As a rookie aviator (30 years, however, never flown BIG IRON), I've NEVER purposely shut off an engine - never entered my mind. If I was getting type rated, and had to do this, I'd "opt out" on that one! It's like that kitchen light: If I shut it off, will it come back on when it flip the switch? Hummmmm.
wow....two complete retards there.....lotta guys on furlough and these two jack offs are shutting down engine in flight. can zoom in on the N number? call the faa
The checklist for an air start without a windmilling propeller on a PT6 engine (or with Ng below 12% aprx) is identical to the normal ground start checklist. I presume these people started the airplane on the ground before they left... this stop/feather/restart in flight serves no purpose other than to tempt Darwin.
*Sigh* Okay, from the top...They're in Stans, Austria, not the US of A. They have gobs of altitude, affording them time to do a procedural restart. They are not in a genuine emergency, thus allowing them to restart, otherwise known as "ideal conditions". They are also gliding unpropelled. Try doing this at 1,000 feet AGL and restarting...you won't make it. Turbines need time to prep and spool up. O, the comments of the uneducated and assuming...
@8literbeater I don't think you get it. Indeed, your scenario would be the most ideal conditions, but barring that, a few thousand feet is better than a few hundred. When you're in the air, that's about as 'ideal' as it can get. Besides, if you don't practice, how will you be ready if it *does* happen? Better to practice in appropriate conditions and not end up needing it than not practicing and being caught unprepared. Think about it; your post indicates you struggle at 3-dimesional thought.
@SenorSpode Your posts indicate that you struggle with a well rounded concept of appropriate, and ideal. Look, take all the chances you want. As for me, I don't think I'll be shutting my engine down just for the sake of seeing if it will restart. I'm not a gambling man by any means, and to me, if there's a 1 in 10,000 chance that something I can choose to do or not do, will cause an emergency, I'm gonna lean toward the sure thing. To each their own.
@SenorSpode Well, little guy, I have this documentation from the US FAA that says I'm allowed to fly pretty much anywhere I want to. They also said something about keeping the engines running. You can use my seat on the bus to put your backpack in. You cute little flight sim ace you!
Is this something they do in other countries? I know in the USA there is no single engine type rating that requires you to shut down the only engine you have. If there is a requirement, then a simulator is the only way to do it. The FAA could bust you for violating 91.13 if you did this in flight.
Man, shutting down the only working engine takes balls. While you can get a much better "feel" for how the airplane actually flys with an engine failure, drastic training of this type are better left to the sim....just look at the two guys who killed themselves in the 6-24-2006 PC-12/47 crash in Big Timber, Montana performing the good old 1,000' engine failure-return to airport maneuver. These things are better left to the sim.
@Airlinerfreak We can see that it says this was done during a type rating course. The main question I'm seeing, and the same question I have is "Why?" It's really a rhetorical question, meant to make a person think. Like think about how useless it is to practice engine failure/restart in the air, with all of your engines at the same time. (in this case one engine)
@Airlinerfreak For the same reasons that "off airport landings" shouldn't be part of the course. You can practice them, or simulate them, or whatever you like, it's just a bad idea to actually DO it when you don't have to. Like draining air out of a tire to train for flat tire landings, bad idea. I'm not saying that I know anything about Pilatus TRs or turbines for that matter, but if you can start it on the ground, can't you start it while gliding? You can glide with prop feathered, engine on.
@Airlinerfreak Thanks, I didn't know Pilatus was a mountain. Are there not ultralights in Switzerland or do you need a pilots license to fly them? Part 103 defines them in the US as being less than 254 lbs and 55 knots max cruise speed. I have never had a problem with them interfering with my flying. I'm glad we have the freedom to fly ultalights without a license, however I don't think I'd fly one, I don't trust them.
@flattrackmile shouldn't need a type rating, but pilot would require a high performance and complex endorsement. also, to operate above fl180 (which it is capable of), pilot needs instrument rating. then, since the service ceiling is fl300, a high altitude endorsement would also be required. so while it may not have a specific type rating, someone who just passed their checkride in a c150 today can't exactly go out and rent a pc-12 tomorrow.
First they feather the propeller. Second they shutdown the engine by removing the fuel flow. With the propeller not spinning and the turbine engine spooling down all that is left is gravity for propulsion. That is to say they are using gravity as their thrust vector. They are flying just like a "glider". Now if the engine fails to start again, they should have been in a good location to glide to an airport, they then land accordingly. If that does happen they land engine out.
As a rookie aviator (30 years, however, never flown BIG IRON), I've NEVER purposely shut off an engine - never entered my mind. If I was getting type rated, and had to do this, I'd "opt out" on that one! It's like that kitchen light: If I shut it off, will it come back on when it flip the switch? Hummmmm.
mmichaeldonavon 4 weeks ago
wow....two complete retards there.....lotta guys on furlough and these two jack offs are shutting down engine in flight. can zoom in on the N number? call the faa
beergut111 3 months ago
is the PC-12 approved for single-pilot ops?
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago
@DiamondPilotDan Yes
03Wale 4 months ago
These guys would look really dumb if that engine hadn't restarted. Sooner or later doing these types of things will catch up to them. Sad.
chubsmagoo 11 months ago
Wow. You have much bigger balls than me to turn your only engine off. WOW
Anrboy 1 year ago
Good video.
Questionable SOP's.
Downright shitty PDM.
The checklist for an air start without a windmilling propeller on a PT6 engine (or with Ng below 12% aprx) is identical to the normal ground start checklist. I presume these people started the airplane on the ground before they left... this stop/feather/restart in flight serves no purpose other than to tempt Darwin.
yacdirect 1 year ago 13
dork
planelover2000 7 months ago
@yacdirect This was one of the cert. flight for the NG.
av8orguy 6 months ago
*Sigh* Okay, from the top...They're in Stans, Austria, not the US of A. They have gobs of altitude, affording them time to do a procedural restart. They are not in a genuine emergency, thus allowing them to restart, otherwise known as "ideal conditions". They are also gliding unpropelled. Try doing this at 1,000 feet AGL and restarting...you won't make it. Turbines need time to prep and spool up. O, the comments of the uneducated and assuming...
SenorSpode 2 years ago
Correction: Stans, Switzerland.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
@SenorSpode "Ideal conditions" to shut down all of your engines = in front of your hangar, in whatever country.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater I don't think you get it. Indeed, your scenario would be the most ideal conditions, but barring that, a few thousand feet is better than a few hundred. When you're in the air, that's about as 'ideal' as it can get. Besides, if you don't practice, how will you be ready if it *does* happen? Better to practice in appropriate conditions and not end up needing it than not practicing and being caught unprepared. Think about it; your post indicates you struggle at 3-dimesional thought.
SenorSpode 1 year ago
@SenorSpode Your posts indicate that you struggle with a well rounded concept of appropriate, and ideal. Look, take all the chances you want. As for me, I don't think I'll be shutting my engine down just for the sake of seeing if it will restart. I'm not a gambling man by any means, and to me, if there's a 1 in 10,000 chance that something I can choose to do or not do, will cause an emergency, I'm gonna lean toward the sure thing. To each their own.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater Then take the fucking bus. You're quite incapable of grasping both reality and possibility. Stay lost, moron.
SenorSpode 1 year ago
@SenorSpode Well, little guy, I have this documentation from the US FAA that says I'm allowed to fly pretty much anywhere I want to. They also said something about keeping the engines running. You can use my seat on the bus to put your backpack in. You cute little flight sim ace you!
8literbeater 1 year ago
Is this something they do in other countries? I know in the USA there is no single engine type rating that requires you to shut down the only engine you have. If there is a requirement, then a simulator is the only way to do it. The FAA could bust you for violating 91.13 if you did this in flight.
av8rdav 2 years ago 3
Man, shutting down the only working engine takes balls. While you can get a much better "feel" for how the airplane actually flys with an engine failure, drastic training of this type are better left to the sim....just look at the two guys who killed themselves in the 6-24-2006 PC-12/47 crash in Big Timber, Montana performing the good old 1,000' engine failure-return to airport maneuver. These things are better left to the sim.
dylanhardman 2 years ago 10
If you could read, you would have known, that this is part of the Type Rating Course for the PC-12
Airlinerfreak 2 years ago
@Airlinerfreak We can see that it says this was done during a type rating course. The main question I'm seeing, and the same question I have is "Why?" It's really a rhetorical question, meant to make a person think. Like think about how useless it is to practice engine failure/restart in the air, with all of your engines at the same time. (in this case one engine)
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater Why shouldn't "inflight engine restart" be a point of the TR course?
Airlinerfreak 1 year ago
@Airlinerfreak For the same reasons that "off airport landings" shouldn't be part of the course. You can practice them, or simulate them, or whatever you like, it's just a bad idea to actually DO it when you don't have to. Like draining air out of a tire to train for flat tire landings, bad idea. I'm not saying that I know anything about Pilatus TRs or turbines for that matter, but if you can start it on the ground, can't you start it while gliding? You can glide with prop feathered, engine on.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater In my oppinion, this is personal taste. Some people like it real ;)
Airlinerfreak 1 year ago
@Airlinerfreak Okay, I agree with that.
Thank you for being sensible and not childish, that's not very common on YouTube.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater Thanks, too mate.
You're right: you hardly find someone to discuss normal and without verbal violence =)
Cheers
Airlinerfreak 1 year ago
@Airlinerfreak --- Since when does the PC12 need a type rating? Not in the US, maybe it's different where they make them.
flattrackmile 1 year ago
@flattrackmile Maybe...but in the US it is also permitted to fly a little plane without licence...
Pilatus Aircraft Company is located in Switzerland (Pilatus is a mountain there)
Airlinerfreak 1 year ago
@Airlinerfreak Thanks, I didn't know Pilatus was a mountain. Are there not ultralights in Switzerland or do you need a pilots license to fly them? Part 103 defines them in the US as being less than 254 lbs and 55 knots max cruise speed. I have never had a problem with them interfering with my flying. I'm glad we have the freedom to fly ultalights without a license, however I don't think I'd fly one, I don't trust them.
flattrackmile 1 year ago
@flattrackmile shouldn't need a type rating, but pilot would require a high performance and complex endorsement. also, to operate above fl180 (which it is capable of), pilot needs instrument rating. then, since the service ceiling is fl300, a high altitude endorsement would also be required. so while it may not have a specific type rating, someone who just passed their checkride in a c150 today can't exactly go out and rent a pc-12 tomorrow.
snoopyloopy 3 months ago
Ok? And they're still flying with thrust?
Robloxsaltytaco1234 2 years ago
First they feather the propeller. Second they shutdown the engine by removing the fuel flow. With the propeller not spinning and the turbine engine spooling down all that is left is gravity for propulsion. That is to say they are using gravity as their thrust vector. They are flying just like a "glider". Now if the engine fails to start again, they should have been in a good location to glide to an airport, they then land accordingly. If that does happen they land engine out.
jwhoneycomb 2 years ago
@jwhoneycomb- - - In the PC12, there is no separate prop control as in a King Air.
flattrackmile 1 year ago
Why would you do that in the AIR MAN? You train that in a flight simulator!
Kaipeternicolas 2 years ago 3
WHY?
FlyC152 2 years ago 3