i know tyson has a relationship with scumbag panama lewis i wonder if mike ever used steroids? if you guys never saw "assault in the ring" watch it the infamous billy collins v louis resto fight when panama lewis removed half the padding from his fighters gloves,restos.also panama lewis put a stimulant in aron pryors water v alexis arguello.he trained judah for cotto but is banned from working a corner total scum.
Look how fast mike can think in that situation. Ruddock thougt that mike would punch with left but amazingly mike punched with right while his right still was strechted and not pulled back.
suddenly ''iron mike'' is a static 5' 10.5'' 215 lb boxer fighting a 6' 3'' 238 lb benmoth, and finding out it's hard to budge him when your'e know longer using your feet and legs to deliver your much vaunted power. listening to the wrong parasites errr advisors meant he threw away the tools that made him unique...and he became another late career joe frazier.
After listening to the last few comments on this clips I wonder if Holifield watched this fight and took some pointers from it. Like the guy say "It looks like Ruddocks game plan was to endure and ware Tyson down." unfortunetly he forgot how to duck.
@McMahonHater Holyfield watched tyson since 1985!!!! HOlyfield believed his chance to beat tyson came in 1989 when tyson fought Bruno and looked terrible!By this fight,he knew he had a good chance against tyson.
Tyson was in his prime, and would have been in his prime physically, however not mentally or emotionally, he was going down hill. If cus were have to lived at least 5 years longer, tyson would have matured way faster, and would have been a unstoppable machine during his 20's
@Entropy56 no this is already past tysons prime..the glory days are between 86-88... go watch tyson vs berbick...tyson vs spinks,,,vs holmes, vs thomas..vs biggs etc
I can't see it being true, if boxing or exercise of that sort made you lose 12 pounds in 36 minutes i think a lot of people would be doing it lol even it if wasn't a contact exercise
Tyson wasnt physically shot he was mentally shot.. thats the difference between Mike and others.
Hes 25 here, how can he be physically shot. It is all emotional. Tyson needed Rooney because Kevin is the only one Mike would listen. Tyson knows Rooney is the only one who knows more about the Peek-a-boo style and Cus than him. Kevin didnt do things for money he would tell Mike the truth these trainers he had for this fight couldnt tell Mike shit because they knew big money was coming their way.
I have to disagree Tyson done extremely well under Richie Giachetti. Tyson lost that instinct after the 5 year lay off in prison and when he came out the hype around him was so high he half trained for his fights because he thought everyone was afraid of him. Tyson was also a mental case by the time of holyfield and lewis matches. He had no excuse to lose the first Holyfield fight.
yeah, imagine if Don King hadnt convinced Tyson that he would be better off with him(instead of Rooney and Bill Cayton). Mike shouldve stuck with his roots!!!! Mike had the potential to go down as the greatest fighter EVER!
@KiidDynamiteReturns True. You have correct facts stated. Kevin Rooney knows the Peek-A-Boo style that is the perfect style for Mike. Thus any other trainer who trained Mike other than Rooney just wouldn't work for Mike and I'm sure Mike knew it. But he just had to carry on. Because there was no way Rooney was going to come back and train Mike.
I think Ruddock was smart to look for the uppercut against Tyson, since Douglas was so successful with it. However, he didn't use a jab to keep Tyson off of him. He just tried to load up one punch at a time.
This was a tough fight. Kind of a 'alpha male' fight. Just teeing off on each other. Even though Tyson won this fight at the time, he still seemed in decline. He was standing straight up and lost alot of the the skills that got him to the top. Later in the fight Tyson had the feeling of 'doom' in his corner even though he was winning. Tyson showed good heart and chin in this fight. Holyfield would have beat Tyson at this point. I knew that even though I was pulling for Tyson at the time.
Yeah i know right. Tyson fans can be some true idiots for saying such dumb shit. How can a 25 year old fighter be washed up and past his prime? He didnt have the proper training true, but he was far from washed up.
It's easy to explain why Tyson was past his prime. The break up of his original Boxing camp, too much money too soon, surrounding himelf with the wrong people (Givens, King), well documented mental/emotional issues & a neglect of his Boxing skills. Kevin Rooney & Cus, were the only trainers, 4 whatever reason that Tyson respected and listened too, once they left he was never the same. Proof is in the pudding - compare this 25yr Tyson to the 1986, 20 yr old Tyson. Suddenly it all becomes clear!
You are quite right, Tyson clearly has neglected his bob and weave style for a plodding hit and hope one. How can people not realise this?? Tyson was CLEARLY past his prime, perhaps not physically but what had made Tyson Tyson was obviously missing and for anyone with eyes they can clearly see that the Tyson we are watching here is little more than an imposter of what we witnessed between 1986 and 1988.This is just plain and simple fact and has nothing to do with bias - I'm not even a Tyson fan!
You're absolutely right. Tyson was passed his prime because he didn't live right or train right. That was his own fault mostly, but those damn parasites and leeches like Don King and Robin Givens really got to him.
Exactly mate - people that say that Tyson "wasn't" past his prime are clearly blind or biased because the evidence is right in-front of their eyes!! Maybe he still had the physical gifts to do what he did a mere 3-4 years earlier but Tyson's problem, as we all know, was mental. Surrounded by parasitic 'yes' men and a clear neglection of his bob and weave style led to this Tyson being merely a very powerful slugger rather than the finely honed attacking machine of just a few years previous.
The decision to fire Kevin Rooney would prove to be his undoing. Personally, I don't think Tyson's heart was in his work anymore and he knew that Rooney would never put up with his newfound laziness and lack of discipline. It was easier to just fire Rooney than take his shit everyday. So, what does he do? He hires his leech friends with little to no experience to train him. At least they wouldn't or couldn't ride him, right? That's my theory anyway...
..but once Rooney left his camp, you can see Tyson's skills and conditioning slowly errode away fight by fight until the destruction by Douglas. That kind of woke him up for a little while, but too little too late.
I truly appreciate it when people open their eyes to this and acknowledge that Tyson's fighting style had clearly been altered. What made him great was not displayed anymore. It was the difference between him being considered the greatest of all time and becoming the greatest disappoitment of all time.
Exactly Zebbie - spot on ole boy. I am not a big fan of Tyson but I know Boxing and it wasn't so much a deteriation of hand and foot but a neglection of his craft - his style which had been perfected over many years. Tyson was past his peak in the sense that he wasn't as good as he once was. The Tyson of '86 beats almost any heavy that ever existed. A near peak '67 Ali would be too much but apart from him I can't think of a heavyweight guaranteed to beat him. Like you say, what a dissapointment.
bang on, and to echo the guy above, it is refreshing to read some objective critical commentary of Tyson. Although he achieved a lot in a short space of time, it was nevertheless a great waste of potential. Had he been predisposed to a greater degree of focus, I suspect he'd have gone undefeated throughout his twenties, perhaps going down as the greatest heavyweight of all time. Notwithstanding the fact that I too think the 67 version of Ali would still have been a bit too much.
ali fought people with 10 plus losses wtf? Tyson fought a ton with 0 - 1 losses. Mike is the greatest, and will still be one of the hardest hitters ever. The money and women brought him down... o and don king
thats because after rooney he was surrounded by 'yes men' his whole career - including his trainers. his game went to shit after rooney - no movement, coming in straight up, relying purely on his power
Excellent point. His power was only a small part of his repertoir. His speed, combos, ability etc. were all important assets. The power just added the exclamation point. Once he started relying on power solely Tyson was fucked going against great opposition.
about time someone deducted a point from tyson for hitting after bell. tyson got away with that his whole career. i remember the smith fight, he blatantly did it without any penalisation.
Yeh that's what killed Tyson,the fact that he fired Rooney then you had these fucking idiot red neck trainers talking shit confusing the fuck out of him and fucking up his fighting style.
They should of been saying 'move your fucking head, jab, duck and hook' Tyson is best ever.
tyson at this point of his career was frustrated he still had all the tools skill etc, but had bad trainers and management and all of this confused him in the ring, he acted on his instinct and experience when in trouble, to be then told different by the fking morons in his corner.
kevin rooney and the first team tyson was the thing. this here was great talent going to waste. mike should have never fired rooney! he lost the peek ah boo style and the combo"s mike was no longer a power boxer here like he was against spinks, he was just fighting on instincs and quit developing! with rooney mike steam rolls through these chumps! would have went down undeafeated! with a lot of money! thats what he ges for choosing thugs over rooney(family!
Would've loved to see Mike with Rooney against a dedicated Bowe(like from first Holyfield fight). Probably the most talented fighters of the era but they both pissed it away.
Really, Bowe pissed it away? I don't know much about him, except that he beat Holyfield two out of three times, and that his primary asset was his weight, which could be applied to a variety of advantages.
Eddie Futch said Bowe had the potential to be the best fighter he ever trained. Bowe had tremendous heart during fights but hated to train and get in shape. Watch how his skill deteriorated from the first Holyfield fight to getting dominated by Andrew Golota.
i know tyson has a relationship with scumbag panama lewis i wonder if mike ever used steroids? if you guys never saw "assault in the ring" watch it the infamous billy collins v louis resto fight when panama lewis removed half the padding from his fighters gloves,restos.also panama lewis put a stimulant in aron pryors water v alexis arguello.he trained judah for cotto but is banned from working a corner total scum.
jimpurdie 5 months ago
Look how fast mike can think in that situation. Ruddock thougt that mike would punch with left but amazingly mike punched with right while his right still was strechted and not pulled back.
killuminatii1 10 months ago
Mike give a big pounch ... Ruddok comes in front he PUSH
withTEHRAN 10 months ago
the one with the biggest guts is the referee XD stepping into this rockslide like fight...
StallioN0of0MeadoW 1 year ago
suddenly ''iron mike'' is a static 5' 10.5'' 215 lb boxer fighting a 6' 3'' 238 lb benmoth, and finding out it's hard to budge him when your'e know longer using your feet and legs to deliver your much vaunted power. listening to the wrong parasites errr advisors meant he threw away the tools that made him unique...and he became another late career joe frazier.
elainesman 1 year ago
After listening to the last few comments on this clips I wonder if Holifield watched this fight and took some pointers from it. Like the guy say "It looks like Ruddocks game plan was to endure and ware Tyson down." unfortunetly he forgot how to duck.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Holyfield watched tyson since 1985!!!! HOlyfield believed his chance to beat tyson came in 1989 when tyson fought Bruno and looked terrible!By this fight,he knew he had a good chance against tyson.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
Tyson was in his prime, and would have been in his prime physically, however not mentally or emotionally, he was going down hill. If cus were have to lived at least 5 years longer, tyson would have matured way faster, and would have been a unstoppable machine during his 20's
cetnik03 1 year ago 2
@cetnik03 nah, nobody could have kept tyson from being himself after the money and women became so freely available to him
anwealde 10 months ago
Are these the glory days people talk about today?
Entropy56 2 years ago
@Entropy56 no this is already past tysons prime..the glory days are between 86-88... go watch tyson vs berbick...tyson vs spinks,,,vs holmes, vs thomas..vs biggs etc
DangerousDejan 1 year ago
@DangerousDejan . simply....agreed
elainesman 1 year ago
Lose a pound for round? Did I hear that right? Is that a hyperbole or does that actually happen to a fighter?
Xenu 2 years ago
@Xenu
I can't see it being true, if boxing or exercise of that sort made you lose 12 pounds in 36 minutes i think a lot of people would be doing it lol even it if wasn't a contact exercise
nickmatthew1 2 years ago
I'm the greatest eva, no one can stop me. Lennox is a conqar no i'm alexander, hes no alexander. GO MIKE
montanasosa21 2 years ago
mike on form was'nt just gd, he was the greatest ever
dabrixtonbomba 2 years ago
Tyson wasnt physically shot he was mentally shot.. thats the difference between Mike and others.
Hes 25 here, how can he be physically shot. It is all emotional. Tyson needed Rooney because Kevin is the only one Mike would listen. Tyson knows Rooney is the only one who knows more about the Peek-a-boo style and Cus than him. Kevin didnt do things for money he would tell Mike the truth these trainers he had for this fight couldnt tell Mike shit because they knew big money was coming their way.
KiidDynamiteReturns 2 years ago 13
preech it
magortom 2 years ago
I have to disagree Tyson done extremely well under Richie Giachetti. Tyson lost that instinct after the 5 year lay off in prison and when he came out the hype around him was so high he half trained for his fights because he thought everyone was afraid of him. Tyson was also a mental case by the time of holyfield and lewis matches. He had no excuse to lose the first Holyfield fight.
Omer698 2 years ago
@Omer698 rooney was ten time the trainer giachetti was tyson had no head movement jabs or combos or peek a boo style
cainepittman2 1 year ago
yeah, imagine if Don King hadnt convinced Tyson that he would be better off with him(instead of Rooney and Bill Cayton). Mike shouldve stuck with his roots!!!! Mike had the potential to go down as the greatest fighter EVER!
TNkenny 2 years ago
@KiidDynamiteReturns tyson carried ruddock im sorry ......he could have knocked him out!!!
FederalTracks 1 year ago
@KiidDynamiteReturns True. You have correct facts stated. Kevin Rooney knows the Peek-A-Boo style that is the perfect style for Mike. Thus any other trainer who trained Mike other than Rooney just wouldn't work for Mike and I'm sure Mike knew it. But he just had to carry on. Because there was no way Rooney was going to come back and train Mike.
sal70228 8 months ago
Yet when Tommy Morrison put Ruddock down with that left hook, he wasn't smiling,hehe.
Jorsalfar 2 years ago
I think Ruddock was smart to look for the uppercut against Tyson, since Douglas was so successful with it. However, he didn't use a jab to keep Tyson off of him. He just tried to load up one punch at a time.
ManAndAHalf 2 years ago
LMAO WHAT A COUNTER!!
tobby4321 2 years ago
This was a tough fight. Kind of a 'alpha male' fight. Just teeing off on each other. Even though Tyson won this fight at the time, he still seemed in decline. He was standing straight up and lost alot of the the skills that got him to the top. Later in the fight Tyson had the feeling of 'doom' in his corner even though he was winning. Tyson showed good heart and chin in this fight. Holyfield would have beat Tyson at this point. I knew that even though I was pulling for Tyson at the time.
mmcneil777 2 years ago
you go to give props to ruddock he gets knocked down and come back up with a smile.
Illmatic662 3 years ago
Ruddock's a good fighter, but,I remember earlier in his career when he lost to David Jaco, LOL, that must have been embarassing
danielzimmy69 3 years ago
Yeah, especially since he was a damn string bean and Tyson freakin' destroyed him.
Priole2000 2 years ago
this was past mike tysons prime... he didnt move like before.
matt82etc 3 years ago
lol, Tyson was 25 in this fight, how was he "past his prime"? lol
danielzimmy69 3 years ago 3
Yeah i know right. Tyson fans can be some true idiots for saying such dumb shit. How can a 25 year old fighter be washed up and past his prime? He didnt have the proper training true, but he was far from washed up.
Infamous256 3 years ago 2
It's easy to explain why Tyson was past his prime. The break up of his original Boxing camp, too much money too soon, surrounding himelf with the wrong people (Givens, King), well documented mental/emotional issues & a neglect of his Boxing skills. Kevin Rooney & Cus, were the only trainers, 4 whatever reason that Tyson respected and listened too, once they left he was never the same. Proof is in the pudding - compare this 25yr Tyson to the 1986, 20 yr old Tyson. Suddenly it all becomes clear!
PubLunch 3 years ago 2
yh yh we know
ESS757 2 years ago
You are quite right, Tyson clearly has neglected his bob and weave style for a plodding hit and hope one. How can people not realise this?? Tyson was CLEARLY past his prime, perhaps not physically but what had made Tyson Tyson was obviously missing and for anyone with eyes they can clearly see that the Tyson we are watching here is little more than an imposter of what we witnessed between 1986 and 1988.This is just plain and simple fact and has nothing to do with bias - I'm not even a Tyson fan!
PubLunch 3 years ago 3
You're absolutely right. Tyson was passed his prime because he didn't live right or train right. That was his own fault mostly, but those damn parasites and leeches like Don King and Robin Givens really got to him.
Priole2000 2 years ago
Exactly mate - people that say that Tyson "wasn't" past his prime are clearly blind or biased because the evidence is right in-front of their eyes!! Maybe he still had the physical gifts to do what he did a mere 3-4 years earlier but Tyson's problem, as we all know, was mental. Surrounded by parasitic 'yes' men and a clear neglection of his bob and weave style led to this Tyson being merely a very powerful slugger rather than the finely honed attacking machine of just a few years previous.
PubLunch 2 years ago
The decision to fire Kevin Rooney would prove to be his undoing. Personally, I don't think Tyson's heart was in his work anymore and he knew that Rooney would never put up with his newfound laziness and lack of discipline. It was easier to just fire Rooney than take his shit everyday. So, what does he do? He hires his leech friends with little to no experience to train him. At least they wouldn't or couldn't ride him, right? That's my theory anyway...
Priole2000 2 years ago
..but once Rooney left his camp, you can see Tyson's skills and conditioning slowly errode away fight by fight until the destruction by Douglas. That kind of woke him up for a little while, but too little too late.
Priole2000 2 years ago 2
I truly appreciate it when people open their eyes to this and acknowledge that Tyson's fighting style had clearly been altered. What made him great was not displayed anymore. It was the difference between him being considered the greatest of all time and becoming the greatest disappoitment of all time.
zebbie2000 2 years ago 3
Exactly Zebbie - spot on ole boy. I am not a big fan of Tyson but I know Boxing and it wasn't so much a deteriation of hand and foot but a neglection of his craft - his style which had been perfected over many years. Tyson was past his peak in the sense that he wasn't as good as he once was. The Tyson of '86 beats almost any heavy that ever existed. A near peak '67 Ali would be too much but apart from him I can't think of a heavyweight guaranteed to beat him. Like you say, what a dissapointment.
PubLunch 2 years ago 4
bang on, and to echo the guy above, it is refreshing to read some objective critical commentary of Tyson. Although he achieved a lot in a short space of time, it was nevertheless a great waste of potential. Had he been predisposed to a greater degree of focus, I suspect he'd have gone undefeated throughout his twenties, perhaps going down as the greatest heavyweight of all time. Notwithstanding the fact that I too think the 67 version of Ali would still have been a bit too much.
ArseBEAST 2 years ago 3
ali fought people with 10 plus losses wtf? Tyson fought a ton with 0 - 1 losses. Mike is the greatest, and will still be one of the hardest hitters ever. The money and women brought him down... o and don king
montanasosa21 2 years ago 4
Apparently self-responsibility doesn't exist anymore, I guess.
Xenu 2 years ago 2
mike is the best ever
kamekemaan 3 years ago 3
damn that was a nice ass right that put Ruddock on the canvas.
74GD 3 years ago
Mills Lane is a good ref
warrior350es 3 years ago 4
tysons trainer is shit, mike cant see what he's doing wrong thats his trainers job to tell him
chris270181 3 years ago 3
thats because after rooney he was surrounded by 'yes men' his whole career - including his trainers. his game went to shit after rooney - no movement, coming in straight up, relying purely on his power
saxamofone 3 years ago 6
Excellent point. His power was only a small part of his repertoir. His speed, combos, ability etc. were all important assets. The power just added the exclamation point. Once he started relying on power solely Tyson was fucked going against great opposition.
ph1484 3 years ago
Looking back at Tyson clips, makes me remember what an awesome prizefighter Mike Tyson was in his prime. The man had some genes.
KINGOFYARD 3 years ago 2
about time someone deducted a point from tyson for hitting after bell. tyson got away with that his whole career. i remember the smith fight, he blatantly did it without any penalisation.
aappty 3 years ago
tyson was a dirty fighter but it never really made a difference in his fights
fuckoff187 3 years ago
Yeh that's what killed Tyson,the fact that he fired Rooney then you had these fucking idiot red neck trainers talking shit confusing the fuck out of him and fucking up his fighting style.
They should of been saying 'move your fucking head, jab, duck and hook' Tyson is best ever.
eminemfansite 3 years ago 2
0:44 lool
dabobhotmailde 4 years ago
0:44 lool
dabobhotmailde 4 years ago
tyson should be looked on as a any other man who ultimately decides for himself and accepts the repercusions....was one of the best
VAHZGEN 4 years ago
I wonder what would happen if tyson didn't go to prison for 4 years?
whatislove102 4 years ago
tyson at this point of his career was frustrated he still had all the tools skill etc, but had bad trainers and management and all of this confused him in the ring, he acted on his instinct and experience when in trouble, to be then told different by the fking morons in his corner.
chris270181 4 years ago 3
kevin rooney and the first team tyson was the thing. this here was great talent going to waste. mike should have never fired rooney! he lost the peek ah boo style and the combo"s mike was no longer a power boxer here like he was against spinks, he was just fighting on instincs and quit developing! with rooney mike steam rolls through these chumps! would have went down undeafeated! with a lot of money! thats what he ges for choosing thugs over rooney(family!
nigger130 4 years ago 2
Eh, I dunno about undefeated.
Bonesteoca 4 years ago
Would've loved to see Mike with Rooney against a dedicated Bowe(like from first Holyfield fight). Probably the most talented fighters of the era but they both pissed it away.
AUtiger50 3 years ago
Really, Bowe pissed it away? I don't know much about him, except that he beat Holyfield two out of three times, and that his primary asset was his weight, which could be applied to a variety of advantages.
Bonesteoca 3 years ago
Eddie Futch said Bowe had the potential to be the best fighter he ever trained. Bowe had tremendous heart during fights but hated to train and get in shape. Watch how his skill deteriorated from the first Holyfield fight to getting dominated by Andrew Golota.
AUtiger50 3 years ago
Razor is a bad boxer he is wide open when he throws and misses, thats really bad for a boxer like him with not so good reflexes..
HDsharp 4 years ago
did was not a prime tyson but definantely a prime ruddock
tyson at the latest started decreasing from 88
fafaooey 4 years ago
this is prime tyson but look at his corner.... kevin rooney ain there its a stank ass white mutha fucka that dont know what the hell he is doing
swazia73 4 years ago
you are aware that Kevin Rooney is white too
embryo923 4 years ago
i already know kevin is white , the new tyson corner sucked real bad
swazia73 4 years ago 2
Hell yeah they did.
Bonesteoca 4 years ago