranteed that). They got another chance in game 7 and lost that anyway so they didn't deserve to go on. The team that beat the Leafs was wiped out in 5 games by the Habs anyway. The Leafs played 21 games in 3 rounds (all 3 went 7) the Habs set records for most wins in a row (11) and went 16 - 2 after their 2nd game
RigaFraction 1 month ago
@RigaFraction no infraction on the play? while you do have a point with the habs, there is no telling what might have happened had the leafs gone on the powerplay here, this was not a "natural follow through" as you so blindly put it, when you actually watch the video at 0:45, you see gretzky finish his shot, return his stick to the ice, HE EVEN TOUCHED GILMOUR'S SKATES WITH IT. and then from his skates he lifts it up to his face, sounds like a high sticking call to me
spartan934 3 weeks ago
@spartan934 Yeah this is a missed call for sure. Fraser talks about it in his book, It's completely excusable for a ref, even today with two ref's, to miss a call from time to time. What would have happened if the call had been made? Well, it's is possible the Leafs might have scored. But L.A. was the more talented team, they may have gotten it back.The way the Leafs have played since 1967, it's much more likely they would have failed their 5 min power play anyway.
jmanthirtyfour 2 weeks ago
@jmanthirtyfour theres a difference between missing a tough call, but one as obvious as this? where EVERYBODY in the arena saw it happen except for the refs, and nobody knows what would have happened, but without gretzky LA would have been severely shafted. you never what could have happened if the refs werent deciding games to get viewers for the finals
spartan934 2 weeks ago
@spartan934 You say "refs" as if there were more than one. There was only one ref. The two referee system didn't start until 1998-1999 (initial trial). Kerry Fraser was responsible for watching EVERYONE on the ice, not just the puck carrier. The linesmen are not allowed to call penalties, and are not watching for them. It takes very little imagination to realize that the ref may have been looking at something else, or may have had his vision obstructed by another player.
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour took you a week to write those six paragraphs buddy? if everybody in the arena saw it, why didnt the guy whose JOB it is to see it, not? you cant honestly tell me that a finals matchup between TO and montreal would have generated any american interest. im not saying its some conspiracy to keep the leaf's names off the cup, but i wouldnt put anything past a ref, i've never liked them and i never will
spartan934 5 days ago
@spartan934 Furthermore, the assumption that ref's are deliberately deciding games is akin to conspiracy theory, it's absolutely garbage. Ref's do the best they can in a game as fast as this. It was a missed call, nothing more, nothing less It's unfortunate that it happened in the playoffs, and even if the call had been made, it's debatable if the outcome of the game would have been any different.
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@spartan934 It doesn't matter how bad the Kings would have been without Gretzky. The Leafs would have sucked without Gilmore. Who cares? The fact is, Gretzky WAS on the Kings, and Gilmore WAS on the Leafs, not to mention that this wasn't the finals. This was the semi-finals. The Leafs make the finals?! Who are you trying to kid...
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour I think what many are saying is this missed call cost them game six because the penalty on Gretzky's highstick would have him in the penalty box and in 1993 ejected from the game. He scored the winning goal in OT and in Leaf fan's minds he shouln't have even been in the game, they have a point. With Roy being the best goalie at the time I doubt the Leafs would beat the Habs.
stubs96 5 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour You are right my friend! the leafs probably wouldn't have scored on the power play, but the problem is, Gretzky scored the game winner less than 2 minutes later, when he should've been in the box....
otis1169 2 weeks ago
@otis1169 i thought that there was some rule or something about high sticking or for whatever reason if they called this Wayne would have been thrown out of the game? If you listen to the commentator " Would'nt this be something if Wayne Gretzky was THROWN OUT for a high stick".
turdsandwicher 6 days ago
@otis1169 Hmm if that is true, then you do have a valid point. But missed calls are part of the game, and were a much bigger part of the game before 1999 with the single ref system. Even today, Shanahan hands out suspensions over calls that the ref's miss. I get the feeling that Leafs fans are looking for an outside reason their team has never been better than "just average" over the last what... 40 years? I don't think Kerry Fraser deserves as much as he has gotten over this incident.
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
Oh quit whining Leaf fans, there was no infraction on the play. Gretzky's stick was up on the follow through from a shot and thus there was no penalty. The rules state rather specifically that if the stick is up because of a follow through on a natural motion of a shot (as opposed to a wild swing at a bouncing puck) there is no penalty. Get over it, the refs didn't blow the call to hand the Leafs a Powerplay and it didn't make a difference anyway as it didn't decide the game and was only game 6
RigaFraction 1 month ago
@RigaFraction he followed through brought his stick back down around Gilmours feet and then lifted it up into his face. Are you blind did you even watch the video? there was also blood.
turdsandwicher 6 days ago
my blood boils when i see this
11leverhume 1 month ago
what if he wasn't blind
supermansbro100 1 month ago
The way the League treated Gretzky back then is the same way they are treating Sidney Crosby today. It sucks and everyone knows that Crosby can be a joke.
SpeedyTase 1 month ago
It's obvioius it wasn't the follow through that hit Gilmour. Ol 99 high sticked him. He should have been booted, but he was St. Wayne. There was one set of rules for eveyone else - and another set for 99. His salary in Phoenix - I think it was $8 million - is another example. A sick joke considering he sucked as a coach. He did nothing to earn or deserve that much money. Read "Gretzky's Tears". That's closer to the truth, what he's really like. It isn't a pretty picture, but reality rarely is.
XMedoraX 2 months ago
this is a joke, unintensional and non violent. Yepp, not even a penalty!
hasekdom 3 months ago
It doesn't matter if it was unintentional, the rule book stated back then as it states now you ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN STICK AT ALL TIMES. That should have been two minutes for high sticking, 4 minutes if it drew blood. Fraser is a bitch though, he damn well knows his bosses will rip him a new one you put Princess Gretzky in the sin bin.
mrceebees14 3 months ago
@mrceebees14 Not if it's a follow-through on the shot. I can't really tell what happened in this video.
namtap 2 months ago
@namtap It wasn't during the follow-through of his shot. The replay from behind the goal clearly shows Gretzky shoot, bring the stick back down to the ice and then hit Gilmour's skate. He then proceeds to run his stick up Gilmour's shin and hits him in the jaw. It should also be pointed out that you CAN in fact get a high-sticking penalty during the follow-through of a shot, if the referee deems it to be a reckless or dangerous play. Which in my imo is every single highstick to a face
bachmike 2 months ago
@bachmike that is the high sticking rule now. It wasn't then. In 93 it didn't make a difference.
ffryan 2 months ago
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bachmike 2 months ago
@ffryan In 1993 it was an automatic 5 and a game for a high-stick to the head or face resulting in injury. It clearly wasn't the follow through of Gretzky's shot that hit Gilmour. Therefore Gretzky should'a been tossed. This is the point I'm trying to make
bachmike 2 months ago
@bachmike I agree, he should have been.
ffryan 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 Actually back then high-sticking was a 5 minute major and game misconduct
bachmike 2 months ago
@bachmike I think only if it drew blood and looked intentional.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 In 1993 it was an automatic 5 minute major and game misconduct for high-sticking (deemed accidental contact or careless) when an injury resulted to the face or head of an opponent.
It didn't necessarily mean it had to draw blood and it certainly did not have to be intentional. Obviously Gilmour was bleeding so if Fraser had seen the high stick he would have had no choice but to throw Gretzky out of the game.
bachmike 2 months ago
Dougie was sooooo overrated! Fraser not see something?! He is omnipotent, just ask the arrogant jackass!
elsoop 4 months ago
Anyone else would have gotten 5 min and game.
kodiak1966 4 months ago
Leaf fans need to get over it, he got a small cut on his chin big deal. Wouldn't have beaten Montreal if you made it that far anyway
thuca94 4 months ago
@thuca94 Any post-season advancement is huge for a leafs fan; they were purposely cheated out of a rare extended season.
PintoPonyProductions 4 months ago
how they missed this call. this was a great game and a great series. leafs best team ever. just awesome.
SANATANDHARAM01 5 months ago
Fraser is probally the worst ref ever in the leauge.
kingbigb2 5 months ago
All I can say is that I loved this rule (5 min and out) when it existed to force players avoiding playing stupid with high sticks. We should have it back.
Beginstheman 5 months ago
Keep clinging to memories Leaf fans, it's all you have left.
Fo3fan97 5 months ago
Kerry Fraser is a blind cocksucker.
leafyutube 5 months ago
I love the way Cole gets the call wrong. I thought it was just when he was getting old. Gilmour didn't block the shot at all, the defender did.
"Gilmour blocked the shot, it hurt him..." ridiculous!
The only thing that took Gilmour down was a stick in the face from Wayne. Accidental or no, it's a penalty.
Kerry Fraser is my least favourite referee of all time.
Bob Cole is still driving me nuts with his bias.
ben909ben 6 months ago
They finally discovered the secret - The NHL overlords wanted Los Angeles in the Stanley Cup - forget all thecheapshots done by Toronto, and every single call went against Toronto - damn how did this secret get the fuck out.
MrGreeneyes2469 6 months ago
R.I.P Pat Burns
ketchup7717 7 months ago
holy shit does any1 hear aliens?
BroWithNoFlow 7 months ago
Leafs suck. You think even if they beat Gretzky they beat the Canadiens that year? Not a fucking chance. Boo hoo a missed call when Gretzky took a high stick. gretzky is like the fucking Gandhi of the NHL everyone knows that.
WuTangShogun36 7 months ago
@WuTangShogun36 Really? Because everyone I know - even Habs fans - admit that the Leafs would have killed them in the Final that year.
8BigBubba13 7 months ago
@8BigBubba13 If the Leafs were truly good enough to go to the finals they woulda won game 7. But Potvin was a young goalie at the time, and then Gretzky did what he did best and took over game 7. I still think the Habs woulda beat them probably in 6.
WuTangShogun36 7 months ago
@WuTangShogun36 Well, regardless of what they would have done, we'll never know now.
8BigBubba13 7 months ago
@8BigBubba13 Exactly. But the Leafs have been cursed forever, and this was just another chapter in their last 57 years of misery. Can't say the Kings that year didn't deserve to go to the finals also. Doesn't matter that they lost to the Habs.
WuTangShogun36 7 months ago
@WuTangShogun36 Now about Harold Ballard...
8BigBubba13 7 months ago
@WuTangShogun36 you're a plug.
JFox128 7 months ago
@JFox128 Sorry i'm not a conspiracy theorist. It was a missed call. people are human. Doesn't matter that it's Gretzky, but that's what people wanna think.
WuTangShogun36 7 months ago
@JFox128 i cant believe you just called someone a plug.
oatmealleafer 6 months ago
@WuTangShogun36 its been 43 years for the leafs and kings.
oatmealleafer 6 months ago
@8BigBubba13 Lol what a joke. Even if Gretzky had gone to the locker room, the Leafs still would have lost. The Leafs have been a mediocre team since the sixties. How can they have beat the Habs, when they couldn't even beat the Kings?! The Habs had no trouble beating the Kings...
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour A mediocre team? LOL! So Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, Clark, and Sundin all led "mediocre" teams? And the Leafs were 2-0 against the Habs that season, giving good reason the believe that they would've won.
8BigBubba13 5 days ago
THE BIGGEST FACT THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET IS THAT WE WERE KILLING A PENELTY WHEN THIS HAPPENED. EVEN UP RIGHT?
I WILL PISS ON KERRY FRASERS GRAVE.
bobeee1969 7 months ago
its all business, and you know how big business works?
BurnYourCash 7 months ago
Boy, Leaf fans are the biggest whiners -- and biggest losers -- in all of sports.
Auxclercs 8 months ago
@Auxclercs
At least we're not a fat, bald, middle-aged loser like you.
KeyGuy1967 8 months ago
@KeyGuy1967 Haha, name calling. Awesome. You fail.
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour
Says the tool that can't even spell Gilmour properly, go suck on a glock douche.
KeyGuy1967 4 days ago
What a screw job....
sooner70 8 months ago
Lets not forget gilmour should've been suspended for the headbutt the game before... So I guess it's even.
MrFrankiebones98 8 months ago
Ok let's get this straight gilmour clearly gets highsticked....Gretzky automatic double minor regardless if Fraser saw it or not gilmour was cut.....secondly to you fuckin hab fans the leafs owned them that year check the stats....so don't pull that bullshit about how they were the better team wether or not the leafs won the game or not Gretzky shouldn't have been on the ice therefore no goal....and the Habs woulda been scared shitless!
Rattled24 8 months ago
@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
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@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
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@Rattled24 Funny you say that, and funny how the Habs had no trouble beating the Kings in the Finals, when the Leafs struggled and oh.. um... LOST!! Stats must say it all. The post season is always the same as the regular season!
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
Leafs fans are such bitches.
jthittinger 8 months ago
@jthittinger
So is your fat pig of a mother
KeyGuy1967 8 months ago
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@KeyGuy1967 Thanks for proving my point.
jthittinger 8 months ago
Cros-bitch gets the same treatment.
wschmrdr 8 months ago
The blown call didn't lose you the series. Those missed calls happen all the time, get over it. Just look at the Canucks Sharks series, there were four of those exact same penalties missed in one game. Don't lose game seven on home ice and this isn't an issue. The Better team won
chmza 8 months ago
The blown call didn't lose you the series. That is all.
chmza 8 months ago
ultraman... Fuck off!!! Fraser- You still SUCK!!
1derbs 8 months ago
they should have both went off. gretz for the high stick and gilmour for the dive. so the result would not have changed.
bloodndn 8 months ago
@bloodndn Yeah except that gretzky would have been off the ice and unable to score the winning goal....
Joey1013 8 months ago
@bloodndn Gilmour was cut open and bleeding, why would he have been called for a dive?
Frostbittenjam 8 months ago
Also don't worry Leaf fans, my habs took the Kings out for you guys after your team couldn't get the job done
ultraman8914 8 months ago
Never understand why Leafs fans bitch about this, it didn't cost them the series, they lost game 7 on home ice after this
ultraman8914 8 months ago
@ultraman8914
That's why they lost game 7 on home ice smart guy. The man who scored the winning goal should have been in the penalty box
ronkkrop 8 months ago
@ronkkrop
This was in game 6 smart guy.
moustachi0 8 months ago
@ronkkrop yeah this was game 6 not game 7 genius, this was a 5 minute major at most, it wouldn't have kept out for an entire game
ultraman8914 8 months ago
@ultraman8914 *Gretzky out
ultraman8914 8 months ago
@ultraman8914
Yes it was a game 6, it was almost 20 years ago so it must have slipped my mind. Anyways Gretzky scored the game winning goal when he should have been in the penalty box from this call.....that's why leafs fans hate it so much.
ronkkrop 8 months ago 2
It's stupid to say "let it go. It was 18 years ago." It was a horrible call, one of the worst calls in Leaf history that significantly hurt the franchise. As a Leaf fan it hurts. I don't blame anyone, especially not Fraser, after all these years but that doesn't mean you need to let it go. Holding on to the painful moments and the awesome moments of your team is what makes you a fan. Watching this should still piss off any true leaf fan. Nothing wrong with that...
woodstack2000 8 months ago 2
meh.
37Past6 8 months ago
Just imagine if this happened to the Leafs - Martin Gelinas scores to put the Flames 7 minutes away from winning the Stanley Cup in Game 6. Or did he... After a very quick video review, they say no goal, Tampa Bay goes on to win this game and game 7 to win the cup.
Go to the 5:00 mark of Jerms819 video "2004 Stanley Cup Finals Game 6 Highlights"
moustachi0 8 months ago
Wow, that is it? I have heard so much about this incident from Leafs fans and this is the first time I actually looked it up. Very disappointing. I could barely see a high stick on the slow motion replay. From the way Leafs fans dwell on this incident I thought maybe gretzky took somebody's head half-off and then scored the game winning goal as he lay bleeding on the ice.
moustachi0 8 months ago 2
When in the game was this and what was the score?
Rymo18 8 months ago
lol leafs and no not a hahahabs fan.
CF173 8 months ago
Even Bob Cole didn't know... at first he figured the damage was done by the puck.
newfiesig 8 months ago
I like that "ohhhh crap did they see it?" as Gretzky casually skates around.
It really sucked, but Fraser is human. I think a lot of people are looking this video up after seeing that article on TSN.ca, and it was a well-written piece. I like the Leafs (but I'm a Red Wings guy), and think it might just be time to let bygones be bygones.
kornnut43 8 months ago 5
@kornnut43 I think for Leaf fans it's hard for them to let it go because it's the closest they've gotten to winning the cup in 44 years. They had some success in 93,94 99 and 02, but since the lockout in 04/05 season they haven't made the post season and near the bottom of the NHL. I think this is why they will continue to have a grudge on Fraser's mistake.
stubs96 2 months ago
@stubs96 It wasn't just the high stick. It was the fact that Gretzky scored the OT goal and Gretzky single handedly dominated the Leafs in game 7 with something like 5 or 6 goals. Gretzky made such an impact on the series after this incident, when he should have been thrown out for the infraction.
ffryan 2 months ago
@ffryan I'm not disagreeing with Leaf fans, this missed call cost them from going to the finals, but Roy was very dominent in the playoffs and the hockey gods were on our (Habs) side because we won 10 overtime games that year which not only takes skill, but also luck. The Leafs should have made the finals, not too many intelligent hockey fans would argue that, I doubt they would have won against the Habs, but certainly they would have been in the finals.
stubs96 2 months ago
@stubs96 All we can do is theorize I guess. Roy was very hot during those playoffs. I remember that summer a lot of people were saying that the leafs would have had a much better chance at beating the Habs than the kings had. It sure would have been nice with an old school Montreal-Toronto final.
ffryan 2 months ago
@ffryan the Leafs did have a winning record against the Habs in 93 so you're right there chances weren't bad, but noone can really say who would have won in a Habs vs Leafs finals. It's too bad that Fraser's mistake cost many fans an original 6 Stanley Cup final, I still think Roy was too hot for the Leafs, but we'll never know.
stubs96 2 months ago
@stubs96 What an amazing deductive skillset you have. If the Leafs "should have made the finals", then they would have. A missed call doesn't invalidate the fact that they lost 3 other games, and that in the previous game, Gilmour illegally headbutted a LA player and that call was also missed. Gosh, LA lost that game, maybe they should have won in six...!
jmanthirtyfour 6 days ago
@jmanthirtyfour I think you may be responding on someone else's post, I don't remember saying the Leafs "should have made the finals", I would agree they were good that year and if not for Fraser's missed call, they'd likely be in the finals, but where did I say that? The Leafs would have lost to the Canadiens anyway because Roy was too hot.
stubs96 5 days ago
@kornnut43 When you become a Leafs fan you talk, until then please dont speak
iceball258 1 month ago
@iceball258 So, as a fan of a team who hasn't won the Cup in 40+ years,you'd rather hang onto the negatives than focus on the positives?? Such as the way they're playing this year?
I never said I wasn't a Leafs fan, even though my heart lies in Detroit - that Leafs jersey I own definitely says otherwise. I really hope they continue the great run they're having this year!
kornnut43 1 month ago
Great call.
MrJimdalling 8 months ago
1967
dirtmerchant16 8 months ago
18 years since that day. And TSN has the stones to feature Kerry fucking Fraser on their playoff coverage. Fuck that guy.
Tomdawg89 8 months ago
@Tomdawg89 Get over it.
Ey3le5s666 8 months ago
Wow, what a bunch of babies. What about the other three games they lost? That's why it's best of seven, so one thing can't decide a winner...
Novits55 8 months ago
Clearly this is false because there's no way the Leafs ever got to any kind of a final since television has been in color.
klimacs 8 months ago
@klimacs "there's no way the Leafs ever got to any kind of a final since television has been colour", to be fair the Leafs did make it to the Eastern Conference finals in 99 and 02 and the Cambpell's conference finals in 93 and 94. You may be too young to remember these. I would love to see a Habs vs Leafs Stanley Cup finals, the Habs would probably win, but it would revive a rivalry.
stubs96 8 months ago
@stubs96 I was trying to be funny my friend. I'm almost 30 I was just trying to make some laughs
klimacs 8 months ago
@klimacs sorry, there have been many comments that seem like uninformed idiots and I mistook you for one, again I'm sorry.
stubs96 8 months ago
@stubs96 Not at all buddy don't worry bout it.
klimacs 8 months ago
If it wasn't for the Leafs, there would be no World Hockey Championships.
fredgarvin19 8 months ago
@fredgarvin19 How do you figure?
HockeyFights1890 8 months ago
@HockeyFights1890
The World Hockey Championship teams are made up of players who play for teams who didn\t make the NHL playoffs. The Leafs allow some continuity for the teams since they never make the playoffs.
fredgarvin19 8 months ago
Wow, I love how all you leafs fans are still bitter about this, 18 years on. Ref's miss calls, they are human, deal with it. Yeah it sucked for your leafs but they still didn't do the business in OT of this game or in game 7.
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thom666777 9 months ago
Leaf fans, biggest bunch of dwelling, uneducated fucking cry babies who have nothing better to do but go on and on about things that happened in the past. The mouths on you guys too, like really, how many of you were alive when the Leafs last made it to the finals, let alone won the cup? Know your place and shut the fuck up, biased twats.
thom666777 9 months ago
@thom666777 lets use your logic, because we're not going to dwell on the past why does it matter when the last time we won the cup was? btw twat? REALLY?
simonhurst 9 months ago
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@simonhurst Not going to dwell on the past, when the fuck do you think this video happened last year, no '93 and you guys are still whining about it. Why does it matter how many cups you've won? Leaf fans shoot their mouth off all year about other teams and players but what do you guys have to show for it, nothing but you guys still talk about them as if they are the Red Wings. Oh and yes you guys are fucking twats. Yes really!!!
thom666777 9 months ago
all the haters must be ottawa or hab fans.
coltsboy13 9 months ago
If Gilmour wasn't diving on the ice he was diving on teenage babysitters.
superdvddeals 9 months ago
@superdvddeals LOL cause it's so true.
IscariotXVI 9 months ago
@superdvddeals fuck u gilmour didn't rape a fuckin girl so shut the fuck up
MrZigazone 8 months ago
@24xebk you're a fuckin tool. What a dumb thing to say.
coleman1300 9 months ago
sorry laughs fans but you're forgetting your very own motto:
THERE'S NO POINT CRYING IN LIFE OVER SOGGY WAFFLES!
get over it and move on.
st393736 9 months ago
Wayne gretzky got special treatment just like Gary Buttman gives to sidney crosby.
24xEBK 9 months ago
NHL rules used to give you a major and a game for a high-stick? Really?
DickMcPenis 9 months ago
Pat burns at 0:28 is all business, Pat Burns at 1:18 is all PARTAY!!
notthebread 9 months ago
Leafs fans whining since 93 about Gretzky "Gooning it up on them" LOL
fredgarvin19 9 months ago
not just this game, but every game kerry fraser referreed, he was more concerned about his f'n hair then the game. habs woulda been the leafs bitch, they owned them all year. God's team for life.
caldershot 9 months ago
Of course we can't show a clip of the '93 Kings without Barry's mullet!
hellonicetomeetyou 9 months ago
I seem to remember Doug Gilmour throwing a head butt in the same game and nobody complaining that he didn't get a penalty.
fredgarvin19 10 months ago
@fredgarvin19 seriously,?? get a grip...give your head a shake.
caldershot 9 months ago
gilmour should be working at the snack bar anyway
littlelumbeee 10 months ago
The NHL loves guarding it's superstars.
sens1fan 10 months ago 26
@sens1fan I agree that is unless the superstar plays for the Red Wings, then it seems the refs call everything they can against them.
Link9mm 5 months ago
Gilmour made a yard sale out of it. Nonetheless.....that was one hell of a series!!!!
chessunderground 10 months ago
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802wolves 10 months ago
Kerry Fraser talks at length about this moment and what it meant long term to Gretzky, Leafs fans, his familiy, etc. in an all new interview up now on MayorsManor. com (see the podcast tab)
MayorsManor 10 months ago
@MayorsManor
I don't believe the man. It wasn';t only him, also don koharski the game previous. These guys were payed. Plain and simple. If anyone can watch the game with don koharski please do. His calls and non calls were so obvious. I
babystinky 10 months ago
Leafs fans are a joke. So just because they missed a call (which never happens, right?) the Leafs would have automatically made it to the finals and won if the call was made? Ridiculous
stevemesaros 10 months ago
this cost the leafs a trip to the finals!!!!!!!!!
whitbyRjN92 10 months ago
Oh Leaf's fans... You wouldn't have beat the Habs anyway, probably would have been swept in the finals. That team wasn't that good.
pomophobe 10 months ago
Sorry, they were good... For the Leafs. Not good enough to win a cup.
pomophobe 10 months ago
@pomophobe
What are you talking about? The Leafs had a good team that year. The fact is we don't know who would win the STanley Cup, but it should have been the Leafs vs the Habs. A classic of classics denied not only by the jackass Ref here but also the other one named don koharski.
babystinky 10 months ago
@babystinky Habs would have won ... had huge confidence and momentum after the 10 straight OT wins .. they woulda mopped the floor with the Loafs
offthelinegt 10 months ago
Maple Leafs fans have been whining about this for 17+ years already. They would have lost to the Habs in the finals anyway. If this happened now, I could just imagine the moaning that would be coming from Canada—"Oh, it's a conspiracy! Bettman just didn't want two Canadian teams in the finals. The fix was on!" Too bad Bettman wasn't around yet then so the Leafs fans could blame the failures of their team on him.
RRaquello 11 months ago
@RRaquello Considering how bad we have been since then with the exception of 94 and 2001 would you not look back as a leaf fan and wonder what if? Whether or not Toronto would have won or lost against the habs the legendary status of that series would still be talked about today and I think as a hab fan like yourself, you would have to agree.
robroythefirstmm 11 months ago
@RRaquello Wrong. Bettman became commissioner of the NHL on February 1, 1993. Whether the Leafs would have lost is debatable, no one can say it wouldn't have been an amazing final.
mistrbrwn 11 months ago
@mistrbrwn Wow, Bettman only came into the league a couple of months before this and already he was conspiring against the Canadian teams.
Anyway, if I was a Leafs fan I would quit bitching about 1993 and look at a couple of other years when they had a clear path to the cup finals and blew it both times. And both of those times is could have been an original 6 cup final match-up:
The next year 1994 losing to an inferior Vancouver Canucks team.
and 2002, losing to an inferior Carolina team.
RRaquello 10 months ago
@RRaquello Who said he was conspiring? You said he wasn't commissioner at the time, which was wrong. Maybe do some homework before you just throw out comments.
mistrbrwn 10 months ago
@mistrbrwn Do homework? For YouTube? I ain't in school anymore. So what, I was off on Bettman for a couple of months. The main point of my comment was that after 18 years it's about time for Leaf fans to quit whining about this. Maybe if the Leafs had done something in the 18 years since besides fumble around & lose, they might be able to move on. But the Leafs incompetence ain't Kerry Fraser's fault.
RRaquello 10 months ago
@RRaquello So what? You were wrong, that was MY point. You think the Habs would have won anyway, that's your opinion. It just happens to be wrong.
mistrbrwn 10 months ago
fraser is a memeber of hair club
uazzs 11 months ago
Fraser hates the Flames
ty1977 11 months ago
hahaa fraser is so young
juggHERnutt 11 months ago
referee miss high stick 2-3 times a game what the fuck u guys are thinking, + watch the height he hitted him.. hes almost licking the ice.
zebzor 11 months ago
This could have all been forgotten if the Leafs actually won Game 7......but alas........
TheHockeyCentral 11 months ago
As usual Bob Cole misses the call. And he still broadcasts hockey games. What a joke.
abc1000001 11 months ago
there are 2 reason this wasnt called 1 gretzky cant be given a penelty its gretzky and 2 he highsticked gilmore the one who cot his chin cut open and bled (notably the blood was blue and white) was a leaf nothing is called against the leafs
lthe6thkira 11 months ago
Hold on a sec. You can see where Gilmour is moving in and Gretzky's stick is clearly at his feet. The momentum of Gilmour slides the stick up in to his own face. Yes a player is responsible for their own stick but to call this a blatant high stick that the refs should have seen is ridiculous. It's easy to see how they could've missed this call, especially with only one ref who is watching the flow of play after the shot.
Halgrim 11 months ago
yah this is when the league was sucking gretzkys dick just like they're doing now with crosby. They wouldnt dare toss him out of a playoff game.
bboyemme 11 months ago
I'm not a fan of either team, but it looks like Gretzky should have been guilty as charged for that. It would have been the last chance to see a Habs-Leafs Stanley Cup Final considering that five years later the Leafs would move over to the East Conference.
bluebear1985 1 year ago
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djprezence 1 year ago
@djprezence Fuck you and fuck your mother too.
Are you upset by this?
It's so miniscule.
You need to fucking forget. You're such a baby.
tricesimo 10 months ago
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djprezence 10 months ago
@djprezence You still here? I thought I told you go fuck your mother. You'll have to take a number, though.
tricesimo 10 months ago
Looks like a dive to me.
crackerjackrappr 1 year ago
It looked like Gretzky's stick got caught on Gilmour's leg and as Gilmour continued moving forward the stick just slid straight up to his chin. It's obviously accidental, I don't see what the controversy is.
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