@Tigersfishtanks Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
Wow, that really rubs me the wrong way that he just thinks it's so obvious and black and white; it IS debatable. Just because you aren't CURRENTLY READY for marriage QUITE YET doesn't mean your motives for dating aren't to find the one you EVENTUALLY WILL marry, or that you will be sexually active. Some of the most happily married, on-fire-for-God people I know will go on record to say they don't regret dating before their spouse, because it taught them alot, and they didn't give themselves away
Amen!! Great message here. Can I borrow your daughter for a few years? I'm not mature enough for marriage. I have no intention to marry her...I'm not in the marriage season....I just want to hang out with her, become emotionally attached and maybe have sexual contact sometimes.
It is annoying to think some people, deserve do to certain things and others deserve lesser things because of artificial merits set through 'man-made' law and social constructs. We are all in the soup bowl together, we all got here together because God saw us all as the same. Hence, if I am daring enough to ask my neighbor's daughter's time so that I get to know her before I jump into conclusion about marrying her, then I should also be daring to do the same to the Pastor's daughter.
Plus, assuming that I ultimately want to get to know that woman just fulfill my selfish social and sexual needs is disrespectful. Marriage is not just a mechanism to procreate, it is the foundation to build a good family. If total strangers are to start to be the foundations of a family, we'd end up with troubled families raising troubled children. Dating is important, what you DO on a date however should NOT be generalized and equated to a typical date in a Hollywood flick. We're NOT DUMB!
You need to start thinking for yourselfs. People, listen up,...if you are attracted to someone, wether it be a man, or a woman, dont waste time worrying about wether god will send you to hell or not, live ya life, go ask the man/woman out,..go out have a good time, take care of each other, express yourselves with each other in every loving way you can possibly think of, be safe, and sensible, be kind and live your life, helping others wen you can. Dont be threatened by cults like this.
I think you are all mad for even considering taking this idiots advice. By all means do what you got to do, but if you need guidence of this guy, then you need to seriously evaluate your life. Alot of the time, when there not dictating a base line set of rules on how to live your life according to gods will, they are just preaching good practise and common sense. Theres this bullshit idea that religious people believ that common sense and morals only come from a gods guidence. Your
I don't agree with this guy at all. Some people want to date people and NEVER get married. That is OK. In this day in age, alot of people don't want to get married, but want a good conversation. No, they won't have sex, but there is nothing wrong with dating someone who you are not planing on marrying.
i'm a Christian but i disagree. i understand where he's coming from-HOWEVER, like eingram21 said...i think if ultimately, your goal IS marriage one day...it's fine. i think if dating is used as a time to get intimate with someone-getting to know them and grow with them not only as a couple but getting closer to God...then i think it's fine. otherwise, yeah...dating just for fun or just to "hook up" is obviously wrong. how else would you know if someone is truly fit for marriage? you simply DATE.
@WHN When he mean not ready to marry. He mean teenager who can't legally get marry buddy because of their age. He simply saying don't date someone you can't see yourself marrying or wait until your 18 basicly.
He explained this issue quite well. This principle is not only for young people, but also applied to old-enough single Christians. If you don't have an intention to marry to the person, don't meet the person one on one. See the person in a public context (group). If you love God, you love His children, thus you want to protect their emotion and the future. Casual / trial dating is not from God.
Jesus, you people are delusional. To be honest, if your daughters are anything like the brain washed lost soul that you are, then i wouldnt go near them with a stick. What are you talkin about anyhow..? Dating is what you start with and then you mix it with one night stands or having a fuck buddy. When two people date, its because they are naturally attracted to each othe, neither one of them actually knows if its going to go anywhere,..thats the whole point of dating, dick.
@soMeRandoM670 - disrespectfull ??, listen, its you lot that are ignorant. telling folk how to live, and threatening those who dont follow god with eternal hell, your life is your life, you get one shot, thats all, just one crack of the whip[. Theres no right way and wrong way of how to live, just dont hurt each other, so stick ya self righteous head back up ya own arse where its been for the past god knows how long and stop with the bullshit.
@Pikesterful It's not us who are telling you how to live, it is God. But living a moral life is not the end goal, the end goal is to know and love Jesus, repent of your sins and come to saving faith in Christ.
@Pikesterful I kinda find it interesting that you are saying there's no right or wrong way to live your life, yet you've also pronounced that all people not hurt each other and not tell each other what to do. Sorry, but you just did tell people how they should live their life. Where does the authority to tell people they can't hurt each other or be judgmental come from? Who gave it to you? Not saying these are bad things, but your logic falls on its own sword.
@lifesglorydead Listen chap, if your not intelligent enough to realise that hurting people is wrong, and that it comes under a natural moral obligation, which is manifested by nothing but your own self and conciousness, then im afraid im going to bid farewell to this conversation and yourself because i have no more time to waste on responding to the likes
@Pikesterful I'm not saying hurting people isn't wrong. Hell, I'm a pacifist. My point is that there are people out there who DON'T believe that, and you saying they're wrong is in fact telling people how to live their life, something you said was wrong. I'm only using your own argument.
@lifesglorydead - using my own argument?,..your talking crap, been opposing deliberately. All you religious fundementalists are the same, you lot would argue till your blue in the face, you guys like nothing better than a rut with an atheist. And just because something that is obviously non-existent can not be proven to not exist, you guys get to call us agnostic?,.. told you, humans have a natural moral obligation, those who hurt others are not mentally stable. its obvious
@Pikesterful Truth be told, I don't like arguing very much, especially with atheists. It doesn't put forth a very loving image. I only want to encourage that people actually consider both sides of a point instead of blindly following one or the other. Just like how in my life, I struggle with just blindly believing in God instead of actually having reasons to do believe. I humbly apologize if I have come off as hostile/offensive. It's not my intention to be a dick and just argue.
@soMeRandoM670 - disrespectful!?,..ill tell you whats disrespectful, mass murder, rape, invasions, bastardisation of countries, and all in the name of the god that you want me and others to bow down to, and let tell us what to do and how to live with our lives,...erm,...no thanks, its bullshit, and evolution proves this. Besides, i can do a better job of my own life than god could ever do, looking at what has happened in the name of your god. twat
I love listening to Mark Driscoll preach. I think he does a better job teaching God's word than anybody else I've ever heard. But, this is the one and only topic I've heard from him that i don't agree with. I think dating is perfectly fine for two young people who aren't ready for marriage. I think it's good practice that can prepare you for marriage. As long as you aren't sinning I think it's ok. When someone is prepared to marry, then they should be looking for a spouse and not just someone t
@jsimm9 I agree with you that Driscoll has the gift of preaching, and he's great to listen to. But all Godly preaching will both encourage us and challenge us. That may come out as us "disagreeing" with what is preached. I do not say blindly listen and follow... but prayerfully reflect using the Bible. I'm not going to debate this issue, just ask 2 questions: how is dating good practice for marriage, in a way that good friendships aren't? And is sinning the action or the attitude toward God?
@juanbandito Nowhere. You can't prove scientifically that anything DOESN'T exist silly. You make the claim, then prove it ;) observe the facts and tell me what could possibly lead to a conclusion of that sort.
@URTemplar The basic unit of matter is a molecule. Explain to me how the first molecule came about. How can you make something out of nothing? The same argument can go for creationism however you mentioned "Science" so lets stick to that topic when you reply.
@juanbandito Son, what the hell are you talking about? The "basic units" are sub-atomic particles. And no, something must have come from something. We have theories, but we don't know that (yet). Does that mean any god exist? NO ;)
So you can go on and stop making excuses for your lack of evidence. How can you possibly now that ANY god exists?
@URTemplar Well SON, you've made a harmless argument into a "U MAD?" war. And I wasn't defending anyone set of beliefs. I simply suggested that there's really no way you can prove there is none or for the matter that if there is. But, I guess what they say is true "Don't feed the trolls." You obviously came here for a reaction. So you win if that what helps you sleep at night.
@juanbandito ... dude, I just said I'm an agnostic. There is no way to prove either way :P I can't say "there is no god" as well as I can't say "there is a god".
lol, I do troll sometimes, but this wasn't one of those, I really thought you wanted to show a proof for something when you told me to "prove that he doesn't exist". And trust, I'd love to see an evidence for a change...
Love this... I'm only 20 and this is what I've believed since forever! You need to be ready to take on the responsibility. Think about the person's heart. Do you really want to scar that other person and emotionally compromise them just for a little while and then shatter their hearts when you decide you have had enough? I absolutely agree with this.
No, this guy is wrong. You don't 'use' someone, you spend time with them and find out if you are emotionally compatible. I know of plenty of adults who met when they were 15-17 years old and stayed together for life, and their marriages are usually more 'stable' than those who meet when they are older, because they know each other so well.
No, you are wrong! You do not understand a biblical relationship. Emotionally compatible? Thats a joke! No, if you see that a girl/guy is attractive, you enjoy their company, and he or she loves the Lord and truly desires for a deeper understanding of holiness and wants to live a God fearing life. The relationship WILL work, we as Americans have such a western social view on dating, we have conformed like Romans 12:1-2 tells us NOT to do!!!!! Get married, dont date for fun!
@ItsSolaFide You do understand that your comment makes absolutely no sense? "No, if you see that a girl/guy is attractive, you enjoy their company, and he or she loves the Lord and truly desires for a deeper understanding of holiness" is incoherent, please do explain what you meant. As I previously stated, there is nothing wrong with 'dating' as the whole point of it is to eventually lead to marriage. How exactly do you suggest one meets his spouse? Organised marriages?
My comment makes total sense. Marry an attractive girl that you can stand being around and that loves Jesus. You dont have to be "emotionally compatible", whatever that is. Christians MAKE relationships work! Im not opposed to arranged marriages, but no it does not have to be arranged, two people can court and bring their parents into the relationship to keep them accountable. If not parents, some Godly couple.
@ItsSolaFide No it didn't. Your a fool whom contradicts himself with every word! If the only thing that matters in life is God then why do you need to marry 'an attractive girl'? Surely in your logic that is selfish! For one ONLY lives to serve the Lord! You have a warped view on life and the Bible.
@Epionea If you're a Christian I would strongly urge you not to treat your brothers and sisters harshly. ridicule & insults are not necessary. If you disagree, talk it out; If someone is in sin, rebuke them. But do so in love & humility
@Epionea you called ItsSolaFide a fool. it's right there "Your a fool whom contradicts himself with every word" That's an insult
i don't agree with what he said, but I don't like atheists logging onto YouTube & seeing Christians being hostile towards one another. Although I'm not attacking you right now, you're probably just going to get angry, so don't expect me to get into a lengthy argument; If you & I disagree, I'm just gonna leave it at this
@lonewolf0017 I call em' like I see em'. Also, if you claim calling someone a fool is insulting then you'd better get off Driscoll's videos considering he calls people 'loosers' repeatedly during one sermon, that's pretty insulting - you gonna complain to him too? Didn't think so.
Who cares what Atheists see? Better me to tell him clearly now then for him to go spout his mouth on other videos and make Christianity look stupid.
@Epionea , 1st you deny it, & now you're justifying it. Are Christians called to imitate Jesus or Imitate Mark Driscoll? He's a sinner just like me & you; not perfect. Can you say that because multiple people do the same thing it's edifying?
You should care about living out the gospel in front of Atheists, that they might be saved. It's one of the things we're called to do. It's best to tell you now before you get into more senseless arguments;
@lonewolf0017 I'm not justifying anything, calling a fool a fool is the truth, not an insult. The Christian's on Driscoll's videos tend to attempt both, these 'super churches' are very much an American phenomena in which the 'paster' becomes almost a figure of worship himself.
You reek of pride. So maybe you should help yourself before 'helping' others.
@Epionea What I said was something that I just learned: speak in love. (2 tim 23-25) If we don't disagree about the doctrines of trinity & grace, it's not a big deal. A fool is defined by Proverbs 29:11, 18:2, 9:8 or psalm 14:1, etc. Mark is wrong sometimes & just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make him a fool.
I wont just judge you, condemn, & say “That’s it. Good luck” My goal isnt to destroy you, but to serve you. That being said, I am prideful. & by God's grace i pursue humility
God isnt the only thing that matters to me, but He is by far the most important thing to me. He is so important that it actually shapes how I live my life, including *if* and who I marry. What a concept, a Christian being transformed by the Holy Spirit! No, that is not selfish at all! Attraction has been given to us by God. Read Song of Solomon. Now, attraction does grow on people as they get to know one another, just ask my courting partner, Im ugly and she thinks I look good!
Geez dude you are seriously one of the dumbest people I have ever talked to, thats just putting it bluntly. I DO NOT AGREE WITH DATING!!!! Is that clear enough? However, dating is not sinful. BUT it is best NOT to date! A hypocrite? No a hypocrite would be if I was saying that it is damning for a person to have a girlfriend, and I have a girlfriend myself. You my friend are an idiot and I am done with the conversation. Pearls to swine here!!!
@ItsSolaFide What a very Christian reply you have given me, I can feel the love and humility! You said very clearly that you are currently dating, yet you condemn and say you 'shouldn't' date to others! Let me spell it out to you - H Y P O C R I T E.
I actually agree with Mark on this issue. What's the point of being emotionally connected to someone when it's years before you can take your relationship any further. Imagine your 16 and want to date. If that relationship is truly serious and you would want to marry that person some day, you have to wait AT LEAST 2 full years until your 18, and usually much longer with college and trying to get a career. It could be 6 years until you get married. Pointless.
@TangoDown93 WTF is a "worldly term"? why do people think they are special just because they have an imaginary friend. trying to belittle others by calling them worldly.
I think that dating as teens is ok as long as you dont have sex because you get experience learn from one another. Two young teens who like each other can try dating and learn from their mistakes. Also if you dont have any experience you will end up used by others in this world.
@turtlelackie I don't think Discroll understands the term ' learning from mistakes' lol! I can't live in his perfect world where no one has life lessons.If we don't experience life then how do we learn anything.The kids learn and learn to grow as friends.
Unfortunately it seems Mark Driscoll only honors image-bearing females if they are sexually pure. Classic religious guy with the virgins/whores complex.
@Elfinesmom He sounds like the leaders at some Bible studies I attended.The whole burden of purity is put on the female,the gatekeeper as they call her.Most fundie Christians think women are sexless and only pure or a sort of prostitute if she so calls 'gives into pressure'.Maybe the girl wanted sex but they never think females do.
I don't really agree with this. How you soppost to know who you match with if you don't date early on in life (like 16 not like 10). When you date you figure out what you want in a relationship. Pretty much it is trial and error. I think it makes you emotionally ready.
Go to the actual mars hill website and watch the full sermon on dating. He's not talking about worldly dating. He's talking about Christian dating. It's different. The full sermon puts this short message in context
his financial independence crap is appalling. As a guy, are you supposed to wait until you're perhaps 25/30 till you can date? That would mean you're married no earlier than 30/35, and that's assuming you find "the one" right away. That's a LONG time to go without pussy, dont you think? From puberty till at least 30/35 years of age. HA. Go fuck yourself Mark
You making dating sound so awful and disgusting. What's wrong with getting to know what you like and what you don't like in someone? Not everybody gets it right on the first try.
(from a dudes perspective) you date people before marriage so that when you do get to the marrying age its not an awkward thing. you know how to talk to women. to be good at something you have to practice. and in this life you cannot guarantee that ill ever meet "the one", and i wont end up spending my life alone. The odds are good, but if i cant be certain im not going wait for something that might not happen. if it will it will, if it won't it won't. me dating now won't change that.
@RedQueen009 I don't think age has anything to do with it. You seem to have missed the point. If someone is 30 and never had a job and has no means to financially support his family, then 30 is not too old. It has to do with maturity & ability to support a family not a number referring to a person's age. As he said at the end, rather than worry about dating, worry about maturing. That is the issue. One can be mature and financially capable at 16, but another maybe not until 30 or maybe never!
@RedQueen009 I don't think age has anything to do with it. You seem to have missed the point. If someone is 30 and never had a job and has no means to financially support his family, then 30 is not too old. It has to do with ability to support a family not a number referring to a person's age. Age is totally irrelevant to the argument at hand.
I think he is partially right, but does not do a good job explaining this. I agree dating out of emptiness to be fulfilled is bad, and dating someone you would never marry is bad. But what about a college age student dating? Most college kids agree they want to wait until after college to get married. What is wrong with dating while in college? It has the potential for marriage and thats the ultimate goal, just put off for a year or two.
Courtship is your answer here. Bring Godly people into the relationship with you that will hold you accountable and try not to have feelings for the guy/gal that you wouldnt have with another guy/gal when you were married. For example, you wouldnt kiss another woman if you were married. Since the girl you are dating is not your wife yet, why kiss? Why show any intimacy with her? Yea its radical in a westerners view, but isnt that what the Christian life is supposed to be?
@eingram21 I think He's talking about people who are not of age to marry. If you're in college, and want to get married one day, then you are not too young to date, your heart is in the right place, and Mark isn't talking about you
@eingram21 Well, why would you date in college? If you believe that God will ultimately bring you with the person you are going to marry when it is your time to marry, then you don't need to date them now to "hang on to them" because God will take care of that. So what would be your motivation for dating in college? Seems to me like it is for the emptiness to be fulfilled for the moment.
@eingram21 I don't agree with you. Yes, it's fine to date in college, but you even say, "It has the potential for marriage". That means that the people involved must be ready for marriage, and that's what Driscoll is defending here.
I actually agree with dating before a wish to marry. It teaches younger people how to interact with the opposite gender, and, in my opinion, you're never too young. I know a couple who've been together since they were 6 years old, and now they're 30-40 years married.
@eingram21 He mean high school not college. You can support yourself while in college it call a job. He talking about people who can't marry because their not of legal age, people who date just to have fun, people who don't have their life together yet. If you notice he talking about trying to mature instead of dating hopefully you mature enough when you done with high school.
@eingram21 What he's really talking about is a guy and gal getting too emotionally and physically involved with one another, too soon. Why get so close to someone in college when you can not marry them? Why force yourself to resist sexual temptation for a year or two? Why not wait, remain friends, and when the time is right, then you date, so that you can then marry them whenever you please! After all, if God is in control, and he works for the good of those who love Him, then why not wait?
@GazawayJD Do you have the strength to only hang out and not get too close to someone with whom you have mutual interest for over a year? I couldn't do that. It is much healthier to actually be in a relationship with commitment than to build the intimacy outside of a relationship.
The logic of "God is in control, so wait" is flawed. You could use this to put off doing literally anything for any amount of time. If dating is truly beneficial and not just permissible, go for it.
@eingram21 Actually, yeah. Phillipians 4:13. Why not build the friendship first? Actually grow to love them for who they are, so that you marry them without physicality being a factor! I mean, marrying your best friend is the dream. Can you be in an intimate relationship with someone, and uphold the sexual purity of marriage? Yes. But it's a heck of a lot harder, and frankly, unnecessary.
@GazawayJD I absolutely agree with building a friendship first, didn't mean to imply that i meant otherwise. But staying as just a friend for too long can be just as unhealthy as dating too early. I don't think I could date any of the girls I have been close friends with for over 4 years, our relationship is established as simply friendship (friend zone). Finding the right balance is key
I'd like to add that I've been dating my boyfriend for three years. We started dating at 16, a year younger than Mark and Grace started dating. When they first got married he spoke about barely having enough money to pay the rent and put in their tithes - they weren't financially well off but they are fine. It's unfair of him to suggest other couples can't get through the same thing.
@lanaluvzyuxx Same situation for me! Ive been with my girlfriend for nearly 3 years and im 17. obviously we have a while before marriage because of uni and stuff but im sure God brought her into my life at that time for a reason.
@lanaluvzyuxx How did he suggest other couples can't get through the same thing?? He only said "financially able to marry", not needing to be well off (see 1 Timothy 5:8). He apparently was financially able to marry, as he actually paid his rent and tithes. His point on finances was VERY brief. Mostly he focused on the defrauding of one another emotionally and/or sexually. As to this, take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. Perhaps this is mostly what Mark had in mind more than anything else.
@lanaluvzyuxx yeah i agree. i think it's pastor driscoll's way of protecting his children, which is understandable but he seems to have a happy marriage and as long as it's Christ-centered, as his is, i don't think there should be exacting laws of when to marry..
@bskil Nice sentiment, but I think Mark is more concerned abt what the Bible teaches than protecting his children. I don't know the guy, but I see a pastor's heart. Whether we like it or not, there are exacting laws of when to marry, an example - 1 Timothy 5:8, "...if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." i.e. be financially able to marry.
@lanaluvzyuxx I'm not sure what a "high school sweetheart" may be, but I don't believe it is the same as a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship. I don't know their "dating" history, and what period of life it was in. But even if it was not in accordance to what he is saying now, why is that a problem? Everybody did things earlier in their life that they would speak against later in their life. In other words, everybody makes mistakes and Mark is no different.
@lanaluvzyuxx As for financial hardship... he never said that there is anything wrong with being poor. He just said that there is a need to be financially able to marry. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with struggling financially. It would help if he gave Bible references, but the Bible is clear that a man must support his family, therefore the financially be able marry bit prior to marriage. It doesn't say that it must be in abundance.
i can't stand the view point of if you don't have a Carear job and what not your not ready to date... i am 29 yearsold and i am still working hard and i make a good living but i am still pushing for better work and jobs..
the problem i have with this type of view is you don't allow someone to date.. you don't allow a guy to become friends with a girl and take her out to dinner and a movie. You will get connected its friendship and yes you might feel more then just friends.. doesn't mean she has to have sex with you or your required to have sex with him. How else will you ever find what you want in a wife if you wait till your 35 with your perfect credit score and 401k plan... Life isn't per
isn't perfect you will never have a entire plan that goes correctly having faith in God and taking a leap is what God wants you to do with your life. Personally i doubt this guy really did what he preaches ... i am doubting he had his life in this "perfect order before he got married."
@bluefalcon20002 Does it matter if he had his life in "perfect order before he got married"? I think the accuracy of his teaching should be tested against the Bible, not whether he sinned in his past or not - that is irrelevant.
Yes, have faith and take a leap, but in agreement with God's expressed will for us in how to live like, which includes these things that Mark mentioned in this video - not defrauding one another (sexually or emotionally), being financially able to marry, etc...
you can't stay afraid of life forever... Its life your going to get hurt.. your heart will be crushed.... why Its humans and humans are imperfect people. This teaching acts like you can create a perfect world where nobody gets hurt everyone has money.... and you will never deal with struggles in life. Get married... get married when your in love with someone who loves you back and you can afford to be on your own.
The story is this.. A man prayed to God that he would win the lottery....everday this man prayed the same prayer till he died.. When he got to God he asked him why he didn't win the lottery. God said you never played the lottery so how could you win.
The story goes you have to actually put effort into doing things in life.. Go wants you to go out and date if you can't handle dating... then Don't but putting a blanket statement like this above is ridiculous
@bluefalcon20002 Who ever said anything about being afraid of life? Nobody said anything about never getting hurt. Create a perfect world? So are you saying that one should not honor others as he teaches here?
He only said one extremely brief thing about money and you turn it into a thing about everyone having money? No, he said just what you yourself said "... and you can afford to be on your own". You apparently agree with the teaching, but have a problem with interpretation.
@bluefalcon20002 I didn't hear him say anything you accuse him of here. Yes, sure you don't need to have sex with anyone, but what is "more than just friends"? If there is no intention of marriage, there should be no intimate emotional feelings either, those are for your spouse & it would be defrauding your sister or brother. Take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. And he didn't say you need perfect finances either, but to be "financially able to marry". God thinks so too! See 1 Timothy 5:8
@bluefalcon20002 How on earth did you interpret being "financially able to marry" as needing a career job to be ready to date? If you make a good living, you are obviously "financially able to marry" & totally within this aspect of what Mark mentioned in that one sentence. I'm not sure how you heard him here. The vast majority of what he was talking about was emotional and sexual defrauding of your brother or sister. See 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 on that.
You know what the bible says about dating/courting? Nothing. The bible says leave your mother and father to become one flesh. Dating and courting is culture.
@JVLong89 Dating & courting may be culture, but being ready for marriage has many biblical parameters.
Mostly Mark was talking about those of emotional and sexual defrauding of your brother or sister - 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. And with a very brief reference to the need of being "financially able to marry" - 1 Timothy 5:8. There are MANY more things God has to say about being ready for marriage!
Marriage is of major importance to God & he didn't leave us without a vast amount of instruction on it!
@mhcseattle -- and perhaps not. But there is nothing wrong with having a relationship with someone with honourable intentions. of course there would be emotional attachment but there would also be respect. If its our daughters desire to stay a virgin, even if she offered in a time of weakness I would say “no, this is not what you want”. I don’t see how this could in any way be disrespectful to you. I would appreciate a response to this
@mhcseattle Pastor Mark, What I see as a shortcoming in your sermon is your perception of young people. You assume that people who are not able to marry are only in dating for physical pleasure and know that there is no future to it. I feel that this is a gross assumption. With the example of your daughter; if I knew her and we had feelings for each other Then yes, I would ask her out. For in a relationship there is a potential to mature if done responsibly. perhaps it could lead to marriage --
"Whats the point of dating? Ultimately marriage.” - I disagree, dating (if done responsibly) is a way to grow and learn about yourself, and develop and gain experiences with another person so then when you marry you are ready as you know how to act with and how to treat someone in a relationship. Perhaps the first person you date will be the one, perhaps not. Going into it and saying “my intentions are marriage” is not the best way to go about.
what if you start dating .. even tho you're far from marriage, but you really feel like that person is the right one.. and then you do actually end up marrying them because you have been planning to stay with them for a long time?
I disagree with Driscoll here. I'm too young to marry right at this moment, but that doesn't mean I can't start looking (with the intention of marriage)
To everyone who doesn't understand why you shouldn't "date for fun or "date to mature":
Our hearts are meant for God and for our spouses. We shouldn't be weighed down with the emotional baggage of past relationships. Dating for the sole purpose of dating is a secular view with no spiritual benefits. For someone who is immature, it is easy to make idols of each other, fall into sexual sin and take your eyes off God.
Also, for you Non-Christians calling this guy a "moron": this isn't for you...
Okay, I watched this, and I have a question. I understand that we shouldn't do the sexual things, as in taking it to far, but for real. One way to mature and grow up is BEING in a relationship with someone. It helps show how you would act in a relationship, and no, it's not a "marrige" or serious thing, but if you're not disobeying the commandments, why not let yourself mature and have a relationship different from all others in your life at that time? I just don't understand.
another way to think about this is to ask, "Can I see myself potentially this person later?" If the answer is no, then you probably shouldn't date. If the answer is unclear or maybe, then you probably don't know them well enough and should get to know them better before you start dating.
@ilovemycarchaser if maturity means also investing emotionally in something that has no future... what would be the point? This video isn't about dating to date... the goal of dating IS marriage... Biblically... I mean, what Mark Driscoll is saying here and consistently states is... holistically... dating for dating sake doesn't mature... dating w/ purpose or what many would consider Courtship does mature... and God does lead and close doors but... in your comment... it can be emotional suicide
Here's one way to look at this: If we are to be with only one person and we both agree that the bible condemns polygamy and adultery and lust and we enter a relationship with someone who is not the person we will marry, then we have committed adultery with this person because he or she belongs to someone else and so do we. To further push this, Adam, in the ideal, had no one to "practice" with. We get all of our practice from the Word of God. Sounds good?
@Catiebugged Did you watch the video, or did you just read the title? He didn't say it is wrong to date period, what he said was wrong was "looking for a person you want to spend the rest of your life with" before you are ready to spend the rest of your life with them. As Rebecca St. James says, "Why shop if you're not going to buy? Why date if you're not going to marry?"
" Don't put people in the bucket of 'I honor them' or 'I don't honor them' put everyone in the bucket of 'they're an image-bearer of god, and I honor them."
Why does this honor stop if they love the "wrong" person? Why can't a man love a man, or a woman love a woman? Because of some stone-age, man-made book saying that god loves everyone but blacks, women, anyone of another faith, and gays? It doesn't hold up.
thank you for speaking the truth! people are so blind these days and need to know what's right! it's better for them and everyone else in the long run! :)
I only believe half of this. I believe you shouldn't date if all you want is sex. I don't think anything is wrong with looking for a person you want to spend the rest of your life with, that's what dating is.
If you love someone, have a relationship with them. Modern marriage is just an arbitrary label that has more to do with legal and fiscal issues than anything else.
Real and meaningfull marriage happens in the heart and is not subject to social conventions or bigotries.
ever heard of safe-sex?? northern Europe has the best quality of life in the world (Holland, Switzerland, Norway....) they teach children about safe sex, they are open minded about all aspects of sexuality (including gay) and they have the best health system and also very low crime rates. These contries are predominantly secular. That proves that you don't need God to have a fair, morally sound society.
This only proves that Christians are the ones who cannot control their beastly animal instincts, being too afraid to risk the 'provocation' of sleeping in the same house as their not-yet-married partner. We don't have that problem, we have far more control. God bless atheists!
what's the idea that abstinence from sex gives you a closer bond with Christ?? Christ is not a sex simble, is it? you don't have masturbatory fantasies thinking about Christ in doggy-style position!
@marcohorowitz8 Many Christians have the self-control necessary to remain abstinent until marriage. That gives them the benefits of sexual discovery within the intimacy of marriage, without the drawbacks of fornication.
@wcr4 how romantic! however this is an other case of the dogmatic, dictatorial doctrine in Christianity. You think it's a choice you have and the self control etc.. but deep down you FEAR the punishment, after death, if you were to enjoy perfectly safe sex before marriage. Somewhere in Leviticus is written that the woman who is not virgin on the day of marriage must be stoned to death. You can romanticise it as you like, but the principle comes from a wicked, evil, fictional dogma.
@marcohorowitz The inside of a Christian's heart isn't terror, it's love and respect. It's grace and faithfulness. We don't obey God because we're afraid ("the fear of the Lord" means deep respect); it's because of what He's done for us, how He's transformed us. The principle of sexual purity comes from God's idea of marriage, which comes from how he loves us: with deep, selfless commitment. Marriage is that deep, selfless commitment, and we wreck it when we give ourselves away to someone else.
@wcr4 but if you DON'T love your imaginary God, what happens? eternity in Hell. That is a dictatorship of fear, it is evil, it is Fascism and the Soviet approach of Stalin. Any dictator in history was simply impersonating the biblical God: do as i say, love me unconditionally or you will die! God is evil!
@marcohorowitz If one was serving Him without loving Him, then it might be out of fear, or habit, or external pressure....but for actual Christians, serving Him isn't out of fear of hell. It's because of who He is. Those that never accept Christ are punished because they missed the point of existence, which is to get to know your Creator. They continually rejected His promptings. Besides, if there's no God, then there's no "evil dogma." Because then there's no basis of right and wrong.
@wcr4 ''if there's no God, then there's no "evil dogma." Because then there's no basis of right and wrong.'' I'm going to use this phrase as proof of the damage that brain-washing does to people, who cannot think of humans having a conscience outside of this narrow-minded God-world. I arrest my case!
@marcohorowitz You can have a conscience, for sure. But if there's no God, what's it based on? Evolutionary programming? If there's no absolute truth behind it, then it's arbitrary and worthless. Something based on irrationality or an irrational process like evolution can't be meaningful or right. Why should you work hard to have integrity if nothing ultimately matters anyway?
@muggrullen - Well, he has said before in his interview with DL Hugley and other times, that he has had sex before marriage before he became a Christian. When I was younger I had girlfriends who I didn't have sex with and typically had a stronger relationship with Christ. To me it's silly to assume because your too young to marry, you just want someone for their reproductive sex organs.
If you wait until you are financially really to get married, you're may to be waiting until mid to late 20s or early to mid 30s. I feel going through financial struggles of a young person, with your partner, helps you grow and learn as a couple, in turn strengthening your relationship.
Dating when you're young (IMO) is perfectly fine and healthy. It help young men and women figure out what they want in a life partner further down the line. On top of that how many of us meet our future spouse in High school or college. when they aren't "ready" by Pastor Driscolls definition?
@Corrinrr Mark never said there is anything wrong with going through financial struggles. I don't think Mark would disagree with you at all on that. But, if it takes until your mid 20's to mid 30's to be "financially able to marry" as Mark put it, then so be it! God is the authority on this & he doesn't take it lightly!
1 Timothy 5:8, "...if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
@Corrinrr Umm, I think he's talking about spiritual, mental and physical maturity. Remember, that Christ needs to be the center of the relationship, ALWAYS. That's where your strength comes from - not yourself, not your partner but CHRIST. He's right wherein if you're not ready for marriage then don't get into a relationship. Because after the dating stage, it's marriage. So pray first if this is the person God's wills you to be for the rest of your life and wait for His answer, not yours.
WOW religion is SOO rediculous. why waste the prime of your youth NOT dating? This is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. obviously it's a natural, healthy part of life to experience love and all the ups and downs of being in a relationship. who is this guy to tell teenagers they shouldn't be dating? This makes me sick, religion is just sickening.
@TheBrownTies You waste the prime of your youth BY dating. It's not about religion but really it's common sense. WHY get emotionally connected to someone you're not going to marry? Why have sex or kiss or even hug or do anything that you know you won't be able to do for the rest of your life?
Don't waste your life, you only have ONE. When you're emotional, physically, FINANCIALLY and spiritually ready to accommodate a husband or a wife, that's when you can think about dating anyone. It's wisdom.
@VokalMC do those things because that's the peak of our sexual prime. it's not only physical, it's also emotional. the connect of having a special person is like nothing else in this world. Why hide these natural urges because a stupid book says so? as long as it's consensual and safe. dating someone let's you figure out who you are as a person and determine what you require in a relationship.
It teaches you respect and fairness in relationships
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marionetemanJ 6 hours ago
Wow, that really rubs me the wrong way that he just thinks it's so obvious and black and white; it IS debatable. Just because you aren't CURRENTLY READY for marriage QUITE YET doesn't mean your motives for dating aren't to find the one you EVENTUALLY WILL marry, or that you will be sexually active. Some of the most happily married, on-fire-for-God people I know will go on record to say they don't regret dating before their spouse, because it taught them alot, and they didn't give themselves away
xSmittyxCorex 1 week ago
THANK YOU. Very enlightening.
xixi22896 1 week ago
Wtf what's wrong with being in love?
windingspiralcase 2 weeks ago 3
@windingspiralcase it's wrong when you "fall in love" with SOMEONE else's husband/wife.
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kooljas34 2 weeks ago
you are preaching the truth! This is awesome!
FanOfMiLeyRay 3 weeks ago
Amen!! Great message here. Can I borrow your daughter for a few years? I'm not mature enough for marriage. I have no intention to marry her...I'm not in the marriage season....I just want to hang out with her, become emotionally attached and maybe have sexual contact sometimes.
Wivanunu 1 month ago
It is annoying to think some people, deserve do to certain things and others deserve lesser things because of artificial merits set through 'man-made' law and social constructs. We are all in the soup bowl together, we all got here together because God saw us all as the same. Hence, if I am daring enough to ask my neighbor's daughter's time so that I get to know her before I jump into conclusion about marrying her, then I should also be daring to do the same to the Pastor's daughter.
bubunisha 1 month ago
Plus, assuming that I ultimately want to get to know that woman just fulfill my selfish social and sexual needs is disrespectful. Marriage is not just a mechanism to procreate, it is the foundation to build a good family. If total strangers are to start to be the foundations of a family, we'd end up with troubled families raising troubled children. Dating is important, what you DO on a date however should NOT be generalized and equated to a typical date in a Hollywood flick. We're NOT DUMB!
bubunisha 1 month ago 3
all hail the magic conch
limitless45 1 month ago
You need to start thinking for yourselfs. People, listen up,...if you are attracted to someone, wether it be a man, or a woman, dont waste time worrying about wether god will send you to hell or not, live ya life, go ask the man/woman out,..go out have a good time, take care of each other, express yourselves with each other in every loving way you can possibly think of, be safe, and sensible, be kind and live your life, helping others wen you can. Dont be threatened by cults like this.
Pikesterful 1 month ago
I think you are all mad for even considering taking this idiots advice. By all means do what you got to do, but if you need guidence of this guy, then you need to seriously evaluate your life. Alot of the time, when there not dictating a base line set of rules on how to live your life according to gods will, they are just preaching good practise and common sense. Theres this bullshit idea that religious people believ that common sense and morals only come from a gods guidence. Your
on decline
Pikesterful 1 month ago
He is spot on here. If you are dating, without the intent of marriage, then what are you up to? No good!
The bible commands us to treat all woman like your sister...unless your wife that is.
aggenbagh 2 months ago 2
@aggenbagh agreed brother/sister. I'm learning this now as well. God Bless :)
NJHoopz21 3 weeks ago
I don't agree with this guy at all. Some people want to date people and NEVER get married. That is OK. In this day in age, alot of people don't want to get married, but want a good conversation. No, they won't have sex, but there is nothing wrong with dating someone who you are not planing on marrying.
Thatsamistery 4 months ago
i'm a Christian but i disagree. i understand where he's coming from-HOWEVER, like eingram21 said...i think if ultimately, your goal IS marriage one day...it's fine. i think if dating is used as a time to get intimate with someone-getting to know them and grow with them not only as a couple but getting closer to God...then i think it's fine. otherwise, yeah...dating just for fun or just to "hook up" is obviously wrong. how else would you know if someone is truly fit for marriage? you simply DATE.
WHN 4 months ago
@WHN When he mean not ready to marry. He mean teenager who can't legally get marry buddy because of their age. He simply saying don't date someone you can't see yourself marrying or wait until your 18 basicly.
veracalix 3 months ago
ah, the christian art of sexual repression.
l337pwnage 4 months ago
He explained this issue quite well. This principle is not only for young people, but also applied to old-enough single Christians. If you don't have an intention to marry to the person, don't meet the person one on one. See the person in a public context (group). If you love God, you love His children, thus you want to protect their emotion and the future. Casual / trial dating is not from God.
Backtobasics11 5 months ago 3
Jesus, you people are delusional. To be honest, if your daughters are anything like the brain washed lost soul that you are, then i wouldnt go near them with a stick. What are you talkin about anyhow..? Dating is what you start with and then you mix it with one night stands or having a fuck buddy. When two people date, its because they are naturally attracted to each othe, neither one of them actually knows if its going to go anywhere,..thats the whole point of dating, dick.
Pikesterful 5 months ago
@Pikesterful
That’s very disrespectful and very earthly and you should not bothered of posting it.
soMeRandoM670 2 months ago
@soMeRandoM670 - disrespectfull ??, listen, its you lot that are ignorant. telling folk how to live, and threatening those who dont follow god with eternal hell, your life is your life, you get one shot, thats all, just one crack of the whip[. Theres no right way and wrong way of how to live, just dont hurt each other, so stick ya self righteous head back up ya own arse where its been for the past god knows how long and stop with the bullshit.
Pikesterful 2 months ago
@Pikesterful It's not us who are telling you how to live, it is God. But living a moral life is not the end goal, the end goal is to know and love Jesus, repent of your sins and come to saving faith in Christ.
eingram21 1 month ago
@eingram21 - twat
Pikesterful 1 month ago
@Pikesterful I kinda find it interesting that you are saying there's no right or wrong way to live your life, yet you've also pronounced that all people not hurt each other and not tell each other what to do. Sorry, but you just did tell people how they should live their life. Where does the authority to tell people they can't hurt each other or be judgmental come from? Who gave it to you? Not saying these are bad things, but your logic falls on its own sword.
lifesglorydead 1 month ago
@lifesglorydead Listen chap, if your not intelligent enough to realise that hurting people is wrong, and that it comes under a natural moral obligation, which is manifested by nothing but your own self and conciousness, then im afraid im going to bid farewell to this conversation and yourself because i have no more time to waste on responding to the likes
Pikesterful 1 month ago
@Pikesterful I'm not saying hurting people isn't wrong. Hell, I'm a pacifist. My point is that there are people out there who DON'T believe that, and you saying they're wrong is in fact telling people how to live their life, something you said was wrong. I'm only using your own argument.
lifesglorydead 1 month ago
@lifesglorydead - using my own argument?,..your talking crap, been opposing deliberately. All you religious fundementalists are the same, you lot would argue till your blue in the face, you guys like nothing better than a rut with an atheist. And just because something that is obviously non-existent can not be proven to not exist, you guys get to call us agnostic?,.. told you, humans have a natural moral obligation, those who hurt others are not mentally stable. its obvious
Pikesterful 1 month ago
@Pikesterful Truth be told, I don't like arguing very much, especially with atheists. It doesn't put forth a very loving image. I only want to encourage that people actually consider both sides of a point instead of blindly following one or the other. Just like how in my life, I struggle with just blindly believing in God instead of actually having reasons to do believe. I humbly apologize if I have come off as hostile/offensive. It's not my intention to be a dick and just argue.
lifesglorydead 1 month ago
@soMeRandoM670 - disrespectful!?,..ill tell you whats disrespectful, mass murder, rape, invasions, bastardisation of countries, and all in the name of the god that you want me and others to bow down to, and let tell us what to do and how to live with our lives,...erm,...no thanks, its bullshit, and evolution proves this. Besides, i can do a better job of my own life than god could ever do, looking at what has happened in the name of your god. twat
Pikesterful 1 month ago
I love listening to Mark Driscoll preach. I think he does a better job teaching God's word than anybody else I've ever heard. But, this is the one and only topic I've heard from him that i don't agree with. I think dating is perfectly fine for two young people who aren't ready for marriage. I think it's good practice that can prepare you for marriage. As long as you aren't sinning I think it's ok. When someone is prepared to marry, then they should be looking for a spouse and not just someone t
jsimm9 6 months ago
@jsimm9 I agree with you that Driscoll has the gift of preaching, and he's great to listen to. But all Godly preaching will both encourage us and challenge us. That may come out as us "disagreeing" with what is preached. I do not say blindly listen and follow... but prayerfully reflect using the Bible. I'm not going to debate this issue, just ask 2 questions: how is dating good practice for marriage, in a way that good friendships aren't? And is sinning the action or the attitude toward God?
RuManCow 6 months ago
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
juanbandito 6 months ago
@juanbandito By the way, it takes a true troll to recognize another ;)
sup fellow bro!
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youneekk 6 months ago
Christians should get their asses back to the middle east. WHERE THEY BELONG. America was NOT founded by Christians. America was founded by Deists.
SuperDrSmart 6 months ago
Ask anything? OK :D
WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT ANY GOD EXISTS?
Thank you.
URTemplar 7 months ago
@URTemplar Where is the proof he doesn't exist?! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!?????
juanbandito 6 months ago
@juanbandito Nowhere. You can't prove scientifically that anything DOESN'T exist silly. You make the claim, then prove it ;) observe the facts and tell me what could possibly lead to a conclusion of that sort.
I eagerly await your reply.
URTemplar 6 months ago
@URTemplar The basic unit of matter is a molecule. Explain to me how the first molecule came about. How can you make something out of nothing? The same argument can go for creationism however you mentioned "Science" so lets stick to that topic when you reply.
juanbandito 6 months ago
@juanbandito Son, what the hell are you talking about? The "basic units" are sub-atomic particles. And no, something must have come from something. We have theories, but we don't know that (yet). Does that mean any god exist? NO ;)
So you can go on and stop making excuses for your lack of evidence. How can you possibly now that ANY god exists?
Still eager to know the answer here.
URTemplar 6 months ago
@URTemplar Well SON, you've made a harmless argument into a "U MAD?" war. And I wasn't defending anyone set of beliefs. I simply suggested that there's really no way you can prove there is none or for the matter that if there is. But, I guess what they say is true "Don't feed the trolls." You obviously came here for a reaction. So you win if that what helps you sleep at night.
juanbandito 6 months ago
@juanbandito ... dude, I just said I'm an agnostic. There is no way to prove either way :P I can't say "there is no god" as well as I can't say "there is a god".
lol, I do troll sometimes, but this wasn't one of those, I really thought you wanted to show a proof for something when you told me to "prove that he doesn't exist". And trust, I'd love to see an evidence for a change...
URTemplar 6 months ago
this guys a fucking idiot, end of story
whywhywhywhyshame 7 months ago
Love this... I'm only 20 and this is what I've believed since forever! You need to be ready to take on the responsibility. Think about the person's heart. Do you really want to scar that other person and emotionally compromise them just for a little while and then shatter their hearts when you decide you have had enough? I absolutely agree with this.
lovejn316 7 months ago
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TheNastiNes 7 months ago
No, this guy is wrong. You don't 'use' someone, you spend time with them and find out if you are emotionally compatible. I know of plenty of adults who met when they were 15-17 years old and stayed together for life, and their marriages are usually more 'stable' than those who meet when they are older, because they know each other so well.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea
No, you are wrong! You do not understand a biblical relationship. Emotionally compatible? Thats a joke! No, if you see that a girl/guy is attractive, you enjoy their company, and he or she loves the Lord and truly desires for a deeper understanding of holiness and wants to live a God fearing life. The relationship WILL work, we as Americans have such a western social view on dating, we have conformed like Romans 12:1-2 tells us NOT to do!!!!! Get married, dont date for fun!
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago
@ItsSolaFide You do understand that your comment makes absolutely no sense? "No, if you see that a girl/guy is attractive, you enjoy their company, and he or she loves the Lord and truly desires for a deeper understanding of holiness" is incoherent, please do explain what you meant. As I previously stated, there is nothing wrong with 'dating' as the whole point of it is to eventually lead to marriage. How exactly do you suggest one meets his spouse? Organised marriages?
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea
My comment makes total sense. Marry an attractive girl that you can stand being around and that loves Jesus. You dont have to be "emotionally compatible", whatever that is. Christians MAKE relationships work! Im not opposed to arranged marriages, but no it does not have to be arranged, two people can court and bring their parents into the relationship to keep them accountable. If not parents, some Godly couple.
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago
@ItsSolaFide No it didn't. Your a fool whom contradicts himself with every word! If the only thing that matters in life is God then why do you need to marry 'an attractive girl'? Surely in your logic that is selfish! For one ONLY lives to serve the Lord! You have a warped view on life and the Bible.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea If you're a Christian I would strongly urge you not to treat your brothers and sisters harshly. ridicule & insults are not necessary. If you disagree, talk it out; If someone is in sin, rebuke them. But do so in love & humility
lonewolf0017 7 months ago
@lonewolf0017 I haven't treated anyone with ridicule nor insults, so I'm unsure as to what you are attempting to get at with your comment.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea you called ItsSolaFide a fool. it's right there "Your a fool whom contradicts himself with every word" That's an insult
i don't agree with what he said, but I don't like atheists logging onto YouTube & seeing Christians being hostile towards one another. Although I'm not attacking you right now, you're probably just going to get angry, so don't expect me to get into a lengthy argument; If you & I disagree, I'm just gonna leave it at this
lonewolf0017 7 months ago
@lonewolf0017 I call em' like I see em'. Also, if you claim calling someone a fool is insulting then you'd better get off Driscoll's videos considering he calls people 'loosers' repeatedly during one sermon, that's pretty insulting - you gonna complain to him too? Didn't think so.
Who cares what Atheists see? Better me to tell him clearly now then for him to go spout his mouth on other videos and make Christianity look stupid.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea , 1st you deny it, & now you're justifying it. Are Christians called to imitate Jesus or Imitate Mark Driscoll? He's a sinner just like me & you; not perfect. Can you say that because multiple people do the same thing it's edifying?
You should care about living out the gospel in front of Atheists, that they might be saved. It's one of the things we're called to do. It's best to tell you now before you get into more senseless arguments;
I'm trying to help you
but we disagree
oh well :]
lonewolf0017 7 months ago
@lonewolf0017 I'm not justifying anything, calling a fool a fool is the truth, not an insult. The Christian's on Driscoll's videos tend to attempt both, these 'super churches' are very much an American phenomena in which the 'paster' becomes almost a figure of worship himself.
You reek of pride. So maybe you should help yourself before 'helping' others.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea What I said was something that I just learned: speak in love. (2 tim 23-25) If we don't disagree about the doctrines of trinity & grace, it's not a big deal. A fool is defined by Proverbs 29:11, 18:2, 9:8 or psalm 14:1, etc. Mark is wrong sometimes & just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make him a fool.
I wont just judge you, condemn, & say “That’s it. Good luck” My goal isnt to destroy you, but to serve you. That being said, I am prideful. & by God's grace i pursue humility
lonewolf0017 7 months ago
@lonewolf0017
Preach it
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago 13
@Epionea
God isnt the only thing that matters to me, but He is by far the most important thing to me. He is so important that it actually shapes how I live my life, including *if* and who I marry. What a concept, a Christian being transformed by the Holy Spirit! No, that is not selfish at all! Attraction has been given to us by God. Read Song of Solomon. Now, attraction does grow on people as they get to know one another, just ask my courting partner, Im ugly and she thinks I look good!
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago
@ItsSolaFide Ahh! So now you agree with the idea of 'dating'! Such a hypocrite! I'm glad we finally got down to the truths of the matter.
Epionea 7 months ago
@Epionea
Geez dude you are seriously one of the dumbest people I have ever talked to, thats just putting it bluntly. I DO NOT AGREE WITH DATING!!!! Is that clear enough? However, dating is not sinful. BUT it is best NOT to date! A hypocrite? No a hypocrite would be if I was saying that it is damning for a person to have a girlfriend, and I have a girlfriend myself. You my friend are an idiot and I am done with the conversation. Pearls to swine here!!!
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago
@ItsSolaFide What a very Christian reply you have given me, I can feel the love and humility! You said very clearly that you are currently dating, yet you condemn and say you 'shouldn't' date to others! Let me spell it out to you - H Y P O C R I T E.
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TheJohnVandivier 7 months ago
you never know when you might meet the love of your life, I dated the same guy since kindergarten
turtlelackie 8 months ago
I actually agree with Mark on this issue. What's the point of being emotionally connected to someone when it's years before you can take your relationship any further. Imagine your 16 and want to date. If that relationship is truly serious and you would want to marry that person some day, you have to wait AT LEAST 2 full years until your 18, and usually much longer with college and trying to get a career. It could be 6 years until you get married. Pointless.
shipleyshipster 8 months ago
@TangoDown93 WTF is a "worldly term"? why do people think they are special just because they have an imaginary friend. trying to belittle others by calling them worldly.
molyvenson 8 months ago
I think that dating as teens is ok as long as you dont have sex because you get experience learn from one another. Two young teens who like each other can try dating and learn from their mistakes. Also if you dont have any experience you will end up used by others in this world.
turtlelackie 8 months ago
@turtlelackie I don't think Discroll understands the term ' learning from mistakes' lol! I can't live in his perfect world where no one has life lessons.If we don't experience life then how do we learn anything.The kids learn and learn to grow as friends.
jlgtuesday1971 8 months ago
Unfortunately it seems Mark Driscoll only honors image-bearing females if they are sexually pure. Classic religious guy with the virgins/whores complex.
Elfinesmom 9 months ago
@Elfinesmom He sounds like the leaders at some Bible studies I attended.The whole burden of purity is put on the female,the gatekeeper as they call her.Most fundie Christians think women are sexless and only pure or a sort of prostitute if she so calls 'gives into pressure'.Maybe the girl wanted sex but they never think females do.
jlgtuesday1971 8 months ago
I don't really agree with this. How you soppost to know who you match with if you don't date early on in life (like 16 not like 10). When you date you figure out what you want in a relationship. Pretty much it is trial and error. I think it makes you emotionally ready.
harrypotterboycrazy 9 months ago
@harrypotterboycrazy Just wait... God has a plan for everyone! :)
xNinjaxTheoryx 9 months ago
Go to the actual mars hill website and watch the full sermon on dating. He's not talking about worldly dating. He's talking about Christian dating. It's different. The full sermon puts this short message in context
mrschuey79 9 months ago
his financial independence crap is appalling. As a guy, are you supposed to wait until you're perhaps 25/30 till you can date? That would mean you're married no earlier than 30/35, and that's assuming you find "the one" right away. That's a LONG time to go without pussy, dont you think? From puberty till at least 30/35 years of age. HA. Go fuck yourself Mark
thisGuy5131 9 months ago
You making dating sound so awful and disgusting. What's wrong with getting to know what you like and what you don't like in someone? Not everybody gets it right on the first try.
h09 9 months ago
having sex isn't using someone, it's consensual, therefore mutual therefore a trade. where is the using?
leltard 9 months ago
woow (: i love mars hill !
chuvinhadunis 9 months ago
christians are so gay and annoying
hungrytoheal 9 months ago
@hungrytoheal then why are you watching this?
jacobdc61 9 months ago
@jacobdc61 cause someone put it on facebook...
hungrytoheal 9 months ago
(from a dudes perspective) you date people before marriage so that when you do get to the marrying age its not an awkward thing. you know how to talk to women. to be good at something you have to practice. and in this life you cannot guarantee that ill ever meet "the one", and i wont end up spending my life alone. The odds are good, but if i cant be certain im not going wait for something that might not happen. if it will it will, if it won't it won't. me dating now won't change that.
woodtick71 9 months ago
@RedQueen009 I don't think age has anything to do with it. You seem to have missed the point. If someone is 30 and never had a job and has no means to financially support his family, then 30 is not too old. It has to do with maturity & ability to support a family not a number referring to a person's age. As he said at the end, rather than worry about dating, worry about maturing. That is the issue. One can be mature and financially capable at 16, but another maybe not until 30 or maybe never!
sigmundson 9 months ago
@RedQueen009 I don't think age has anything to do with it. You seem to have missed the point. If someone is 30 and never had a job and has no means to financially support his family, then 30 is not too old. It has to do with ability to support a family not a number referring to a person's age. Age is totally irrelevant to the argument at hand.
sigmundson 9 months ago
I think he is partially right, but does not do a good job explaining this. I agree dating out of emptiness to be fulfilled is bad, and dating someone you would never marry is bad. But what about a college age student dating? Most college kids agree they want to wait until after college to get married. What is wrong with dating while in college? It has the potential for marriage and thats the ultimate goal, just put off for a year or two.
eingram21 9 months ago 10
@eingram21
Courtship is your answer here. Bring Godly people into the relationship with you that will hold you accountable and try not to have feelings for the guy/gal that you wouldnt have with another guy/gal when you were married. For example, you wouldnt kiss another woman if you were married. Since the girl you are dating is not your wife yet, why kiss? Why show any intimacy with her? Yea its radical in a westerners view, but isnt that what the Christian life is supposed to be?
ItsSolaFide 7 months ago
@eingram21 I think He's talking about people who are not of age to marry. If you're in college, and want to get married one day, then you are not too young to date, your heart is in the right place, and Mark isn't talking about you
lonewolf0017 7 months ago
@eingram21 well you assume that in what he's preaching. because obviously in college your not too young, and the sermon was based on being too young.
skyhero215 6 months ago
@eingram21 Well, why would you date in college? If you believe that God will ultimately bring you with the person you are going to marry when it is your time to marry, then you don't need to date them now to "hang on to them" because God will take care of that. So what would be your motivation for dating in college? Seems to me like it is for the emptiness to be fulfilled for the moment.
BeefTank2010 6 months ago
@eingram21 I don't agree with you. Yes, it's fine to date in college, but you even say, "It has the potential for marriage". That means that the people involved must be ready for marriage, and that's what Driscoll is defending here.
I actually agree with dating before a wish to marry. It teaches younger people how to interact with the opposite gender, and, in my opinion, you're never too young. I know a couple who've been together since they were 6 years old, and now they're 30-40 years married.
latuacantante121 6 months ago
@eingram21 He mean high school not college. You can support yourself while in college it call a job. He talking about people who can't marry because their not of legal age, people who date just to have fun, people who don't have their life together yet. If you notice he talking about trying to mature instead of dating hopefully you mature enough when you done with high school.
veracalix 3 months ago
@eingram21 What he's really talking about is a guy and gal getting too emotionally and physically involved with one another, too soon. Why get so close to someone in college when you can not marry them? Why force yourself to resist sexual temptation for a year or two? Why not wait, remain friends, and when the time is right, then you date, so that you can then marry them whenever you please! After all, if God is in control, and he works for the good of those who love Him, then why not wait?
GazawayJD 1 month ago 5
@GazawayJD Do you have the strength to only hang out and not get too close to someone with whom you have mutual interest for over a year? I couldn't do that. It is much healthier to actually be in a relationship with commitment than to build the intimacy outside of a relationship.
The logic of "God is in control, so wait" is flawed. You could use this to put off doing literally anything for any amount of time. If dating is truly beneficial and not just permissible, go for it.
eingram21 1 month ago
@eingram21 Actually, yeah. Phillipians 4:13. Why not build the friendship first? Actually grow to love them for who they are, so that you marry them without physicality being a factor! I mean, marrying your best friend is the dream. Can you be in an intimate relationship with someone, and uphold the sexual purity of marriage? Yes. But it's a heck of a lot harder, and frankly, unnecessary.
GazawayJD 1 month ago
@GazawayJD I absolutely agree with building a friendship first, didn't mean to imply that i meant otherwise. But staying as just a friend for too long can be just as unhealthy as dating too early. I don't think I could date any of the girls I have been close friends with for over 4 years, our relationship is established as simply friendship (friend zone). Finding the right balance is key
eingram21 1 month ago
What's the point of dating, uhhh to get to know somebody...
8azile8 9 months ago
I'd like to add that I've been dating my boyfriend for three years. We started dating at 16, a year younger than Mark and Grace started dating. When they first got married he spoke about barely having enough money to pay the rent and put in their tithes - they weren't financially well off but they are fine. It's unfair of him to suggest other couples can't get through the same thing.
lanaluvzyuxx 10 months ago
@lanaluvzyuxx Same situation for me! Ive been with my girlfriend for nearly 3 years and im 17. obviously we have a while before marriage because of uni and stuff but im sure God brought her into my life at that time for a reason.
grooveryda 10 months ago
@lanaluvzyuxx How did he suggest other couples can't get through the same thing?? He only said "financially able to marry", not needing to be well off (see 1 Timothy 5:8). He apparently was financially able to marry, as he actually paid his rent and tithes. His point on finances was VERY brief. Mostly he focused on the defrauding of one another emotionally and/or sexually. As to this, take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. Perhaps this is mostly what Mark had in mind more than anything else.
sigmundson 10 months ago
I don't understand though, he and Grace were highschool sweethearts? They dated for a while - and went through financial hardship. I'm so confused...
lanaluvzyuxx 10 months ago
@lanaluvzyuxx yeah i agree. i think it's pastor driscoll's way of protecting his children, which is understandable but he seems to have a happy marriage and as long as it's Christ-centered, as his is, i don't think there should be exacting laws of when to marry..
bskil 10 months ago
@bskil Nice sentiment, but I think Mark is more concerned abt what the Bible teaches than protecting his children. I don't know the guy, but I see a pastor's heart. Whether we like it or not, there are exacting laws of when to marry, an example - 1 Timothy 5:8, "...if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." i.e. be financially able to marry.
I'm sure Mark could come up with many more.
sigmundson 10 months ago
@lanaluvzyuxx I'm not sure what a "high school sweetheart" may be, but I don't believe it is the same as a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship. I don't know their "dating" history, and what period of life it was in. But even if it was not in accordance to what he is saying now, why is that a problem? Everybody did things earlier in their life that they would speak against later in their life. In other words, everybody makes mistakes and Mark is no different.
sigmundson 10 months ago
@lanaluvzyuxx As for financial hardship... he never said that there is anything wrong with being poor. He just said that there is a need to be financially able to marry. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with struggling financially. It would help if he gave Bible references, but the Bible is clear that a man must support his family, therefore the financially be able marry bit prior to marriage. It doesn't say that it must be in abundance.
I hope you aren't confused anymore...
sigmundson 10 months ago
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What is this bullshit? Marriage is a piece of paper. How does that decide who you do and don't respect? Fuck you and your retarded views.
sxy133 10 months ago
i can't stand the view point of if you don't have a Carear job and what not your not ready to date... i am 29 yearsold and i am still working hard and i make a good living but i am still pushing for better work and jobs..
bluefalcon20002 10 months ago
@bluefalcon20002
the problem i have with this type of view is you don't allow someone to date.. you don't allow a guy to become friends with a girl and take her out to dinner and a movie. You will get connected its friendship and yes you might feel more then just friends.. doesn't mean she has to have sex with you or your required to have sex with him. How else will you ever find what you want in a wife if you wait till your 35 with your perfect credit score and 401k plan... Life isn't per
bluefalcon20002 10 months ago
@bluefalcon20002
isn't perfect you will never have a entire plan that goes correctly having faith in God and taking a leap is what God wants you to do with your life. Personally i doubt this guy really did what he preaches ... i am doubting he had his life in this "perfect order before he got married."
bluefalcon20002 10 months ago
@bluefalcon20002 Does it matter if he had his life in "perfect order before he got married"? I think the accuracy of his teaching should be tested against the Bible, not whether he sinned in his past or not - that is irrelevant.
Yes, have faith and take a leap, but in agreement with God's expressed will for us in how to live like, which includes these things that Mark mentioned in this video - not defrauding one another (sexually or emotionally), being financially able to marry, etc...
sigmundson 10 months ago
@sigmundson
you can't stay afraid of life forever... Its life your going to get hurt.. your heart will be crushed.... why Its humans and humans are imperfect people. This teaching acts like you can create a perfect world where nobody gets hurt everyone has money.... and you will never deal with struggles in life. Get married... get married when your in love with someone who loves you back and you can afford to be on your own.
The story here is this
bluefalcon20002 9 months ago
@bluefalcon20002
The story is this.. A man prayed to God that he would win the lottery....everday this man prayed the same prayer till he died.. When he got to God he asked him why he didn't win the lottery. God said you never played the lottery so how could you win.
The story goes you have to actually put effort into doing things in life.. Go wants you to go out and date if you can't handle dating... then Don't but putting a blanket statement like this above is ridiculous
bluefalcon20002 9 months ago
@bluefalcon20002 Who ever said anything about being afraid of life? Nobody said anything about never getting hurt. Create a perfect world? So are you saying that one should not honor others as he teaches here?
He only said one extremely brief thing about money and you turn it into a thing about everyone having money? No, he said just what you yourself said "... and you can afford to be on your own". You apparently agree with the teaching, but have a problem with interpretation.
sigmundson 9 months ago
@bluefalcon20002 I didn't hear him say anything you accuse him of here. Yes, sure you don't need to have sex with anyone, but what is "more than just friends"? If there is no intention of marriage, there should be no intimate emotional feelings either, those are for your spouse & it would be defrauding your sister or brother. Take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. And he didn't say you need perfect finances either, but to be "financially able to marry". God thinks so too! See 1 Timothy 5:8
sigmundson 10 months ago
@bluefalcon20002 How on earth did you interpret being "financially able to marry" as needing a career job to be ready to date? If you make a good living, you are obviously "financially able to marry" & totally within this aspect of what Mark mentioned in that one sentence. I'm not sure how you heard him here. The vast majority of what he was talking about was emotional and sexual defrauding of your brother or sister. See 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 on that.
I think he would tell you to go for it! :)
sigmundson 10 months ago
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ConfusedDreamWhale 11 months ago
You know what the bible says about dating/courting? Nothing. The bible says leave your mother and father to become one flesh. Dating and courting is culture.
JVLong89 11 months ago
@JVLong89 Dating & courting may be culture, but being ready for marriage has many biblical parameters.
Mostly Mark was talking about those of emotional and sexual defrauding of your brother or sister - 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. And with a very brief reference to the need of being "financially able to marry" - 1 Timothy 5:8. There are MANY more things God has to say about being ready for marriage!
Marriage is of major importance to God & he didn't leave us without a vast amount of instruction on it!
sigmundson 10 months ago
@mhcseattle -- and perhaps not. But there is nothing wrong with having a relationship with someone with honourable intentions. of course there would be emotional attachment but there would also be respect. If its our daughters desire to stay a virgin, even if she offered in a time of weakness I would say “no, this is not what you want”. I don’t see how this could in any way be disrespectful to you. I would appreciate a response to this
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
@mhcseattle Pastor Mark, What I see as a shortcoming in your sermon is your perception of young people. You assume that people who are not able to marry are only in dating for physical pleasure and know that there is no future to it. I feel that this is a gross assumption. With the example of your daughter; if I knew her and we had feelings for each other Then yes, I would ask her out. For in a relationship there is a potential to mature if done responsibly. perhaps it could lead to marriage --
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
"Whats the point of dating? Ultimately marriage.” - I disagree, dating (if done responsibly) is a way to grow and learn about yourself, and develop and gain experiences with another person so then when you marry you are ready as you know how to act with and how to treat someone in a relationship. Perhaps the first person you date will be the one, perhaps not. Going into it and saying “my intentions are marriage” is not the best way to go about.
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
what if you start dating .. even tho you're far from marriage, but you really feel like that person is the right one.. and then you do actually end up marrying them because you have been planning to stay with them for a long time?
sorry if this sounds disorganized
minisujeani 1 year ago
I disagree with Driscoll here. I'm too young to marry right at this moment, but that doesn't mean I can't start looking (with the intention of marriage)
shamgar001 1 year ago
To everyone who doesn't understand why you shouldn't "date for fun or "date to mature":
Our hearts are meant for God and for our spouses. We shouldn't be weighed down with the emotional baggage of past relationships. Dating for the sole purpose of dating is a secular view with no spiritual benefits. For someone who is immature, it is easy to make idols of each other, fall into sexual sin and take your eyes off God.
Also, for you Non-Christians calling this guy a "moron": this isn't for you...
Shaqueta7 1 year ago
Okay, I watched this, and I have a question. I understand that we shouldn't do the sexual things, as in taking it to far, but for real. One way to mature and grow up is BEING in a relationship with someone. It helps show how you would act in a relationship, and no, it's not a "marrige" or serious thing, but if you're not disobeying the commandments, why not let yourself mature and have a relationship different from all others in your life at that time? I just don't understand.
ilovemycarchaser 1 year ago
@ilovemycarchaser
I am not trying to be disrespectful. But please. I want to understand.
ilovemycarchaser 1 year ago
@ilovemycarchaser
another way to think about this is to ask, "Can I see myself potentially this person later?" If the answer is no, then you probably shouldn't date. If the answer is unclear or maybe, then you probably don't know them well enough and should get to know them better before you start dating.
mapnut01 1 year ago
@ilovemycarchaser if maturity means also investing emotionally in something that has no future... what would be the point? This video isn't about dating to date... the goal of dating IS marriage... Biblically... I mean, what Mark Driscoll is saying here and consistently states is... holistically... dating for dating sake doesn't mature... dating w/ purpose or what many would consider Courtship does mature... and God does lead and close doors but... in your comment... it can be emotional suicide
shine777 1 year ago
@ilovemycarchaser
Here's one way to look at this: If we are to be with only one person and we both agree that the bible condemns polygamy and adultery and lust and we enter a relationship with someone who is not the person we will marry, then we have committed adultery with this person because he or she belongs to someone else and so do we. To further push this, Adam, in the ideal, had no one to "practice" with. We get all of our practice from the Word of God. Sounds good?
chrissssj9 1 year ago
@Catiebugged Did you watch the video, or did you just read the title? He didn't say it is wrong to date period, what he said was wrong was "looking for a person you want to spend the rest of your life with" before you are ready to spend the rest of your life with them. As Rebecca St. James says, "Why shop if you're not going to buy? Why date if you're not going to marry?"
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
" Don't put people in the bucket of 'I honor them' or 'I don't honor them' put everyone in the bucket of 'they're an image-bearer of god, and I honor them."
Why does this honor stop if they love the "wrong" person? Why can't a man love a man, or a woman love a woman? Because of some stone-age, man-made book saying that god loves everyone but blacks, women, anyone of another faith, and gays? It doesn't hold up.
hazelioness 1 year ago
this guy is a fucking idiot
VLCmaster 1 year ago
@VLCmaster how so
tobiosnmakky 1 year ago
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wendosomquty 1 year ago
you are stupid, the purpose is happiness
jac9876543210 1 year ago
thank you for speaking the truth! people are so blind these days and need to know what's right! it's better for them and everyone else in the long run! :)
captivated3 1 year ago
i absolutely disagree with you.
shadows10p 1 year ago
I only believe half of this. I believe you shouldn't date if all you want is sex. I don't think anything is wrong with looking for a person you want to spend the rest of your life with, that's what dating is.
Catiebugged 1 year ago
@Catiebugged yes, but im not sure people below age of marriage and consent are looking for that, and the question was should a person below age date
tobiosnmakky 1 year ago
If you love someone, have a relationship with them. Modern marriage is just an arbitrary label that has more to do with legal and fiscal issues than anything else.
Real and meaningfull marriage happens in the heart and is not subject to social conventions or bigotries.
ArchhereticK 1 year ago
ok so umm... mr....dr.phil i used like uhh 100+ chiks so yah...sorry :)
p00phead17 1 year ago
ever heard of safe-sex?? northern Europe has the best quality of life in the world (Holland, Switzerland, Norway....) they teach children about safe sex, they are open minded about all aspects of sexuality (including gay) and they have the best health system and also very low crime rates. These contries are predominantly secular. That proves that you don't need God to have a fair, morally sound society.
marcohorowitz 1 year ago
This only proves that Christians are the ones who cannot control their beastly animal instincts, being too afraid to risk the 'provocation' of sleeping in the same house as their not-yet-married partner. We don't have that problem, we have far more control. God bless atheists!
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
what's the idea that abstinence from sex gives you a closer bond with Christ?? Christ is not a sex simble, is it? you don't have masturbatory fantasies thinking about Christ in doggy-style position!
marcohorowitz 1 year ago
wise words from Driscoll
Palindrome700 1 year ago
are all Christians sexually repressed like this guy is???
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 Many Christians have the self-control necessary to remain abstinent until marriage. That gives them the benefits of sexual discovery within the intimacy of marriage, without the drawbacks of fornication.
wcr4 1 year ago
@wcr4 how romantic! however this is an other case of the dogmatic, dictatorial doctrine in Christianity. You think it's a choice you have and the self control etc.. but deep down you FEAR the punishment, after death, if you were to enjoy perfectly safe sex before marriage. Somewhere in Leviticus is written that the woman who is not virgin on the day of marriage must be stoned to death. You can romanticise it as you like, but the principle comes from a wicked, evil, fictional dogma.
marcohorowitz 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz The inside of a Christian's heart isn't terror, it's love and respect. It's grace and faithfulness. We don't obey God because we're afraid ("the fear of the Lord" means deep respect); it's because of what He's done for us, how He's transformed us. The principle of sexual purity comes from God's idea of marriage, which comes from how he loves us: with deep, selfless commitment. Marriage is that deep, selfless commitment, and we wreck it when we give ourselves away to someone else.
wcr4 1 year ago
@wcr4 but if you DON'T love your imaginary God, what happens? eternity in Hell. That is a dictatorship of fear, it is evil, it is Fascism and the Soviet approach of Stalin. Any dictator in history was simply impersonating the biblical God: do as i say, love me unconditionally or you will die! God is evil!
marcohorowitz 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz If one was serving Him without loving Him, then it might be out of fear, or habit, or external pressure....but for actual Christians, serving Him isn't out of fear of hell. It's because of who He is. Those that never accept Christ are punished because they missed the point of existence, which is to get to know your Creator. They continually rejected His promptings. Besides, if there's no God, then there's no "evil dogma." Because then there's no basis of right and wrong.
wcr4 1 year ago
@wcr4 ''if there's no God, then there's no "evil dogma." Because then there's no basis of right and wrong.'' I'm going to use this phrase as proof of the damage that brain-washing does to people, who cannot think of humans having a conscience outside of this narrow-minded God-world. I arrest my case!
marcohorowitz 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz You can have a conscience, for sure. But if there's no God, what's it based on? Evolutionary programming? If there's no absolute truth behind it, then it's arbitrary and worthless. Something based on irrationality or an irrational process like evolution can't be meaningful or right. Why should you work hard to have integrity if nothing ultimately matters anyway?
wcr4 1 year ago
I think Driscoll is just some guy who fornicated his whole life and used girls to get in their pants before he was ready to marry.
swagga07 1 year ago
@swagga07 and where'd you get that from?
muggrullen 1 year ago
@muggrullen - Well, he has said before in his interview with DL Hugley and other times, that he has had sex before marriage before he became a Christian. When I was younger I had girlfriends who I didn't have sex with and typically had a stronger relationship with Christ. To me it's silly to assume because your too young to marry, you just want someone for their reproductive sex organs.
swagga07 1 year ago
@swagga07 That is true. However, it's silly to keep pursuing marriage when you're not ready for it.
wcr4 1 year ago
It's sad that in harsh economic times like these, you can't get married because money is harder to come by.
Dejavu12321 1 year ago
If you wait until you are financially really to get married, you're may to be waiting until mid to late 20s or early to mid 30s. I feel going through financial struggles of a young person, with your partner, helps you grow and learn as a couple, in turn strengthening your relationship.
Corrinrr 1 year ago 17
Dating when you're young (IMO) is perfectly fine and healthy. It help young men and women figure out what they want in a life partner further down the line. On top of that how many of us meet our future spouse in High school or college. when they aren't "ready" by Pastor Driscolls definition?
Corrinrr 1 year ago
@Corrinrr hahaha so right.
JPreachHTK 1 year ago
@Corrinrr Mark never said there is anything wrong with going through financial struggles. I don't think Mark would disagree with you at all on that. But, if it takes until your mid 20's to mid 30's to be "financially able to marry" as Mark put it, then so be it! God is the authority on this & he doesn't take it lightly!
1 Timothy 5:8, "...if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
sigmundson 10 months ago
@Corrinrr Umm, I think he's talking about spiritual, mental and physical maturity. Remember, that Christ needs to be the center of the relationship, ALWAYS. That's where your strength comes from - not yourself, not your partner but CHRIST. He's right wherein if you're not ready for marriage then don't get into a relationship. Because after the dating stage, it's marriage. So pray first if this is the person God's wills you to be for the rest of your life and wait for His answer, not yours.
liancortez 8 months ago
WOW religion is SOO rediculous. why waste the prime of your youth NOT dating? This is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. obviously it's a natural, healthy part of life to experience love and all the ups and downs of being in a relationship. who is this guy to tell teenagers they shouldn't be dating? This makes me sick, religion is just sickening.
TheBrownTies 1 year ago
@TheBrownTies You waste the prime of your youth BY dating. It's not about religion but really it's common sense. WHY get emotionally connected to someone you're not going to marry? Why have sex or kiss or even hug or do anything that you know you won't be able to do for the rest of your life?
Don't waste your life, you only have ONE. When you're emotional, physically, FINANCIALLY and spiritually ready to accommodate a husband or a wife, that's when you can think about dating anyone. It's wisdom.
VokalMC 1 year ago
@VokalMC do those things because that's the peak of our sexual prime. it's not only physical, it's also emotional. the connect of having a special person is like nothing else in this world. Why hide these natural urges because a stupid book says so? as long as it's consensual and safe. dating someone let's you figure out who you are as a person and determine what you require in a relationship.
TheBrownTies 1 year ago
@VokalMC Wise words! I can see that you are preparing for a life in a monastery, or a nunnery. Good luck!
marcohorowitz 1 year ago