I remember the time on the school playground when I took on 3 fourth graders AT THE SAME TIME, I gave two of them a bloody nose and knocked the 3'rd one clean out, I mean sure, I was 31 at the time, but still, you've got to admit I was pretty good.
People that think Ali ducked Foreman the 2nd time seem to forget that Ali had went through hell and cleaned out the whole heavyweight division, including rematches with frazier and norton to get his belt back. He deserved to have a few easier defenses than Foreman right away. If he did fight Foreman do you think we would still witnessed the thrilla in manila? One of the greastest heavyweight fights ever. George was depressed and nearly got in line for a title shot until he met Jimmy Young...
@nickmatthew1 So we're supposed to give Ali a pass because he was milking the title with soft touch defenses? Ali's supporters always mention Foreman losing to Young, yet that was nearly 3 years after their fight. By then Foreman had already KO'd Frazier and Lyle, a darn sight more than Wepner, Bugner, Dunn, Evangelista, Spinks or Coopman did to earn a shot. Evangelista lost his previous fight to Lorenzo Zanon and still got a title fight with Ali.
What a F###ING PUNK! Hey, bud, you lost, fair and square. Get over it. And it is no dishonor to lose to George Foreman. So what is it with starting a second brawl? All he proved was that he was a sore loser.
Foreman was not severely mentally damaged after Zaire. He was inactive because he was waiting for Ali to give him his rematch and then when he resumed fighting he chased Ali like Johnson chased Burns.
Ali on the other hand never seemed to fancy a second go with George. He sure found time to defend against Wepner, Dunn, Coopman and Evangelista though.
I remember an interview on German television in which Foreman said that he was mentally damaged and that he woke up at nights having nightmares about the fight!
Thank you, Flavius! You are so right. Sure Ali beat Foreman. But why no rematch with Foreman the way Ali had rematches with Frazier and Norton? I think we all know the answer to that.
Yep I always wondered how come Ali didn't give George Foreman a rematch? He gave Leon Spinks a fight who had only 8 pro fights at that time but not George? We all know the answer to that.
@lorenzodemedici1 foreman didnt want anything to do with Ali after the first fight. he went into a two year depression. Ali even said in an interview after the fight that he would give foreman a rematch before fraizier. foreman was just to messed up mentaly to take on the greatest again
This is 1975 right here, and FOreman wants a rematch, by stating it after this event. Ali wouldn't give it to him. Why? The Rope a Dope only works once. Instead Ali would give a 3rd fight to Frazier whom he thought was a shot fighter, he would give Leon Spinks who had only 7 or 8 fights in his career but not a George Forman, it's been stated by everyone that Ali wouldn't give FOreman a rematch.
@lorenzodemedici1 ok then lets hear what george foreman has to say. type in "george foreman interview about ali" in the search bar and click the third one down. "i fought him once and that was enough"
My point being is that he gave someone with 8 pro fights a shot at the HW title and not Foreman? Funny isn't it? He gave in his own words, a shot Frazier another chance at the HW title in '75, but not Foreman. The rope a dope only works once son. I doubt it works again. And no one in their right minds would rate shavers a harder puncher than Foreman. The myth of Ali has become stale and has too many consistencies.
Then youre argument about Foreman & Spinks doesnt work. If Ali actually had a choice in 1978 to fight Spinks or Foreman and he picked Spinks over Foreman, youre argument would work. Foreman was retired by 1978 so that makes no sense. The reason Ali fought Leon Spinks was because he was trying to find a lesser opponent after his big fight with Earnie Shavers. Absolutely nothing to do with why Ali didnt give Foreman a rematch in 1975-76. Two different situations and points in time.
Now with Foreman and Frazier, you actually have an argument cuz Ali actually had a choice to fight Foreman or Frazier in 1975. For one thing, Foreman was in a deep depression in 1975. He recently got divorced, he couldnt get over the Ali loss, etc. Why do you think George took more than a year off between actual fights (the circus in this video doesnt count)? Does Foreman in this 4/26/1975 video seem like he really deserves a shot at Ali? Its embarrassing. 1975 Frazier was a better choice.
Yeah the 1975 Frazier was definitely a better choice, because Frazier was deemed a shot fighter by the ALi camp. You know easy pickings. But it turns out Frazier was willing to die in the ring that night, until Eddie Futch threw in the towel.
Ring Magazine all time hardest punchers (top 100): #9 Foreman, #10 Shavers. Shavers in 2001 was called the "Puncher of the Century" by some recognized boxing publication. Thats all I can remember off the top of my head. The thing that counts the most is actual boxers like Ron Lyle and Ali who fought both guys saying Shavers hit harder than Foreman. Ill do more research if you like.
My point is Shavers is at least close enough in punching power to Foreman to say that Ali beating him in 15 rounds in 1977 is impressive and Ali definitely couldve handled the lesser, depressed Foreman of 1975-76. Foreman was never the same mentally or in the ring in 1975-76. Theres no legit reason why Ali wouldve ducked that Foreman. Ali wouldve beaten him even worse than he did in Africa. Foreman couldnt take Ali mentally the 1st fight. How could he function in a rematch?
Yeah yeah, it's all speculation, it's like saying Tyson would beat Frazier, you never know and it's speculation. All I know is that Ali gave a guy with 7 or 8 fights a shot at the HW title, but wouldn't give Foreman one for years! The rope a dope works once, how is he going to fight FOreman a 2nd time around? Dancing? Ali lost his legs already? ANd Foreman and shavers are 2 entirely different fighters, to try and say they are the same because of the power is laughable.
Ali didn't get into Foreman's head, what he did was make Foreman tired then took him out. Another 1 of the Ali myths, sort of like the myth that Frazier quit in the 3rd match and was scared of ALi and didn't want to come out.
Foreman had retired by 1978 when Ali fought Leon Spinks. Big George was one fight away from getting a title shot from Ali, all he had to do was beat Jimmy Young but he lost the 12 round decision (Who was a fast moving and intelligent boxer like Ali) After the fight in the dressing room was when George passed out and woke up claiming that he was a new born man. He saw the light as he claimed, thought he had been crucified which made him believe blood was pouring from him.
Plus Foreman was messed up mentally & was never the same fighter after the Ali loss. Just watch this video. Knowing Foreman mental state and knowing that Ali beat Earnie Shavers---who many boxing experts say punched even harder than Foreman—in 1977, you would have to give an edge to Ali in a rematch.
Ali....why did you duck George after the fight time and time again?
rooseguitar64 3 months ago
I remember the time on the school playground when I took on 3 fourth graders AT THE SAME TIME, I gave two of them a bloody nose and knocked the 3'rd one clean out, I mean sure, I was 31 at the time, but still, you've got to admit I was pretty good.
SunsetSupermanRMB 4 months ago 2
@SunsetSupermanRMB Hell yeah man that's some tough shit ! LOL can you put up some vids of your self all
of us can learn? I might want to go after two first graders just so I don't have to take as big as a rick as you took,
but still risky. LOL
JMatos95 3 months ago
judge has some balls
australiafinest 8 months ago
a typical Don King "entertainment" production...
...this is about the level of boxing as it is NOW (2011)
FijneWIET 11 months ago
I've never seen such a big audience watching a sparring session before
FijneWIET 11 months ago
what happened at the end of the fight ? somebody knows ? why did he pushed him ?
ChujCiWJedzenie 1 year ago
@ChujCiWJedzenie
Foreman said something to Judge that Judge didn't like.
torchkit 1 year ago
i cannot understand why people are booing george ??
ChujCiWJedzenie 1 year ago
wow this is crazy u gotta respect this 5 fights in one night jeez
FuckPeople91 1 year ago
People that think Ali ducked Foreman the 2nd time seem to forget that Ali had went through hell and cleaned out the whole heavyweight division, including rematches with frazier and norton to get his belt back. He deserved to have a few easier defenses than Foreman right away. If he did fight Foreman do you think we would still witnessed the thrilla in manila? One of the greastest heavyweight fights ever. George was depressed and nearly got in line for a title shot until he met Jimmy Young...
nickmatthew1 1 year ago
@nickmatthew1 So we're supposed to give Ali a pass because he was milking the title with soft touch defenses? Ali's supporters always mention Foreman losing to Young, yet that was nearly 3 years after their fight. By then Foreman had already KO'd Frazier and Lyle, a darn sight more than Wepner, Bugner, Dunn, Evangelista, Spinks or Coopman did to earn a shot. Evangelista lost his previous fight to Lorenzo Zanon and still got a title fight with Ali.
FlaviusConstantius 1 year ago
u guys are stupid if u think any of these 5 fighters are even 50% of what foreman is
he wouldve literall severaly damaged each boxer 2 at a time
blackoil911 1 year ago
ali was such a dick.
sedod66 2 years ago
Damn y they don't do this anymore?
biglalways 2 years ago
who was it that ali was fighting that night in orlando?anyone msg me back plz?...
ammaco 2 years ago
fuking LOL at 3:36 to 3:56.evils stares,ali laughing thinking george is a crazy fool,george staring at ali like wtf are u laughing about.classic.
ammaco 2 years ago
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uzikal 2 years ago
You can't fool me! You're prolly just WHITE TRASH talkin smack tryin to be sumptin you aint! Grow up, cake eating cracka! HA!!!
Just4Meeeee 2 years ago
when the greatest fighter God ever made talks you better listen...
onlyjoetee 2 years ago
you better hide you coward.
boxingatitsbest 2 years ago
@onlyjoetee Tyson?
Ranteal 1 year ago
five men he's a bad muthafucka
brooklynfunnyman 2 years ago
This is too funny...Johnson does rope-a-dope and Foreman gets ANGRY! Pulls him to the middle so he can beat him up. lol
ph1484 2 years ago
@ph1484 i know right
it's funny
he's like
oh hell no!! get yo ass in the middle of the ring xD
george foreman is funny
Urdead264 2 years ago
What a F###ING PUNK! Hey, bud, you lost, fair and square. Get over it. And it is no dishonor to lose to George Foreman. So what is it with starting a second brawl? All he proved was that he was a sore loser.
drexelur1 2 years ago
wait now I remember that name its Alonzo Johnson. ALi fought him while when they were just journeymen in the 60's
Automatic25 2 years ago
I understand Foreman was SEVERELY damaged mentally after losing to Ali, but this display was pathetic.
ihatelifejosemartine 2 years ago 2
Foreman was not severely mentally damaged after Zaire. He was inactive because he was waiting for Ali to give him his rematch and then when he resumed fighting he chased Ali like Johnson chased Burns.
Ali on the other hand never seemed to fancy a second go with George. He sure found time to defend against Wepner, Dunn, Coopman and Evangelista though.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
I remember an interview on German television in which Foreman said that he was mentally damaged and that he woke up at nights having nightmares about the fight!
mjhaan 2 years ago 2
That is absolute;ly right! Ducked him for years.
polytide50 2 years ago
Thank you, Flavius! You are so right. Sure Ali beat Foreman. But why no rematch with Foreman the way Ali had rematches with Frazier and Norton? I think we all know the answer to that.
drexelur1 2 years ago
Yep I always wondered how come Ali didn't give George Foreman a rematch? He gave Leon Spinks a fight who had only 8 pro fights at that time but not George? We all know the answer to that.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
@lorenzodemedici1 foreman didnt want anything to do with Ali after the first fight. he went into a two year depression. Ali even said in an interview after the fight that he would give foreman a rematch before fraizier. foreman was just to messed up mentaly to take on the greatest again
Wyso810 2 years ago
This is 1975 right here, and FOreman wants a rematch, by stating it after this event. Ali wouldn't give it to him. Why? The Rope a Dope only works once. Instead Ali would give a 3rd fight to Frazier whom he thought was a shot fighter, he would give Leon Spinks who had only 7 or 8 fights in his career but not a George Forman, it's been stated by everyone that Ali wouldn't give FOreman a rematch.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
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@lorenzodemedici1 ok then lets hear what george foreman has to say. type in "george foreman interview about ali" in the search bar and click the third one down. "i fought him once and that was enough"
Wyso810 2 years ago
his health detiorated after that fight
endzone245 2 years ago
Foreman was retired & preaching by the time Ali fought Spinks. How can you make an argument without knowing that?
hjones12333 2 years ago
My point being is that he gave someone with 8 pro fights a shot at the HW title and not Foreman? Funny isn't it? He gave in his own words, a shot Frazier another chance at the HW title in '75, but not Foreman. The rope a dope only works once son. I doubt it works again. And no one in their right minds would rate shavers a harder puncher than Foreman. The myth of Ali has become stale and has too many consistencies.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
Then youre argument about Foreman & Spinks doesnt work. If Ali actually had a choice in 1978 to fight Spinks or Foreman and he picked Spinks over Foreman, youre argument would work. Foreman was retired by 1978 so that makes no sense. The reason Ali fought Leon Spinks was because he was trying to find a lesser opponent after his big fight with Earnie Shavers. Absolutely nothing to do with why Ali didnt give Foreman a rematch in 1975-76. Two different situations and points in time.
hjonesI2333 2 years ago
Now with Foreman and Frazier, you actually have an argument cuz Ali actually had a choice to fight Foreman or Frazier in 1975. For one thing, Foreman was in a deep depression in 1975. He recently got divorced, he couldnt get over the Ali loss, etc. Why do you think George took more than a year off between actual fights (the circus in this video doesnt count)? Does Foreman in this 4/26/1975 video seem like he really deserves a shot at Ali? Its embarrassing. 1975 Frazier was a better choice.
hjonesI2333 2 years ago
Yeah the 1975 Frazier was definitely a better choice, because Frazier was deemed a shot fighter by the ALi camp. You know easy pickings. But it turns out Frazier was willing to die in the ring that night, until Eddie Futch threw in the towel.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
Ring Magazine all time hardest punchers (top 100): #9 Foreman, #10 Shavers. Shavers in 2001 was called the "Puncher of the Century" by some recognized boxing publication. Thats all I can remember off the top of my head. The thing that counts the most is actual boxers like Ron Lyle and Ali who fought both guys saying Shavers hit harder than Foreman. Ill do more research if you like.
hjonesI2333 2 years ago
My point is Shavers is at least close enough in punching power to Foreman to say that Ali beating him in 15 rounds in 1977 is impressive and Ali definitely couldve handled the lesser, depressed Foreman of 1975-76. Foreman was never the same mentally or in the ring in 1975-76. Theres no legit reason why Ali wouldve ducked that Foreman. Ali wouldve beaten him even worse than he did in Africa. Foreman couldnt take Ali mentally the 1st fight. How could he function in a rematch?
hjonesI2333 2 years ago
Yeah yeah, it's all speculation, it's like saying Tyson would beat Frazier, you never know and it's speculation. All I know is that Ali gave a guy with 7 or 8 fights a shot at the HW title, but wouldn't give Foreman one for years! The rope a dope works once, how is he going to fight FOreman a 2nd time around? Dancing? Ali lost his legs already? ANd Foreman and shavers are 2 entirely different fighters, to try and say they are the same because of the power is laughable.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
Ali didn't get into Foreman's head, what he did was make Foreman tired then took him out. Another 1 of the Ali myths, sort of like the myth that Frazier quit in the 3rd match and was scared of ALi and didn't want to come out.
lorenzodemedici1 2 years ago
@lorenzodemedici1
Foreman had retired by 1978 when Ali fought Leon Spinks. Big George was one fight away from getting a title shot from Ali, all he had to do was beat Jimmy Young but he lost the 12 round decision (Who was a fast moving and intelligent boxer like Ali) After the fight in the dressing room was when George passed out and woke up claiming that he was a new born man. He saw the light as he claimed, thought he had been crucified which made him believe blood was pouring from him.
nickmatthew1 1 year ago
@hjones12333 ahahah foreman won the belt at the age of 46 u rem
NDGVTODD 1 month ago
Plus Foreman was messed up mentally & was never the same fighter after the Ali loss. Just watch this video. Knowing Foreman mental state and knowing that Ali beat Earnie Shavers---who many boxing experts say punched even harder than Foreman—in 1977, you would have to give an edge to Ali in a rematch.
hjones12333 2 years ago
@ihatelifejosemartine
naw look at foreman now , sure ali beat foreman but i always respect boxers in the 70s than boxers in our era
look at our old hero foreman vs the young holyfield
frazier foreman and ali were basically the best heavyweights..
blackoil911 1 year ago
why the fuck does Ali keep biting his lip?
Automatic25 2 years ago
He's agitated by the fact that Foreman knocked out that guy. I think he was Ali's sparring partner? Not sure..
RegistrationCop 2 years ago
Putting on his own show like Cosell says at 2:12
mjhaan 2 years ago
Tough mug
ph1484 2 years ago
he's had a few pills, can't stop chewing his gums
erelamadferit 2 years ago
Ali's comments crack me up. Ali-Cosell: what a team!
tintinesk2 2 years ago