La viola da gamba y el violonchelo

[Pegasusxy]

Go to the website: orpheon dot org, then add these /OldSite/Seiten/education/Viol­adagambaPage.htm

/OldSite/Seiten/education/Viol­in_Vdg_Families.htm

Here a table with the real differences between the two families. You will be very surprised!

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[hangrasuave]

Video extraordinário,muito bom mesmo.

[UncleTito72]

These instruments are not even related. This is the lineage of the violin: Rabab, Rebec, Vielle, Viola di braccio, violin. The the viola da gamba in the other hand, evolved from guitar like instruments, more specifically, the vihuela de mano. Rabab technique was applied to the vihuela de mano, and now we have vihuela de arco, and then viola da bamba. In addition, the violin evolved in Italy, and the viola de gamba in Spain. Clearly, these instruments are not related in any way.

[peybak]

There is a well researched book called "The Early History of the Viol," by Ian Woodfield.

[Hikikomori013]

It's easy to see the difference. The gamba has either square or pointed corners and the cello only has pointed corners. The gamba has c, s or f shaped sound holes, the cello only has f-holes. The gamba has a flat back and the cello has an arched back. And the gamba has 5 to 7 strings and gut frets while the cello has four strings and no frets.

So the cello is basically a viola bastarda with an arched back and only four strings tuned to fifths on a fretless neck. No relation at all.

[TexasSizzle]

@Hikikomori013 your knowledge is severely limited due to the faulty teachings of many so called experts. There were indeed early cellos that had C-holes, flat backs and even 5 or more strings in some cases. Besides all this the Viola da Gambe is significantly older than the cello. Now tell me, do you really think it a strech for Italian makers to have looked at the violin, other larger bass level instrumenti and then have come up with the bright idea to make a cello after the violin like Gamba?

[TexasSizzle]

@TexasSizzle Where I say "violin like Gamba", I do not mean to draw similarity between the instruments, rather the goal is to say that the makers in all likelihood looked at the need of a larger bass producing violin type instrument and then produced the Cello based primarily or at least in large part to the knowledge gleaned by the Gamba's admittedly similar sonority, register and general sympathy. Why is it that both musics transfer so easily to each other? They are kissing cousins I think.

[Hikikomori013]

@TexasSizzle

I think that was my point. The cello is a hybrid instrument combining the body and tuning of the violin with the size and playing style of the gamba. It was even originally played with the bow held underhand, like the double bass is frequently played.

The same thing happened in Germany where the cittern lost the re-entrant tuning and the mandolin gained the flat-iron body until the two instruments became nearly identical.

And then there's the viola de amore.

[TexasSizzle]

@Hikikomori013 You are using double talk. You clearly stated there was no relation between the instruments. I think a closer look at history will at least suggest the possibility if not the likelihood that there is an inspirational connection and the fact that physically, there are a lot of similarities while obvious distinctions as well.

[Hikikomori013]

@TexasSizzle

I'm sorry, it was a linguistic device.

I draw the parallels between the two instruments, then agree that they are not at all alike. This disconnect causes the viewer to stop, look twice and say, "Why yes, I do see the resemblance now."

You are eviscerating me for fundamentally agreeing with you. I'm not exactly sure why you're so upset that I don't see what I clearly stated that I saw in the first post that you attacked me for.

It was a turn of phrase.

[mephystovals]

Hola! muy bueno tu video. Una pregunta: ¿Cuál es el nombre de la primer canción, desde 0:11-1:10? Esa incríble. ¿alguna otra que recomiendes con viola de gamba? Saludos, gracias.

[marianmus]

@mephystovals Improvisación sobre las Folías de España de Marin Marais. Hay muchísima música para este instrumento... Jordi Savall es violagambista, puedes empezar por ahí, ya que su repertorio te puede sugerir diferentes compositores. Esta pieza forma parte de la BSO de la película francesa Todas las mañanas del mundo, quizás te guste escucharla (a mí me encanta la selección).

[84acser]

@mephystovals Jordi Savall - 1994 - Tous Les Matins Du Monde - Improvisation Sur Les Folies d'Espagne

[lordcristale]

La viola de gamba, la hermana mayor del violonchelo :, )

[barbarabarbi]

Se me saltan las lágrimas con este video..adoro los dos... aunque me tira más el violoncello..

gracias por el trabajo :)

[kisssakura16]

gracias por el video , no sabia que tenian tantas diferencias .

[xwatersoulx]

I believe that the both belong to the same family....

"la viola da gamba" could have been the previous version of the cello, you know, before the baroque.

[Polluxgeminae]

Viola da gamba comes from the vihuela or baroque guitar family while the cello comes from the violin family.

They're not related at all... just in the playing of the bass line.

[fluffytom82]

@Polluxgeminae

Actually the violinfamily comes from the gamba: they were constructed as a gamba for poor people. To make a gamba you need lots of glue, which was very expensive. To avoid the use of it, they cut grooves into the soundboard and the back to "slide" the pieces into each other. Altering the form gave enough tension for them to stick together with hardly any glue.

The violin, gamba, guitar, vihuela, cello,... all come from the medieval rebec (lyra) and developed on their own.

[usafwings09]

Though they are similarly based, they are both from different instrument families: the viol and the violin. The only reason for making different sizes is to accomplish voicing similar to that of a human 'choir'.

[TexasSizzle]

@xwatersoulx I am a musical scholar and I believe there may be some grounds for connection. First off the origins of the vihuela are from the Persian Ud of which there were many bow played lyres from many civilizations going back. Besides, the cello is quite a bit younger than the Viola da Gamba and it is logical that some maker looked at the gamba, looked at the still young violin and put 2 and 2 together. It baffles me why so many denounce the very possibility as being rubbish.

[UncleTito72]

@TexasSizzle This is very well documented. The violin's lineage is the rabab, rebec, the vielle, viola di braccio, violin. Viola da gamba, in the other hand, is born when rabab bowing technique is applied to an exiting fretted instrument (the vihuela de mano). Instruments of the violin family evolved in Italy, whereas the viol evolved in Spain. No offense, but most scholars ON THE MATTER agree there is no relation. Perhaps you should look into the published research on the subject. No offense.

[TexasSizzle]

@UncleTito72 You may find Tio Tito that much of the so called scholarship is or has been in the form of "hand me down" scholarly conclusions that have been in part promulgated with peer pressure. Very little evidence actually EXISTS if you want to yell at me proving that the Viola da Gamba is NOT the cellos older Uncle. Again, I stress nothing is ever only black and white. It is high horsed and almost retarded simple-mindedness and sheer pride that refuses to stay open to possibilities. Opn Mind

[UncleTito72]

@TexasSizzle No yelling. Simply stating what has been found through research through reliable sources. Just because they are similar it does not mean there is a relation. The Egyptians had pyramids and so did the Aztecs. These two groups are not related in any way. Take humans for example (a very broad example), we all have a head, a torso and four limbs with digits. But don't tell me that an Australian aborigine has anything in common with a Viking. Just the overall look of a human. just saying

[rakalabi]

ok for the bach song ( suite n.1 in G. Major BWv 1007, thanks Haddingjar!! ) , but what is the song before? Great video indeed...

[adonif]

second song is an improvisation over "folia d'espagne" by marin marais, find the song in the movie "tout les matins du monde", search in youtube, there is the song

[pierrot79]

"Variations sur les folies d'espagne" by Marin Marais, and played by Jordi Savall

[waTcherKai]

Hola!

La cancion que suena despues del primer minuto, ¿podrian decirme cual es? La verdad no se mucho de esta musica pero alguna vez la oi y me gusto muchisimo, pero no se como se llama. Agradeceria que alguien me dijera.

[Haddingjar]

Es el Preludio de la primera suite para chelo de Johann Sebastian Bach, BWv 1007.

[BuchouKuruta]

Wow le pusiste una Folia, gracias por este genial video y por la folia T_T

[nicopicon]

celestial..

[JERJES58]

este video es cojonudo.

[Cellorock1994]

esta muy bien