@bestamerica And the original reason for gun control. No guns or crossbows to filthy peasents, as they might kill a propper gentleman knight for hideous thing like equal protection under the law and civil rights. So many remarks regaurding modern gun control here.
@akinorhan5 Tempering steel doesn't make it unbreakable, it makes it springy. It will absorb shock and rebound. And it takes more force to flex it than without the tempering process.
@crokiller7 A one handed sword might put a dent in it at best but otherwise would be pretty useless. Armor was pretty impervious to most common weapons of the time which spawned a series of anti-armor weapons. Crows beaks, warhammers, estocs, and maces with flanges instead of studs. Only weapons with some mass behind them could pierce plate.
Carbon doesn't "flow" in the iron all. The heat causes the iron molecules to open up enough to allow the carbon into the structure, (only within a certain temp range)The point of quenching is to bring iron to the point where that happens, and quickly lower the temp before the carbon moves back out of the molecule. If you make metal "fluid" its already melted and you have gone WAY past the point of tempering. Go read about metallurgy, not watch youtube. BTW thanks Jeyerd for posting vid!
That wasn't hardened at all. In order for quenching to harden the metal, you have to heat it to the critical point, which is the point at which the heat makes the metal non-magnetic. Before this point, the metal is not fluid enough to allow the carbon to freely flow in the metal. Spring steel is a hard metal because blades made out of it will hold their edge quite nicely.
Don't know if anyone has answered this for you yet. No, it does not work with stainless steel. Stainless steel is mild steel with a high degree of molybdenum and chromium. It lacks the amount of carbon needed for heat treating to harden it. Heating and cooling stainless steel will ironically make it softer.
In order for steel to be hardened it needs a high carbon content. Mild steel does not have the carbon content needed. High carbon steel is naturally soft until its heat treated as shown above.
Mild (soft) steel can have some carbon added to in in certain case hardening processes to make it harder but it is difficult to get it right. If you look around you might find some of the kits.
Spring steel is the same as high carbon steel. However, the carbon content is fairly low with just enough to retain its "springy" properties. Its definitely not the "best" to make armor or weapons out of but it is one of the easiest to acquire these days as a trip to the junkyard will get you plenty from car springs.
4130 is probably one of the better alloys to make armor out of while something in the 8's is better for weapons.
Is that so? I thought you take high carbon steel and do Differential Tempering to make Spring steel That is the best steel for making weapons and armour...
High carbon steel is not universal in carbon content. There is a wide range of "high carbon" steels to choose from and even more which are alloys. Spring steel which is more often than not taken from car springs as its the easiest to come by contains a higher degree of silicon and barely has carbon enough to meet armor requirements. This requires more metal needed to add extra strength but adding more weight. Not good for armor or weapons.
Barely has carbon enough to meet armor requirements? What are you talking about? Then why would they even call it high carbon? If is not high carbon, it is not high in carbon. There is very Low, Low, medium, high, very high carbon steels. And may be different type of them.
Is that so? Then how heavy is a plate front and back?
Then what is this Hardened Steel Breastplate in this video?
High carbon steel is a term thats mis-used more often than not. The steel in question is at the bottom of the medium steel range. Its alloyed with a higher degree of silicone to give it stiffness and not be affected by heat or wear from bending as much.
Armor is meant to be as light but as tempered as possible. The front can be as thick as 14ga. and the back as thin as 22ga. This applies to armors and legs as well.
Steel is NOT naturally an alloy. Steel is iron and carbon.
Can car spring steels be used for armor and weapons? Sure they can. Are they the best? No way! If I wanted to make a machette or an axe or something with a thick inflexible blade I could use spring steel just fine since I'm only looking for hardness and not tempered flexibility.
If I wanted to make real armor thats lightweight while offering good protection I would used something unadluterated from the 1050-60 or 1500 SAE range or even better a 4100+ alloy similar to Spanish/German steel.
stainless steel can contain enough carbon so it can be hardened and tempered. if that wouldn't be the case, almost all kitchen knives would be quite a pain to work with! a steel's ability to harden depends almost solely on its carbon content. so, no matter how much cromium it contains.
Someone PLEASE tell me what show this is! I would really appreciate it :3
321crap 1 month ago
@321crap Weapons that made britain presented by Mike Loades
doug12341988 1 week ago in playlist weapons that made britain
lol, I love his little proud smile at the end ^^
flyingtoothpaste 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"arrows will bounce off that"
i need that one for my knee !
Bamlikebambam 2 months ago
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a heavy gun with strong bullet can go throught this steelshield
bestamerica 7 months ago
@bestamerica And who would be dumb enough to wear that when facing someone with a gun?
DiabolusIgnis 5 months ago
@bestamerica Yeah. Funny that.
ASaxonAtHeart 4 months ago
@bestamerica And the original reason for gun control. No guns or crossbows to filthy peasents, as they might kill a propper gentleman knight for hideous thing like equal protection under the law and civil rights. So many remarks regaurding modern gun control here.
mojothemigo 2 months ago
does that not break? i will hard hss high speed steel i have harded my cutter knife
akinorhan5 9 months ago
@akinorhan5 Tempering steel doesn't make it unbreakable, it makes it springy. It will absorb shock and rebound. And it takes more force to flex it than without the tempering process.
Lukos0036 6 months ago
@Lukos0036 Well it also makes it stronger to by increasing the hardness...
xxTeutonicKnightxx 3 months ago
@brainplay
Thanks man that explains a lot ;D
crokiller7 11 months ago
So, just a quick question ? :/
Could a sword penetrate this, like let say in combat, with a soldier wearing it ?
Is it even possible to pierce a metal armor with a direct pierce ?? :/
crokiller7 11 months ago
@crokiller7 A one handed sword might put a dent in it at best but otherwise would be pretty useless. Armor was pretty impervious to most common weapons of the time which spawned a series of anti-armor weapons. Crows beaks, warhammers, estocs, and maces with flanges instead of studs. Only weapons with some mass behind them could pierce plate.
brainplay 11 months ago
2:44am Tuesday (CST) - Time in Mississippi
GelandnaleG 1 year ago
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GelandnaleG 1 year ago
that's what they all say...
Poitierswarbows 1 year ago
It's very beutyful.
kratzzjapp17 1 year ago
really nicely rounded, good on ya mate!
kazesamurai1000 1 year ago
Its nice to see someone take pride in his work
amadeus987 2 years ago 18
Carbon doesn't "flow" in the iron all. The heat causes the iron molecules to open up enough to allow the carbon into the structure, (only within a certain temp range)The point of quenching is to bring iron to the point where that happens, and quickly lower the temp before the carbon moves back out of the molecule. If you make metal "fluid" its already melted and you have gone WAY past the point of tempering. Go read about metallurgy, not watch youtube. BTW thanks Jeyerd for posting vid!
celticwarrior916 2 years ago 3
That wasn't hardened at all. In order for quenching to harden the metal, you have to heat it to the critical point, which is the point at which the heat makes the metal non-magnetic. Before this point, the metal is not fluid enough to allow the carbon to freely flow in the metal. Spring steel is a hard metal because blades made out of it will hold their edge quite nicely.
noxagol 2 years ago
@noxagol you only need to get just enough to see red to get it non magnetic and hot enough to allow tempering, so yah it was hardened,
spleegulence 1 year ago
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ive made one !
medievalarmour147 2 years ago
The smithy there could use some longer tongs
EGCblackknight 2 years ago
Nice. Blue is around 500 C, isn't it?
usernamedoamaral 3 years ago
Great Made in Italy in Milan of the XVth Cnt! :P
callimacos 3 years ago 2
"arrows will bounce off that"
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I WANT ONE!
Tshaikovsky 3 years ago 18
@Tshaikovsky wait till you see the type 16 quenched steel arrow heads-they will not bounce off in all cases
minxel16 9 months ago
there is of course an easier way to get the right tempering temperature... burn it in the right oil (neatsfoot?) and just burn it all off.
oh, and there are no molucules in steel, really. it's a cristal in a sense, that's why all of this works...
airnt 3 years ago
yeah very cool!
doug12341988 3 years ago
Can this work with Stainless Steel?
255Knights 3 years ago
Don't know if anyone has answered this for you yet. No, it does not work with stainless steel. Stainless steel is mild steel with a high degree of molybdenum and chromium. It lacks the amount of carbon needed for heat treating to harden it. Heating and cooling stainless steel will ironically make it softer.
brainplay 3 years ago
Dos it work with soft steel? Or only high carbon Steel?
255Knights 3 years ago
In order for steel to be hardened it needs a high carbon content. Mild steel does not have the carbon content needed. High carbon steel is naturally soft until its heat treated as shown above.
Mild (soft) steel can have some carbon added to in in certain case hardening processes to make it harder but it is difficult to get it right. If you look around you might find some of the kits.
brainplay 3 years ago
I've heard that spring steel is the best steel for making weapons and armour out of
JonasIsdiaNeravar 2 years ago
Spring steel is the same as high carbon steel. However, the carbon content is fairly low with just enough to retain its "springy" properties. Its definitely not the "best" to make armor or weapons out of but it is one of the easiest to acquire these days as a trip to the junkyard will get you plenty from car springs.
4130 is probably one of the better alloys to make armor out of while something in the 8's is better for weapons.
brainplay 2 years ago 2
okay, you seem to know a lot about steel. Thanks for the info!
JonasIsdiaNeravar 2 years ago
Is that so? I thought you take high carbon steel and do Differential Tempering to make Spring steel That is the best steel for making weapons and armour...
255Knights 2 years ago
High carbon steel is not universal in carbon content. There is a wide range of "high carbon" steels to choose from and even more which are alloys. Spring steel which is more often than not taken from car springs as its the easiest to come by contains a higher degree of silicon and barely has carbon enough to meet armor requirements. This requires more metal needed to add extra strength but adding more weight. Not good for armor or weapons.
brainplay 2 years ago
Barely has carbon enough to meet armor requirements? What are you talking about? Then why would they even call it high carbon? If is not high carbon, it is not high in carbon. There is very Low, Low, medium, high, very high carbon steels. And may be different type of them.
Is that so? Then how heavy is a plate front and back?
Then what is this Hardened Steel Breastplate in this video?
Then how is Spring steel is made?
Look Steel is a alloy.
255Knights 2 years ago
High carbon steel is a term thats mis-used more often than not. The steel in question is at the bottom of the medium steel range. Its alloyed with a higher degree of silicone to give it stiffness and not be affected by heat or wear from bending as much.
Armor is meant to be as light but as tempered as possible. The front can be as thick as 14ga. and the back as thin as 22ga. This applies to armors and legs as well.
Steel is NOT naturally an alloy. Steel is iron and carbon.
brainplay 2 years ago 4
Can car spring steels be used for armor and weapons? Sure they can. Are they the best? No way! If I wanted to make a machette or an axe or something with a thick inflexible blade I could use spring steel just fine since I'm only looking for hardness and not tempered flexibility.
If I wanted to make real armor thats lightweight while offering good protection I would used something unadluterated from the 1050-60 or 1500 SAE range or even better a 4100+ alloy similar to Spanish/German steel.
brainplay 2 years ago
huh, I have to say, you were rite about the silicone stuff, I did some looking up. So 4100+ alloy similar to Spanish/German steel???
255Knights 2 years ago
Is that so? I thought you take high carbon steel, and do Differential Tempering to make Spring steel
255Knights 2 years ago
stainless steel can contain enough carbon so it can be hardened and tempered. if that wouldn't be the case, almost all kitchen knives would be quite a pain to work with! a steel's ability to harden depends almost solely on its carbon content. so, no matter how much cromium it contains.
xkrapfui 3 years ago
nice video! Thanks for uploading
gobwar 3 years ago