May The Best Car Win

[Flooned]

GM's approach to cars: "Let's see how many cars we can make, and the ones that flop can just sit there"

[TheBenji1983]

the best car did win for a long time then you guys replaced the excellent 3.1, 3.4, and 3.8 litre engines with the new 3500 and 3900 v6 engines that blow head gaskets at 40,000 miles and replaced the super reliable 4.3 v6 with those crappy inline 5 and 6 cyl motors if it aint broke dont fix it! 

[SpiritA350]

@TheBenji1983

What? The 4.2 I6 is leagues better than the four point WHEEZE. Greater power, greater reliability, and a better engine overall.

[TheBenji1983]

@SpiritA350

just wait till you get to have a timing chain put in it and its in the shop for two weeks because they didnt put a normal timing cover on the block or your exhaust manifold breaks and you get to put out $900 to get that fixed im not saying the new stuff is terrible but the old stuff was better my dad had 3 astro vans with 4.3 engines and he got over 400k miles out of each of them with very little trouble i just sold my 678k mile 4.3 s10

[SpiritA350]

@TheBenji1983

Dude the timing chain thing is an issue with the 3.6 V6, not the 4.2 I6. There may be some isolated incidents, but the 4.2's timing chains are good. The 4.3 is a good engine, no doubt, but the 4.2 deserved to live, not the 4.3.

[TheBenji1983]

@SpiritA350

speaking as a former gm service advisor they are about equal the problem with the 4.2 is it is a headache to work on not complete junk but i wouldnt trade my s10 for it

[SpiritA350]

@TheBenji1983

Interesting. Our Envoy is really easy to work on, IMHO, with oil changes being the easiest. It's a rock solid motor that (I hope) will never give us trouble. It makes great power too. Imagine it with Direct Injection, dual VVT, and twin turbos!

[mucura1]

BMW, Nissan, Honda, Porsche (minus the douchebag owner factor), and Subaru for me!

[Richierich1285]

the only thing chevy won was their bankrupt case

[Neonspinnazz30]

I think every brand in that picture is cool, but Chevy...

May the best car win?

A Tesla, Lotus, Porsche, MB, smart (in 2008), Audi, Ford, and a Land Rover roundhouse kicked GM into bankruptcy and government ownership!

[JaneyL12]

porsche, ferrari, bmw, audi, vwm astin martin, infiniti may the best car win!

[realest114]

Lamborghini MAY THE BEST CAR WIN

[karatcha]

And coming soon, MAHINDRA.

[ScorpiusII]

Cadillac every day.

[puffrooster]

if I could only buy ONE car then it would be an Aston Martin DBS!

everything else is just a vehicle...

[blazzing4321]

chevy, ford, porsche, audi, gmc, vw, chrysler, bmw are my favorites!!!

[TGram29]

Yeah, best ad ever

Totally not making yourselves look like asses

[deepen03]

yup great ad, I choose Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, and BMW. :D

Screw GM and Ford. Lets see which car wins after 100,000 miles and GM will be on the bottom..

[peterkuhf]

I choosed for a new Peugeot 308 . May the beste car win .

We in europe don't want azia shit , buy only european and american cars .

[animetodamaximum]

@peterkuhf same in america

[tenshilvrz]

With hundreds of cars out there, trust me I will not buy an American mexican made car! Did you know that GM philosophy when they started was to make cheap cars so people would have to buy parts or a new car? Well that philosophy... hasn't changed. Ford and Chrysler are not innocent to this way of making cars. GM guys were liars before imagine now that they have politicians to tell them what to do.

[NOZblast2]

Okay, lets put GM and Ford into a game of chess.

GM: You move Ford.

Ford: (Jumps 3) Checkmate.

GM: O_O damn it.

[mohamedselim10]

hahaha i agree with akui88

[stichy420]

The best cars did win GM, your bankrupt! :D

[JeepCherokeeKid]

and still making cars whats your point, they just dont know how to manage money

[artistone123]

so why keep them in business and give them more money if they cant manage money in the first place? Whats your point?

[JeepCherokeeKid]

they got new management, it was a thing they had to do to get the bailout. and the new camaros sales will save the company on its own. they waited to long to bring it back.

[KevinKishimoto]

LOL you said it pal.

[whackmaster21]

@stichy420 Not anymore! :D

That's why they're selling the second-most cars in the world right now?

Shitty cars would explain that wouldn't it.

[stichy420]

@whackmaster21 LOL, Government Motors is selling cars, but not in America silly (where it counts)

1 selling car in America = Ford F-Series

2 Toyota Camry, not shitty Government Motor

GM, is still bankrupt, and Americans are still not buying them.

And honestly anyone with half a brain wouldn't waste their time or money on them now. After all the money we gave Government Motors against our wills, they should have to give out free cars to the working class of America!!

I mean who wants to buy junk?

[whackmaster21]

@stichy420 Why does it only count in America, and a Toyota is American that's right, they count. And no the F-series is not the most selling, and yes pure junk is ehy they sell the second-most cars in the world and have the best warranty.

[stichy420]

@whackmaster21 look you can say what you want dude lol, GM is junk everyone knows it, only a fool would invest into a company that refuse to update themselves. Example: The Volt, chevy had it right in the 90's with the EV1, almost 20years later they somehow lost the technology and can only built a hunk of crap that can only go 40miles gas free. The EV1 made +100mile trips on a single charge. Looks like business a usual for GM, building junk and trying to sell it for to much.

[whackmaster21]

@stichy420 I'm sorry but the sales don't lie. You do not sell the most vehicles if your building crap.

[stichy420]

@whackmaster21 @whackmaster21 Your right, you go bankrupt. Then wave your hands in the air screaming you paid back the money (with money you borrowed, not earned) dude get off it GM is old news you can preach all you want majority of Americans opinion won't change. GM = Trash

[whackmaster21]

@stichy420

Yup, think there trash and who was standing right next to them begging for money. Old news, not what the sales say.

[jeepman787]

ford is

[akui88]

GM should just give a car to every tax paying family in ameirica.

-it will be hailed as the best marketing plan ever!

[MrChrisgalliher]

Then maybe you should move.

[Pookatube]

GM Made a mistake killing Pontiac and Oldsmobile. Ed Whitacre wil not be a GM for long!

[Watcher3223]

IMO, the only brands that should have remained.

Chevrolet

Pontiac (provisionally)

Cadillac

GMC (provisionally)

Pontiac: build only low volume, high performance cars on platforms exclusive to the marque. Cannibalism of Corvette and Camaro sales could be a problem, though.

The provision for GMC: GMC makes all vans, CUVs, SUVs, and trucks. Chevrolet will concentrate only on cars and minivans. Otherwise, scrap GMC if there will be Chevy trucks.

Dealers:

Chevrolet / GMC

Pontiac / Cadillac

[Watcher3223]

Buick and, unfortunately, Oldsmobile are redundant lines. What do they offer that Chevrolet and Cadillac cannot?

Cadillac is just as capable as Mercedes-Benz and Lexus in catering to the near-luxury market as they are to the high end luxury market.

Chevrolet can offer economy and upper scale models just like Honda and Volkswagen.

With those points in mind, why do they need Buick and Oldsmobile?

[BamFor07]

Olds is long gone they wrapped up production several years ago. Get your facts straight.

[Watcher3223]

I was talking with someone else who said that killing Olds was a big mistake.

Except, Olds was redundant. Buick is mentioned because they are also redundant.

Perhaps before you tell someone to get their facts straight, you should be sure you understood the context of the message before opening your mouth.

[BamFor07]

Alright Bill Clinton I guess that depends on your definition of the word "is". Buick is not redundant. The Buick line is in the process of a thorough refresh and has shown some signs of life. The new Buick line is ment to not step on any other GM brands toes hence the new LaCrosse is slated under the CTS yet above the Malibu/Impala. You should look up the article "China, the land where Buick is king".

[Watcher3223]

"Buick is not redundant."

It is redundant if Cadillac can cater to the same market; the near-luxury market.

There are near-luxury models available from Lincoln, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Acura, et al.

Buick is not needed as Cadillac can more than adequately satisfy that market. All Buick may do is potentially steal sales from Cadillac.

As for Buick selling in China, so what? Buick is positioned differently in China selling cars that is uncharacteristic of Buick in North America.

[BamFor07]

You are showing a real lack of knowledge here friend. Cadillac is not a near luxury brand. Cadillac is intended to be a full line of luxury vehicles. Buick is near luxury, hence the price difference between the high end LaCrosse and CTS. Models such as the 3 series, C Class and IS are not near luxury they are entry level vehicles as all of these brands offer high end models as does Cadillac. Cadillac is slated above Buick end of story one near luxury one luxury.

[Watcher3223]

"Cadillac is not a near luxury brand."

The 3 series, C class, and IS are considered near-luxury models by professional automotive reviewers and the automakers of those products.

This is because "near-luxury" is another term for ENTRY LEVEL.

And, as the people who thought up that nomenclature are in the car business and you are not, I tend to take their information a bit more seriously than yours.

So, what is it you were saying about me having a lack of knowledge?

And I am not your friend.

[BamFor07]

You have proven my point, you don't know jack, friend. Cadillac is a luxury brand, friend. Buick is near luxury, friend. Maybe you should try reading GM's plan as opposed to making up your own nomenclature etc, friend.

"So, what is it you were saying about me having a lack of knowledge?" I am saying that you are an idiot and don't get the fact Cadillac is a luxury brand and Buick is not, hard concepts huh friend.

Yawn, got some more half witted retorts for me? how bout some more incorrect bs?

[Watcher3223]

"You have proven my point."

Rubbish, and I explained my position quite clearly so there is no excuse for your ignorance.

[Watcher3223]

Refrain from the name calling. It is unnecessary and uncalled for.

Have I ever resorted to that against you?

[Watcher3223]

"Cadillac is a luxury brand and Buick is not"

So, why are Buick and Cadillac poised as competitors against Lexus, among all automakers?

[BamFor07]

Here, I will put it so simply even you can understand friend.

Cadillac CTS- entry level Cadillac model most models are in the mid to high 30's as high as almost 50k.

Buick LaCrosse- highest Buick starts at 27k and goes as high as mid etc 30's.

See how those are not at the same price point. That is as close to overlap the Buick and Cadillac lines cross.

You want to tell me the Escalade and Enclave are going to cannibalize sales?

[Watcher3223]

If Buick is being marketed as a competitor against Lexus, this also means that Buick is a competitor against Cadillac.

And, because the Buick LaCrosse is priced lower but offers luxury comparable to Lexus models, the same also applies against Cadillac's CTS and possibly even the DTS; why would anyone pay thousands more for the Cadillac marque in that case?

Just because the price points don't match doesn't change how the cars are being marketed and what they're supposed to compete against.

[BamFor07]

Yawn, the Buick is being marketed against a Lexus ES the blacksheep of the Lexus lineup, friend. It competes with no other Lexus. Your point is mute. The DTS is going away soon anyways. The CTS is a different driving experience compared to any Buick. The point is the Buick line is not redundant, only your arguments.

[Watcher3223]

"Your point is mute."

I believe you mean "moot."

"The DTS is going away soon anyways."

The next generation DTS may be made as a hybrid ("hybrid" as in a combination, not a type of drivetrain) of the DTS and the STS.

[BamFor07]

Your point being? This comment is superfluous. If you are trying to demonstrate some general automotive knowledge, that is kind of funny you feel the need to.

[Watcher3223]

"The CTS is a different driving experience..."

And the Lexus IS is what the CTS is up against.

"the Buick line is not redundant, only your arguments."

Again with the personal attacks.

Are you so insecure that you must insult and attack others for disagreeing? It must make you feel more powerful to hide behind a keyboard and act the way you do.

[BamFor07]

The CTS competes in price with an IS but if we are talking about product placement etc it competes car for car right in between the IS and GS or 3 and 5 series.

Whine about "personal attacks". My point still stands, the Buick line is not redundant, you just simply don't know what you are talking about and now you are arguing for the sake of argument and are reaching out for anything to keep this going. Go somewhere else and pretend to know jack about cars. Here you are just another idiot.

[Watcher3223]

"Whine about "personal attacks..."

The point is you can still make your contention without using YouTube as an extension of your penis (you asked for that one).

You do not need to call anyone an idiot, Bill Clinton, or to tell someone to pull ones head out of a piece of human anatomy. That shows poor taste and an inability to converse intelligently on your part, not to mention that it will get you nowhere in trying to convert anyone towards your viewpoints.

[BamFor07]

Thats you friend, you are the one trying to "show" how much you know by making stupid arguments about Buick being redundant.

There is not converting anybody here, there is right and there is wrong you are wrong. You are also the one who got indignant when I called you friend. As for conversing intelligently, why? you are simply wrong, conversing intelligently is right out the window thanks to you on that one friend. You about done talking?

[Watcher3223]

"You are also the one who got indignant when I called you friend."

Thanks for the laugh.

Since when did saying that you're not my friend being indignant?

[BamFor07]

I have to explain this to you too? Seriously man your stupidity is getting annoying.

[Watcher3223]

I'm having a lot of fun watching your attitude disintegrate.

[BamFor07]

Not gonna lie, you are one creepy SOB. It's almost like you are adding tone etc to this entire conversation and literally believing things are going your way. You are arguing with what you are creating in your own mind. You were wrong get over it. Get with reality and shut up.

[Watcher3223]

I'm a creepy SOB, huh?

What makes me creep you out, the fact that I'm making your blood pressure rise into a boil?

What I see in GM is the same "head in the sand" attitude and baseless arrogance that got them where they were in the first place.

[BamFor07]

That is what is creepy, you actually truly believe you are upsetting me. Shows an overly active imagination and a complete lack of being in touch with reality much less this conversation. What in this whole conversation is in any way upsetting? Im laughing at your inferiority complex, feeling the need to make me "eat crow".

Chevy-Mainstream

Cadillac- Luxury

Buick- "near luxury"

simple shit, friend, simple shit

You are just arguing for arguing sake.

[Watcher3223]

"Chevy - Mainstream"

And if a mainstream car can be well-equipped to the point where it's very luxurious with a smooth ride and great driveability, why spend more on a Buick if you're getting the same thing from an Impala except the badge and the inflated price tag?

Cadillac - luxury

And, again, near-luxury means "entry level." The automakers and automotive press use the same nomenclature.

"Buick - near luxury"

Which means they compete with Cadillac along with Lexus: market cannibalism.

[Watcher3223]

"That is what is creepy, you actually truly believe you are upsetting me."

Well, what other reason is there for you to call names and land insults as well as having a particularly frustrated impression in your writing?

[BamFor07]

See that is what is creepy, is that I don't thats your inflections into this which are completely misguided. My insults are me literally laughing at your failure nothing more.

[Watcher3223]

Oh come on.

The only reason to hurl insults is because you're either angry or you've got a dirty mouth, neither of which really paints a positive impression of you.

But, I do enjoy your spats because that means I'm chipping away at you. Of course you're going to deny that, because you just have to show me just how strong you appear to be.

You are quite predictable.

[Watcher3223]

"My insults are me literally laughing at your failure nothing more.

Unoriginal and unimaginative.

What inspired that particular response? The fact that I said you gave me a laugh when you made a big deal out of me saying that you aren't my friend?

[BamFor07]

Concise and to the point.

[Watcher3223]

Why, thank you for your complement.

[BamFor07]

Lol. I was referring to my insulting you. This argument is over. I will give you the last word, Im sure you need it to support your fragile ego.

[Watcher3223]

I know you were, but a sentence fragment is a sentence fragment and it left me opportunity to twist your words.

What makes this all the more amusing is that you appear to be taking it personally.

As for a fragile ego? Why, I didn't know you cared. How sweet.

[Watcher3223]

As for you giving me the last word, thanks.

My last words for you:

GM is an irrelevant and bankrupt company that's not long for this world if it continues on its present course.

It's not really improving anything as evidenced by the fact that the snobbish, old geezers who helped to drive GM into the ground are still there.

It's not just Rick Wagoner that was responsible for GM's downfall but a failure where responsibility is shared between management at all levels and the labor union.

[Watcher3223]

And, I don't believe anything from GM will change, not with the UAW holding a significant share of the company.

That leaves it almost certain that there will be nobody who can effectively provide GM with firm leadership and a definite vision it needs to set goals (both short and long term), have and develop the means to attain those goals, and survive in the long term as a viable, solvent corporation.

It's mired too much in bureaucracy where smaller, swifter competitors will outmaneuver them.

[robbie1490]

no no no all of those cars are plastic peices of crap. There is no heart put into those cars. They simply just think of a way to make them look good and use the cheapest crap they can find. Unlike BMW who put a soul into the car and make everything perfect. German motors FTW!

[BamFor07]

"Make everything perfect" if that isn't the most extreme off the wall fanboy statement every. BMW's are far from perfect. Thats your opinion and thats fine but some of Cadillac's new vehicles are as good if not better than their BMW counterparts in allot of tangible areas. Also if BMW is "perfect" why do allot of their vehicles use a Cadillac transmission, the 6L50. BMW is just another car company they have their mistakes too (8 series, Z8, the 1 series). The 1 is awful cheap.

[robbie1490]

1 series is the entry line of bmw, even though they are entry line, for the money you get a lot of great stuff standard that you would have to pay extra for on most gm cars. I own 3 bmws, my dad use to only own GM cars, and lets just say he is a bmw guy now. GM just had to many problems for him.

[BamFor07]

Getting a CD player and an ipod jack standard is hardly getting allot for what you pay for. BMW is famous for its option boxes, everything is an option. That is everything that makes a car a luxury car or a "BMW" is an extra. The 1 series isn't a bad car in and of itself but it is fairly un "BMW" like. It has played host to a myriad of quality problems and its quality of materials and fit and finish while fine sure aren't anywhere near what people expect at that price point.

[BamFor07]

I get what you are saying about "had to many problems" but my point is EVERY company has problems. Without exception. My point is BMW is just another car company, far from "perfect". I wrecked a BMW 5 series in a pretty severe accident and broke my army and a leg when it should have killed me. I like BMW's but I know cars fairly well and when you see the competition there isn't allot there with BMW, in terms of tangible things but BMW is a master of marketing its products and product placement.

[robbie1490]

I like your knowledge. Can we be friends? :D

[animetodamaximum]

@robbie1490 what makes up alot of americas pop german americans

[Watcher3223]

"You were wrong get over it."

Wrong about what?

Buick is redundant, very much like Mercury (and Ford's obviously scaling that brand down, concentrating their focus on their core brands: Ford and Lincoln).

What can they do that Chevy and Cadillac can't?

[Watcher3223]

"Here you are just another idiot."

Nice try. Is that really all you've got? I'm quite disappointed in your ability to flame.

[BamFor07]

Lol. What are you 5 I thought you were mister "converse intelligently" etc. So preach preach preach and do something else. How old are you mid 40's? You know about as much about cars etc as a 12 year old who just read his first motor trend. My point was short and to the point and now after that comment it is even more relevant.

[Watcher3223]

"You know about as much about cars etc as a 12 year old who just read his first motor trend."

Care to test that?

You've got a big mouth, son.

[BamFor07]

No need to test, you have already proven it with your ignorant and misinformer arguments thus far.

As for big mouth, what's your point you are just some 40 year old loser on the internet.

[Watcher3223]

"No need to test."

Nonsense. You made a claim, and I'm calling you on that.

Now you're recanting, so now I know where you really stand.

In other words, I called your bluff.

[BamFor07]

Bluff? what conversation are you part of. I called you an idiot with that statement. I didn't bluff about anything. So go ahead call me out. You are still wrong about Buick.

[Watcher3223]

"Bluff?"

Oh come now. You challenged me and I requested a test.

Then you're saying that you don't need to.

What I'm saying is that you don't want to for fear of having a serving of crow.

[BamFor07]

Thats right because it would be such a test to ask a question on the internet. Go run along and google whatever I ask and then pretend that you showed me. This is the internet friend and you are just another idiot on it who pretends to know what they are talking about and then argues to save face.

[Watcher3223]

"Because it would be such a test to ask a question on the internet..."

So you assume the worst about me instead?

[BamFor07]

You have proven you are an argumentative idiot and are ready to argue anything and hash out anything to save face why wouldn't I?

[Watcher3223]

If I were saving face, I wouldn't be replying to you in disagreement, would I?

[Watcher3223]

"The Buick line is not redundant."

And I contend that it is. If you have Chevrolet models that can approach or equal Buick in quality and price and Cadillac taking up the rest, then what's Buick's reason for existence other than to complicate and make redundant GM's model line offerings?

[Watcher3223]

"You want to tell me the Escalade and Enclave are going to cannibalize sales?"

The Escalade and the Enclave are different categories of vehicles: an SUV versus a crossover.

However, the GMC Yukon Denali and the Chevrolet Tahoe LTZ are potential sources of cannibalization against the Escalade for those who don't want to pay thousands more for Cadillac badges on a luxuriously trimmed and well-equipped GMT900.

[BamFor07]

That is called a joke, friend. Well It must be hard to understand jokes if I am your only friend lol. The Escalade sells well lined up with its GMC and Chevy siblings.

[Watcher3223]

Jokes that are not typed as such do not communicate well over text as they could be with speech.

[Watcher3223]

As for Pontiac, it could've been positioned to fill a niche that Chevrolet and Cadillac might not: true enthusiast performance cars to rival those offered by Porsche and Ferrari.

They could even possibly create a line of performance motorcycles to rival offerings from BMW and Kawasaki.

But, this is all academic.

Right now, IMO, GM is leaner with less debt, but they still have redundant offerings and they lack focus. If those issues aren't resolved, GM may find itself back to square one.

[ellwynx]

@Gutsyndicate- You do realize that GM has more fuel efficient vehicles than Toyota does don't you? The false perceptions of American vs. Foreign brands is just amazing.

[Gutsyndicate]

GM and Ford are making big car, gas guzzling, with no subestance and very expensive.

On the other hand Toyota and Honda are making effecient, economic and durable cars that are cheap.

ppl will buy what is cheaper and durable.

[nubetre]

Clearly it's Mercury

[Ranzuma]

I am sorry to dissapoint you guys but the best proformance car in the circut is the Ford GT40... The previous winner was the BMW F1 McLaren! The most fuel efficient car is american! But the pattent was bought by an oil company a while back... The car is the Tesla Electric car! It does not need to be charged ever! It picks up the energy radiating from electrical lines while driving or sitting still! The best proformance car for the street is also the GT 40 from Ford. But you never guessed that!

[nubetre]

While the McLaren F1 (M powered, but not a BMW product) was the fastest in the world way back in the 90s, the Ford GT (the GT40 was a race car in the 60s) never had that title. Not that it's not a neat car.

Also, the perpetual motion Tesla patent wasn't bought by an oil company, it was developed by a cadre of unicorns and sold to the government of mars.

[Ranzuma]

Let me fix my mistake... The Tesla Car was created by Tesla himself. The patent was bought by GE after a law suite against Tesla for "stealing" electricity. Tesla won but sold it for a great profit.

It is not a perpetual device and will stop running when the battery runs out. That will probably not happen in America because all of the power lines running all over the place.

The Ford GT is still sold today and can be bought at most Ford retailers. I didn't mean to put the 40, it is a habit.

[nubetre]

Nikola Tesla was affiliated with Westinghouse, which is the Duke to GE's UNC, and while he did indeed do work with transmission of energy through natural mediums, it was never really practical to have microwave radiation shooting every which way. The Tesla cars are a product devised by charismatic flim-flam man Elon Musk, and unrelated to Nikola, apart from some of his tech.

The Ford GT was a limited production supercar that went out of production in 2006. The Mustang GT still exists though.

[Ranzuma]

The car you are referring to is most likely the "Tesla Roadster" which is not the subject I am directly objecting. This car was produced from his work directly and not manufactured commercially. A man in Southern California made this specific device that was claimed by Tesla. That man gave up the "device" after Tesla threatened to sue for stealing his work.

Also the fact is that every thing that transfers some degree of energy is not 100% efficient. Gas at best is 20% efficient. Maybe more.

[Watcher3223]

20% is actually optimistic.

Gasoline ICEs are VERY inefficient because most of the energy from the fuel is converted into waste heat. Only a very small percentage (around 15%, give or take) is converted into kinetic energy.

For ICEs, an excellent alternative is the modern diesel engine; diesel engines that are smelly, noisy, and dirty are also very ancient.

And, you're correct; because of the laws of thermodynamics, there can't be 100% conversion of energy from one form to another.

[Watcher3223]

Can you trust any of the American automakers?

If you can't, then it doesn't matter if they have the best of anything; you'd never buy from them because of the distrust.

And that's basically the issue that has caused the big three to lose market share.

There are plenty of stories out there of people who felt they have been betrayed by the big three when they had a problem but nothing was done to help them. Then they go with an import and, suddenly, they have no reason to ever go back.

[pgrego01]

Friend We live in the US and we need to support the US auto. In CHINA the best car to have is a Buick! I don't you would of ever guessed that....Think

[Watcher3223]

It's easy to suggest that people need to support the U.S. auto industry.

But it's hard to convince someone who may have bought an American car and had an unsatisfactory experience with it to buy American again.

Let's face it, a car is a MAJOR purchase where you are putting your own money and credit worthiness on the line. Ultimately, you're only going to buy from someone you can trust.

The U.S. automakers lost a good bit of that trust by allowing customer service to slip.

Think about THAT.

[pgrego01]

Watcher3223....You are correct in

"it's hard to convince someone who may have bought an American car and had an unsatisfactory experience with it to buy American again." This was true in the 80's friend.

Check Toyota's history not so GOOD!

Fact Toyota just had the largest recall on their Corollas because of safety. This was not all over the News why? If GM had a safety recall that large it would be!

China and Japan caps the US on the amount of cars that are shipped in.

Not Cool

[Watcher3223]

1. Just because Toyota has a reputation, it doesn't mean they can always live up to it; they will make mistakes like anyone else. What matters is what they do in light of that mistake.

2. How long did the problem persist until Toyota responded? If the action was immediate and voluntary, then what's the problem? Ford continually downplayed and denied a problem with fires due to a design defect with their cruise control deactivation switches on the hydraulic brake master cylinder.

[Watcher3223]

3. I am not aware of China producing automobiles for the United States market.

Aside from the fact that General Motors does have a partnership with SAIC in Shanghai that makes major parts for some of their vehicles, such as engines for CUVs on the Theta platform, I'm not aware of any Chinese company that has a car or truck for sale in the U.S.

That may change in the near or far future, but it's not so right now.

[pgrego01]

If the US put a cap on the amount of cars that come in from China Japan Germany Ect.

What would happen to their Economy?

Fact Toyota closed down their US production because they are down over 20% in sales. Now all those Toyota US workers go pound SALT!

I have one more Fact for you.

09-11-2001 Bad day for all of us. GM, Ford, Chrystler gave 1 million dollars and a fleet of cars. Volks Wagon gave also. Toyota & Honda gave $0.

Fact Toyota and Honda had record breaking SALES in 2001

[Watcher3223]

The problem with putting a cap on imports is that you could trigger a retaliatory response, such as import tariffs or even bans of U.S. exports. You can't push without expecting a push back.

Plus, foreign companies get around the import cap by manufacturing product on the very place they're going to be sold in.

As for Toyota closing a factory, that's not surprising considering the downturn in the economy. ALL of the automakers are hurting and the big three had closed plants themselves.

[Watcher3223]

The only American automaker I'd give any kind of support to is Ford.

They are the only ones that seem to have leadership with a vision and a goal or, at the very least, the ones whose heads are least furthest in the sand. This also means possible prospect towards building cars and serving customers, so hopefully they won't blow it.

Second, they are not nationalized, which earns my respect.

[banstaman]

Plus the redundancy of their cars doesn't follow the path of Chrysler and GM. When Ford cars are copied to other brands, they are VERY different from one another, not just a re-badge, I like Ford the most out of the three.

[Watcher3223]

Very true.

While you may be able to make easy comparisons between the Crown Victoria and the Grand Marquis, it's not so easy when comparing those two cars to the Town Car, even though all three are built on the Panther platform.

But, Ford has had their badge moments, particularly with the Fusion, Milan, and the MK Z.

[Watcher3223]

But I see good things for Ford's future.

If they bring out the European Focus for the 2011 model year, that car is going to fly out of the dealer showrooms.

Same for the Fiesta.

And, I like the new Taurus and I like the Edge and I'm sure there are others that feel the same about what I've said, too.

Ford certainly took a risk by not getting a government handout, but that risk seems warranted as they seem poised to become very competitive, and they did it by themselves.

[banstaman]

That's true, but Ford is the only American automaker, who actually is improving on the quality of their cars. GM and Chrysler claim to do so but I don't see that happening. Truth be told, that the different variations, and naming actually justify the price difference between a Ford Flex, and Lincoln MKT. Ford Edge and MKX. Honestly, I didn't think it was right that GM and Chrysler got bailouts, they still have re-badges & quality issues. The problem that landed them in bankruptcy to begin with.

[Watcher3223]

Don't forget another aspect that is largely responsible for landing GM and Chrysler in the position they're in; substandard post-sales support.

[Watcher3223]

However, I have a car already: a 2005 Honda Accord (and it was bought USED, so the money for that sale went entirely to the dealer, not the manufacturer).

It runs and drives perfectly, it's reliable, and IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR.

Why should I stick MY neck out to buy a new car that I do not need, thereby incurring more DEBT on myself as well as higher insurance costs and taking a massive hit on depreciation in the midst of one of the WORST economic downturns in the history of the world?

[diggingforgold]

Teslas don't need to be charged ever? O RLY?

[Ranzuma]

Not the New Tesla Roadster... I am sure you can find the blueprints for the sudo perpetual Tesla somewhere.

[diggingforgold]

Tesla made a lot of stuff that sounded good on paper but never worked in reality. Mythbusters tested this type of "free (to me) energy". You can get power from lines at a distance, but you would need hundreds of pounds of coiled wire spread out to harvest enough power to run a digital watch.

[troddy356]

This is CLEARLY another marketing ploy by some tragic American car company... It smells like GM to me. I hate it when they cherry-pick models to compare against Honda and Toyota and try to claim comparable - or even BETTER - fuel economy and reliability. A message to GM: YET ANOTHER ad campaign DOESN'T make your cars any better! Stop spending money on ads and start investing it in cars that aren't Cavaliers or Aveos or whatever current crap-box you're making now! Go away!

[Watcher3223]

The best car is the one that comes from a manufacturer that you can trust.

And that trust is earned only if the manufacturer treats you right with a car that's as trouble-free as it can be made AND having good service and customer support to stand behind the car and help the customer out whenever there is any issue with it.

Nobody wants to buy a car from somebody they can't trust, no matter if the car offers better style, economy, safety, and so on.

[HakemEX]

This is a GM commercial. Can't believe you guys haven't seen GM's new ad where The new Chairman says, "May the best car win."

[Btyler227]

This site is GM's way of marketing their government backed product. As you can see, I voted for the best car company, not one that cant stand on their own. One that is independently owned and has proven to be very successful, worldwide.

[Btyler227]

I chose BMW :)

[Frank85650]

I want to know where you can buy a Fiat in america

[itsTiLER]

it will only be the 500 any most likely it will be at chrysler-dodge-jeep dealers

[Watcher3223]

And I want to know where you can buy a brand new Isuzu.

Those guys pulled out of the U.S. market with exception of their commercial business.

[slowep6]

korean cars are garbage,

[ChingBak401]

japanese cars ftw

[wildace408]

my guess is its for kia...its the only logo that stays for the most part fully seen the whole video and its in the center not movin around a lot...and it sticks out a lil

[ChingBak401]

kia's & korean cars are garbage, learn your car facts.

[wildace408]

lol...i never said kia's were a good car...i was just commenting that i think its kia who is doin this lil test...if you look at all their recent commercials they are always tryin to prove they are better than some high end car...i personally would like to see BMW's win this...but lets face it...this is goin to end up as some elaborate car commercial

[lakorai]

This is the Honda guy's voice.

Honda definately wins for reliability.

GM wins for fastest street car.

Nissan wins for most badass street car (SkyLINE R34!)

[commonhawx]

GM about 50mph OFF having the fastest street car....the Corvette ZR1 can only get 205.

[madpeanutdisease]

this looks epic

[zef95]

who is up to this?!