Russian plane Australia Weight and Balance issue

[grisgrisy]

love the video really good

[chrispikeyp]

i enjoyed this vid

[SuperDogbrown]

really informative and interesting

[aziztop]

what a fools .. this called ( flex temp ) . when weather and tempreture are good they do this long take off to save fuel and to minimize engine maintenance efforts

[prchecker]

some sweet info here

[onnurbw]

don't waste your time 1:40

[Andersll11]

Fucking plane is smiling!

[skotinas]

stainless russianeggs )

[anterashot]

you aussies talk funny

[Vincentcool16]

0:57 "The Vodka Burner is rollin'... We have Smirnoff! " XD

[Kookas]

@kiiiro The Simpsons is stereotypical, yeah, but it's funny sometimes. Most people don't watch it for documentary purposes. People who take offence from a show like that would kill themselves after watching South Park.

[lightrescuer]

Guys, pillots need a LOT of patience

[ShikataGaNai100]

See the manual about take-off & departure stalls. LOL

[ShikataGaNai100]

Hey, he paid the landing fees...and he is gonna use ALL the runway, even some of the overrun.

[geobo11]

@ YamahaDigital : You named it ;-)

[geobo11]

Селяни от Австралия не разбират кураж ...;)

[Scandinavian92]

Crazy bastards

[GayBoyRunning]

Gotta Love the Russians :)

[SIMOPARAS]

"vodka burner is rolling" ..... LOL

[brickwall911]

taking half of Australia back to motherland...

[TheAlienBug]

Russian Ils and ANs are very reliable. Some nations like Aussies can"t produce any planes. Only strange stuff called Vegemite, mates. But some Aussie rock groups are very good and KgB beer and documentaries about serial killers. Waltzing Matilda is super too!!

[Kingfordian22]

@TheAlienBug

But we can produce one thing.... . A SENSE OF HUMOUR!!!!

WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE.

[TheAlienBug]

@Kingfordian22 I Agree, Aussies are good natured folks. By the way what is the surest way to break Aussies finger?

[Kingfordian22]

@TheAlienBug

Well stereotyping us as drinking, crocodile wrestling and asking if w have pet kangaroos will usually piss us off. Especially if the person who is stereotyping us is American. We Aussies havn't forgotten about that Simpsons episode (it was considered to be a national insult).

[ShikataGaNai100]

@TheAlienBug Hey, take FSX off of freeze and go back to "work."

[cyanideisabitterpill]

That's Canberra AU in 2001, the ground roll seems oddly long to me, but these guys reduce departure thrust to save engine life.

[B4Shock]

I love thier humour, UK-AUS have very similar humour :P

[mikelsok]

The Guy commenting in the Tower has more than likely only flown a 'Kite' in his in his sad life and has no concept whatsoever of flight dynamics.

[MrCriticOfAll]

@mikelsok His sad life?.Mate he has a sense of humor where you dont, makes me wonder who does have a sad life when comments like yours appear.Just sit in the corner and suck your thumb mate cos your comments are crap.

[MrJD280897]

@mikelsok

We, aussies love jokes, most countries don't

[YamahaDigital]

For reference, this takeoff is a perfect example of superb airmanship: pilots calculated the minimum required runway for takeoff for given weight, fuel on board, air temperature, pressure, etc. It's just coincidence that it happened to be the exact length of that runway, so IL-76 was supposed to gain takeoff speed at the end of it, what it did. These guys won't overrun the runway or do some stupid things that make news headlines. I'll fly with that crew anywhere in the world.

[ThePhantomMajor]

@YamahaDigital maybe, maybe my friend but I'd prefer to be tanked up on my duty-frees first!!!!!!!!!!

[YamahaDigital]

I am American, so for all of you: IL-76 is typical Russian design, meant to do things its Western counterparts won't even attempt to: short takeoff and landing on unprepared airfield (i.e. dirt road or piece of dry land), with full payload (tanks, troops, etc.) They fly all over Africa where airfields are sometimes close to nothing. If your typical C-5 or C-17 would try to land at the dirt road or field, the wreckage will be at the news, guaranteed. This takeoff for IL-76 is a piece of cake.

[madedd02]

Russian pilots know what they are doing, tower shit its pants ))

[VidsOfTheBest]

Vodka Burner... LOL

[Amar7605]

How do we even know if Russian pilots were flying the plane? The plane could be privately owned and flown by anyone.

[strikeforcefreedom10]

just a bogan from canberra. i wouldnt worry

[Cloverrun676]

Canberra runway 17 when it was 8800 feet long, it has since been extended. It's not unusual for a pilot to delay rotation past V2 (speed for best rate of climb with a failed engine) to gain more airspeed before loading up the wings, but that was close!

[Aramavich]

master pilot, he's an ace

[BUCEnGAR]

"I'm running out of film. I thought I would have enough film to film the crash!"

Funny shit.

[pericavrucinic]

you have a stupid sense of humor

[nikhilkool2009]

I believe that was Canberra

[see4el9]

where abouts in Australia is that?

[mr9396]

Gotta love the Aussies sense of humour!

[RichKilla86ers]

that was a close one

[MrExspert]

All this balanced field talk is a waste of time. Sure it's nice to have room to handle an engine failure, but these guys obviously didn't. They probably also would have had a handfull if they'd lost an engine at low altitude, but they didn't.

Russians made some good planes, but , so did the "West", so did the Germans, so did the Japanese, etc.

Some people on here need to get a life and grow up.

[RainbowManification]

Bold Russian pilots have balls of steel, I know I would of never attempted that takeoff.

[GoodGodCurruthers]

wonder what kind of show the pilots put on for the controllers at the other end? gotta love the Aussie humour too :)

[hotspur666]

ALL take offs from places like Bogota or La Paz where just like this.

At V1, you have enough runway to either stop or take off WITH ONE ENGINE OUT!

(So, you spot the middle of the runway and if you dont have V1 by it, you are not going to make it!)but you know because your take off performance tables

will tell you if you're making it.

Also, the IL 76

aint much of an airplane, with the DC 8, we could carry twice as much twice as far

going 200 mph faster! THAT WITH SIMILAR SIZED ENGINES!!!

[camsw4]

Australians are funny as hell

[commander07]

those Soloviev D-30's never fail,

BTW maybe its just me but the toprated comments talk about an AN124 but as far as i can see the vids about an Ilyushin Il-76

[redtuss0ck]

Gotta wonder if they dropped as heavy a load into that runway as they hauled of it ... wonder what the air temp was?... hee hee.

The An's are a ballsy plane ... can out lift Yank crap any day for a helluva lot less dollars. Get over the Aucker comments ... it just proves the reason why Aussie's and NZ'ers get shit done where anal Euros and Yanks spend all day having a meeting about it.

[McWaters12]

"I'm running out of film - I hope I have enough to film the crash" - LOL!!!

[suvarak]

c17 aircraft in its good, but "Ruslan" (An 124) is quite different on the VID plane IL-76 and so he is a competitor of C-17. And the pilots are flying in Russia and with a larger front-loaded (My friend despatch the goods in a year performed in 40 flights, and every time he was surprised that he returned home).

IM SORRY FOR TRANSLATE

[sheetbug]

I wouldn't get over excited, it could also of been intentional to put on a bit of show.

[drphobias]

"the vodka burner is rolling" "we have smirnoff" Classic Aussie :o) Top vid.

[memodump]

All of you guys talking big, but none asked: how did they land there? Even knowing that the lane is too short? I don't think they intended to crash there, far away from home. They know their techs and they know how to calculate.

And they have iron balls.

[anitagoferadump101]

Oh my, get over this political correctness shite! Yes they did a good job at taking off, but the commentating was funny! They weren't being serious!

[oookostik]

Not politeness comment`s on the video !!!!!!!

[imarocker66]

I love the commentary :-)

[JonnyBgr]

looks like FS2004 but very nice video

[ilesmark]

Thank god he didn't have an engine failure.

Love the comment about 'he probably had his feet on the dash pulling the stick back as hard as he could' - you can just picture it!

[andrew9966]

hahaha i love the dark, australian humour at the end, "im running outta film here, i got just enough to film the crash.."

[CEMABOIKOV]

лол! Австралиец говорит "we have Smirnoff instead of we have take off"

[Heightofhate]

@CEMABOIKOV Что такое "we have take off"?...

[kyriakosvita]

Actuall this was an excellent Ilyushin IL-76 takeoff, as it appears there is no wind at all, the plane seems fully -or as Russians usually do over- loaded, and the runway is not that long. ! Comments are very funny too!!!!

[Yorzhik]

As with many You-Tube vids i dont understand the stupidity of some of these comments. Im Australian but rather than make some idiotic comment about Russians I think that pilot knew exactly what he was doing - awesome stuff but typical Western arrogance. The C17 blows. The IL is an old yet decent design that can carry a greater proportion of its mass than the C17. Furthermore the An-124 is half the price of a C-17, can carry double the weight, 20% further. Everyone leases them - Aus, UK even US.

[RobertGary1]

In every operation I've flown in (commercial and military) you are required to have a balanced field. That means the only time you should ever use all the runway is if you lost an engine after V1 speed was reached.

[zulu1durban]

Yorzhik you have no idea what you are talking about. RobertGary1 is correct you have to have a balanced field. I'm not going to explain to you what a balanced field is other than these pilots F'ed up big time.

It is not Western arrogance, it is correct piloting. AN-124 is not even close to the quality of the C-17 I have been in both.

[klin1klinom]

@zulu1durban You don't have to have a shit if you know what you're doing :)) I presume balanced field concept implies an option to abort the takeoff without rolling off the runway, so they did take a chance there, but saying they fucked up - that would be true only if they didn't manage to take off in the end)

[Semgez]

@zulu1durban It is not AN-124 it's IL-76TD

[buick1955]

@Yorzhik/ Ya and that's why Russian aircraft crash all the time, and that's only the ones they tell us about. The Airbus is working great to. Crash ! Sorry I will fly the 747 any day or night of the week.

[Amar7605]

@Yorzhik

Il-76 Max payload: 50 tons

C-17 Max payload: 85 tons

C-5 Max payload: 135 tons at 2800 nm range

AN-124 Max payload: 150 tons at 1800 nm range

[pubuman]

@Amar7605 Not quite. The C-5 max payload is 131 tons at 2400 nm (not 2800). The AN-124 has a max payload of 165 tons (range as stated). At a payload of 131 tons it has a range of a bit over 3000 nm. I think your errors are from the differences between metric tonnes and tons (short tons).

[Amar7605]

@pubuman Perhaps, I just pulled my information off of Wikipedia, from what I remember.

[xTomcatsForeverVF84x]

@Yorzhik You better check your information on the C-17. As far as everyone knows, its the most capable and tactical airlifter ever designed. It wasn't meant to be oversized like the AN-124. That's why two C-17's are just as good and can do more things than 1 AN-124. All the AN-124 can do is lag around a huge payload, nothing else not impressive. The C-17 can carry more than the IL-76 and its more capable and is better fuel efficient than those Soloviev engines.

[IslandThunder84]

@xTomcatsForeverVF84x Just let it go man. He commented like, a year ago. He probably got hit by bus by now or something.

[xTomcatsForeverVF84x]

@IslandThunder84 Well I mean, he doesn't know what he is talking about let alone, capabilities and such. For example, you can't send an AN-124 into a battle zone because its just a huge easy target. C-17's can do much more for defense such as a tactical decent and flexible enough to do things that would break an AN-124.

[pubuman]

@xTomcatsForeverVF84x I'm not too sure about the IL-76 C-17 thing, its hard to compare the two. Yes the C-17 has a greater payload, but the IL-76 has a better take off run and landing run (at its max payload). The max structural loadings are very similar, meaning that the IL-76 can do tighter maneuvers given its lighter weight, but the C-17 can deliver a greater logistical support in a "hot zone". Overall I'd probably have a C-17, but I can see the merits of having some IL-76s also.

[ShikataGaNai100]

@Yorzhik Oh yes...ILs have a remarkable safety record. Pfft. He came damned close to carrying his superior cargo off the overrun. Guess what...flying isn't like FSX. This guy clearly fucked up...and damn near screwed the pooch.

[jonjon181]

he prolly had his feet on the dash pulling as hard as he could on the stick the entire time at full power

[IslandThunder84]

thing looks like a c17

[WallesWillerWalla]

No, it does not. Look at the gears...the C-17 doesn't have gears like that, that's typical Russian/Ex. Soviet

[Fulcrum1988]

This Is Ił-76

[clof2001]

The c17 could knock that plane into the corner

[fonitrus]

actually having spoken with several serbian, ukrainian and russian pilots over the years I can assure you that often 'fun' does come into the operations they do. i personaly think its a way to flex both their personal and the plane manufacturers egoes but they know what they are doing so i guess its ok. :)

[fonitrus]

The pilot would have been laughing at how MUCH strip they gave him. These babies are designed to land and take off on dirt and unprepared runways as are most russian built planes. Unlike western manufacturers and R&D teams who approach the design of planes with a surgical scalper, the russians pick up the heaviest sledge hammer and begin design. I have seen Migs land on grass and dirt roads during training excercises.

[strangerindanger]

yes, these planes are designed to lad and take off on dirt and unprepared runways but not on 100 meter strips, they do need a long runway. What do you think the pilot is just taking the plane to the end of runway for the sake of fun?

[pw80mel]

this is russia for ya!never built anything good

[revolutions88]

@pw80mel

[TheBishopSSR]

Well, that plane needs about 1.5 times the take-off length the Australian airport provided it with. Clearly fault of planners and flights controllers, NOT PILOTS. The pilots did AMAZINGLY well, considering the short take-off strip. So stop blaming it on the Russians. It is the Australian idiots in control that provided the plane with BARELY enough take-off length...

[fla5183]

It absolutely is the fault of the pilot. Every pilot calculates his takeoff run, V0, V1 and Vr based on weight, temperature and runway altitude. If it doesn't work out you wait until the temperature changes (air density) or take weight off.

The controllers have no idea of what the takeoff weights of the aircraft are.

The aircraft commander, regardless of nationality has the absolute final decision.

[CEMABOIKOV]

The controllers sound like clowns - did you hear the controller say " We have Smin off as oppose to we have take off - then the other other jokes saying i hope i have enough film for the crash.. No professionals would joke like that

[ChrisMiller1994]

they are austrailans, some of the most laid back people in the world, from personal experience, always fun to be around.

[ShikataGaNai100]

@fla5183 Well, the controllers have seen a hell of a lot more take-offs and landings than you have on FSX.

[swardis]

Are you serious? Every action on the airplane is the responsibilty of the captain! Thats why we have V0, V1 and Vr based on takeoff weight and atmosperic conditions. A fully laden plane may need 2500 meter of TKOF range while only 1500 if empty. It depends. Stop blaiming the controllers.

[Decicrate01]

You have kind of lost me with your comment.

If the airport has a runway length of X then the pilot would be aware of it. If that is the longest runway at that airport then it would be the pilots decision to land there in the first place.

But i suppose the idiots in the control tower could of gone out there and extended the runway for the pilots.

At the end of the day it is the PILOTS that are responsible for the plane and if the runway was to short then they should of taken some cargo out.

[allflight57]

You really expect the guys in the tower to go outside and lay down pavement and extend that runway just for this plane to take off? LOL

[CEMABOIKOV]

lol

[TheBishopSSR]

"Австралийский балбес и Советская техника". here is the translation:

"Australian Idiot vs Soviet Technology"

Very appropriate.

[CEMABOIKOV]

yes sounds like a good title

[papalima]

I dunno, I thought it was a pretty funny joke... and I'm an air traffic controller. I think the retard was the pilot- there was absolutely zero margin for error or malfunction there.

[itsbologna]

To ydolgova...lighten up Francis, the guy made it.

[theweddingsinger1970]

it was a fairly harmless comment

i hear much worse things

[WakeUpDummies]

The plane was full of vodka.. and so were the pilots

[Booyaka9000]

Because, even with a three quarter load and taking off on in hot conditions, an Il-76 could have raised the nose at around 1:30 mark. Given that it was designed to be able to use short and semi prepared strips. When I was based at Butterworth, we would occasionally see this from some ill prepared civilian charters. It was almost always an issue stemming from weight or balance. I don't need to see the manifest, I have 10 years of experience.

[drusha1]

doh doh, assaralia mates ain't got no runway huh

[mandrazher]

Russian Techs! ;)

[boeingfever]

all I gotta say is , DAYYUUMM. LOL.

Did they call it the "Vodka Burner"?

whats that mean?

[canpilot85]

It's a russian built aircraft, russians are kinda known for there Vodka

[boeingfever]

oh. thanks, cool. LOL.

[AviationClaim]

Could have been a case for us....

[cargoshark]

The aircraft probably exceeded its max takeoff weight for that airport; factoring the current wx conditions. Also, as beatchildproductions mentioned earlier, the weight and balance was either ignored, skipped, or done incorrectly.

[Kenitsa]

Come on, american guys... May be this plane looks like rhinoceros with funny take off...Tell me the true - who has been feelling shits in the pants after this take off?

[bahnkla4]

go suck a dutch cock, go america!!

[vikingmerijn]

I must agree, he was slow and late taking off. But if you consider the weight of that thing AND cargo, a 747 probably couldn't pull it off! Sure make the russians rediculous, but most of their failures occured because western states wouldn't hand them a fingernail! And still don't! Grow up. Concidering their means before 1991, I think the Russians did damn well! I'm not pro-russian, but I must say western arrogance rules the world! And I'm Dutch!

[Jerram89]

How's the hash?

[jpeditor]

@vikingmerijn " but most of their failures occured because western states wouldn't hand them a fingernail! And still don't!"

Are you crazy? The Russians stole 2/3 of their tech from the U.S. and Europe & spent BILLIONS trying to CRUSH the U.S. and Europe.

" I'm not pro-russian, but I must say western arrogance rules the world! And I'm Dutch"

And dumber than most Dutch I know. You're lucky you're not speaking german, OR Russian, thanks to America and ANTI-COMMUNIST Europe. DAG.....

[jpeditor]

@jpeditor PS this must be America's fault also:

search youtbe: "Pilot pulls up landing gear while on runway"

[vikingmerijn]

What I mean is... that there is a generally negative attitude against the russians. Anything russian is bashed these days and I don't like that.

And since you're drawing this into politics I will respond. Capitalism or communism, they both have their horrors. And thanks to the americans I have i nice life I can say. But should I be pleased that american dominance in Europe is slowly destroying my mother tongue? That many Dutch children are not able to citate certain terms in Dutch, only English?

[Bugel852]

@vikingmerijn Analysis of accidents involving IL-76 during takeoff showed that they occurred when the load weight exceeds 70 tons. At least 70 tonnes, they take off normally.

In Afghanistan, the Western coalition in the spa environment, in comparison with Soviet troops. U.S. supplied the Taliban more than 2,500 MANPADS Stinger.

IL-76 there sat there with a vertical speed of 25-30 meters per second, reducing it to the last moment. Results for aircraft plant in Tashkent built about 1000 IL-76.

[toropov01]

thats russian alright we can do anything

[supern0va69]

would be sweet if the russians did make a jet aircraft that could run off vod

[unclelaz]

unbeleeeeeeeeivable

[pete5668]

love the commentary

[Haakon45]

...with an inch to spare!

[pwnage0013]

a little TOO close for comfort!

[Anzacattack]

"The vodka burner is rolling"

haha

[bogomir67]

They also fly stuff from CGN to Kabul, going over our house after takeoff (aprx. 15mls from the apt). At times you think you can reach out and pat the wheels! But the pilots obviously know their stuff.

[leonelp51]

OMG xD u make me laugh xD !!!!

[canpilot85]

thats awsome man I gotta remember that one, Im flight training on a C172 and I dont even use a quarter of the runway, what a waist. LOL

[fxdwings]

Lol omg.  They must have shit their pants in that cockpit.

[beatchildproductions]

lol...wow wow...some one either 1) made a booboo on the weight and balance or, 2) didnt care that he was outside of his margins on his weight and balance, or 3) Didn't bother with a W&B period!!!!! yikes, the thing was barely climbing!!!

[Woundtootight]

That pilot musta sharted when he saw the runway running out....:D