Tegelikult selline kirjapilt nagu "gitarrist" on Eesti pungi austajate hulgas üsna populaarne. Näiteks Tõnu Trubetsky raamatus "Anarhistid" kasutab herr Blackplait täpselt sama varianti.
@tedipula They had to scale it down. It's mocking. They are mocking the American style of democracy. Where anything extreme is frowned upon. So they sang this song like they're little children.
@tedipula Depends on what you count as punk. The lyrics are punk for sure. The music is more punk than that oompah song by Sex Pistols called Anarchy in the U.K. So depends if you count oompah bands like Sex Pistols as punk or not, but music-wise this song goes in to the same category.
This soft rock version of the song is funny... you can really hear the sarcasm in Villu Tamme's voice. What a great historical document, although I prefer the more strident versions of this song. Oh, yeah, and Villu was HOT! ;) Greetings and wishes of peace to you Estonians, and to anyone else reading this!
heeh) true estonian. I recently read a book about the late 80's early punk '90s the Soviet Union there were talking about this group, these guys are funny
People from other countries gotta know one thing about history: when this band became a bit known n when they did this song on tv n gigs it could be almost dangerous to do this..it was a time when in estonia/russia you couldnt critizize the government without like getting executed or at least put out of business or something..i bet they thought about confiscating JMKE:s playing gear several times n probably cut the power from their training place n beat them up by night..so lots of respect jmke
of course there is...I'm pretty sure it's in this vid....it was a nice guy from estonia who tought me some things as I didn't know a dime what was the fuzz about perestroika...
thats true man haha btu i don´t like it and i get a right to say this right??
and by the way its a bit more than lyrics its a fucking lifestyle i grew up in the 70´s i lived it.... me and my buddys lived on an emty roadwork we cam from a broken home ........... read the text i wrote at a0n0t so i know whats punk is^^ don´t worry
@paulemasterman Okay. Im a Estonian. You dont know. What struggles our country has gone through. yes I understand your point of view. but Know that. Punk is different. Estonian punk is about working class people who lifed under fucking russia. and suffered a great deal of pain. We were poor and had nothing. Our only hope was freedom what came with singing. and. JMKE tells us about estonian history and thats the good thing about it. they protest. Like u protest against the shit you hate.
@paulemasterman this is "soft" version of the song and you are VERY wrong when you think punk has anything to do with "hard" rock music. Punk can differ from edge to edge and screaming out shit isn't what punk is about.
@paulemasterman this is "soft" version of the song and you are VERY wrong when you think punk has anything to do with "hard" rock music. Punk can differ from edge to edge and screaming out shit isn't what punk is about. go listen hard rock or death metal if that is what you like
hardrock i speak about HARDCORE PUNKhahadude i grewup in the late70´s in a mad society wehave to fight against redneckst with shotguns cops and other people. we get up at 8oclock in the morning started tosurf andskateboarding we lived together in an empty roadwork we camefrom broken homes mostly the majority ofus lived this life cuz of parents whohad a hateof theirchildren hit them etc and americanhardcore wasabout screaminout that shit we hate cuz we were angry frustrated sotellmewhatisPUNK?hah
@l0ph0nis wow this is pretty hard to translate, because it contains many words of local importance and slang only, but i might take it on later and post it here:P
@DeeWadee Sorry, but can´t you see the melangholic funeral theme of "Tere Perestroikka" in this video.
Just finding out Villu Tamme´s personal opinioins present life today in estonia. Can make you understand why J.M.K.E. made this kind of presentation on TV.
Once again in his life He´s not welcome to say his opinions in any public places.
Actually there is nothing bad in the idea of communism. The idea is that everyone are equal...But the problem was that everybody stole from their work and from their neighbors and so on...But they didn't understand, that everything what they stole from their country, neighbor or work, it was just as stealing from yourself...
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Im do not fucking bastard homos or regural fags, i dont like them,But if you do then you can go and fuck them all you want, you are the one who will end up with a mental illness
Hehe, communism isn't the issue, no, far from that. The problem is, that corruption still flocks in modern day Russia, everything anti-government is still being censored and the news still podcast only what government fathers want.. And the government, as it seems, wants wrongful information about Estonia to reach the Russian people. That's why I myself don't like modern day Russia much.
We have a lot of alternative sources of information (internet, cable TV), Only the 1st channel gives wrong info.Censore is only on state Television, Your news shows fake info about Russia, our news show fake about Estonia. Sad, but true.
Totally true. Estonian media has painted the picture of Russia as a imperialist police-state with no free media. What I say, is although media is censored in ways and some news are faked in many sources, but the thing is far from this our media is showing. And yes, the same false propaganda is going in Russian media too, only, what I'm afraid, is that brainwashed Russians are more dangeorus then brainwashed Estonians (as there are 100 million+ russians, but just 1 million+ Estonians).
Yeah, It's true. Your TV shows us as a fascists, our TV shows you as a fascists. Unfortunately, people believe in it. Maybe some day we'll undestand it and stop these stupid mutual insults..
define fascism... the only thing that estonian tv shows is the stupidity that kreml is propagating, democracy has been long lost in russia infact there never has been one. Turing white russians era it was monarchy. When lenin toke over the ideas of karl marx then the whole country was fked under communism era(of course if you know siberian femine). And now russian people are being blinded by so called Russian Federation in another words Communism.
Actually there have been democracy, but it was at the Middle age(12. century), when Kiev-Russia Empire fell apart, then Novgorod became democratic country what was governed by Veche. (Russian: вече)...So you can't actually say that there haven't been any democracy
noh lugesin ja uurisin ning targemaks seal ei saanud. Wiki väitis, et seal võis olla nii üht kui teist. Aga ma kippun arvama, et seal oli ikka mingi ülemvõim kes hoidis asjal silma peal. Eks see kontroll ja võim on alati inimestele nakkav olnud nagu tänapäeval seda eriti hästi näeb meedias.
haha, EU fucks you up much more than USSR, so shut up) Yeah, we've some problems with corruption, but this is the Soviet generation of people. They used to deceive state, because state deceived them much years ago. But new generation won't do this. We are not different to you. Someone on TV said this and you repeat it like stupid parrot..
Well, I agree almost everything you said, but the EU part is what I see differently. Yes, EU has taken some of our liberties, and I'm not in any way favoring it, but it is yet un-coperable to USSR, which invaded us, murdered, arrested and deported us.
And yes, corruption and all sort of problems are generated by Soviet mentality, it's not just in Russians, but in Estonians as well, maybe on a bit smaller scale, but still. We have to get over this and many problems would solve.
lol some problems with corruption? How about you stop stereotyping your self as the new generation You know the movement called nazi or something like that?(in russia) most members are new generation. Though i my self don't like most ideas of EU but if i had a choice between EU and USSR then i would gladly choose EU as there is better chance of not being sent to siberia or just massacred like in 50s. And you saying new generation won't do this is a very bold and ignorant statement.
Quite closed if you believe, that when Russian TV says we hate you then we hate you.
OMG!!!
Our TV never says you hate us. They say relationship between us is complicated. It's up to everybody what they want to think about other people and government can't say this. If your government says we hate you, then your government wants us to hate you so they could reply to this. If they don't say it and you think it is so, then you don't have an open view.
mind peetakse segaseks sest mulle meeldib punk! On see normaalne?
TheL152 1 month ago
@TheL152 "MA olen anarhist, ma olen punkar, ma olen maailma nael"
VikingrFraEsthland 1 month ago
@TheL152 ei...
linateos 1 month ago
Sounds more like they are trying to be reggae and ska than punk, but they have the look down.
bloderme 1 month ago
waaaaaaaaath the fuck ????
destrution666 2 months ago
ei keegi ei tea gitarristi,lolz :D (kitarristi)
myUSRNMsSOawsmBIATCH 3 months ago
@myUSRNMsSOawsmBIATCH
Tegelikult selline kirjapilt nagu "gitarrist" on Eesti pungi austajate hulgas üsna populaarne. Näiteks Tõnu Trubetsky raamatus "Anarhistid" kasutab herr Blackplait täpselt sama varianti.
bluesupporterEST 2 months ago
de tanke septico se salio este
ThePorto7 4 months ago
õppige maailm, kuradi molud!!!!! Sex pistols on Villu kõrval jahu!
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this is not punk
tedipula 6 months ago
@tedipula yes it is
kenkaish 6 months ago
@tedipula They had to scale it down. It's mocking. They are mocking the American style of democracy. Where anything extreme is frowned upon. So they sang this song like they're little children.
johanneshint 6 months ago
@tedipula What is it then?
UnrealisticGamers 4 months ago
@tedipula Who says?
The5howMustGoOn 3 months ago
@tedipula Depends on what you count as punk. The lyrics are punk for sure. The music is more punk than that oompah song by Sex Pistols called Anarchy in the U.K. So depends if you count oompah bands like Sex Pistols as punk or not, but music-wise this song goes in to the same category.
Frogthroat1 2 months ago
Who said that JMKE isnt punk? Check another songs, example that here - ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGF3DYih6E&feature=related
Aloneil23 6 months ago
Greetings from Colombia Estonians.. Punk not dead!
riquelmegonza1 7 months ago 12
Anna käppa ka :D
Huzyormammy 7 months ago
Auuuu, aaauuuuu.
Finnishpunkgirl 7 months ago
ma tean seda drummarit vist ta mu tuttav
georg49021 7 months ago
@georg49021
Aga gitarristi ei tea või?
Huzyormammy 7 months ago
This soft rock version of the song is funny... you can really hear the sarcasm in Villu Tamme's voice. What a great historical document, although I prefer the more strident versions of this song. Oh, yeah, and Villu was HOT! ;) Greetings and wishes of peace to you Estonians, and to anyone else reading this!
guigne01 8 months ago 5
Juubeldab rahvas juhhei au au-au-au...
VikingrFraEsthland 8 months ago 3
Au! form Kiev!)
mitykas 9 months ago
Millega tollel ajal need juuksed niimoodi seisma pandi?
jobu9220 9 months ago
@jobu9220 seebiveega, :)
estpwner 9 months ago
heeh) true estonian. I recently read a book about the late 80's early punk '90s the Soviet Union there were talking about this group, these guys are funny
flakky1 10 months ago
People from other countries gotta know one thing about history: when this band became a bit known n when they did this song on tv n gigs it could be almost dangerous to do this..it was a time when in estonia/russia you couldnt critizize the government without like getting executed or at least put out of business or something..i bet they thought about confiscating JMKE:s playing gear several times n probably cut the power from their training place n beat them up by night..so lots of respect jmke
Haestackaawittoo 11 months ago 5
Cool! Kooooooo!
Gembaism 11 months ago
greetings from brasil
seodito 11 months ago
Mõnel on hääl ära
HannahAndMariaStars 11 months ago
Iso kunnioitus Villu Tammelle ja muille hänenkaltaisilleen muusikoille. Vaikka Virossa oli tuolloin vaikeat ajat, he uskalsivat sanoa totuuden.
polkuauto55 11 months ago 30
@polkuauto55 NÄIN ON hyvä ettei JMKE:tä teloitettu tästä hyvästä..
Haestackaawittoo 11 months ago
are they latvian oder esti ?
pofkelt 11 months ago
@pofkelt They're Estonian, if that was what you were asking
Ethylean 11 months ago
@pofkelt Eesti
karuke01 9 months ago
Too bad there is no translation :(
SaBracaSam 1 year ago
@SaBracaSam
of course there is...I'm pretty sure it's in this vid....it was a nice guy from estonia who tought me some things as I didn't know a dime what was the fuzz about perestroika...
l0ph0nis 1 year ago
@l0ph0nis Ich hab eine andere Version des Videos gesehen wo es auf Finnisch übersetzt ist, aber hier gibts keine...
SaBracaSam 1 year ago
@SaBracaSam The video with Finnish subtitles was because it was an extract prom a TV programme by Finnish YLE TV.
karuke01 9 months ago
JMKE= Jeesus Maria Karjatas Eit
:)
siid123456789 1 year ago
JMKE oli Jänestele Meeldib Korvis Elada või Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees
teibipoiss1 1 year ago
He was HOT! <3 And song is great!
Tinneri10 1 year ago 2
Pidän sanoista.
:)
polkuauto55 1 year ago
Auuuuuu e.e
SulphurSkiin 1 year ago
whch language is this? :D russian?^^
666ChaosPunk 1 year ago
@666ChaosPunk No this is Estonian :DD
fnkyyy 1 year ago 3
@666ChaosPunk
estonian.
papu112 1 year ago
klassika!
TyseAsi 1 year ago
tykkään.................:9
maarettii 1 year ago
no villu praegult hoopis teistsugusem,
kui see siin on üldse villu
:D
karla431 1 year ago
XD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paster59 1 year ago
Great Band, just find them today, normaly i preffer latin punk, but this is great! I just wish i could understand the lyrics.
clausgoethe 1 year ago
mis pagana joodikud moskva kohviku ees??
@statiqc kuradi õigus sul.
OssimanFox 1 year ago
how gay is that
paulemasterman 1 year ago
@paulemasterman not as gay as you. You listen to Youth Brigade ...lol whos gay here?
a0n0t 1 year ago
@a0n0t yea i listen to youthbrigade where punk was punk not such a stupid soft rock like j.mk.e tere blablabbla haha
actually i like oldschool but thats the gayest shit iv ever heard sry bro
paulemasterman 1 year ago
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PleasurablyNumb 1 year ago
thats true man haha btu i don´t like it and i get a right to say this right??
and by the way its a bit more than lyrics its a fucking lifestyle i grew up in the 70´s i lived it.... me and my buddys lived on an emty roadwork we cam from a broken home ........... read the text i wrote at a0n0t so i know whats punk is^^ don´t worry
paulemasterman 1 year ago
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PleasurablyNumb 1 year ago
@paulemasterman Okay. Im a Estonian. You dont know. What struggles our country has gone through. yes I understand your point of view. but Know that. Punk is different. Estonian punk is about working class people who lifed under fucking russia. and suffered a great deal of pain. We were poor and had nothing. Our only hope was freedom what came with singing. and. JMKE tells us about estonian history and thats the good thing about it. they protest. Like u protest against the shit you hate.
Gentuu 1 year ago
@paulemasterman this is "soft" version of the song and you are VERY wrong when you think punk has anything to do with "hard" rock music. Punk can differ from edge to edge and screaming out shit isn't what punk is about.
a0n0t 1 year ago
@paulemasterman this is "soft" version of the song and you are VERY wrong when you think punk has anything to do with "hard" rock music. Punk can differ from edge to edge and screaming out shit isn't what punk is about. go listen hard rock or death metal if that is what you like
a0n0t 1 year ago
hardrock i speak about HARDCORE PUNKhahadude i grewup in the late70´s in a mad society wehave to fight against redneckst with shotguns cops and other people. we get up at 8oclock in the morning started tosurf andskateboarding we lived together in an empty roadwork we camefrom broken homes mostly the majority ofus lived this life cuz of parents whohad a hateof theirchildren hit them etc and americanhardcore wasabout screaminout that shit we hate cuz we were angry frustrated sotellmewhatisPUNK?hah
paulemasterman 1 year ago
which language is that?
666STAGEofRAGE666 1 year ago
@666STAGEofRAGE666 Its in Estonian
Njaaks 1 year ago
Moder Russia is nice ^^
Dolgovec18 1 year ago
BUGAGA
nef930 1 year ago
is it estonian?
Saufbruder666 1 year ago
wie geil , voll die geile punkband
nigpil 1 year ago
@nigpil mein erster gedanke war SCHWUL, dann habe ich es als komische new-wave-kapelle zur kenntnis genommen. punk ist was anderes ;)
madtrashmax77 1 year ago
J.M.K.E - Joodikud mustamäe körtsi ees
PitchBl4ckK 1 year ago
Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees:D
TheRigomort 1 year ago
Jalaga Persse Kommunistlikule Eestile - JMKE
statiqc 1 year ago
@statiqc
Täpselt seda see tähendaski.Kus teadsid?
timberjack45 1 year ago
Is this David Beckham?
favsncrap 1 year ago
@favsncrap no
xxEstlandGirlxx 1 year ago
@favsncrap No, he is way cooler than Beckham.
loadup88 1 year ago 42
mis kamm viimasel ajal, villul keskeakriis v, aina roosad ja helesinised harjad. vot siin on öige sonks......
MsSaunataga 1 year ago
eino, mis sa kostad, demokraatia on nii suur, et seda imetledes lahti jääbki suu (Y)
liisu94 1 year ago
villu antud soeng ja riietus on läbi aegade parim
MsSaunataga 1 year ago 2
tere auuuuuuu au
alisalesa 1 year ago
(((((Serene is the sky, the sea is blue
Every human now lives at full blast
hammer and sickle dont beat nobody no more
- From now they stand for merry work.
the red flag feels horrid no more
Tractor ploughs a field))))
criuq 1 year ago
J.M.K.E = Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees :D:D:D
theshadow49 1 year ago
klassika
galanterii 1 year ago
hah. 8) <3
BakaLilleri 1 year ago
........... wtf ???
pepepiolavago 1 year ago
can someone please translate me the text? I love the melody but don't understand a single word :-)
l0ph0nis 1 year ago
@l0ph0nis wow this is pretty hard to translate, because it contains many words of local importance and slang only, but i might take it on later and post it here:P
kart84trak 1 year ago 2
thanks!
l0ph0nis 1 year ago
@l0ph0nis single 80.s estonia punk police punk friends.:D
villivallatu 1 year ago
Õlle ja puidu lakkiga ajati harjad püsti omal ajal !
GabberMan69 1 year ago
päris emodel ei ole tavaliselt raha laki ja naha jaoks.kulub õllele ja suitsule.
JonnuWasHere 1 year ago
Väga mõnus laul, kusjuures. ;)
MissoTube 2 years ago 3
Riide-soengu stiil ei sobi väga akustilise live'ile, aga sellest on täiesti suva..
Väga meeldib see laul muidu!
IXOY3follower 2 years ago 3
Suht jõhker hari peas ikka
heavy600 2 years ago 24
@heavy600 jah, teda sai varreotsa kleepida ja põrandat nühkida!
JaksProductions 1 year ago
Kes bassi mängib selles videos? Who plays bass in this video?
CoudyRamone 2 years ago
Tarvo Hanno Varres
sanyaefz 2 years ago
ja drumm on Vaino?
CoudyRamone 2 years ago
Venno Vanamölder
sanyaefz 2 years ago 3
tanx mees
CoudyRamone 2 years ago
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Damn that sucks! Original version is 100 times better.
DeeWadee 2 years ago
@DeeWadee Sorry, but can´t you see the melangholic funeral theme of "Tere Perestroikka" in this video.
Just finding out Villu Tamme´s personal opinioins present life today in estonia. Can make you understand why J.M.K.E. made this kind of presentation on TV.
Once again in his life He´s not welcome to say his opinions in any public places.
studiokalle 2 years ago 4
lOLsee ongi originaal ainult paarkümment aastat tagasi see on Villu Tamme
Telepets 2 years ago 3
J.M.K.E. = Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Eest
equizt 2 years ago
oligi või?
falls0ft 2 years ago
J.M.K.E.=Jah Muidugi Kuid Ei
sadguy01 2 years ago
jeesus maria karjatas eit
ajtsok93 1 year ago 2
wait, how is this punk again?
happycarnage 2 years ago
this is a slow version of it and the most of all: u probably don't understand the lyrics, moron
Peanut1939 2 years ago
you know... tha hair and jeans. and the signs on their clothes.
ivanofna 2 years ago
какая охуенная группа!куда русским группам того времени до них!
mrazenish 2 years ago 2
не поленись, поищи смоленскую команду "Нянечка". там реально панк-рок-нот-деад))
chuneyy 2 years ago
Ikkagi "Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees" , hea laul tho:D
markkevin0 2 years ago 4
What a great song ! GO VIRO !
aivopark 2 years ago 3
J.M.K.E. = Jalgratta matk kiirteel eesti
CoudyRamone 2 years ago 7
and what does that mean?
jimday666 2 years ago
Bicycle trip (on) freeway (to) Estonia
CoudyRamone 2 years ago
Pigem, "Jeesus Maria!" Karjatas eit.
AwwSoCute 2 years ago 14
Kas see ei olnud mitte: "Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees"?
linateos 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute
Pigem Joodikud Moskva kohviku ees
woundedkne 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute Joodikud moskva kohviku ees
TheRantz 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute Joodikus Moskva Kohviku Ees on!
theKarst 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute Pigem hoopis Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees
theKarst 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute Jalaga Keradesse Kommunismi Ehitajatele ehk?
Tealover0010 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute aga hoopis on " Joodikud moskva kohviku ees " :D
tafenau24 1 year ago
@AwwSoCute või siis joodik moskva kohviku ees
TarksTV 1 year ago
Siiski nagu Villu Tamme ütles
Joodikud Moskva kohviku ees.
kurat912 1 year ago
@kurat912
või
Jänestel Meeldib Korvis Elada
CoudyRamone 1 year ago
Tegelikult Joodikud Moskva Kohviku Ees :D
mannuu12 1 year ago
Actually there is nothing bad in the idea of communism. The idea is that everyone are equal...But the problem was that everybody stole from their work and from their neighbors and so on...But they didn't understand, that everything what they stole from their country, neighbor or work, it was just as stealing from yourself...
MartinSakur 2 years ago
i can tell you guys this the boring version.xD
bectes900 2 years ago
And don't be afraid, there are not so much brainwashed people in both countries, not all exposed to propaganda.
RusAlexXx 2 years ago
Let's hope that most people are reasonable.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago
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so fucking gay
yannie3000 2 years ago
tere kõik eestlased :D / love the song from estonia
TiMpSkin 2 years ago 3
lol
MuDaGGGG 2 years ago
no üliseks on ta siin :D
8EmotionInMotion8 2 years ago
Ухаха , им только "От улыбки..." петь)
MsMrakobes 2 years ago
Hahah Great Sing
Smarsw 2 years ago
I have heard this song at Podolsk Festival in 1987. I wander when this record could be made.
dkuzmin 2 years ago
Fuck every homophobic bastard on this thread.
OutlawVagabond871 2 years ago 4
why do you want to fuck homophobic bastards? fagget
pasaratas61 2 years ago
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you fucking bastardas homo
gusskull 2 years ago
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Im do not fucking bastard homos or regural fags, i dont like them,But if you do then you can go and fuck them all you want, you are the one who will end up with a mental illness
pasaratas61 2 years ago
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what the fuck?
absturtz 2 years ago
Gorbatshov For the Win!!!
DefIsCurse 2 years ago 3
Russia Federation is bullshit!!!! Stalin was a fucking homo!!!!!
DefIsCurse 2 years ago 22
haha :D
Estrulezz 2 years ago 3
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Biggest homo ever
TthemanJ 2 years ago
haha :D good lad
Skibbaaa 2 years ago
yes, Stalin was an idiot, but why did u abbuse modern Russia? We like Baltic people, it's true. And we hate communism too
RusAlexXx 2 years ago 14
We dont hate modern Russia, that song was created in the 80-s :D
ContinentalGT1 2 years ago 5
mmm...I didn't know it) I understood just one word, but song's rly cute :-D
RusAlexXx 2 years ago
Hehe, communism isn't the issue, no, far from that. The problem is, that corruption still flocks in modern day Russia, everything anti-government is still being censored and the news still podcast only what government fathers want.. And the government, as it seems, wants wrongful information about Estonia to reach the Russian people. That's why I myself don't like modern day Russia much.
MahaSavisaar 2 years ago
We have a lot of alternative sources of information (internet, cable TV), Only the 1st channel gives wrong info.Censore is only on state Television, Your news shows fake info about Russia, our news show fake about Estonia. Sad, but true.
RusAlexXx 2 years ago 3
Totally true. Estonian media has painted the picture of Russia as a imperialist police-state with no free media. What I say, is although media is censored in ways and some news are faked in many sources, but the thing is far from this our media is showing. And yes, the same false propaganda is going in Russian media too, only, what I'm afraid, is that brainwashed Russians are more dangeorus then brainwashed Estonians (as there are 100 million+ russians, but just 1 million+ Estonians).
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago 2
Yeah, It's true. Your TV shows us as a fascists, our TV shows you as a fascists. Unfortunately, people believe in it. Maybe some day we'll undestand it and stop these stupid mutual insults..
RusAlexXx 2 years ago 2
Maybe there is the difference: estoniand TV DONT show russians as fascists.
Toodz26 2 years ago 3
maybe.. But there is only negative news about russia
RusAlexXx 2 years ago
define fascism... the only thing that estonian tv shows is the stupidity that kreml is propagating, democracy has been long lost in russia infact there never has been one. Turing white russians era it was monarchy. When lenin toke over the ideas of karl marx then the whole country was fked under communism era(of course if you know siberian femine). And now russian people are being blinded by so called Russian Federation in another words Communism.
jahum4gi 2 years ago
Actually there have been democracy, but it was at the Middle age(12. century), when Kiev-Russia Empire fell apart, then Novgorod became democratic country what was governed by Veche. (Russian: вече)...So you can't actually say that there haven't been any democracy
MartinSakur 2 years ago
democracy in middle ages?lol link me information about i want to read it... that just can't true.
jahum4gi 2 years ago
Loe ajalooõpikut näiteks. 8. klassi õpikus peaksid leidma. VÕi siis wikipeediast Novgorodi alt.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago
noh lugesin ja uurisin ning targemaks seal ei saanud. Wiki väitis, et seal võis olla nii üht kui teist. Aga ma kippun arvama, et seal oli ikka mingi ülemvõim kes hoidis asjal silma peal. Eks see kontroll ja võim on alati inimestele nakkav olnud nagu tänapäeval seda eriti hästi näeb meedias.
jahum4gi 2 years ago
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CoudyRamone 2 years ago
modern russia, what modern russia. its exactly the same what 20 years ago.
maasicas 2 years ago
haha, EU fucks you up much more than USSR, so shut up) Yeah, we've some problems with corruption, but this is the Soviet generation of people. They used to deceive state, because state deceived them much years ago. But new generation won't do this. We are not different to you. Someone on TV said this and you repeat it like stupid parrot..
RusAlexXx 2 years ago 2
Well, I agree almost everything you said, but the EU part is what I see differently. Yes, EU has taken some of our liberties, and I'm not in any way favoring it, but it is yet un-coperable to USSR, which invaded us, murdered, arrested and deported us.
And yes, corruption and all sort of problems are generated by Soviet mentality, it's not just in Russians, but in Estonians as well, maybe on a bit smaller scale, but still. We have to get over this and many problems would solve.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 years ago 3
lol, you have no idea what ur talkingf about, typical russian
maasicas 2 years ago
Did you say it to me? mm..most people understand me..except you, of course) so arrowy tongue, typical estonian..
RusAlexXx 2 years ago
lol some problems with corruption? How about you stop stereotyping your self as the new generation You know the movement called nazi or something like that?(in russia) most members are new generation. Though i my self don't like most ideas of EU but if i had a choice between EU and USSR then i would gladly choose EU as there is better chance of not being sent to siberia or just massacred like in 50s. And you saying new generation won't do this is a very bold and ignorant statement.
jahum4gi 2 years ago
@RusAlexXx
And you believe all what your channels say?
pkwild618 1 year ago
@pkwild618
do YOU believe your channels?))
Man, It's TV, It lies, our channels lie, your channels lie, american channels lie. Fuck, even the national geografic lies)
RusAlexXx 1 year ago
@RusAlexXx
Quite closed if you believe, that when Russian TV says we hate you then we hate you.
OMG!!!
Our TV never says you hate us. They say relationship between us is complicated. It's up to everybody what they want to think about other people and government can't say this. If your government says we hate you, then your government wants us to hate you so they could reply to this. If they don't say it and you think it is so, then you don't have an open view.
pkwild618 1 year ago
@pkwild618
First, those my comments were made a year ago, I was much more stupid, I was 15 :D
Then, our government don't say that you hate us.
Every person, who watch TV don't have an open view, in every country. I've already said it.
Man, I don't give a shit what my government say about your country, I can communicate with other people abroad and make my own point of view
RusAlexXx 1 year ago
The main problem is that most people (adult, old people) in my country still have the soviet mentality.
They just need someone to hate, and they sure that eveyone hates them. Enemies, enemies around ..fuck
Government just use it, they make PR on it
But It's not forever, really. Peace will come)
I hope so
RusAlexXx 1 year ago
@DefIsCurse no shit, YAY! Jumalaga, Moskva - Kuradi Eided :D
tagtag66 1 year ago