The World of Ecovillages

[DesecrateConformity]

Umm... Yea... I've watched some of these eco-village videos, and I'm pretty sure that I don't want to shovel food into a pile for a job. I'm not willing to give up my intellectual pursuits. I don't think that most people will embrace eco-villages until they become less isolationist, and allow for occupation specialization.

[RalphKSwanson]

Uploaded at Libertarian International Organization Twitter today.

[indabushwoman]

I am looking for people to help start an ecovillage/permaculture farm in the Bahamas. If you are interested please send a msg to my inbox.

[westkan]

I believe that some viewing these vids loose sight of "peak,moment" and most of the material is about how we might live post peak oil. Life will change post peak oil. Most likely we will be eating food grown nearby, in season, or preserved for eating out of season.

[guitarsolointhewind]

One of the better videos!!

Lots of good leads for my wife and I to get crack'n on!

Keep up the good work.

btw... Because of the websites suggested we found and are planning to visit 3 different ecovillages in our area!

[peakmoment]

@guitarsolointhewind and @greenteen85 ~ we are really heartened that Peak Moment programs move people to action, to changes in their lives. Big changes are coming, are already in motion, and it's wise to begin preparing inside and out. Best wishes in your visits!

Take a look at episode 148 "Finding an Ecovillage/ Sacred Activism" - in the first half Diana gives guidelines for finding an ecovillage.

[NisseHult101]

Interesting video. Your guest really had thought about these issues a lot. But she had so much to say herself that it was almost a monologue at times! Good info anyway.

[peakmoment]

Yes, she was editor of Communities magazine for 20 years, and does presentations (with slides) of her information to many communities. As well as living in one, herself!

[theproducegarden]

good vid!

[greenteen85]

As dignified as usual, Peakmoment. Nice discussion. I've been thinking of visiting Ithaca sinced its realatively nearby

[scarmenl]

I don't thing that commune style living is a bad thing.

But don't be conned into thinking that this will support the population as it is now.

We need both a clean industry and energy as well as cleaner and better food growth.

Some people are happier and a situation like this and more power to them.

Me I plan on doing a more industrial approach.

Why? Because I don't think that without some industry and manufacture we can make it as a people. We will need tools, engines and what not.

[TheNewRenaissance]

@scarmenl

I agree, a balanced level of industry is needed. But there is real advancement being made in small scale fabrication technology, not quite 'Diamond Age' or Star Trek 'replicators' yet but the emerging technologies are very exciting.

[Diatonic135]

you should seek out and interview some native americans that still know something of how their ancestors lived.

before white man came to turtle island, it was a land of abundance.

great interview btw. i look forward to more.

[peakmoment]

Fine idea, thanks. The native peoples lived sustainably for thousands of years, until the conquerors came and destroyed their landbase and way of life. They could teach us a lot.

[TheNewRenaissance]

@BlueSkies360

So for you any form of community is communism? So you want a life in a corporate hamster-wheel of a job and renting a tiny hutch in a big business run city under an un-payable load of debt by design? Enjoy your 'freedom'.

[BlueSkies360]

I will pick corporate hamsterweel over marxist utopia any day.

[TheNewRenaissance]

@BlueSkies360

Ever hear of the UN's 'Agenda 21'? Yup, the globalists are planning on hamster wheels and tiny sleeping compartments packed into locked-down Orwellian cities owned by mega corporations. You should be the first in line for a tracking chip and assigned job.

[gilgamesh1962]

When corporations get together to become bigger and stronger they call it a Merger, when Army's get together, they call it "joining forces" but when people get together, then its Marxism? I can understand why governments would not like this, after all, governments gain strength when people NEED them for hand outs. and corporation sure do not want people actually working for themselves, they do need their working slave drones.

[btigtime2]

You are right. There is no better community than the free market, as long as there are no monopolies and no central currency reserve and government control. Sounds like liberty.

[jihadacadien]

These ecovillages are great! Sadly I can imagine people where I live fighting against such a village in fear of the unknown.

[BlueSkies360]

Let's call it what it is--a marxist commune.

[IKLIPTIC]

@BlueSkies360 I was thinking the same thing, some elements I did agree would be helpful but a majority of what was focused on was very much a marxists concept and not a free society based on personal value but a collective value.....scary how hippies went from being freedom fighters of value to communists....interesting

[Balefulmoon]

Did you actually watch the video? She said nothing about Marxism, socialism, the proletariat, class struggle, or anything else that would suggest she has any knowledge of marxism.

On the other hand, she did discuss private ownership, private capitalization of enterprises, entrepreneurship, and freedom.

You might want to go back and actually watch the video before forming an erroneous opinion and then commenting about it.

[BlueSkies360]

Did YOU watch the video? You can put a lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig, no matter what you call it. :) It collectivism, straight up, with a central comittee and their own currency... That's not freedom, that's slavery. If you like to slave for each other, do it, but don't call it freedom; its a commune. Workers of the world unite, that's what it is.

[qualqui]

@BlueSkies360 the debt system we now have in the West is the actual slave system,....remember workers don't need capital, they "make" their own capital, on the other hand Capital does need workers, so if the workers work for themselves, no need for Capital.

[BlueSkies360]

Just pay off your debt to get out of the system. Nobody is keeping you there. Why would you live in a house you can't afford or go to college that costs your 10 y to pay back. Workers working for themselves is utopia; that's not real life. At some point everyone needs an angioplasty and that ain't gonna be given away for a pumpkin.

[qualqui]

@BlueSkies360: Lucky you haven' t got any debt, but thats just the point, why buy a big house when small is better, why go to college when we have tons of knowledge that our grandfathers hand down to us for FREE but in order to get a cpa or mba, we ignore that and prefer university. Who needs a angioplasty, somebody who has strayed from the natural world, if people's food is their medicine and their medicine is their food there wouldn't be any need for these medical specialties.

[Balefulmoon]

So opting out of the Federal Reserve System is now "slavery"? And being a slave to the Fed is "freedom"?

Making your own living on your own land is now "slavery;" but working for the government and buying your staples in a big box store is "freedom"?

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Hey, thanks for clearing that up for me, Big Brother.

[BlueSkies360]

You are confused. I did not say any of those things.

[Balefulmoon]

"I did not say any of those things."

"their own currency... That's not freedom, that's slavery."

Of course you didn't, Big Brother.

I know! I know! Maybe Karl Marx flew forward in time and hacked YouTube and changed your post so he could win us all over to his great vision of world domination while simultaneously making you, the last true freedom-lover, look like a blathering idiot.

Or maybe it was a memory hole malfunction.

[BlueSkies360]

Just read my post. I said nothing about liking the Federal Reserve. I do not support paper currencies. Why swap one for another?

And I did not say: "living on a land is slavery", "buying staples from a store is freedom" or any other stuff you made up there. What's got into you? And no, I do not believe somebody can fly in from the past and hack accounts. What kinda twisted delusional idea is that? Are you drunk?

[merganthu]

@Balefulmoon

LOL, BlueSkies360 is such a dipshit he can't even remember what he said.

[Bytesmiths]

You are confused. Diana didn't say anything about Marxism or collectivism. In fact, one of the key parts of the Gillman definition of an ecovillage is, "with multiple centres of initiative."

Typically, people who want to do something unique with a minimum of interference fund it themselves as their own little business. That's capitalism.

[peakmoment]

@BlueSkies360, in the video Diana points out that people voluntarily form ecovillages and determine their own rules and guidelines. As Balefulmoon noted, homes are owned individually, as are businesses.

I don't believe she mentioned any "ism" -- and I think all of the big centralized ISMs are suspect: they concentrate power in fewer hands rather than empowering the many.

[IKLIPTIC]

@peakmoment I'm ashamed how people just identify our view as negative instead of researching our definition. Not mentioning an "ism" in the interview as you state "DOES NOT" mean that is it not one.

"Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange."

She is not leaning far closer to Marxism than capitalism? Great discussion either way, but a sad uneducated viewership responding.

Much Love and God Bless

[Bytesmiths]

I think you're reading more into this than there is.

If I have a banana, and you have an orange, and we decide to make a fruit salad with them, is that Marxism? If I plant a banana tree, and sell my bananas to people who make fruit salad, how is that Marxism?

Diana said NOTHING about "public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange." To the contrary, she stressed the importance of individual enterprises.

Watch the video again without your commie-detecting glasses.

[blaufuss1]

@BlueSkies360

As jihadacadien described it:

"I can imagine people where I live fighting against such a village in fear of the unknown."