E85 Solutions

[chewey218]

where can i get one

[niknasstie]

my 03 lightning runs way better on e85

[CaliCal68]

will it still have issues starting up on cold days?

[deltaalpha21074]

What about standard V-8s seems my 4.7 Dodge is always used for E-85? wonder if it can just get remapped with this and ready to go E-85.

[MrDANIELDMARTINRIOS]

using E-85 on my OLDS BRAVADA SUV for 4 years now with no problem

my car is not FLEX-FUEL

[wtl1964]

@MrDANIELDMARTINRIOS thats because its a h.o motor thats why i put it in my 97 jimmy it has a high output 4.3 vortec motor and it makes it have more horsepower and more responsive basicaly

[xsquad101]

you dont have to program the computer the car will learn on its own just introduce the car to it slowly

[keznevin]

Unless you use a diablosport tuner. I have a 2003 Mustang Mach1 & it has factory 10.5 to 1 compression ratio. I monitor the air/fuel through my programmer, raise the fuel 20-40% and then advance the timing very aggressive. Sit back and hope it runs!

[mbdulka]

This is a little deceptive, as you have to spray 20-30% more fuel when you use E85 ... many of these stock cars *may* have injectors to do that, most probably do not ... do not use E85 in a performance car unless you have a faster flowing fuel pump and larger injectors, or you're saking for problems. Otherwise, go for it -- E85 rocks!

[ugotpimp]

i wish him luck b/c i always root for american ingenuity and small business but that price is steep.

Id almost like to see him sell the patent and let someone mass produce it for $99.

[creamyfilling102]

why do u need to reprogram the computer? the oxygen sensor automaticly compensates for the fuel injection. and i think ur supposed to change the fuel line to a different material to avoid corossion. and even if you do, unless u raise the compression, the mileage drops a good 25 to 30 percent.

[amgmuscle]

The A/f ratio is completely different

[creamyfilling102]

yes.. the ratio is different. like i said, the oxygen sensor detects that and compensates.

[speedfreak247]

gasoline is stoichiometric at 14.7:1, E85 is stoichiometric  at 9.8:1. most stock ecu's can only compensate for about 10-15%. So you have to alter the global fuel trim to make it work.

[zinglebluesun]

Yes the o2 sensor will compensate up to a point (close loop). When you put the pedal to the medal (WOT/open loop) the car will switch to open loop and will not be using the o2 sensor. It will read from the fuel map on the ecu instead. So if you go out and fill up your regular car with e85 (not recommended by me) It may run ok if you drive like your grandma but once you step on it to pass a car or do a WOT then it will lean out and detonate.

[zinglebluesun]

A tune is needed to make your car run efficient with e85. I tune turbo my car to have the same if not better than stock gas mileage on e85. (1.05lambda to .80 lambda at 10psi)

[jh1keener]

really the only negitive is that you must have the fuel system to do it as well.  At WOT you may need as much as 40% more fuel.

in a daily driver, this is no big deal, to a 500hp motor it could mean a hole in a piston.

[metalalien79]

I tested E85 versus methanol in my supercharged drag atv. 15psi at 10 to 1 compression, 28 degrees advance max.

E85 was (up to) 6 MPH slower than Methanol racing the hill at Dumont Dunes California.

[AaronROlson]

No but if I don't upgrade will I suffer major fuel economy loss or power loss? If so how bad. I am just thinking to try and run E-85 anyway until I can get a upgrade later. I drive a 2000 chev with a 6.0L.

[bigkperformance]

I'm not going to say you can run E85 without a tune but from what I have heard it should run fine on the factory non-flex fuel tune. From what I know there are two main concerns to running E85 with out the proper tune, one is cold start-up, it will start hard @ 40-30 degrees and below. The other is without a tune and you put a heavy load on the vehicle, like a pulling a boat or pulling a trailer, it could result in a lean air/fuel mixture and possibly burn the engine down.

[AaronROlson]

what will happen to a non flex fuel vehicle if you do not upgrade the computer?

[bigkperformance]

Search this video:

E85 Ethanol Does not harm Non-FlexFueled Engines

[daltonagre]

Since 1979, 100% ethanol cars are being produced, here in Brazil.

[metalalien79]

I run my supercharged (15psi) drag atv on e85. So far it seems like a good alternative to methanol

[jindagreatlee]

that's cuz it's rated at 108 octane and methanol mixed with pump gas creates 116 octane equivalant. So all in all E85 is cheap race gas.

[Defconfx]

is this only fir OBD 2 vehicles, or will it also work on older OBD 1 pre 1996 vehicles?

[123GiantPanda]

E85 doesn't produce more horsepower!

[bigkperformance]

Yes it does I have proven it.

[reffup]

yah it does fool.. it burns hotter and cleaner gives you better compression which in turn gives you more hp...

[ghostcivic99]

acually from what i've been reading E85 cools down your combustion temps, which is better for FORCED INDUCTION vehicles that are privy to DETONATION! so its cheaper and i've seen some pretty impressive numbers, couple guys out here in arizona are running numbers around 500+ on there turbo honda's

[jindagreatlee]

that's because E85 is nothing but race gas. it's rated at 108 octane. In other words the higher the octane the more you can pull power out of your car especially boost. the higher the octane the less the detonation is to happen. there's 2 things to do if your car has detonation. 1) higher octane fuel or 2) pull back the timing. If your car wasn't made to handle high octane you will actually lose power. Ex.. the low compression cars that were tuned on 87 octane.

[josh027020]

It does if you set the engine up for it... 105 octane is equal to race gas, and it absorbs more heat as it vaporizes, like having an intercooler. Do like the last guy, turbo with LOTS of boost

[homeworkandlaundry]

ethanol produce less btu per pound than gasoline does but to reach a stoich fuel ratio you must inject 25-50% more alcohol than gasoline which means that on the same motor with the proper mixture you will have more btu simply by injecting more ethanol to gain more power increasing pressure in the cylinder. Ethanol compared to gasoline equals approx. 106 octane meaning you can run more advanced timing, higher compression and much higher boost

[ssdwellah]

Yes I agree with homeworkandlaundry. The reason using ethanol makes more power is because you burn more of it (per unit mass, combustion actually releases less energy than octane). The reason you are able to burn more of it is because the combustion reaction for ethanol requires more oxygen. Since the engine is going to induct the same amount of air regardless of fuel, you can burn more ethanol per combustion event. Plus everything he said about anti-knock and C/R. :)

[darkciti2]

MPG doesn't matter when the fuel is cheap. If an E85 car gets 10% less miles per gallon, but costs 30% less to fill up, it's a gain in both Horsepower _and_ distance.

Ethanol is the future, I don't think anyone is disputing that... The big question is how do build the infrastructure?

We have to buy E85 locally, and help promote it's use.

Oh yeah, E85 is also good for the environment, AND it cleans your engine.

[123GiantPanda]

What are farmers charging more for? Corn. Who do they feed their corn to? Cows, pigs, and chickens, which means those have to cost more, too. So while food prices go up and up and up, we still can't raise the gas tax to compensate...

And it really isn't that enviromentally friendly, either. When we start producing more corn, we produce fewer soy beans, which means Brazil has to make more to keep up with demand, and cut down more of the rainforest to make way for crops.

[ghostcivic99]

lol wow talk about an uneducated responce...

[whizpup]

greyfalcon. net is a fraudulent front setup by the oil companies. You are so easily duped..!

[hsd0006]

This product is amazing. I was thinking I was going to have to dish out $700 for a kit. Neat stuff.

[ghostcivic99]

um, what are you talking about? E85 is a better fuel than gasoline, doesnt mater who makes the product, as long as it works... one of the reasons our economy is going into a resesion is because of how much gas is costing...

[hdrkid]

Right now I can produce alcohol from restaurant waste, those jellies and pies ferment well.

Stop bashing alcohol. It's the future.

[greyflcn]

Technically he should say 70%

Furthermore, it's not really possible to have this thing work "flexibly" unless you reprogram the car every time you want to go back to gasoline.

[bigkperformance]

I personally know Andy Wicks, he does all of my programing and he is very good tuning cars and the leader in the E85 tunes. This programmer converts your vehicle into a fully flex-fuel vehicle so there would be no need to reprogram when switching back. I agree with mustangmike331 its cheap race fuel, 105 octane out of the pump for less than regular gas why go back to regular fuel. This fuel works especcially well in high compression and force induction engines.

[greyflcn]

It gets great horsepower no doubt.

It just doesn't get good mileage.

Question being, how does the car know which fuel you put into it without a sensor.

Gasoline and E85 have very different air to fuel ratios.

But then again, for the 4.6 billion gallons a year we produce. Each one gets $0.51 cents of subsidy.

Thats $2.34 billion dollars of tax subsidy a year.

It has nothing to do with it being "cheap".

Especially when it gets worse mileage than gasoline

greyfalcon. net/ iowa

[bigkperformance]

Once you program your car the programmer allows the computer to sense the fuel mixture air/fuel ratio and allow for the right tune. Diablos allows a 5% to 85% mixture. An OEM flex fuel vehicle loses 25-28% mileage but Diablos tune is 10-15%

[greyflcn]

How does it sense it.

Without a sensor?

[bigkperformance]

I would have to say the O2 sensor. All PCM vehicles have these sensor they are in the exhaust manifolds or the headers. They sense the emissions in the exhaust and can tell if the fuel/air mixture is rich or lean, and depending on where thats at will adjust either way.

[Membrane556]

The OEM system is likely tuned to minimumize NOx

and run the A/F ratio conservatively BTW I'd like to try his system on my super coupe.

[bigkperformance]

As far as it being cheap if you use Diablos pragrammer you well keep relativly good fuel mileage and it will eventully pay for itself. I'm in SD and we have many Ethonal plants and our farmers have large corn crop yields so I'm giving money to the farmer no OPEC

[greyflcn]

Except that the money doesn't go to a farmer.

The only money that goes towards the farmer is the increased cost of food.

The money that you're paying, and all the subsidies instead goes towards corporations like Archer Daniels Midland and Cargil.

Whats more, corn is a particularly bad fuel source, since you're using more than a gallon of oil to make 1 gallon of ethanol.

greyfalcon. net/ corn

[greyflcn]

Attempting to fight-the-power against OPEC with any sort of BioFuel is just naive or decietful.

greyfalcon. net/ ethanol.png

greyfalcon. net/ ethanol6

greyfalcon. net/ brazil

greyfalcon. net/ sugarsolar

We simply don't have enough land or water resources to accomplish anything with biofuels.

Rather than liberating you from oil, it's merely a method to fool your into complacency.

...And to win votes from farm lobbies.

[Membrane556]

Actually there is a solution cellulose derived ethanol if this can be made cost effective then biofuels could replace oil.

[greyflcn]

==Actually there is a solution cellulose derived ethanol if this can be made cost effective then biofuels could replace oil. ==

Not really.

Cellulosic switchgrass in US climate is half as effective as sugar cane.

What you run up to is the issue that photosynthesis itself is the real bottleneck.

[mustangmike331]

who cares about the milage, it's cheaper racing gas!!!

[mrstickball]

Don't you mean 90% ?

[RocketManF4]

it only gets around 60% of the mileage of gas