Charlie Rose - Nelson Mandela's legacy

[signofthebeast666]

Heroification because he dedicated his life (that's right... his life) to overthrowing an evil oppressive whites-only system of institutionalized hatred. The same people who think Mandela is not a hero, would probably not hesitate to declare as heroes those who were in the WTC when the planes hit. There's no thought involved... it's just feeling. And if one "feels" that black people are below white people, then the rest of the disjointed argument continues from that and nothing else.

[unitedaid]

why the heroification? this coming from an individual who was imprisoned for violence? an individual that mistakened peace for passivity- not strategic nonviolence.

let us heroify those who won his release through strategic nonviolence. let us heroify cesar chavez, mothers of the plaza de mayo argentina, the serbia youth OTPOR, gandhi, etc

mandela was far from a hero. this is to destort history and the broad based methodologies/psychology that broke the apartheid.

[Mazurka1001]

what legacy? in 20 years from the only prosperous african country the most violent society on earth (save for the obamatons in north america)...bullshit. you get mandele or obama, you get zimbabwe, it's just the natural order of things, nothing else. or else is the media smokescreen.

[humayunka]

Mandela is defo a CIA man. He is a hypocrite and a buffoon. It just suits the west to make a hero out of him. I would not shake his hand if he held it out to me. Basically he is loving all the power influence and wealth that fate has handed him on a plate. Lucky but mediocrity personified. He lacks courage when it comes to Mugabe infact it appears he wets his pants when talking on the subject.

[suren1946]

why the Mandela hate?

Are you even South African?

[dTLTb]

A secular saint? You have got to be kidding me? Like most South Africans, I have the utmost respect for the man - but a saint? Research the ANC for God's sake! Bombings, beatings, murders all for the "greater good". I am sorry. He is no saint.

[onebluestone]

I appreciate where you come from. I think it is important that someone hailed as a saint is non-violent.

To my limited knowledge, Mandela used violence to fight a regime that didn't even allow peaceful demonstrations.

When he came out of prison, he came out with messages of forgiveness and reconciliation, not hatred and revenge. That is extremely rare and precious. I don't know what to call it. Saint or a great leader or what. I thank him for standing by truth, forgiveness and peace.

[dTLTb]

There are many people who feel that the reaction of the government to our stay-at-home, ordering the general mobilisation, arming the white community, arresting 10000s of Africans, a show of force throughout the country, notwithstanding our clear declaration that this campaign is being run on peaceful and non-violent lines, closed the chapter as far as out methods of political struggle are concerned.

[dTLTb]

There are many people who feel that it is useless and futile for us to continue talking peace and non-violence against a government whose reply is only savage attacks on an unarmed defenseless people.

[dTLTb]

I think the time has come for us to consider, in the light of our experiences in this stay-at-home, whether the methods we have applied so far are adequate.

[dTLTb]

My apologies for the multiple posts, blame the inadequate 500 character count. The above is from an early interview (1961) with Mandela.

When I first heard these words, it dawned on me just how different things might have been in South Africa today, had the National Party engaged in peaceful negotiations with the ANC back then.

[Hottides]

Bombings, beatings and murders of racists and traitors were necessary to purge South Africa of the vastly greater evil of Apartheid. besides, far greater atrocities were perpetrated by the Apartheid State than by its opponents.