Objective morality is a binary concept. If you don't believe in it, it means slaping a young five year-old kid by no reason at all cannot be classified as either good or bad. If Dawkins was fare in responding, he should have cleared the opposite of absolute morality.
This way of responding, is misusing the audiance's emotion to try to win the argument. Those familiar with the arguments around absolute morality or objective morality, know that by no means the aruguer can build anything based on audiance's sense of good or bad. In other words, saying "if you believe in absolute morality, then what do you call stoning of people" is indeed using absolute morality to deny it! Huge huge contradiction.
Well, the response is clearly a take away from the question.
He did mention that stoning to death seems bad. However, according to his apparent response to the question, which says there is no absolute morality, ultimately there is no good or bad in order to see stoning as a bad action.
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هم وطن عزیز سیاست یک کشور با فلسفه دانان آن کشور دو مقوله ی کاملا متفاوت هست اینکه که دولت انگلیس و یا آمریکا رفتاری غیر انسانی در ارتباطات مختلف اقتصادی و سیاسی با کشورهای فقیر دارند و با دولت ها یا حکومت های دیگر کشوران به توافق میرسند حال در پشت پرده سیاسی یا بطور آشکار در تمام دوران تاریخ بنظر من بستگی به شعور و آگاهی مردم اون کشورها داره ـ وقتی شما هوشیار هستی نمی تونی بگی که احمقی و وقتی قدرت بدنی داری نمیتونی بگی من ضعیف هستم این کشورهام از داشته های خودشون همیشه استفاده و سوء استفاده کر
و همینطور وقتی شما با هوشی و بهت اجازه زرشد میدن و شما از هوشیاری خودت استفاده میکنید برای بدست آوردن چیزی و یا حل مشکلی مثلا درس میخونی یا کوشش میکنی و جواب خوب بدست میاری ،خوب اون زمان شما موفق هستی ـ مردم ما بخاطر ساده انگاری و صبور بودن خود باعث اجازه سوء استفاده کردن دولت های غربی از کشورمون شدند ـ این کشورهای غربی اصلا عاشق چشم و ابروی زیبای ما نیستند ـ اونا عاشق خودشون هستند و پولی که به جیب میزنند و میبرند ـ انسان از اول وحشی بوده در این دنیا و بعد که شعور پیدا کرده بدتر هم شده
As a result, I urge you not to allow yourself to be ultimately guided by the interests of some utilitarian economists who present themselves to you in the form of intellectuals, whose benefit is in making you alien with your inner self, your divine being. Don't allow yourself to fight with religion while you haven't really lived with it and haven't experienced the greatness and glory that it can give to your life. God bless all through followers of all religions.
Disagree: People of a well civilized country such as Iran are smart enough themselves not to follow the ideals of every person who advocates to bring human rights for them, and although they work toward keeping and enhancing their social and political freedoms, they also choose their social, cultural, and political idols wisely, and carefully. While this gentleman looks to be supported by some capitalist institutions, and serving their propaganda to promote their socioeconomic goals.
confidence that people feel when they are directed to only use their wisdom and ignore their feelings in dealing with life issues in which their conscience and ethic play an important role, and as we know, conscience and ethics lead you by reminding you to make a good use of both rational and emotional motivators in a balanced way.
after watching this video and reading some of your comments, I reach to a dual feeling. For example, I agree with Ovahidi in part and disagree in another part. Agree: Modern people have created more problem in the contemporary history by their biased interpretation and presentation of religion and religious people (in any major religion) and they have proven to be unsuccessful in replacing religion with atheistic beliefs and lifestyles, and this is largely because of the lack of trust and
So ridiculous. Modern people. That's a bullshit. What was the outcome of these modern people? Over 100 million deaths during the wars in 20th century. Killing of millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan during recent years. Killing thousands of people in Palestine. Killing and murdering innocent people all around the world. Unbelievable number of abortion. and so on. Tell me, regardless its correctness or wrongness, how many people were killed by stoning? How many were killed by Apostasy?
@ovahidi most people will never do that... its power houses that create seperation... people with agendas for control... its up to us the normal folk to put a stop to such people.... its irelevent of whom, what and how they believe only the actions that threaten the peace of our world need to be punished and only them... not those who are decent and innocent... wars are created by greedy people.... so do not confuse those kind with those who oppose war ...we will stop them brother!
and u tell me how many ppl were killed duration of islam conquests in beginning of islam to spread it and how many ppl were killed duration of crusader wars between muslims and christians.
wars has been always in this world duration of history and dont justify number of stoning and apostasy even though we imagine(impossible!) it was just one.
he is trying to say if we use our mind and be logical and rational we can come up with same result of what religion says(in some of relagion ..
@FullyRespecter Firstly, I am a Shia and in the opposite side against those invasions against other countries committed by Muslims after the death of prophet Muhammad (SWA). Nevertheless, history has shown that in none of those wars many people were killed. Of course, those who attended the wars were killed but not civilians. Also, history has shown that the death toll of those wars were not that much. History has shown that after presence of Islam in all of those occupied lands ... [con]
@FullyRespecter [con] science and knowledge was thrived after a dark period over those lands (just refer to the history of Iran, Egypt, Andalusia (Spain) and other lands after presence of Islam). Islam was the pioneer of science for over 7-8 (or more) centuries. If you refer to the history of Andalusia in Europe, you will find how Christians slaughters Muslims to kick them out of those lands. You may add to all of those crimes the recent crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Palestine, Iran [con]...
@FullyRespecter [con] Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. What I said was crimes against Muslims. You may add to all of these crimes, the crimes they committed against Humanity during many wars in the recent century which lead to the death of over 150 millions innocent people. This is the outcome of these so called modern people. I have not talked about rape, adultery, human traffic, children abuse and so on. It has a longer story to talk about which all are the outcome of these modern people ...
@ovahidi why r u justifying religious killing by comparison of numbers?! of course there is much more reason duration of history to have war u r just putting religion(especially islam) in one side and all others reasons in the other side i think it's not fair to compare this way. and about example u gave me its better u give us true refrences.
on the other hand u leave the most important point of this video which i replied and u didnt answer, that ppl can reach to whatever....
.... religions offer(just in good sections not some of rules which r not logical) by using their MIND we r human we have best gift which is our mind just use it then no need to mimic and immitate.
@FullyRespecter I did reply to your comment in between my comments. What I am saying is that the human MIND, by itself, cannot guarantee peace, ethics and safety for the human being. It cannot guarantee humanitarian relationship between mankind. The proof is the history that we have had up to now. Human has proven that he always prefers everything for himself not for others. Individual profits and benefits come over every other ethics and rights. This is what these modern people have proven
the problem is exactly where u underestimate the power of mind, i still believe in god and so i believe mind is the best gift from god, existance of mind doesnt mean adultness and prefection, we must use it not just follow whatever others say, in this case what u exactly mentioned will happen. and what u r saying is considered for every kind of human not just non religious ppl its human nature that look benefit for himself/herself even when u help a poor guy ur in fact satisfying ursef
@FullyRespecter Your comments are not clear to me enough to conclude well. I don't know who you are referring to "others" to be followed or what you are referring to as "certain pattern". Of course I don't underestimate mind and wisdom. One of the main criterion in finding the rules of religion in Shia laws is mind. What I am saying is that the mind by itself cannot guarantee ethics. History has shown the crimes of these modern people for over 5-6 centuries.
this restriction that u r mentioning mind cant provide ethic lonley happens when it face with those certain pattern(religion) cause u face with something that ur mind deny but ur religion force u to do them that's when ur mind cant provide pure ethic. those crime u r refering comes from all ppl whether religious or non religous but some certain rules in religion r exactly against ethic, so a non religious doesnt have certain rule against ethic and if he/she commit something agianst ...
and consider that problem comes up when ppl restrict their mind by certain pattern
because all ppl even two twin r different in interests and beliefs even in followers of one ideology there is kind of branches and different idea, so when u restrict ur mind by certain pattern u think those methods r the most correct one(another issue of human nature) never accept other belief and gonna remove them all especially if they disagree with their basic belief
@ovahidi I believe that only believing in God, the other world, eternity of human and the day of Judgement can guarantee ethics and humanitarian relationships as the messengers of God were trying to make it in nations. If you don't believe in anything, it is meaningless and even ridicules to be ethical, since individual benefits will be the main important things for every individual
.... against ethic it can be committed even from a religious ppl. come on man dont be snobish of ur religion i already told u we have different kind of interest and belief why should we think what we believe is offering the best. this kind of behaviour comes from instinct not rationality. if these ppl doesnt believe god doesnt mean they dont believe anything else they have their own belief and why should they keep having this belief if they feel meaningless!!!!!
we have different belief as much as earth population the most important thing is to respect any other belief even if its exactly opposite of our belief roots. no matter what whether religious or non religious, believing in god or not.
@FullyRespecter I didn't want to continue and don't and therefore this is my last comment. The statement that you made is logically wrong. In logics, some statements cannot be correct logically. According to your belief, you need to respect my belief and my belief is that not all believes are respectable. According to your belief you need to respect my belief, while its a contradiction to your original statement.
@FullyRespecter Anyways, I believe truth and rightness is unique. One thing cannot be right while at the same its opposite is also right. Truth and rightness is independent of believes. This is a fundamental belief that I believe in and our differences come from this very fundamental belief.
@FullyRespecter One more thing, according to your comment, I should respect to believes of terrorists who want to kill innocent people, I should respect to murderers, homosexuals, rapists and so on while you see that their believes are not respectable. Anyway! that was a good discussion. Thanks
@ovahidi we would definitely have more wars if we were continue living by certain books! for sure!! we still suffering from chaos sourced in beliefs from very old books!! just look at Iran to see how much one stupid idea is suffering 60 millions people over last 30 years!! or maybe you forgot think Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq were bless for their own people!!!
@ovahidi If it was not because of out side pressure form non-muslin countries Millions . just look at fucking Iran is the highest execution in the world and if it was not because of out side pressure it would be in thousands yearly.Just see some of the fucking Khomeini interviews and talks AHMAGH
Today human need set of rules which are acceptable weather they are addressed in any religion or not. The problem is religion or any other constitution that came from out ancestors can not offer a general, rational and moral view for a perfect life. We do believe to punish to back them to society for those actions which harassed other people but not to perish them forever. If we value for people life considering their past life, we can not judge easily decide about taking their lives.
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@mikaelourak متاسفانه این ملیارد ها مسلمان قرآن را نخوانده اند! و فقط مثل گاو سرشونو انداختن پایین و به حرف صاحبانشان که همان حکومت ها باشد گوش میکنند!
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@mikaelourak ا! عزیز جان شما هم که منطقت مثه این آخوندا شد که! مگه میشه نخونده قضاوت کرد؟!!! بی منطق نباشید دیگه ، بعدم اینکه عربیه جواب جدا داره ، اولا بالاخره باید به یک زبانی باشه! حالا لاتین بودم الآن این عربا گیر می دادن! جواب های زیادی داره که اینجا نمیگنجه ;)
In nazare shoma kheyli nazare tond va az roye bi tafakori hast. mosalaman kheyli ha dost daran ghoran ra bekhonand va khate arabi ham aslan khate zeshti nist.
@mrdibaa آقای دیبا میزان تحصیل شما چیست که پروفسور دانشگاه آکسفورد و یکی از بزرگترین زیست شناسهای جهان را خنگ خطاب میکنی؟
البته از کسی که چرندیات قرآن را منبع علم و دانش میداند و احتمالا منتظر یکی از اعراب مدینه نشسته که ۱۱۰۰ سال پیش رفته تو چاه بیش از این هم نمیتوان توقع داشت.
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@shamalbaba شمبل بابا! جان بهتر شما قرآن را یکبار از اول تا آخر بخوانید و خودتان تفسیر کنید. متاسفانه ما ایرانی ها قرآن و اسلام واقعی را با حرف آخوند ها می سنجیم! اینی ام که فرمودید گفتم خنگ بدلیل اینکه در قرآن سنگسار وجود ندارد!!!! و این پروفسور احمق و نادان که 1 بار هم قرآن را نخوانده میگه قرآن حرف از سنگسار زده و اینها! شما قرآن را بخوانید و نه تفسیر های این نظام و این مزخرفات را بعد متوجه دمکراسی ای خواهید شد که برای تمام فصول صدق می کند!
آقا جان شما که نوشتی : تعدادی از افراد که از آخوندها دل خوشی ندارند ، از این مغالطه خشنود می گردند و به پیامدهای آن فکر نمی کنند منظورت اینه که اون جمعیتی که برای ایشان دست میزنند و تشویقش میکنند ؟یا ما ایرانیها را میگویی؟ آنها که اصلا آخوند نمیشناسند و ما هم نه تنها دل خوشی نداریم بلکه از آخوندها به دلیل سفسطه و مغالطه و تمثیلهای نادرست و استقرا های چپکی که همگی ابزار مغالطه هستند بیزاریم؟چطور است که داوکینز نزد ما مطلوب است و آخوند ها نامطلوب؟ تا به حال این سئوال را از خودت پرسیدی؟
هر کس که به نفع حکومت اسلامی حرف بزند میتواند در تلوزیون برای ملت اعاده فضل کند...مثل همین الهی قمشه ای که از خر هم کمتر میفهمه و فقط با سفسطه ملت عام ایران را فریب میدهد و تا میگویی این آقا یه عمله است همه میگویند نه این دکتره و ...آقا جان مگه دکتر احمق تا حالا ندیدید؟ یا کسانی که میدانند دروغ میگویند ولی فقط می آیند پولشان را میگیرند و چرت و پرت میگویند...تا حالا دیده اید آدم حسابی در تلوزیون ایران از اخلاق صحبت کند؟ ولی پرفسور داوکینز با چند جمله ساده و بدون سفسطه رید به هیکل قمشه ای و آخوند
اونایی که مبنای عقایدشون داستان کودکانه ای بنام آفرینش است داستانی که صادق هدایت به بهترین شکل در نمایشنامه افسانه آفرینش آنرا از پیرایه های عرفانی درآورده و عملا هجو کرده و اصول اخلاقیشون به قوانینی بدوی و وحشیانه منتهی میشه تا حرفی باب دلشون نیست فیلسوف میشن و چنان در دقایق فلسفی غور میکنن و مو رو از ماست بیرون میکشن که ویتگنشتاین غلط بکنه باهاشون برابری کنه
I do not believe in the morality that comes from religion, but even I don't buy that those moral issues that Richard is pointing are new concepts for 21 century.... of course man reached the equality between man and woman at 21th century, but is it developed recently or it existed inherently. lets say that free market is a new concept that does not take human life value into consideration... issues like outpregnancy, sperm store and assigning different price for it are new concepts :((
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پرفسور داوکینز مغالطه آشکاری نموده است و تعدادی از افراد که از آخوندها دل خوشی ندارند ، از این مغالطه خشنود می گردند و به پیامدهای آن فکر نمی کنند.
اولا باید بین احکام جزائی و اخلاقیات تفاوت قائل شد. تمام مواردی که داوکینز بعنوان اخلاقیات دینی برشمرده ، هیچکدام در حوزه اخلاق قرار نمی گیرند. آن موارد تنها بعضی احکام جزائی هستند که در دوره های خاصی توسط ادیان عتیقه اجرا شده اند .
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متاسفانه این فرد خود مغلطه گر و بسیار متعصب است
یکی از اصولی که مدعی آن است احترام به عقاید دیگران است حال آن که خود ایشان با انتخاب بدترینهای بد مذاهب و تمسخر عقاید دیگران این اصول را زیر پا میگذارید
خلاصه هر چیز "دینداری یا بی دینی وقتی با تعصب باشد و به مغلطه و تمسخر دیگران و هوچیگری متوسل شود زشت است
کاش میشد زشتی ها و خودپرستی ها ی این فرد را در جایی که بتوند بدون لو رفتن بدی کند حد اقل به خودش یاداور شد
دوستانی که هم انگلیسی هم فارسی تون خوبه !! می تونین لطفا پرسش این جوان رو واسه من به فارسی قابل فهم ترجمه کنید ؟ پیشاپیش سپاسگزارم ــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــ
شما که اخلاقیاتتون تو رساله خمینی خلاصه شده که محدوده به پایین تنه آدم و اینکه با حیوونها به چه صورتی باید آمیزش کرد که مورد قبول خدا و پیغمبرتون باشه
@nadia5827 khoshbehale shoma ke enghadr agheli - bahse zire shikam bahse din nist bahse ensane - mardome donya hamishe tarikh dargiresh bodan shoma tahghigh kon ye zare az ro jav harf nazan - kash shoma hadeaghal ye bar be adami ke enghad azash tarafdari mikonid ro da ro mishodid
@kholvaz123 عزیز من ایشون داره در مورد اخلاقیات صحبت میکنه نه در مورد مسائل غریزی اگه هم بحث د رمورد مسئله مورد علاقه شما بود باز هم من نمیگم که غیر انسانیه ولی هر بحثی حیطه خاص خودشو داره
@nadia5827 غریزی که گفتی منطورم به کامنت اول خود شما بود . به هر حال اگر روزی اتفاقی بی افته و اقای داوکینز از نطراتشون برگردن به هر حال انسانه دیگه نمیدونم شما چه درسی خوندید ولی حتما میدونید هیچ چیزی مطلق نیست ایا شمام نطرت مثل این اقا برمیگردونی ؟
اگر اره که دیگه بحثی نیست اگر هم نه که نشون میده شما خودت خیلی عاقلی و ایشون میاد جزو افرادی که شما مقلطه کن میبینیدشون . امیدوارم منظورمو رسونده باشم . حالا راجب علاقه من بنده به چیزی اعتقاد دارم به اسم ازدواج که تو دینم اومده حالا بنظر میرسه خیلی
چیزهاست که شما بهش علاقه دارید اگر نصف رساله در ارتباط با این موضوعاته بنظرم بهتر از اینه که بعد از یک ارتباطه مزخرف ناراحت افسرده و هزاران هزار اتفاقی که بعد از این روابط می افته باشم.
کلا دین شد وسیله عده ای کوبیدن عده ای قدرتمتد شدن اما واقعیت اینها نیست
ایا قدرت دست شما باشد ادم خوبی میمونی ؟
ایا الان که دینی ندارید خیلی انسانید؟
ایا دین از بین برود مشکلات حل میشه؟
من با کلیت دین کار دارم نه اینکه شما رو از ایران بیرون کردن و و هایی که پای دین نیس
@nadia5827 شما تشریف ببرین و در خارج از رسانه های خمینی سکس با حیوانات و همجنسبازی و انواع و اقسام روشهای سکس رو ببینین و ببینین که کی بفکر این چیزاست و اونوقت اظهار نظر کنین
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Part 3 (final):
Objective morality is a binary concept. If you don't believe in it, it means slaping a young five year-old kid by no reason at all cannot be classified as either good or bad. If Dawkins was fare in responding, he should have cleared the opposite of absolute morality.
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Part 2:
This way of responding, is misusing the audiance's emotion to try to win the argument. Those familiar with the arguments around absolute morality or objective morality, know that by no means the aruguer can build anything based on audiance's sense of good or bad. In other words, saying "if you believe in absolute morality, then what do you call stoning of people" is indeed using absolute morality to deny it! Huge huge contradiction.
faashande 2 months ago
Part 1:
Well, the response is clearly a take away from the question.
He did mention that stoning to death seems bad. However, according to his apparent response to the question, which says there is no absolute morality, ultimately there is no good or bad in order to see stoning as a bad action.
faashande 2 months ago
عده زیادی پاکستانی در پاکستان مدعی هستند محمد Terrorist و اجرای sharia حتی برای حیوان هم
جایز نیست،چه برسد به انسان ،ولی دولت همین شخصی که ادعا ی اخلاق میکند که البته بجا ادعا میکند
سرکوب میشوند،انهم از سالهای دور .
TheHygtfrde 2 months ago
دم ریچارد گرم
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majidkarami 7 months ago
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majidkarami 7 months ago
ـ " اگه دنیا از بیگ بنگ بوجود اومده پس بیگ بنگ از چی بوجود اومده " 8911322120 " ـ اگه قرار باشه که همش سوالی داشته باشیم و بعد جوابی برای اون پیدا کنیم و احتمالا اگه اون سوال و جواب به نتیجه ی مطلوبی و درستی برسه و بعد همینطور به عقب بر گردیم هیچ وقت به نتیجه درستی نمی رسیم . ما باید اول از همه بفکر آزادی انسان و انسانیت و مثل آدم زندگی کردن را یعنی اینکه " آدم باید آدم باشه " را بفهمیم درک کنیم و مهمتر از همه به اون عمل کنیم و بعد هم میتونیم بدنبال بدست » ^^^
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هم وطن عزیز سیاست یک کشور با فلسفه دانان آن کشور دو مقوله ی کاملا متفاوت هست اینکه که دولت انگلیس و یا آمریکا رفتاری غیر انسانی در ارتباطات مختلف اقتصادی و سیاسی با کشورهای فقیر دارند و با دولت ها یا حکومت های دیگر کشوران به توافق میرسند حال در پشت پرده سیاسی یا بطور آشکار در تمام دوران تاریخ بنظر من بستگی به شعور و آگاهی مردم اون کشورها داره ـ وقتی شما هوشیار هستی نمی تونی بگی که احمقی و وقتی قدرت بدنی داری نمیتونی بگی من ضعیف هستم این کشورهام از داشته های خودشون همیشه استفاده و سوء استفاده کر
majidkarami 7 months ago
و همینطور وقتی شما با هوشی و بهت اجازه زرشد میدن و شما از هوشیاری خودت استفاده میکنید برای بدست آوردن چیزی و یا حل مشکلی مثلا درس میخونی یا کوشش میکنی و جواب خوب بدست میاری ،خوب اون زمان شما موفق هستی ـ مردم ما بخاطر ساده انگاری و صبور بودن خود باعث اجازه سوء استفاده کردن دولت های غربی از کشورمون شدند ـ این کشورهای غربی اصلا عاشق چشم و ابروی زیبای ما نیستند ـ اونا عاشق خودشون هستند و پولی که به جیب میزنند و میبرند ـ انسان از اول وحشی بوده در این دنیا و بعد که شعور پیدا کرده بدتر هم شده
majidkarami 7 months ago
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اگه دنیا از بیگ بنگه بیگ بنگ از چیه؟ انرزی؟ انرزی هز چیه اونوقت؟
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همش کس شعر
8911322120 7 months ago
کلیپ بسیار عالی با ترجمهی نهچندان خوب
imanavayou 8 months ago
تو دهنی محکمی بود به دهان دینداران
omidpars1991 8 months ago 3
دمش گرم ((رید)) به قرآن !!
hamoonful 1 year ago 12
As a result, I urge you not to allow yourself to be ultimately guided by the interests of some utilitarian economists who present themselves to you in the form of intellectuals, whose benefit is in making you alien with your inner self, your divine being. Don't allow yourself to fight with religion while you haven't really lived with it and haven't experienced the greatness and glory that it can give to your life. God bless all through followers of all religions.
aidinbm 1 year ago
Disagree: People of a well civilized country such as Iran are smart enough themselves not to follow the ideals of every person who advocates to bring human rights for them, and although they work toward keeping and enhancing their social and political freedoms, they also choose their social, cultural, and political idols wisely, and carefully. While this gentleman looks to be supported by some capitalist institutions, and serving their propaganda to promote their socioeconomic goals.
aidinbm 1 year ago
confidence that people feel when they are directed to only use their wisdom and ignore their feelings in dealing with life issues in which their conscience and ethic play an important role, and as we know, conscience and ethics lead you by reminding you to make a good use of both rational and emotional motivators in a balanced way.
aidinbm 1 year ago
after watching this video and reading some of your comments, I reach to a dual feeling. For example, I agree with Ovahidi in part and disagree in another part. Agree: Modern people have created more problem in the contemporary history by their biased interpretation and presentation of religion and religious people (in any major religion) and they have proven to be unsuccessful in replacing religion with atheistic beliefs and lifestyles, and this is largely because of the lack of trust and
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jendehkooni 1 year ago
fuck to this profesor
mehdi201020 1 year ago
bertrand russell mige : bozorgtarin fajeye bashariat ine ke akhlaghiat be vasileye din dozdide shode!!!
farshadvangelis 1 year ago 3
Translation of title: This man is marked for death, a jihad has been proclaimed. For Islam! Allelelelelelellaaaaa!
OhManTFE 1 year ago
So ridiculous. Modern people. That's a bullshit. What was the outcome of these modern people? Over 100 million deaths during the wars in 20th century. Killing of millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan during recent years. Killing thousands of people in Palestine. Killing and murdering innocent people all around the world. Unbelievable number of abortion. and so on. Tell me, regardless its correctness or wrongness, how many people were killed by stoning? How many were killed by Apostasy?
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi most people will never do that... its power houses that create seperation... people with agendas for control... its up to us the normal folk to put a stop to such people.... its irelevent of whom, what and how they believe only the actions that threaten the peace of our world need to be punished and only them... not those who are decent and innocent... wars are created by greedy people.... so do not confuse those kind with those who oppose war ...we will stop them brother!
jammapcb 1 year ago 2
@ovahidi
and u tell me how many ppl were killed duration of islam conquests in beginning of islam to spread it and how many ppl were killed duration of crusader wars between muslims and christians.
wars has been always in this world duration of history and dont justify number of stoning and apostasy even though we imagine(impossible!) it was just one.
he is trying to say if we use our mind and be logical and rational we can come up with same result of what religion says(in some of relagion ..
FullyRespecter 1 year ago 4
@FullyRespecter Firstly, I am a Shia and in the opposite side against those invasions against other countries committed by Muslims after the death of prophet Muhammad (SWA). Nevertheless, history has shown that in none of those wars many people were killed. Of course, those who attended the wars were killed but not civilians. Also, history has shown that the death toll of those wars were not that much. History has shown that after presence of Islam in all of those occupied lands ... [con]
ovahidi 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter [con] science and knowledge was thrived after a dark period over those lands (just refer to the history of Iran, Egypt, Andalusia (Spain) and other lands after presence of Islam). Islam was the pioneer of science for over 7-8 (or more) centuries. If you refer to the history of Andalusia in Europe, you will find how Christians slaughters Muslims to kick them out of those lands. You may add to all of those crimes the recent crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Palestine, Iran [con]...
ovahidi 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter [con] Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. What I said was crimes against Muslims. You may add to all of these crimes, the crimes they committed against Humanity during many wars in the recent century which lead to the death of over 150 millions innocent people. This is the outcome of these so called modern people. I have not talked about rape, adultery, human traffic, children abuse and so on. It has a longer story to talk about which all are the outcome of these modern people ...
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi why r u justifying religious killing by comparison of numbers?! of course there is much more reason duration of history to have war u r just putting religion(especially islam) in one side and all others reasons in the other side i think it's not fair to compare this way. and about example u gave me its better u give us true refrences.
on the other hand u leave the most important point of this video which i replied and u didnt answer, that ppl can reach to whatever....
FullyRespecter 1 year ago 3
@ovahidi
.... religions offer(just in good sections not some of rules which r not logical) by using their MIND we r human we have best gift which is our mind just use it then no need to mimic and immitate.
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter I did reply to your comment in between my comments. What I am saying is that the human MIND, by itself, cannot guarantee peace, ethics and safety for the human being. It cannot guarantee humanitarian relationship between mankind. The proof is the history that we have had up to now. Human has proven that he always prefers everything for himself not for others. Individual profits and benefits come over every other ethics and rights. This is what these modern people have proven
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi
the problem is exactly where u underestimate the power of mind, i still believe in god and so i believe mind is the best gift from god, existance of mind doesnt mean adultness and prefection, we must use it not just follow whatever others say, in this case what u exactly mentioned will happen. and what u r saying is considered for every kind of human not just non religious ppl its human nature that look benefit for himself/herself even when u help a poor guy ur in fact satisfying ursef
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter Your comments are not clear to me enough to conclude well. I don't know who you are referring to "others" to be followed or what you are referring to as "certain pattern". Of course I don't underestimate mind and wisdom. One of the main criterion in finding the rules of religion in Shia laws is mind. What I am saying is that the mind by itself cannot guarantee ethics. History has shown the crimes of these modern people for over 5-6 centuries.
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi
this restriction that u r mentioning mind cant provide ethic lonley happens when it face with those certain pattern(religion) cause u face with something that ur mind deny but ur religion force u to do them that's when ur mind cant provide pure ethic. those crime u r refering comes from all ppl whether religious or non religous but some certain rules in religion r exactly against ethic, so a non religious doesnt have certain rule against ethic and if he/she commit something agianst ...
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@ovahidi
and consider that problem comes up when ppl restrict their mind by certain pattern
because all ppl even two twin r different in interests and beliefs even in followers of one ideology there is kind of branches and different idea, so when u restrict ur mind by certain pattern u think those methods r the most correct one(another issue of human nature) never accept other belief and gonna remove them all especially if they disagree with their basic belief
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@ovahidi I believe that only believing in God, the other world, eternity of human and the day of Judgement can guarantee ethics and humanitarian relationships as the messengers of God were trying to make it in nations. If you don't believe in anything, it is meaningless and even ridicules to be ethical, since individual benefits will be the main important things for every individual
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi
.... against ethic it can be committed even from a religious ppl. come on man dont be snobish of ur religion i already told u we have different kind of interest and belief why should we think what we believe is offering the best. this kind of behaviour comes from instinct not rationality. if these ppl doesnt believe god doesnt mean they dont believe anything else they have their own belief and why should they keep having this belief if they feel meaningless!!!!!
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter I am afraid we will never come up with an identical idea. Let's stop here
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi
that's exactly where i was looking for to reach.
we have different belief as much as earth population the most important thing is to respect any other belief even if its exactly opposite of our belief roots. no matter what whether religious or non religious, believing in god or not.
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter I didn't want to continue and don't and therefore this is my last comment. The statement that you made is logically wrong. In logics, some statements cannot be correct logically. According to your belief, you need to respect my belief and my belief is that not all believes are respectable. According to your belief you need to respect my belief, while its a contradiction to your original statement.
ovahidi 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter Anyways, I believe truth and rightness is unique. One thing cannot be right while at the same its opposite is also right. Truth and rightness is independent of believes. This is a fundamental belief that I believe in and our differences come from this very fundamental belief.
ovahidi 1 year ago
@FullyRespecter One more thing, according to your comment, I should respect to believes of terrorists who want to kill innocent people, I should respect to murderers, homosexuals, rapists and so on while you see that their believes are not respectable. Anyway! that was a good discussion. Thanks
ovahidi 1 year ago
@ovahidi Is it not a testament then to non-believers that they are good at all?
Doing good to appease your God and gain entry into heaven is infinitely more selfish than good-will borne out purely out of human empathy.
We can observe primitive ethical codes in the animal kingdom and I haven't seen many Buffalo reading the quran.
IstickThingsUpMyBum 1 year ago 3
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@ovahidi
....in some of religion section not all) and get even more completion than what religion offer.
just use ur mind that's all no need to mimic and immitate !!!!
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
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@ovahidi
....in some of religion section not all) and get ever more completion than what religion offer.
just use ur mind that's all no need to mimic and immitate !!!!
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
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@ovahidi
....in some of religion section not all) and get ever more completion than what religion offer.
just use ur mind that's all no need to mimic and immitate !!!!
FullyRespecter 1 year ago
@ovahidi we would definitely have more wars if we were continue living by certain books! for sure!! we still suffering from chaos sourced in beliefs from very old books!! just look at Iran to see how much one stupid idea is suffering 60 millions people over last 30 years!! or maybe you forgot think Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq were bless for their own people!!!
repsieximo 1 year ago 3
@ovahidi If it was not because of out side pressure form non-muslin countries Millions . just look at fucking Iran is the highest execution in the world and if it was not because of out side pressure it would be in thousands yearly.Just see some of the fucking Khomeini interviews and talks AHMAGH
95sour 1 year ago 7
@95sour highest execution in the world belongs to china which is not religious at all
seyedmaysam 1 month ago
آفرین..آفرین به داوکینز که خیلی زیبا هیکل این نکبت را قهوه ای کرد
lukina286 1 year ago 2
bravoooo
kusha1363 1 year ago
this gentle men is about to accept religions if he finds out about what religion is in itself rather than what the religuose people are practicing
SuperLoveforall 1 year ago
Today human need set of rules which are acceptable weather they are addressed in any religion or not. The problem is religion or any other constitution that came from out ancestors can not offer a general, rational and moral view for a perfect life. We do believe to punish to back them to society for those actions which harassed other people but not to perish them forever. If we value for people life considering their past life, we can not judge easily decide about taking their lives.
bbabak2 1 year ago
perfecttttt
kohiarr 1 year ago
سلام
من یه مسلمانم
محشر بود این ویدئو
اینا سوالات منم هست، امیدوارم یکی بتونه پاسخی بده
کانال خرد و اندیشه ، لاتینش چی هست، از کجا پخش میشه، اسم دقیق کانال رو بگین ممنون میشم
بازم از این ویدئو ها بزارین لطفا
kittleboy 1 year ago 2
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لعنت بر پدرت محمد زنازاده کونی بچه باز.
شاشیدم تو تک تک آیات شیطانی قرآن.
شاشیدم تو خانه ابلیس بزرگ الله عربستان.
Islam chekideye shashe arabe sos mar khore.
Islam is arabs Shit .
FuckAllahGoranIslam 1 year ago
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لعنت بر پدرت محمد زنازاده کونی بچه باز.
شاشیدم تو تک تک آیات شیطانی قرآن.
شاشیدم تو خانه ابلیس بزرگ الله عربستان
Islam is arabs shit not one word less not one word more..
Iranian dont need that shit.
FuckAllahGoranIslam 1 year ago
مسلمانی که برادر خود را شمبول بابا صدا میکنی
مگر پرفسور گفت سنگسار از قرآن آمده؟ ایشان فقط اشاره کرد که اخلاقیات مذهبی چگونه اند؟
وقتی مردم بیچاره را در مکانهای عمومی سنگسار و اعدام میکردید و ما فریاد میزدیم نکنیدو میگفتید امر پیغمبر است!!! حالا که به نفعتان نیست عوض میکنید؟
چه کسی مغلطه و سفسطه میکند؟
میخاهی بگویی که سنگسار در اسلام نبوده؟
azadialborz 1 year ago 4
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mikaelourak 1 year ago 4
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@mikaelourak متاسفانه این ملیارد ها مسلمان قرآن را نخوانده اند! و فقط مثل گاو سرشونو انداختن پایین و به حرف صاحبانشان که همان حکومت ها باشد گوش میکنند!
mrdibaa 1 year ago
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@mikaelourak ا! عزیز جان شما هم که منطقت مثه این آخوندا شد که! مگه میشه نخونده قضاوت کرد؟!!! بی منطق نباشید دیگه ، بعدم اینکه عربیه جواب جدا داره ، اولا بالاخره باید به یک زبانی باشه! حالا لاتین بودم الآن این عربا گیر می دادن! جواب های زیادی داره که اینجا نمیگنجه ;)
mrdibaa 1 year ago
In nazare shoma kheyli nazare tond va az roye bi tafakori hast. mosalaman kheyli ha dost daran ghoran ra bekhonand va khate arabi ham aslan khate zeshti nist.
samanshafigh 2 months ago
@mrdibaa آقای دیبا میزان تحصیل شما چیست که پروفسور دانشگاه آکسفورد و یکی از بزرگترین زیست شناسهای جهان را خنگ خطاب میکنی؟
البته از کسی که چرندیات قرآن را منبع علم و دانش میداند و احتمالا منتظر یکی از اعراب مدینه نشسته که ۱۱۰۰ سال پیش رفته تو چاه بیش از این هم نمیتوان توقع داشت.
shamalbaba 1 year ago 7
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@shamalbaba شمبل بابا! جان بهتر شما قرآن را یکبار از اول تا آخر بخوانید و خودتان تفسیر کنید. متاسفانه ما ایرانی ها قرآن و اسلام واقعی را با حرف آخوند ها می سنجیم! اینی ام که فرمودید گفتم خنگ بدلیل اینکه در قرآن سنگسار وجود ندارد!!!! و این پروفسور احمق و نادان که 1 بار هم قرآن را نخوانده میگه قرآن حرف از سنگسار زده و اینها! شما قرآن را بخوانید و نه تفسیر های این نظام و این مزخرفات را بعد متوجه دمکراسی ای خواهید شد که برای تمام فصول صدق می کند!
mrdibaa 1 year ago
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این را هم اضافه می کنم که امام زمان در قرآن وجود ندارد و به غیر از خدا هیچ کس بر ما ولایت ندارد!
mrdibaa 1 year ago
آقا جان شما که نوشتی : تعدادی از افراد که از آخوندها دل خوشی ندارند ، از این مغالطه خشنود می گردند و به پیامدهای آن فکر نمی کنند منظورت اینه که اون جمعیتی که برای ایشان دست میزنند و تشویقش میکنند ؟یا ما ایرانیها را میگویی؟ آنها که اصلا آخوند نمیشناسند و ما هم نه تنها دل خوشی نداریم بلکه از آخوندها به دلیل سفسطه و مغالطه و تمثیلهای نادرست و استقرا های چپکی که همگی ابزار مغالطه هستند بیزاریم؟چطور است که داوکینز نزد ما مطلوب است و آخوند ها نامطلوب؟ تا به حال این سئوال را از خودت پرسیدی؟
azadialborz 1 year ago 6
مغالطه و سفسطه کار آخوندا هست که کتاب های سوفسطائیان را در حوزه میخوانند نه این پرفسور که تمام کتابهایش بر پایه لاجیکال اونتز نوشته شده
azadialborz 1 year ago 5
هر کس که به نفع حکومت اسلامی حرف بزند میتواند در تلوزیون برای ملت اعاده فضل کند...مثل همین الهی قمشه ای که از خر هم کمتر میفهمه و فقط با سفسطه ملت عام ایران را فریب میدهد و تا میگویی این آقا یه عمله است همه میگویند نه این دکتره و ...آقا جان مگه دکتر احمق تا حالا ندیدید؟ یا کسانی که میدانند دروغ میگویند ولی فقط می آیند پولشان را میگیرند و چرت و پرت میگویند...تا حالا دیده اید آدم حسابی در تلوزیون ایران از اخلاق صحبت کند؟ ولی پرفسور داوکینز با چند جمله ساده و بدون سفسطه رید به هیکل قمشه ای و آخوند
azadialborz 1 year ago 5
اونایی که مبنای عقایدشون داستان کودکانه ای بنام آفرینش است داستانی که صادق هدایت به بهترین شکل در نمایشنامه افسانه آفرینش آنرا از پیرایه های عرفانی درآورده و عملا هجو کرده و اصول اخلاقیشون به قوانینی بدوی و وحشیانه منتهی میشه تا حرفی باب دلشون نیست فیلسوف میشن و چنان در دقایق فلسفی غور میکنن و مو رو از ماست بیرون میکشن که ویتگنشتاین غلط بکنه باهاشون برابری کنه
شما بهتره برین با داستان آأم و حوا حال کنین
mrhojabr 1 year ago 6
از ترجمه بسیار دقیق شما دوست گرامی تشکر می کنم
کاملا منطقی است
iranmalayer 1 year ago 5
I do not believe in the morality that comes from religion, but even I don't buy that those moral issues that Richard is pointing are new concepts for 21 century.... of course man reached the equality between man and woman at 21th century, but is it developed recently or it existed inherently. lets say that free market is a new concept that does not take human life value into consideration... issues like outpregnancy, sperm store and assigning different price for it are new concepts :((
bestali2000 1 year ago
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پرفسور داوکینز مغالطه آشکاری نموده است و تعدادی از افراد که از آخوندها دل خوشی ندارند ، از این مغالطه خشنود می گردند و به پیامدهای آن فکر نمی کنند.
اولا باید بین احکام جزائی و اخلاقیات تفاوت قائل شد. تمام مواردی که داوکینز بعنوان اخلاقیات دینی برشمرده ، هیچکدام در حوزه اخلاق قرار نمی گیرند. آن موارد تنها بعضی احکام جزائی هستند که در دوره های خاصی توسط ادیان عتیقه اجرا شده اند .
pooyaghyahoocom 1 year ago
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متاسفانه این فرد خود مغلطه گر و بسیار متعصب است
یکی از اصولی که مدعی آن است احترام به عقاید دیگران است حال آن که خود ایشان با انتخاب بدترینهای بد مذاهب و تمسخر عقاید دیگران این اصول را زیر پا میگذارید
خلاصه هر چیز "دینداری یا بی دینی وقتی با تعصب باشد و به مغلطه و تمسخر دیگران و هوچیگری متوسل شود زشت است
کاش میشد زشتی ها و خودپرستی ها ی این فرد را در جایی که بتوند بدون لو رفتن بدی کند حد اقل به خودش یاداور شد
madamsori 1 year ago
@madamsori
آقا یا خانم محترم: بحث احترام به نظر دیگران درست. ولی این احترام در چه حد؟
یعنی اگه این بی احترامی باشه اولین بی احترام به نظرات دیگران پیامبران بوده اند دیگر...
oriental101 1 year ago
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دوستانی که هم انگلیسی هم فارسی تون خوبه !! می تونین لطفا پرسش این جوان رو واسه من به فارسی قابل فهم ترجمه کنید ؟ پیشاپیش سپاسگزارم ــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــ
kavehhooshdeghati 1 year ago
excellent
veganswines 1 year ago 16
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اینهم نمونه ای از استدلالهای دور تسلسلی.... ادعای منطق می کنند و این دلایل بیخود رو میارن وبرای خودشوون دس میزنن و حال میکنن...
بلاخره یه روز همه چی معلوم میشه...اونوقت که مرگ حلقومتون رو بگیره می فهمید خدا هست یا نه.... اما ندا میرسه که دیگه فایده نداره...باس بری
hagheneda 1 year ago
@hagheneda
شما که اخلاقیاتتون تو رساله خمینی خلاصه شده که محدوده به پایین تنه آدم و اینکه با حیوونها به چه صورتی باید آمیزش کرد که مورد قبول خدا و پیغمبرتون باشه
اصلا تو میدونی پرفسور داوکینز کیه؟
مطمئنا نمیدونی
nadia5827 1 year ago 32
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@nadia5827
نادیای عزیز
متاسفانه استدلال شما حکایت از اطلاع اندک شما دارد.حتی اگر فهرست رساله را نگاه می کردید متوجه می شدید که این مطلب شما صحیح نیست.
pooyaghyahoocom 1 year ago
@nadia5827 khoshbehale shoma ke enghadr agheli - bahse zire shikam bahse din nist bahse ensane - mardome donya hamishe tarikh dargiresh bodan shoma tahghigh kon ye zare az ro jav harf nazan - kash shoma hadeaghal ye bar be adami ke enghad azash tarafdari mikonid ro da ro mishodid
kholvaz123 1 year ago
@kholvaz123 عزیز من ایشون داره در مورد اخلاقیات صحبت میکنه نه در مورد مسائل غریزی اگه هم بحث د رمورد مسئله مورد علاقه شما بود باز هم من نمیگم که غیر انسانیه ولی هر بحثی حیطه خاص خودشو داره
اصولا شما مسلمونا عادت به مقلطه دارین
nadia5827 1 year ago
@nadia5827 غریزی که گفتی منطورم به کامنت اول خود شما بود . به هر حال اگر روزی اتفاقی بی افته و اقای داوکینز از نطراتشون برگردن به هر حال انسانه دیگه نمیدونم شما چه درسی خوندید ولی حتما میدونید هیچ چیزی مطلق نیست ایا شمام نطرت مثل این اقا برمیگردونی ؟
اگر اره که دیگه بحثی نیست اگر هم نه که نشون میده شما خودت خیلی عاقلی و ایشون میاد جزو افرادی که شما مقلطه کن میبینیدشون . امیدوارم منظورمو رسونده باشم . حالا راجب علاقه من بنده به چیزی اعتقاد دارم به اسم ازدواج که تو دینم اومده حالا بنظر میرسه خیلی
kholvaz123 1 year ago
@nadia5827 عاطفی تر از de facto و امثال این
چیزهاست که شما بهش علاقه دارید اگر نصف رساله در ارتباط با این موضوعاته بنظرم بهتر از اینه که بعد از یک ارتباطه مزخرف ناراحت افسرده و هزاران هزار اتفاقی که بعد از این روابط می افته باشم.
کلا دین شد وسیله عده ای کوبیدن عده ای قدرتمتد شدن اما واقعیت اینها نیست
ایا قدرت دست شما باشد ادم خوبی میمونی ؟
ایا الان که دینی ندارید خیلی انسانید؟
ایا دین از بین برود مشکلات حل میشه؟
من با کلیت دین کار دارم نه اینکه شما رو از ایران بیرون کردن و و هایی که پای دین نیس
kholvaz123 1 year ago
@kholvaz123 کلا صحبت ازاخلاقیات برای یک مسلمان (منجمدالفکر) مثل یاسین خواندن بگوش خر است
khomeini12 1 year ago 2
@nadia5827 شما تشریف ببرین و در خارج از رسانه های خمینی سکس با حیوانات و همجنسبازی و انواع و اقسام روشهای سکس رو ببینین و ببینین که کی بفکر این چیزاست و اونوقت اظهار نظر کنین
ovahidi 1 year ago