StarCraft 2 - [T] Marine Hellion Harass Into Banshee - Strategy

[keks1003]

love this build.

[n00bz00rd]

I use a variation of this build with the Starport making a Viking, Tech Lab, then Banshees.

In my second Starport I either make more Vikings if there is still a good amount of Lords left or more Banshees if there aren't.

Basically I'm harrassing even more so they can't make any units except Overlords. No Drones, no reinforcements, and a brutally messed up economy making the Zerg player easy to pick off with Banshees.

[Shiima7]

add me man lets do some 2v2 Shima cc 885

[thesoundofdistortion]

He was Terran him apart....Lol

[AnderJ017]

This is exactly what I needed TvZ is my worst match up (lol i no rite?) doing this I got into diamond (theres alot of zergs on SEA servers).

Some other builds you should cover is the iEthoic 3-1-2 TvP build, i've lost one TvP since i've started using that well. And the TvT Hellion drop into cloaked banshee (to finish off what the hellion missed)

[smellsliketeens]

Wouldn't it be better to put a tech lab on the first factory and research preignition? Then when that is done lift off the factory and put a starport on that tech lab. Would make it do more damage while saving resources by not getting that second tech lab.

[evilpinne]

@smellsliketeens, what ndewhurst12 said, the push isn't there to do much damage, and teching to preignitors takes too much time. Just building a tech lab on the fact takes too long time (guess you could build it on the rax, but that will mean less marines), and then you have the research time after that. That will also set you back 100-150 gas or whatever the ignitors cost. that's a whole banshee right there

[guy2j]

@smellsliketeens noob

[seltzinator]

I like Force but I wish he would spend more time showing people how to counter cheese strats than how to do them.

[Rectowarrior]

@seltzinator Cheeses are where the user is economically set back because of his rush, and the T is able to produce off of TWO starports and even EXPANDS during his attack, which means he is definitely not cheesing. Also, this is easily countered by the early roach/ling pressure because the few marines and maybe early hellion are no match for 3-5 roaches and 10 lings.

[yatayatayata]

Goin' into da Muslim vision

[AcidBugler]

goes to show you how devastating not scouting is. as zerg i pretty much always get at least one overseer, if nothign else to sneak into the corner iof their base and run a couple changleings in to get an idea of whats going on, worst case scenario they kill ur guys before you see much of their buildings, however you still see what they killed your guys with. anyways enough of my babbling SCOUT MORE GUYS itll improve your game drastically : )

[fLyGoN160595]

seriously. this just shows that it is WAY to easy for terran to switch tech. I think THATS the OP thing about terran.

[Rotemetoot]

hahaha so obvious terran player hypnotised by fake skill... "sjstrategie I hazzz sjstraattegiee"

So funny...

[Rotemetoot]

@Rotemetoot that's a little harsh but quit annoying indeed how people think they are good when they play Terran while tournament pro's agree that Terran is waaaaay easier than Zerg to play.. and this guy only has Terran tactics... LOL

[ndewhurst12]

That build dropped me from 4 diamond to 24 diamond. I learned the timings to counter, and that build doesn't give me trouble anymore. The Zerg didn't scout at all that game. He basically tried to blind counter reapers or hellions, and he got raped. The terran could have done a marine tank timing push and crushed him as well.

For you Zergs who struggle with this,

14 gas

14 pool

Zergling Speed and pull workers off gas.

20-22 Expand

Speed complete > Start lair

Lair half way > Suicide ovie

Spire

[ndewhurst12]

@ndewhurst12 Use lings to walk up his ramp, make sure you build enough lings to handle a push, but do not take any other tech routes if he is going Banshee. Get 4 queens total as the lair builds, and start an overseer if the suicide ovie spotted the starport with techlabs.

[ForceSC2strategy]

@ndewhurst12

Thank you for posting this!

This is exactly the kind of comment / discussion that helps make this a robust community for people looking for strategies and tactics to help improve their game.

Hopefully in the future we will have a web site up with forums where this type of discussion can take place more easily.

Thank you for contributing.

Cheers,

Force

[ndewhurst12]

@ForceSC2strategy Glad I could contribute. 

[Fr3ddz0r5]

@ndewhurst12 i go that build all the time only thing that works really good and if the muta dosent do to mutch you still have him in his base and you just mass expand and get ultra or Brood lord and so esay just to put down a roche voren and scout scout scout for reaper and crazy proxy had a lot of problem whit terran going this still have :D

[greglorendavis]

@ndewhurst12 Sorry for sounding like a noob here, but does suicide ovie mean Overlord scout?

[evilpinne]

@greglorendavis yup it does, overlord scout that is probably going to die

[ndewhurst12]

@greglorendavis It means to send your overlord as far as possible into his base, even if he is going to kill it with marines. You sacrifice the Overlord for valuable scouting information.

[SFtheWolf]

@ndewhurst12 What do you mean by suicide ovie?

[kicaii1988]

@SFtheWolf

sacrifice an overlord for scouting purposes.

[OmonthaStarcraft]

@SFtheWolf he means scout with a overlord sucide meaning it will probably die.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 14 gas, 14 pool, metabolic boost, queen, hatch and more speedlings is generally the 'safe' method of fast expanding. I'm surprised that as a diamond player, you had to lose to know that. (I'm in bronze o.o)

[ndewhurst12]

@cedakuruqan Please explain to me the relevance of your comment.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 If you fail to see the relevance of such a simple comment, you have failed both as a English educated person and is clearly not a diamond league player.

Relevant enough?

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 If you fail to see the relevance of such a simple comment, you have failed both as a English educated person and is clearly not a diamond league player.

Relevant enough?

That said, I commend you on clearly setting out a guide for new and upcoming zerg players. Have fun.

[ndewhurst12]

@cedakuruqan In your first comment you state that I had to lose to learn that gas, pool expand was a safe method of fast expanding. I ask how is that relevant because I have taken no part in discussing the 'safe' methods of fast expanding. The irrelevance of your first comment has carried over to your second, so please just shut the fuck up now.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 ur a dumb fuck. Did i talk abt u safe expanding? Or taking part in a discussion for it? I'm talking about WHY as a diamond player, you don't know this/that particular strategy. The relevance of my comment is in direct correlation with your absurdity in claiming yourself a diamond player yet unknowing of the most basic fucking strategies employed.

Please think your reply through thoroughly, numb-nut. Otherwise, you're just a poor excuse for what didn't run down your mother's legs.

[ndewhurst12]

@cedakuruqan First of all, where did I state that I didn't know a particular strategy. Secondly, fucking tell me your Character Code and Name so I can fucking crush you with my eyes closed.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12

Username is XSocratioX.

For your part, you just gotta fly to Singapore, yishun avenue 2, and sit in front of me with your eyes closed and beat me. I doubt you can, or will do it. Still, welcome to try

Lastly, if your rank dropped from 4 to 24, its clearly bcuz

a.) you don't know the strat

b.) you don't scout, which means you ARE NOT DIAMOND.

or c.) you know about it, but couldn't fighure out a way to counter it: which would really indicate your not a diamond league player.

[ndewhurst12]

@cedakuruqan Obviously in bronze you still think it is strategy that separates the best players.

Kinetic#151

I'm Diamond, you're bronze. Please Stfu and stop acting like you are better than me.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 Obviously, there's something wrong with ur head. SC2 is a RTS game. allow me to repeat. Its a REAL TIME STRATEGY GAME. Unless your telling me micro/macro wins u the game totally on its own, I'd rather u quit sc2 and spouting the bullshit.

Lastly, this is my last answer to you. I've proven without a shadow of a doubt you're NOT a diamond. Please stop embarassing yourself. I'm not replying to any further posts. Have fun in dreamland diamond league.

[ndewhurst12]

@cedakuruqan Pro gamers such as Day [9] admit that mechanics is the common denominator. Look up my fucking name on Sc2Ranked so you don't look like such a dumbass.

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12 Again and again and again....u miss the point. I'm back this time bcuz u obviously can't stand down even when you've beaten to hell and back. Tell me, when your mama spanks you, do you spank her back? :D

Day9 is cool. Day9 is good. Yet, when have I ever said mechanics NOT mattered? Take the best mechanics you want. If you have a perfect mechanical marine-tank vs Z's muta-baneling-ling : You're fucked.

Pls reply with a proper argument in mind. Dumb fuck...

[LolCaramelz]

@cedakuruqan

Why don't you try replying with proper grammar, dumbfuck.

[cedakuruqan]

@LolCaramelz why don't you fuck urself? I see that your channel, like yourself has to handle some pretty fucked up stuff, you're quite a troll aren't you?

[LolCaramelz]

@cedakurugan

>urself

>I see that your channel, like yourself has to handle some pretty fucked up stuff (Lol what?)

[cedakuruqan]

@ndewhurst12

Again and again and again....u miss the point. I'm back this time bcuz u obviously can't stand down even when you've beaten to hell and back.

Day9 is cool. Day9 is good. Yet, when have I ever said mechanics NOT mattered? Take the best mechanics you want. If you have a perfect mechanical marine-tank vs Z's muta-baneling-ling : You're fucked. Mechanics or no mechanics.

P.S: if you refute that point, you can go fuck urself. And I'm definitely staying away from you.

[0100110101001011]

@ndewhurst12 suicide ovy?

[AeanHD]

@0100110101001011 its when you run your overlord into their base, doesnt matter if it dies or not to gain scouting information.

[274017CHBJH4]

@ndewhurst12 TY so much, i've been having a lot of trouble with with build, and couldn't figure out how to counter it.

[ndewhurst12]

@274017CHBJH4 Yeaa this was a discussion we had months ago. If you still need help you can just send me a message with your name and cc and I'll teach you a new Zerg build that is helping me just walk over Terrans.

[ry4nx]

is ur name on sc2 "Force"



[hunterxg]

i hate Terran OP vs zerg

[twm1887]

74.

[KieranG1337]

I usually do a 3 hellion blue flame timing push with a barracks tech lab switch with the factory. Would that be able to work with this build do you reckon?

[ndewhurst12]

@KieranG1337 It would delay your banshee. The real strength of the banshee build is that Zerg doesn't have very good anti-air in the early stages of the game like Toss and Terran. In the build that is presented; the strength of the push is that it may cause your opponent to overcompensate with Roaches or Lings instead of getting up to Lair. The push isn't really in place to do a whole lot of damage, just to dictate the tech-path of your opponent long enough to get the Banshees out.

[WatchesVideosOnUtube]

its annoying when people say GL HF

like seriously...

[bygone44]

@WatchesVideosOnUtube ...its just what you do, its like the gg at the end

[R34LiSM]

@WatchesVideosOnUtube i agree haha.. i usually just don't respond to it. half the time they'll be like "good luck have fun," then they pull some ridiculous cheese that cuts a year off of your life span

[dylanErr1994]

@WatchesVideosOnUtube  BM

[Kingspade808]

first moofos

[rawrnomnomnomgrrrrrr]

sorry for the fail typing

[rawrnomnomnomgrrrrrr]

lam both of you said first at the same time ><

[WatchesVideosOnUtube]

first

[markustryggz]

first