bible SAYS earth has 4CORNERS. it says earth is 6000yrs old and describres earth as flat in 2places. bible says light called DAY was created before the sun. thats enuf proof its all made up we all know you cnt have day without the sun. so xtians can bark and whine all they want still doesnt change fact.. and deleting crap in new versions , means fooling ppl still doesnt change fact. nor does drinking poison and not dying change fact
@mrlogicalman1 The light was before the sun and moon the light was jesus read first john and 2 john and learn the light was before the sun that light made the sun
bible says earth is flat , has 4CORNERS, is 6000yrs old. light called DAY is made before the sun and stars. its funny how the xtian human worshippers and all the jesusists try explaining all these lies and crap against logic and science. an entire religion based on 1 fabrication
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.”
Hey doofas. Show me IN SCRIPTURE where It says the earth is 6000 years old?
Also, show me where the Bible says The earth is flat?
See doofas? 4 corners has nothing to do with the earth being flat lol
In the middle ages they believed the earth was FLAT! Not a square!
Furthermore little pimple... The Old Testament refers MANY times to not only the earth being round but the fact it orbits the sun. Enochs writings go into even further detail.
Poor little pimple... You love people like me huh? lol Dontcha pimple? You already look a fool but people like me make you look like a poor dumb animal.
Oh i didnt explain to the pimple the 4 corners thing lol
Scripture does mention 4 corners but the word corners isnt actually the best english word. Its actually referring to the ALL 4 DIRECTIONS like on a compass!
N, S, E, W
Do you need helping counting? Ok thats 4! FOUR directions! See doofas even 4000 years ago they broke the world up into 4 quadrants. NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST.
@Davemustang2600 Bible scripture is retarded. Completely retarded. Why would anybody take pride in wasting their life away trying to interpret scripture is beyond me and any other right-minded human being.
@Davemustang2600 And no, scripture does not say anything about the Earth being 6000 year old DIRECTLY. But it does say it INDIRECTLY. In order for the calculations to be wrong, one of the dates would have to be incorrect. If even ONE thing in scripture is incorrect then what reason do we have to believe that any of it is correct? The Bible does claim to be the absolute truth after all. Not one single inconsistency is allowed when dealing with something that claims to be the absolute truth.
prove what you xtians say it urselves EVEN IF UR A RAPIST XTIAN you go to heaven . the bible says good deeds are worthless. church says DONT PRAY TO GOD. thats enuf proof its from satan
There were giants in our history ! its written in all books from the creator, but those devil worshippers keep ''changing history books'' but with all this overwelming evidence of skeletons popping up araound d globe,, how much can you hide the truth....those in the know, know,,but those who hide the truth from humans have definatly sold there soul for this world..
you murder some one and you are rewarded with heaven. while a baby goes to hell as the bible says ALL HAVE SINNED you xtians are beyond deluded. if you think you wont answer for your crimes. just like humans do in any court of law
Actually, the Bible doesnt say that. The catholic 'church' said that. It can be inferred. But to accept 1 thing the catholic church teaches is to accept everything it teaches. It is a cult. I do not accept anything they say.
you just proved my point retard if as you say angels sinned more than once even then . that means they are like humans , so everyday ther should be angels fighting, arguing sinning , killing . like humans so where does it say in the bible that angels are always sinning. you xtians are always making up crap. ask same question to 3 of you and ull get 3 diff answers. you go on guesswork, assumptions, delusions and no proof or common sense
man YOU ARE AN IDIOT! An IDIOT wrapped in a FOOL!
The Bible isnt less credible because its misunderstood and misquoted and misused anymore than humanity is less credible because it produces idiots like you.
Can you show me where murdering someone rewards a person in heaven? lol
Ok. You realize thats Islam right? Do you know the difference between Islam and Christianity? Ya one goes back 6000 years and the other one didnt exist 2000 years ago.
Did you know there are 2500 EXACT and SPECIFIC prophesies in Scripture of which 2000 have ALREADY been fulfilled?
History and Prophecy are the foundation of credibility of Scripture.
The only person here 'making crap up' is you!
Can you tell me what your level of stupidity feels like? If it were a color which spectrum would it represent? lol If it were a fruit which one would it be? Probly seedless lol.
If it were a shape which geometrical figure would fit?
Youre a scatter brained fool. Ive spent years researching history and Scripture.
You do nothing but sit around applying circular reasoning to things you have no comprehension of. Youre not logical. You are a doofas.
Its more reasonable to get 3 different answer from 3 different Christian than it is to get 2 different answers from 1 PERSON! Ya im referring to you. Youre like an ape-dog chasing its tail or wait is it? Maybe its a banana growing out of your butt!
why dont you explain why god would have a human body. why has he got lungs, tongue, stomach ect you think human is the best [possible creation. we have all our parts cos they ALL have a function. god is beyond physical dependancies so why would he have human traits. fact is the primitive xtians couldnt comprehend god, so they made him out as a giant human. and explain jesus did he become a sperm and then regrow into a man again
if angels had free will like man. then man can say to god why are we tested for hell, heaven and they are not. also if they had free will the heavens would not run. like clockwork. angels would always be arguing, refusing work itd be chaos. ther is no logic in creating this kind of eternal beings. why is it that you say angels only ONCE rebelled.why not again why not some everyday. bible just talks a load of crap that makes no sense
Angels didnt just ONCE rebel stupid. There are at least 2 DIRECT references to 2 different angelic rebellions. Possibly three. But 2 that are spelled out.
1. Lucifer and a 1/3 of the angels rebelled. That is recorded.
2. The Watchers. The angels referred to as having left their OFFICE to have sexual relations with women and offer man things forbidden by God for them to have.
God is a SPIRIT. He is NOT flesh and blood. He doesnt have a lungs or a stomach or even a heartbeat.
Im going to say this in all honestly. Nothing you've said really deserves any intelligent response at all. Your premises are just bad. Theyre not existent.
Tell me doofas. How do you know a line isnt straight? Hmmm? How can you know something isnt straight? How do you know something is crooked? Because you KNOW what a straight line looks like.
I wouldnt say youve even begin to apply a thinking process. Your statements are absolute chaos. How do i know that? The same why i know what a crooked line looks like. I know what a straight line is.
Your comparing things that in themselves crooked. Therefore your conclusions are crooked.
Early Christians couldnt comprehend God? Sure about that? Lol Course youre not. You dont know anything.
ALL COURTS IN THE WORLD , WORK ON ARRESTING AND PUNISHING THEG GUILTY, THEY DO NOT PUNISH SOME1 ELSE INSTEAD. IF THIS IS WOT GOD DOES THEN WHY DONT XTIAN JUDGES DO THAT, COS THEY KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS TO LET OFF GUILTY AND PUNISH SOME1 ELSE INSTEAD. IF U ASK GOD FOR JUSTICE SAY UR KID WAS RAPED IN CHURCH. U THINK GOD WILL SAY SORRY CNT HELP YOU, THE GUILTY GUY IS XTIAN SO HES IN HEAVEN SO GET LOST... THIS IS WOT THEY SAY GOD DOES. SENDS VERMIN TO HEAVEN AND INNOCENT TO HELL
ANGELS ARE NOT MALE OR FEMALE. SO EXACTLY HOW DO THEY HAVE SEX WITH MANKIND. XTIANS ALWAYS TALK NONSENSE. IF JESUS 'KNEW' HED GET HIS LIFE BACK, THEN HOW DID HE SACRIFICE HIS LIFE. . YOU CAN ONLY SACRIFICE SUMAT IF YOU DONT KNOW YOULL GET IT BACK. AND ALSO WHY DID HE TRY SAVE HIMSELF WITH SWORDS, LAZY DISCIPLES AND PRAYERS, DINT HE HAVE ENUF TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE ERM SO CALLED SACRIFICE.AND HOW DOES HIS 2DAYS OF DEATH WIPE CRIMES DONE BY OTHERS, TRILLIONS DONE IN 2000YEARS, WEN DOES IT RUN OUT
XTIANS ALWAYS TALK CRAP. SATAN WAS NOT AN ANGEL. ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL. IF THEY DID THEN THEY WOULD BE ON EARTH BEING TESTED LIKE MANKIND. OR MANKIND WOULD SAY ON JUDGEMENT DAY WHY ARE WE TESTED FOR HEAVEN AND HELL , WHY ARNT ANGELS SINCE THEY HAVE FREE WILL TOO. SO ANGELS HAVE NO FREE WILL, THATS WHY THE AFTERLIFE RUNS LIKE CLOCKWORK. YOU XTIANS ACCUSE ALL OF SINNING EVEN GOD. YOU SPARE NO1 JUST SO YOU CAN SPREAD UR NONSENSE.
Doofas. Doofas. Doofas. Im not getting something here. Youre knowledge of angels comes exclusively from Scripture. So the foundation of that knowledge that angels do exist comes from Scripture. So how is it that you take Scriptures authority on their existence but not their behavior? If the Bible is lying about their characteristics then how do you know it isnt lying about their existence?
logicalman? Do you even know what logic and reason is?
XTIANS AND THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY PRIMITIVE MINDS THAT ANTHROMORPHOCISED, ALL CREATOIONS OF GOD. THEY MADE AND GAVE HUMAN QUALITIES TO GOD, ANGELS, DEMONS ECT COS THEY CNT COMPREHEND GOD AS BEING NON HUMAN SHAPED
ANGELS HAVE NO FREE WILL , NOR NEED TO BE TESTED LIKE HUMANS. THEY HAVE NO GENDER, AND DO NOT HAVE SEX. THE HEAVENS WOULD NOT RUN IF THEY HAD FREE WILL, COS THEY WOULD BE LIKE HUMANS ARGUING, FIGHTING, LYING ECT ECT. THE BIBLE JUST TALKS OUT OF ITS ARSE. SAYING NEPHILIM ARE FROM ANGELS. AND THAT ANGELS REBELLED. GOD WOULD NOT BOTHER CREATING THEM
Youre a dummy. Lucifer was an angel. His was the archangel over a third of the angels.
He HAD a free will. He made the decision to try and overthrow Gods throne.
The Watchers who were set in the heavenlies to watch the earth and mans comings and goings LEFT their OFFICE according to Jude and Peter and Enoch 3000 years before them. These angels made a DECISION to leave their jobposts and intermarry and intermix with mankind. Thats called FREEWILL.
See the mormons are taught as a result of the visions or wet dreams which ever you wish to call them of Joseph Smith who said satan doesnt exist and Lucifer and Jesus are brothers. And if youre a mormon male and you have 4 kids and bla bla bla bla...youll become a god of a planet and be given like 70 or so virgins to have sex with FOREVER! lol Thats mormonism in a nutshell.
Oh ya thats consequentially what Mit Romney believes it that makes anyone feel better!
"Same thing Jesus did to His disciples in John before He went to the cross."
Are you referring to the passage of John 20:20-23? In this passage, Jesus appears to his disciples after His resurrection. He breathes on them and says "...receive the Holy Spirit.". Note that this happens AFTER the cross. Did you cheat on your seminary exam to get that theology degree? XD
I would however love to hear this crazy mormons expository supposition of Isaiah 14:12.
Gotta love mormons. I often ask 'Where do mormons come from?' How does on become mormon? Seriously? You have to get down on a pretty low rational plane of thinking. How do you get a person to think theyre going to inherit a planet with virgins theyre going to have sex with for eternity? And past that how do you convince that perpetual virginity is possible? lol wouldnt they cease to be virgins after...eh
Id like to draw everyones attention to Mr Swall who says Lucifer is actually the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14:12.
Ive asked Swalley 6 times now to tell me how this king of babylone got up into heaven to personally challenge God as ruler of the universe and then get cast back to earth?
This is the 7th time Ive brought it up. The poor idiot just keeps telling me to read the whole chapter. We were dissecting this chapter years ago. Theres no need to read what youve already taken apart.
Reading some of these comments shows why it is so important to understand the Hebrew. Sons of God refers to men who served God and practiced Godliness in their living. Giants were tyrants and leaders, not literal giants. Mighty men is another term for them and the same is said of Nimrod, which means rebel.
The first part of Genesis 6:4 could have very well been worded as "During the time when the angels sought sexual relations with human women, gigantic creatures were prevalent upon the Earth...". Simply put, in Pre-Flood times, giant creatures (i.e. dinosaurs) walked the Earth. Giant humans probably also existed in greater numbers than at any other time in history. They were probably large for the same reason that the animals at that time were larger- double oxygen in the atmosphere.
No that doesnt work. The context for what GIANT means is precisely laid out. The context is talking about 'mankind' not a general meaning like 'creatures' You have to ADD your own spin there to make that work and I wouldnt advise doing that with the Word of God.
I understand creationism. But this simply isnt true given the context of how the word GIANTS is being used. Its SPECIFICALLY describing 'mankind' not ALL creatures. The world is NOT 6000 years old. The earth has many ages. Some of which are referred to in the Bible. Like when Isaiah talked about Lucifer exalting his throne after deceiving the nations to challenge God. This refers to a PreAdamic civilization. Lucifer ruled the earth and all its nations
"The context for what GIANT means is precisely laid out. "
Genesis 6:4 says "...there were giants in the Earth in those days...". It never says that the giants were the direct product of a union between fallen angels and women. I am not denying the fact that this union probably did take place. It is logical, however, to assume that such an unholy union did produce superhuman, even freakish, creatures which were probably one reason God sent the Global Flood.
If God created Adam as the first man, then why and how could there have been any human beings before him? Adam was the first man, the first human being before any other. Peace
No the Bible doenst say ANYWHERE that Adam was the first man. It says he was the first man CREATED in GODS IMAGE. That Image being His Righteousness before God based on worship through His own personal knowledge and experience with God.
Thats why Jesus is called the 2nd Adam. Because he restored that Righteousness the first ADAM (not the first man) lost when he sinned against God.
The Bible describes Lucifer as leading NATIONS BEFORE he fell.
Dude i have a Theology degree. This isnt the lunchroom cafeteria for the 8th grade class.
Everything youre saying is based on what you perceive Truth is apart from the Word of God. Thats called Idolatry.
The beginning? There actually is no beginning. God didnt begin nor will He end. So talking about the beginning in some sense that youre going to try and make logical attributes for is stupid. Because its meaningless to God.
God bless you and your theology degree. I just happen to believe that, in addition to being written for scholars who like to probe things further, the Bible was also written for the common man to understand without having to 'read into'. Peace
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world.
See that? The prophet Isaiah is talking about Lucifer and his FORMER greatness and how he was thrown down to the earth and destroyed the nations of the world.
Ok this didnt happen between Genesis and Isaiah. It happened before.
@Davemustang2600 Isaiah was talking about the king of Babylon not some spiritual entity which may or may not be literal, commonly called Lucifer. That "term" is only used once in the Bible and never refers to some mystical spiritual entity. Read the whole chapter then tell me what you think. Also, notice the reference of being a man in that messege to the king and not anything else....
HAHA Where do you come from? Ok dummy. O STAR OF THE MORNING! Thats what Lucifer was called. He was called the star of the morning! The Latin word comes from this. It why we called him Lucifer! Whats that stupid feel like? Im bettin it hurts but ya get used to it lol
And tell me stupid? How did the King of Babylon get into heaven to be thrown? lol
From now I will not respond to your messages. I will only laugh at them.
Im still waiting? How did the King of Babylon get into heaven to be cast down to the earth? lol And how did the King of Babylon destroy the nations of the world? And what magic did this King use to levitate himself from his throne to approach the throne of God and challenge him with a 1/3 of the angels in heaven? lol
@Davemustang2600 If you have read the whole chapter and still don't understand who the messeges is for than there's nothing more I can say. But I wish you well. Keep God first always brother, the rest is just details.
If you held keeping God first as an absolute standard you would put His Word first which you do not. You destroy it and minimize to suit your feelings and religious investments.
You and I do not serve the same God therefore I am not your brother. You serve deception therefore your master is he who deceives not He Who leads into Truth.
@Davemustang2600 I'm sorry, you just don't know me well enough to conclude that. But you're right. We don't serve the same God. My Lord would not permit me to degrade others as you have done. God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. I don't have a degree, just a heart for God and truth, and an openness to be proven wrong. I desire truth not my feelings or religous investments. I have none
Dude. Youre wasting your breathe. Those Who are begotten of God know the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God LEADS into ALL TRUTH. If you were begotten of God then it wouldnt be possible that you could be deceived to this agree. The Holy Spirits number 1 office is to REVEAL the Word of God. The Word of God is only hidden to those who are cut-off from the Spirit of God.
Each post you left here is nothing more than a veil of deception. This isnt a game.
Everything Ive posted agrees with the what is contextually present in the Word of God from cover to cover. Nothing you said agrees with Scripture. NOTHING!
As i said deceived fool! If the Babylonian King is who Isaiah is speaking to then HOW DID HE GET INTO HEAVEN TO BE CAST BACK TO EARTH!!!???
There isnt a single precedence for anything like this in Scripture before or after!
Every Bible scholar on planet earth knows Lucifer is who Isaiah is referring to.
Ya know? You sound like a nutty mormon. LOL Are you seriously Mormon? Bwahahaha.
That explains everything. And like most mormons you have no idea what youre really apart of.
Jesus is the only way to the Father. There is no other way to salvation. Joseph Smith was a kid who had a wet dream and began a religion out of it not even 200 years ago.
Ya sorry. Those magic panties youve got on burn in hell just like everything does.
Heres Isaiah 14:12 in the King James 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Whats that name mentioned there doofas? Can ya read? Are ya blind? Whos name is that? LUCIFER! LUCIFER! LUCIFER!
Ok dummy. Who is deceived? Who is accepting what is stated and who is distorting it?
It says LUCIFER! He was cast out of heaven! Not a freakin king!
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the Him that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ya no king of Babylon or other nation EVER accomplished this. Not even Rome!
@Davemustang2600 This is my last post to you so listen up. The early Jews personified that force within man that opposed the will of God (satan,devil =adversary or opposer) for poetic purpose. It was how they constucted their writings. In Revelation the Dragon is refered back to the devil and satan and the serpant, which means in Hebrew whisper or hiss not literal snake. Never does it refer to lucifer. Use more Hebrew and Greek translation and less English when studying.
@MrSwall24 Oh, and the red dragon is a reference of King Herod. He was an Edomite. Edom means red. And remember, The scribtures were written to Jews not Americans, so you have to read it like a Jew, understanding their beliefs. Early Jews ,I mean. And study more world history. It'll help greatly in understanding things like why the king of Babylon fits perfectly. Throw your degree away. It didn't help you one bit. One day you will understand if you drop that pride and stay a constant student.
Pride? LOL Heres what youre saying without meaning to. You acknowledge I know what Im talkin about and you dont. It makes you feel less than which it should. But instead of answering that with a hunger for real knowledge you answer it like a 3 year old reaching back for some more warm milk.
You are an ignorant fool. Most likely you will die an ignorant fool.
Also, the term 'void' indicates a lack of something. It means 'vacuum' or 'withoutness'. A certain thing, broken down into smaller pieces, does not make it void. Case closed.
Giants were the result of a union between angels and women. The women gave birth to hybrid creatures that grew to such a height that the 12 spies returned from Canaan saying 'We are grasshoppers before them' Average height was probably 5.9 or 5.10.
Carbon dating isnt 100 percent but its close. The only way to bridge the gaps between what we dont know, what the Bible says, and what we find in the dirt is to know the WHOLE story which we will not.
TPTB don't want anyone to know the true history of this planet, because it conforms to the Bible. Especially to the Book of Enoch, which the Pope way back when had removed. If people knew the real story; plans for worldwide enslavement of the human race by the Illuminati would be much harder for them to achieve. Wake up people before it's too late. All that you think you know is an illusion created by people with an evil purpose. It'll all be over soon. Ask Christ Jesus into your heart now!!!
@gregrutz Lucifer was a angel and God describes him being made out of beautiful jewels when he was still in heaven, he didn't mention anything about wings.
You see, Adam was given the 'Holy Spirit' just like us when we accept Christ. Adam was saved before he sinned. But had relinquished that to the snake by eating from the tree of knowledge.. Jesus had to correct that and reverse what had been done. Adam was given the amazing gift of eternal life (Holy Spirit) long before Jesus came to give it to mankind once again.
It is by the blood of Jesus that God doesn't see our sins. It is by the spirit that we're saved, not by flesh... Romans 6-8 is very clear about this.
The spiritual realm exists before the physical. Mark 16:12. 'Afterward Jesus appeared in a 'different' form to two of them while they were walking in the country. Notice He had a form... a spiritual body of 'Flesh and bone' but not of blood. It's all in the Bible! He gave us His spirit and we have a spirit body in Heaven. Scripture talks about this... Checkout - 2 Corinthians 5 for some answers. Our flesh is dead to us... Checkout Romans.
The Bible talks about Goliath's brothers having six fingers. Coincidentally David, Jesus's line slayed the giant and his four brothers who were mutants. And we are created in God's image, yes. But you have to first realize that when this scripture was 'written' God was a 'Spirit' being, not of flesh. The Hebrew word for breath is spirit. In the beginning God breathed a breath into Adam and he was alive. We are created in the image of God's spirit. God is a spirit being until Jesus came.
@EndeavorFreedom Show me proof, REAL PROOF again not conjecture. To claim the bible, or the book of Enoch is proof of Giants is to say the Hindu Vedas' claims of UFO's are proof of UFO's, wishful thinking
@EndeavorFreedom Yes, he can deny mythologies, just like you deny the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation and transitional fossils.
There are no transitional fossils ya idiot. Not a SINGLE ONE has EVER been found!
Top evolutionists admit THIS is the main problem with the theory of evolution. No TRUE transitionary fossils exists. As it appears in the fossil record you depending on how you look at it you see 2 things. 1. Gigantic leaps in evolution with no transitions in between 2. Millions of species appearing out of nowhere.
Ive researched this. This is the consensus of your top evolutionists.
If evolution is TRULY small changes that take place over millions of years 3 problems!
1. You dont see those small changes taking place. Things appear and they disappear from and to nowhere.
2. The world environment hasnt changed drastically enough to warrant such bizarre changes from trilobytes to mankind.
3. Evolution is a response of creatures keeping up step with physical nature. Transitions periods are vulnerable periods. Wouldve never made it to a beneficial state.
@SyrinxPriestOf Wow, since when are theories or apparent evidences dismissed because someone claims they can't be "proven"? It can take weeks, months or even years to deem something as fact or fiction. I have not made any conclusions but being closed minded to an intelligent proposition is NOT pointless ever!
@skategoddess123 We are the angels in fallen state, are they not also the sons of God? - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
[7] But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Ps 82
KJV Bible states: Gen1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..."
Each spirit" "angel" "son of God" has their own unique image and that image was created in the flesh, example of this truth is that we each have unique fingerprints, no two are the same, just as no two DNA is the same, we are all Unique in the flesh, just as we were created unique in the spirit.
@gregrutz Me personally, i've seen demons, not angels I just go by what I read in the bible about the angels my mom sees both and my sisters and my dad and I go by what they describe too. They sometimes be little balls of light or bigger..
@gregrutz@gregrutz You are just one out of many that will find out soon that this stuff is not a joke. There are soo many signs in the natural world that things are going downhill because people are letting satan have his way, and people don't want to believe in anything except for what a scientist says like they are Gods or something. Like for example, you can't see gravity, but you swear you know it's real because a SCIENTIST SAID so.
His Image doesnt refer to our physical image it refers to the fact that God is Spirit. We were given spirits. Nothing else in creation has a spirit but man. Thats what that means. Remember the Bible is a Spiritual book not a natural one. You have to discern things spiritually not rationalize them naturally.
"Remember the Bible is a Spiritual book not a natural one. You have to discern things spiritually not rationalize them naturally."
Yes, this is the very groundwork for our discussion. Neither of us denies the existence of angels, creation, the spiritual nature of man, or the fact of the Flood. However, the circumstances and evidences surrounding the existence of human and animal giants in pre-ancient times is real, scientifically sound material. Peace
Ya dude. I never said they werent. Im simply saying that Giant creatures did not exist during the dispensation of man created in Gods Image. Read Gen 1. Theres two events taking place. 1. Creation of the universe. 2. Reforming of the earth.
Why was the earth without void? God doesnt create things without void. It was without void because the battle between Lucifer and a 3rd of the angels made it that way.
Look at that verse 'NOW let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Curious thing about that is it leads me to believe there were 'men' previously created that were not made in the Image of God. Thats why we find all these different looking ape/human skeletons that are a million years old. This goes back to a time Lucifer ruled the earth with his throne here thats why when he left it he went UP an challenged God.
"Thats why we find all these different looking ape/human skeletons that are a million years old."
The belief in some sort of ape/human hybrid hidden within the pages of Genesis is simply a byproduct of the theory of Evolution. The Lord doesn't need practice in order to make something perfect. In other words, He did not require some trial & error procedure in order to get right the creation of a being made after His likeness and image. He is perfect.
Dummy. I didnt say he needed practice. And youre ignoring the Word of God. Your ignoring what IT SAYS not me. I didnt say Lucifer ruled nations before our time ISAIAH DID!~ I didnt say NOW lets make man IN OUR IMAGE! God said that!
Youre upholding some romantic idea about Gods perfection and youre a pea brain. You have no idea what perfection where God is concerned means.
Your statement is one of Idolatry not Truth You want to make God in your image
"No, he called it 'GOOD' And if you look up that word in the Hebrew it simply means it PLEASED HIM."
So it pleased an All-Knowing, Benevolent being to produce ape/human hybrids dying like flies throughout eons of ages and natural selection (death) to produce the first 'man'? Evolution-"Death brought man into the world". Christianity- "Man brought death into the world".
"For as IN ADAM ALL DIE , even so in Christ shall all be made alive ."- 1 Cor. 15:22
No we find all these strange looking skeletons that arent ape or human is because these were 'men' that were created in a different image than Adam. I also believe Lucifer deceived them with graven images. We're unearthing temples now that pre date Sumeria. We have no idea who the people were or anything. But these temples have carving and statues of animals because they worshiped them. I think thats why God says HAVE NO GRAVEN IMAGE.
"No we find all these strange looking skeletons that arent ape or human is because these were 'men' that were created in a different image than Adam."
Skeletons that men of antiquity were calling 'the missing link' are now called for what they are by the more astute scientists of our day- different species' of apes. Robust human skeletons with skulls having sloped brows are believed by Creationists to be those of long-lived men who thrived after the Flood.
Thats absolute stupidity. Creationists have repeated the same problem evolutionists created which is distorting history and evidence to fit a desired outcome.
The world is ancient. Men are babies on this planet. Thats the only explanation. And its sprinkled throughout the Word of God were just not intelligent enough to look at it.
@SylentIntensity1122 I agree. However, books written, like, Book of Enoch, pre-date the theory of evolution. Stories like these are a byproduct of man's creativity. Look at the Greeks for instance, where they had tells of half man half horse and so on... : )
While Genesis 6:4 does give very real license for even the most down-to-earth Christian to believe that unholy unions between angels and women produced 'monsters', yes there still does have to be a line drawn between fantasy and reality.
The Book of Enoch goes into great detail. The Ecumenical council of fools left it out because they didnt want a book included in the Bible that talked about angels and women having sex. This is the ONLY reason Enoch was not included in Scripture.
The Book of Enoch is referred to throughout the Bible. I included one that Jude made.
Are you going to explain how the King of Babylon got into heaven to challenge God and then got cast down to earth without splattering into a million pieces?
Maybe you ll just accept your status as ignorant fool and set yourself about to change it,
"This is the ONLY reason Enoch was not included in Scripture."
One particular book which I find was curiously left out of Scripture was the tale of Bel and the Dragon. As for the Book of Enoch, it is a little on the far-fetched side and isn't pertinent. But 'Bel and the Dragon' could have been a key instrument in preventing the spread of the theory of Evolution, seeing that the 'dragon' mentioned in the tale was apparently Nebachudnezzar's pet dinosaur.
Dude what are you talking about? Bel and the Dragon? Dude? Okay you realize that narrative is ONLY in the Greek Septuagint? Its only recognized as canonical by the catholic church which should immediately tell you something.
The Scriptures which Jesus would have used which were Hebrew texts did not have this story.
So 'Bel and the Dragon' has no original Hebrew text? Who has proven this and how? Nevertheless, it was neither pertinent to an overall understanding of the Word nor was it necessary in understanding the Gospel. So, it was omitted from the final version of the Holy Scriptures we possess today.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this He that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Notice that Isaiah is saying that Lucifer MADE the WORLD AS A WILDERNESS?
What did Genesis 1 say? The earth was shapeless? Without form?
If the Earth had been destroyed into billions of pieces in some war initiated by the fallen angels, then that means it would still exist in a certain form- albeit in billions of little pieces. Things in the physical realm don't just exist without form. If they exist, then they have a certain shape and form. To say that the Earth was without shape and form means that it wasn't created yet- not that it was created and was floating about in a billion pieces.
No the Bible doesnt say the earth was in a billion little pieces.
Again youre arguing with the Bible not me.
Heres what you said
'Things in the physical realm don't just exist without form. If they exist, then they have a certain shape and form'
Genesis was written in ancient Hebrew. The word VOID? It means empty. How can an earth which doesnt exist be empty? You should immediately begin to change your line of thinking when exposed to Truth.
The Bible doesnt say it was in a million pieces. Just that it was without void meaning empty. It was without form meaning it was desolate.
You understand that the mintue the Subject of a thing is inserted in language its because it ALREADY EXISTS. You cannot describe something that doesnt exist.
Secondly, if the earth had not been created yet thered be no reason to say it had no form would there? How many other things were described this way? 0!
SEE HOW THE XTIANS LIE RIGHT TO PPL FACES. THEY DENY SUMAT THAT IS FACT AS ALLAH SAYS THEY ARE DELUDED, MAKE UP THINGS, GO ON GUESSWORK, AND VANITY
mrlogicalman1 1 day ago
What a load of shit. Giants.
TheChaosInfernal 1 week ago
bible SAYS earth has 4CORNERS. it says earth is 6000yrs old and describres earth as flat in 2places. bible says light called DAY was created before the sun. thats enuf proof its all made up we all know you cnt have day without the sun. so xtians can bark and whine all they want still doesnt change fact.. and deleting crap in new versions , means fooling ppl still doesnt change fact. nor does drinking poison and not dying change fact
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1 no it doesn't. tell me the scriptures and I'll show you how your wrong and how someone fooled you by taking them out of context
MrRoderickvonn 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1 and nothing has been deleted in new versions
MrRoderickvonn 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1 The light was before the sun and moon the light was jesus read first john and 2 john and learn the light was before the sun that light made the sun
keithdcaulley 2 days ago
bible says earth is flat , has 4CORNERS, is 6000yrs old. light called DAY is made before the sun and stars. its funny how the xtian human worshippers and all the jesusists try explaining all these lies and crap against logic and science. an entire religion based on 1 fabrication
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
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Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated ‘Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.”
abdulhakkemable 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Hey doofas. Show me IN SCRIPTURE where It says the earth is 6000 years old?
Also, show me where the Bible says The earth is flat?
See doofas? 4 corners has nothing to do with the earth being flat lol
In the middle ages they believed the earth was FLAT! Not a square!
Furthermore little pimple... The Old Testament refers MANY times to not only the earth being round but the fact it orbits the sun. Enochs writings go into even further detail.
IDIOT! lol
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Poor little pimple... You love people like me huh? lol Dontcha pimple? You already look a fool but people like me make you look like a poor dumb animal.
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Oh i didnt explain to the pimple the 4 corners thing lol
Scripture does mention 4 corners but the word corners isnt actually the best english word. Its actually referring to the ALL 4 DIRECTIONS like on a compass!
N, S, E, W
Do you need helping counting? Ok thats 4! FOUR directions! See doofas even 4000 years ago they broke the world up into 4 quadrants. NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST.
Whats it feel like to be that stupid?
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Tell u what my dim witted, retard version of Sherlock Holmes? Bring something real! lol
Dont bring me some stupid presumption based on the idiot catholics 1500 years AFTER Christ. Dont bring some creationist idea.
BRING ME SOMETHING FROM THE SCRIPTURE DOOFAS!
I can point out more falsely based ideas by idiot on Scriptures than you can!
Just because you do not comprehend the Scriptures does not mean the Scriptures are flawed! Means YOU ARE IGNORANT!
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
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@Davemustang2600 Bible scripture is retarded. Completely retarded. Why would anybody take pride in wasting their life away trying to interpret scripture is beyond me and any other right-minded human being.
mjohanss1975 1 week ago
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@Davemustang2600 And no, scripture does not say anything about the Earth being 6000 year old DIRECTLY. But it does say it INDIRECTLY. In order for the calculations to be wrong, one of the dates would have to be incorrect. If even ONE thing in scripture is incorrect then what reason do we have to believe that any of it is correct? The Bible does claim to be the absolute truth after all. Not one single inconsistency is allowed when dealing with something that claims to be the absolute truth.
mjohanss1975 1 week ago
xtians are always proven to talk out of ther arse. then they start barking. who cares. it will still not help them wen theyre thrown in hell
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
prove what you xtians say it urselves EVEN IF UR A RAPIST XTIAN you go to heaven . the bible says good deeds are worthless. church says DONT PRAY TO GOD. thats enuf proof its from satan
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
LOL!!!!!
YOURE A FRUIT LOOP!!!
THE ONLY CRUSADE YOUR OWN IS CHASING THE LETTER Q IN YOUR CHINESE ALPHABET SOUP!
YOU ARE A LOONEY TUNE!
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@Davemustang2600
If it makes you feel any better, I didn't even read your last 4 comments. Happy posting! LOL
SylentIntensity1122 1 week ago
@SylentIntensity1122
If it makes you feel any better Im never surprised when a barely literate idiot tells me he didnt read something!!!
Happy ignorance! (doofas)
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
christians believe they can kill, rape whatever than go to heaven
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Prove it. Show me what Christians killed and raped and went to heaven? lol
Youre ignoring me because you cant say anything to me.
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
There were giants in our history ! its written in all books from the creator, but those devil worshippers keep ''changing history books'' but with all this overwelming evidence of skeletons popping up araound d globe,, how much can you hide the truth....those in the know, know,,but those who hide the truth from humans have definatly sold there soul for this world..
onceevinicinitemizle 2 weeks ago
who cares about the weather... i'm moving on
hillmyrnarose 2 weeks ago
hey, the art you show here is awesome, too bad the message is so moronic.
lessevdoolbretsim 2 weeks ago
maybe you dont know all means all
mrlogicalman1 2 weeks ago
you murder some one and you are rewarded with heaven. while a baby goes to hell as the bible says ALL HAVE SINNED you xtians are beyond deluded. if you think you wont answer for your crimes. just like humans do in any court of law
mrlogicalman1 2 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1 babies dont go to hell they if they have not reached the age of accountability.. says the Bible
JohnnyNyberg 2 weeks ago
@JohnnyNyberg
Actually, the Bible doesnt say that. The catholic 'church' said that. It can be inferred. But to accept 1 thing the catholic church teaches is to accept everything it teaches. It is a cult. I do not accept anything they say.
Davemustang2600 2 weeks ago
you just proved my point retard if as you say angels sinned more than once even then . that means they are like humans , so everyday ther should be angels fighting, arguing sinning , killing . like humans so where does it say in the bible that angels are always sinning. you xtians are always making up crap. ask same question to 3 of you and ull get 3 diff answers. you go on guesswork, assumptions, delusions and no proof or common sense
mrlogicalman1 2 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
man YOU ARE AN IDIOT! An IDIOT wrapped in a FOOL!
The Bible isnt less credible because its misunderstood and misquoted and misused anymore than humanity is less credible because it produces idiots like you.
Can you show me where murdering someone rewards a person in heaven? lol
Ok. You realize thats Islam right? Do you know the difference between Islam and Christianity? Ya one goes back 6000 years and the other one didnt exist 2000 years ago.
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Did you know there are 2500 EXACT and SPECIFIC prophesies in Scripture of which 2000 have ALREADY been fulfilled?
History and Prophecy are the foundation of credibility of Scripture.
The only person here 'making crap up' is you!
Can you tell me what your level of stupidity feels like? If it were a color which spectrum would it represent? lol If it were a fruit which one would it be? Probly seedless lol.
If it were a shape which geometrical figure would fit?
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1
Youre a scatter brained fool. Ive spent years researching history and Scripture.
You do nothing but sit around applying circular reasoning to things you have no comprehension of. Youre not logical. You are a doofas.
Its more reasonable to get 3 different answer from 3 different Christian than it is to get 2 different answers from 1 PERSON! Ya im referring to you. Youre like an ape-dog chasing its tail or wait is it? Maybe its a banana growing out of your butt!
Davemustang2600 1 week ago
Um?
Cstel987 2 weeks ago
What flood?
gregrutz 3 weeks ago
why dont you explain why god would have a human body. why has he got lungs, tongue, stomach ect you think human is the best [possible creation. we have all our parts cos they ALL have a function. god is beyond physical dependancies so why would he have human traits. fact is the primitive xtians couldnt comprehend god, so they made him out as a giant human. and explain jesus did he become a sperm and then regrow into a man again
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
if angels had free will like man. then man can say to god why are we tested for hell, heaven and they are not. also if they had free will the heavens would not run. like clockwork. angels would always be arguing, refusing work itd be chaos. ther is no logic in creating this kind of eternal beings. why is it that you say angels only ONCE rebelled.why not again why not some everyday. bible just talks a load of crap that makes no sense
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
Why dont you argue my points doofas?
Angels didnt just ONCE rebel stupid. There are at least 2 DIRECT references to 2 different angelic rebellions. Possibly three. But 2 that are spelled out.
1. Lucifer and a 1/3 of the angels rebelled. That is recorded.
2. The Watchers. The angels referred to as having left their OFFICE to have sexual relations with women and offer man things forbidden by God for them to have.
Davemustang2600 2 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
God is a SPIRIT. He is NOT flesh and blood. He doesnt have a lungs or a stomach or even a heartbeat.
Im going to say this in all honestly. Nothing you've said really deserves any intelligent response at all. Your premises are just bad. Theyre not existent.
Tell me doofas. How do you know a line isnt straight? Hmmm? How can you know something isnt straight? How do you know something is crooked? Because you KNOW what a straight line looks like.
Davemustang2600 2 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
I wouldnt say youve even begin to apply a thinking process. Your statements are absolute chaos. How do i know that? The same why i know what a crooked line looks like. I know what a straight line is.
Your comparing things that in themselves crooked. Therefore your conclusions are crooked.
Early Christians couldnt comprehend God? Sure about that? Lol Course youre not. You dont know anything.
Davemustang2600 2 weeks ago
ALL COURTS IN THE WORLD , WORK ON ARRESTING AND PUNISHING THEG GUILTY, THEY DO NOT PUNISH SOME1 ELSE INSTEAD. IF THIS IS WOT GOD DOES THEN WHY DONT XTIAN JUDGES DO THAT, COS THEY KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS TO LET OFF GUILTY AND PUNISH SOME1 ELSE INSTEAD. IF U ASK GOD FOR JUSTICE SAY UR KID WAS RAPED IN CHURCH. U THINK GOD WILL SAY SORRY CNT HELP YOU, THE GUILTY GUY IS XTIAN SO HES IN HEAVEN SO GET LOST... THIS IS WOT THEY SAY GOD DOES. SENDS VERMIN TO HEAVEN AND INNOCENT TO HELL
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
I would encourage to look up the word Righteousness as it appears in the Pauline context.
Youre thinking like Cro Magnon man not a being created in the image of God. Now why do you think that is? Go ponder mrlogicalman.
Davemustang2600 3 weeks ago
ANGELS ARE NOT MALE OR FEMALE. SO EXACTLY HOW DO THEY HAVE SEX WITH MANKIND. XTIANS ALWAYS TALK NONSENSE. IF JESUS 'KNEW' HED GET HIS LIFE BACK, THEN HOW DID HE SACRIFICE HIS LIFE. . YOU CAN ONLY SACRIFICE SUMAT IF YOU DONT KNOW YOULL GET IT BACK. AND ALSO WHY DID HE TRY SAVE HIMSELF WITH SWORDS, LAZY DISCIPLES AND PRAYERS, DINT HE HAVE ENUF TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE ERM SO CALLED SACRIFICE.AND HOW DOES HIS 2DAYS OF DEATH WIPE CRIMES DONE BY OTHERS, TRILLIONS DONE IN 2000YEARS, WEN DOES IT RUN OUT
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
XTIANS ALWAYS TALK CRAP. SATAN WAS NOT AN ANGEL. ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL. IF THEY DID THEN THEY WOULD BE ON EARTH BEING TESTED LIKE MANKIND. OR MANKIND WOULD SAY ON JUDGEMENT DAY WHY ARE WE TESTED FOR HEAVEN AND HELL , WHY ARNT ANGELS SINCE THEY HAVE FREE WILL TOO. SO ANGELS HAVE NO FREE WILL, THATS WHY THE AFTERLIFE RUNS LIKE CLOCKWORK. YOU XTIANS ACCUSE ALL OF SINNING EVEN GOD. YOU SPARE NO1 JUST SO YOU CAN SPREAD UR NONSENSE.
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
Doofas. Doofas. Doofas. Im not getting something here. Youre knowledge of angels comes exclusively from Scripture. So the foundation of that knowledge that angels do exist comes from Scripture. So how is it that you take Scriptures authority on their existence but not their behavior? If the Bible is lying about their characteristics then how do you know it isnt lying about their existence?
logicalman? Do you even know what logic and reason is?
Davemustang2600 3 weeks ago
so how do you know what bloodline you come from then?
copperhairbelle 3 weeks ago
XTIANS AND THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY PRIMITIVE MINDS THAT ANTHROMORPHOCISED, ALL CREATOIONS OF GOD. THEY MADE AND GAVE HUMAN QUALITIES TO GOD, ANGELS, DEMONS ECT COS THEY CNT COMPREHEND GOD AS BEING NON HUMAN SHAPED
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
I think youre YT SN should be @Imanidiotman1
Davemustang2600 3 weeks ago
ANGELS HAVE NO FREE WILL , NOR NEED TO BE TESTED LIKE HUMANS. THEY HAVE NO GENDER, AND DO NOT HAVE SEX. THE HEAVENS WOULD NOT RUN IF THEY HAD FREE WILL, COS THEY WOULD BE LIKE HUMANS ARGUING, FIGHTING, LYING ECT ECT. THE BIBLE JUST TALKS OUT OF ITS ARSE. SAYING NEPHILIM ARE FROM ANGELS. AND THAT ANGELS REBELLED. GOD WOULD NOT BOTHER CREATING THEM
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1
Youre a dummy. Lucifer was an angel. His was the archangel over a third of the angels.
He HAD a free will. He made the decision to try and overthrow Gods throne.
The Watchers who were set in the heavenlies to watch the earth and mans comings and goings LEFT their OFFICE according to Jude and Peter and Enoch 3000 years before them. These angels made a DECISION to leave their jobposts and intermarry and intermix with mankind. Thats called FREEWILL.
Davemustang2600 3 weeks ago
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1tonykirk 3 weeks ago
See the mormons are taught as a result of the visions or wet dreams which ever you wish to call them of Joseph Smith who said satan doesnt exist and Lucifer and Jesus are brothers. And if youre a mormon male and you have 4 kids and bla bla bla bla...youll become a god of a planet and be given like 70 or so virgins to have sex with FOREVER! lol Thats mormonism in a nutshell.
Oh ya thats consequentially what Mit Romney believes it that makes anyone feel better!
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"Same thing Jesus did to His disciples in John before He went to the cross."
Are you referring to the passage of John 20:20-23? In this passage, Jesus appears to his disciples after His resurrection. He breathes on them and says "...receive the Holy Spirit.". Note that this happens AFTER the cross. Did you cheat on your seminary exam to get that theology degree? XD
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
I would however love to hear this crazy mormons expository supposition of Isaiah 14:12.
Gotta love mormons. I often ask 'Where do mormons come from?' How does on become mormon? Seriously? You have to get down on a pretty low rational plane of thinking. How do you get a person to think theyre going to inherit a planet with virgins theyre going to have sex with for eternity? And past that how do you convince that perpetual virginity is possible? lol wouldnt they cease to be virgins after...eh
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
Id like to draw everyones attention to Mr Swall who says Lucifer is actually the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14:12.
Ive asked Swalley 6 times now to tell me how this king of babylone got up into heaven to personally challenge God as ruler of the universe and then get cast back to earth?
This is the 7th time Ive brought it up. The poor idiot just keeps telling me to read the whole chapter. We were dissecting this chapter years ago. Theres no need to read what youve already taken apart.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
Reading some of these comments shows why it is so important to understand the Hebrew. Sons of God refers to men who served God and practiced Godliness in their living. Giants were tyrants and leaders, not literal giants. Mighty men is another term for them and the same is said of Nimrod, which means rebel.
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
No stupid. Sons of God refers to angels. Every place in the Bible you see the phrase 'Sons of God' It refers to angels.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 Ok, quote me some. Maybe I've missed it. Please include verse
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Why would I sing a song for a tone deaf mule?
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
The first part of Genesis 6:4 could have very well been worded as "During the time when the angels sought sexual relations with human women, gigantic creatures were prevalent upon the Earth...". Simply put, in Pre-Flood times, giant creatures (i.e. dinosaurs) walked the Earth. Giant humans probably also existed in greater numbers than at any other time in history. They were probably large for the same reason that the animals at that time were larger- double oxygen in the atmosphere.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
No that doesnt work. The context for what GIANT means is precisely laid out. The context is talking about 'mankind' not a general meaning like 'creatures' You have to ADD your own spin there to make that work and I wouldnt advise doing that with the Word of God.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
I understand creationism. But this simply isnt true given the context of how the word GIANTS is being used. Its SPECIFICALLY describing 'mankind' not ALL creatures. The world is NOT 6000 years old. The earth has many ages. Some of which are referred to in the Bible. Like when Isaiah talked about Lucifer exalting his throne after deceiving the nations to challenge God. This refers to a PreAdamic civilization. Lucifer ruled the earth and all its nations
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
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"The context for what GIANT means is precisely laid out. "
Genesis 6:4 says "...there were giants in the Earth in those days...". It never says that the giants were the direct product of a union between fallen angels and women. I am not denying the fact that this union probably did take place. It is logical, however, to assume that such an unholy union did produce superhuman, even freakish, creatures which were probably one reason God sent the Global Flood.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"This refers to a PreAdamic civilization..."
If God created Adam as the first man, then why and how could there have been any human beings before him? Adam was the first man, the first human being before any other. Peace
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
No the Bible doenst say ANYWHERE that Adam was the first man. It says he was the first man CREATED in GODS IMAGE. That Image being His Righteousness before God based on worship through His own personal knowledge and experience with God.
Thats why Jesus is called the 2nd Adam. Because he restored that Righteousness the first ADAM (not the first man) lost when he sinned against God.
The Bible describes Lucifer as leading NATIONS BEFORE he fell.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"No the Bible doenst say ANYWHERE that Adam was the first man. It says he was the first man CREATED in GODS IMAGE."
"In the beginning..."- Gen. chapter 1
How far back before 'the beginning' does one have to go before it's no longer 'the beginning'? LOL Just a thought. Peace
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Dude i have a Theology degree. This isnt the lunchroom cafeteria for the 8th grade class.
Everything youre saying is based on what you perceive Truth is apart from the Word of God. Thats called Idolatry.
The beginning? There actually is no beginning. God didnt begin nor will He end. So talking about the beginning in some sense that youre going to try and make logical attributes for is stupid. Because its meaningless to God.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
God bless you and your theology degree. I just happen to believe that, in addition to being written for scholars who like to probe things further, the Bible was also written for the common man to understand without having to 'read into'. Peace
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 Is. 14:12 You who weakened the nations! Notice there is no "before he fell" here. Isaiah is talking to the king of Babylon.
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Isaiah 14:12
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world.
See that? The prophet Isaiah is talking about Lucifer and his FORMER greatness and how he was thrown down to the earth and destroyed the nations of the world.
Ok this didnt happen between Genesis and Isaiah. It happened before.
Gen 1:2
2 Now the earth was formless and empty.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 Isaiah was talking about the king of Babylon not some spiritual entity which may or may not be literal, commonly called Lucifer. That "term" is only used once in the Bible and never refers to some mystical spiritual entity. Read the whole chapter then tell me what you think. Also, notice the reference of being a man in that messege to the king and not anything else....
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
HAHA Where do you come from? Ok dummy. O STAR OF THE MORNING! Thats what Lucifer was called. He was called the star of the morning! The Latin word comes from this. It why we called him Lucifer! Whats that stupid feel like? Im bettin it hurts but ya get used to it lol
And tell me stupid? How did the King of Babylon get into heaven to be thrown? lol
From now I will not respond to your messages. I will only laugh at them.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Im still waiting? How did the King of Babylon get into heaven to be cast down to the earth? lol And how did the King of Babylon destroy the nations of the world? And what magic did this King use to levitate himself from his throne to approach the throne of God and challenge him with a 1/3 of the angels in heaven? lol
Ya. You got more than a theology problem lol
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 I tried! Enjoy that degree!
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Youre a doofas. You tried what? LOL What is it you tried exactly? To show the world what an idiot you are? Consider yourself A SUCCESS!
Again how did King of Babylon get into heaven to be cast down to earth?
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 If you have read the whole chapter and still don't understand who the messeges is for than there's nothing more I can say. But I wish you well. Keep God first always brother, the rest is just details.
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Shut up stupid.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
If you held keeping God first as an absolute standard you would put His Word first which you do not. You destroy it and minimize to suit your feelings and religious investments.
You and I do not serve the same God therefore I am not your brother. You serve deception therefore your master is he who deceives not He Who leads into Truth.
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MrSwall24 1 month ago
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@Davemustang2600 I'm sorry, you just don't know me well enough to conclude that. But you're right. We don't serve the same God. My Lord would not permit me to degrade others as you have done. God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. I don't have a degree, just a heart for God and truth, and an openness to be proven wrong. I desire truth not my feelings or religous investments. I have none
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Dude. Youre wasting your breathe. Those Who are begotten of God know the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God LEADS into ALL TRUTH. If you were begotten of God then it wouldnt be possible that you could be deceived to this agree. The Holy Spirits number 1 office is to REVEAL the Word of God. The Word of God is only hidden to those who are cut-off from the Spirit of God.
Each post you left here is nothing more than a veil of deception. This isnt a game.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Everything Ive posted agrees with the what is contextually present in the Word of God from cover to cover. Nothing you said agrees with Scripture. NOTHING!
As i said deceived fool! If the Babylonian King is who Isaiah is speaking to then HOW DID HE GET INTO HEAVEN TO BE CAST BACK TO EARTH!!!???
There isnt a single precedence for anything like this in Scripture before or after!
Every Bible scholar on planet earth knows Lucifer is who Isaiah is referring to.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Ya know? You sound like a nutty mormon. LOL Are you seriously Mormon? Bwahahaha.
That explains everything. And like most mormons you have no idea what youre really apart of.
Jesus is the only way to the Father. There is no other way to salvation. Joseph Smith was a kid who had a wet dream and began a religion out of it not even 200 years ago.
Ya sorry. Those magic panties youve got on burn in hell just like everything does.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Hey ding dong Mormon!~
Heres Isaiah 14:12 in the King James 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Whats that name mentioned there doofas? Can ya read? Are ya blind? Whos name is that? LUCIFER! LUCIFER! LUCIFER!
Ok dummy. Who is deceived? Who is accepting what is stated and who is distorting it?
It says LUCIFER! He was cast out of heaven! Not a freakin king!
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Isaiah 14: 16 and 17
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the Him that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ya no king of Babylon or other nation EVER accomplished this. Not even Rome!
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600 This is my last post to you so listen up. The early Jews personified that force within man that opposed the will of God (satan,devil =adversary or opposer) for poetic purpose. It was how they constucted their writings. In Revelation the Dragon is refered back to the devil and satan and the serpant, which means in Hebrew whisper or hiss not literal snake. Never does it refer to lucifer. Use more Hebrew and Greek translation and less English when studying.
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24 Oh, and the red dragon is a reference of King Herod. He was an Edomite. Edom means red. And remember, The scribtures were written to Jews not Americans, so you have to read it like a Jew, understanding their beliefs. Early Jews ,I mean. And study more world history. It'll help greatly in understanding things like why the king of Babylon fits perfectly. Throw your degree away. It didn't help you one bit. One day you will understand if you drop that pride and stay a constant student.
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Pride? LOL Heres what youre saying without meaning to. You acknowledge I know what Im talkin about and you dont. It makes you feel less than which it should. But instead of answering that with a hunger for real knowledge you answer it like a 3 year old reaching back for some more warm milk.
You are an ignorant fool. Most likely you will die an ignorant fool.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
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@Davemustang2600
Also, the term 'void' indicates a lack of something. It means 'vacuum' or 'withoutness'. A certain thing, broken down into smaller pieces, does not make it void. Case closed.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Giants were the result of a union between angels and women. The women gave birth to hybrid creatures that grew to such a height that the 12 spies returned from Canaan saying 'We are grasshoppers before them' Average height was probably 5.9 or 5.10.
Carbon dating isnt 100 percent but its close. The only way to bridge the gaps between what we dont know, what the Bible says, and what we find in the dirt is to know the WHOLE story which we will not.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
TPTB don't want anyone to know the true history of this planet, because it conforms to the Bible. Especially to the Book of Enoch, which the Pope way back when had removed. If people knew the real story; plans for worldwide enslavement of the human race by the Illuminati would be much harder for them to achieve. Wake up people before it's too late. All that you think you know is an illusion created by people with an evil purpose. It'll all be over soon. Ask Christ Jesus into your heart now!!!
marydunn41 1 month ago
the biggest trick of the devil is too fool ppl into thinking hes not real, that person is an easy target cause hes already fooled.
mroutsyder1 1 month ago
this world is a battle front, angels can change into any form they need. demons are real and if u dont think so ur blind.
mroutsyder1 1 month ago
You sound like a slow retard...thumbs down everyone!
duski0069 1 month ago
@gregrutz Lucifer was a angel and God describes him being made out of beautiful jewels when he was still in heaven, he didn't mention anything about wings.
skategoddess123 1 month ago
Only giants I seen are the blacks and inbred whites on Basketball teams
demarcos69 1 month ago
everything was bigger--- like the dinosaurs. the atmosphere was different
westchesterny 1 month ago
@westchesterny The dinosaurs stopped making fossils 65 million years ago.
gregrutz 1 month ago
You see, Adam was given the 'Holy Spirit' just like us when we accept Christ. Adam was saved before he sinned. But had relinquished that to the snake by eating from the tree of knowledge.. Jesus had to correct that and reverse what had been done. Adam was given the amazing gift of eternal life (Holy Spirit) long before Jesus came to give it to mankind once again.
Peaceryder 1 month ago
It is by the blood of Jesus that God doesn't see our sins. It is by the spirit that we're saved, not by flesh... Romans 6-8 is very clear about this.
Peaceryder 1 month ago
We don't go to Heaven because our physical bodies are the same as God. We go to Heaven because Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit which is His image.
Peaceryder 1 month ago
The spiritual realm exists before the physical. Mark 16:12. 'Afterward Jesus appeared in a 'different' form to two of them while they were walking in the country. Notice He had a form... a spiritual body of 'Flesh and bone' but not of blood. It's all in the Bible! He gave us His spirit and we have a spirit body in Heaven. Scripture talks about this... Checkout - 2 Corinthians 5 for some answers. Our flesh is dead to us... Checkout Romans.
Peaceryder 1 month ago
The Bible talks about Goliath's brothers having six fingers. Coincidentally David, Jesus's line slayed the giant and his four brothers who were mutants. And we are created in God's image, yes. But you have to first realize that when this scripture was 'written' God was a 'Spirit' being, not of flesh. The Hebrew word for breath is spirit. In the beginning God breathed a breath into Adam and he was alive. We are created in the image of God's spirit. God is a spirit being until Jesus came.
Peaceryder 1 month ago
this is all conjecture, it can't be proven by ANYONE so arguing about it is pointless.
SyrinxPriestOf 1 month ago 2
@SyrinxPriestOf can you deny the skeletons, cities, artifacts, legends, mythologies, and even the Lord's words?
EndeavorFreedom 1 month ago
@EndeavorFreedom Show me proof, REAL PROOF again not conjecture. To claim the bible, or the book of Enoch is proof of Giants is to say the Hindu Vedas' claims of UFO's are proof of UFO's, wishful thinking
SyrinxPriestOf 1 month ago
@EndeavorFreedom ''legends, mythologies and the Lord's word''?
Try reading a science book. Geology proves the earth is old and there is still no evidence for a global flood.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz ur a dick
JamesAlan051 1 month ago
@JamesAlan051 You like dicks?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz no I dont like you
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@EndeavorFreedom YES, we can deny the skeletons, cities, artifacts, legends, mythologies, and even the Bible.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@EndeavorFreedom Yes, he can deny mythologies, just like you deny the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation and transitional fossils.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz
There are no transitional fossils ya idiot. Not a SINGLE ONE has EVER been found!
Top evolutionists admit THIS is the main problem with the theory of evolution. No TRUE transitionary fossils exists. As it appears in the fossil record you depending on how you look at it you see 2 things. 1. Gigantic leaps in evolution with no transitions in between 2. Millions of species appearing out of nowhere.
Ive researched this. This is the consensus of your top evolutionists.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@gregrutz
If evolution is TRULY small changes that take place over millions of years 3 problems!
1. You dont see those small changes taking place. Things appear and they disappear from and to nowhere.
2. The world environment hasnt changed drastically enough to warrant such bizarre changes from trilobytes to mankind.
3. Evolution is a response of creatures keeping up step with physical nature. Transitions periods are vulnerable periods. Wouldve never made it to a beneficial state.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@EndeavorFreedom
Dummy you have no respect for the Lords words.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SyrinxPriestOf Wow, since when are theories or apparent evidences dismissed because someone claims they can't be "proven"? It can take weeks, months or even years to deem something as fact or fiction. I have not made any conclusions but being closed minded to an intelligent proposition is NOT pointless ever!
jamieseiple 1 month ago
@SyrinxPriestOf Scientific Evidence for a Worldwide Flood
JamesAlan051 1 month ago
ILL BE VERY HAPPY WHEN THE EVIL IS GONE FROM THIS EARTH
stevenhenson 1 month ago
Angels dont look like us, God created Man in his image not angels they look totally different from us.
skategoddess123 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 We are the angels in fallen state, are they not also the sons of God? - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
[7] But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Ps 82
EndeavorFreedom 1 month ago
@skategoddess123
KJV Bible states: Gen1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..."
Each spirit" "angel" "son of God" has their own unique image and that image was created in the flesh, example of this truth is that we each have unique fingerprints, no two are the same, just as no two DNA is the same, we are all Unique in the flesh, just as we were created unique in the spirit.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 Please tell us what an angel looks like. Have you seen many of them?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz Me personally, i've seen demons, not angels I just go by what I read in the bible about the angels my mom sees both and my sisters and my dad and I go by what they describe too. They sometimes be little balls of light or bigger..
skategoddess123 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 Maybe you are delusional and should seek help.
All angels are big, all white females with long hair and wings so they can fly like the monkeys in the Wizard of Oz.
gregrutz 1 month ago
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@gregrutz @gregrutz You are just one out of many that will find out soon that this stuff is not a joke. There are soo many signs in the natural world that things are going downhill because people are letting satan have his way, and people don't want to believe in anything except for what a scientist says like they are Gods or something. Like for example, you can't see gravity, but you swear you know it's real because a SCIENTIST SAID so.
skategoddess123 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 And what do angles look like? Why do they need wings?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 Come' Let us make man, IN our Image" and in our Likeness"
correct?
Snowman374th 1 month ago
@Snowman374th Correct!
skategoddess123 1 month ago
@skategoddess123 Correct, angels are not like us. We are tetrapods, 4 limbs.
Angels have 6 limbs. Why do angels have wings?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@skategoddess123
His Image doesnt refer to our physical image it refers to the fact that God is Spirit. We were given spirits. Nothing else in creation has a spirit but man. Thats what that means. Remember the Bible is a Spiritual book not a natural one. You have to discern things spiritually not rationalize them naturally.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"Remember the Bible is a Spiritual book not a natural one. You have to discern things spiritually not rationalize them naturally."
Yes, this is the very groundwork for our discussion. Neither of us denies the existence of angels, creation, the spiritual nature of man, or the fact of the Flood. However, the circumstances and evidences surrounding the existence of human and animal giants in pre-ancient times is real, scientifically sound material. Peace
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Ya dude. I never said they werent. Im simply saying that Giant creatures did not exist during the dispensation of man created in Gods Image. Read Gen 1. Theres two events taking place. 1. Creation of the universe. 2. Reforming of the earth.
Why was the earth without void? God doesnt create things without void. It was without void because the battle between Lucifer and a 3rd of the angels made it that way.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Actually I meant God doesnt create things VOID.
Look at that verse 'NOW let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Curious thing about that is it leads me to believe there were 'men' previously created that were not made in the Image of God. Thats why we find all these different looking ape/human skeletons that are a million years old. This goes back to a time Lucifer ruled the earth with his throne here thats why when he left it he went UP an challenged God.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"Thats why we find all these different looking ape/human skeletons that are a million years old."
The belief in some sort of ape/human hybrid hidden within the pages of Genesis is simply a byproduct of the theory of Evolution. The Lord doesn't need practice in order to make something perfect. In other words, He did not require some trial & error procedure in order to get right the creation of a being made after His likeness and image. He is perfect.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Dummy. I didnt say he needed practice. And youre ignoring the Word of God. Your ignoring what IT SAYS not me. I didnt say Lucifer ruled nations before our time ISAIAH DID!~ I didnt say NOW lets make man IN OUR IMAGE! God said that!
Youre upholding some romantic idea about Gods perfection and youre a pea brain. You have no idea what perfection where God is concerned means.
Your statement is one of Idolatry not Truth You want to make God in your image
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
What are you 12? What are you even talking about? lol
Where does God needing practice come into this?
I didnt say Lucifer ruled the nations!~ The Bible did! I didnt say Lucifer destroyed ALL nations from the face of the earth! The Bible did!
So you arent arguing with me. Youre arguing with the Word of God.
What youre doing is nothing more than idolatry. Youre trying to make sure God retains the image you and your religion has created for Him.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
In Genesis. God calls everything He creates 'GOOD' He calls nothing 'PERFECT'
Find me on instance where God made something in creation and called it 'PERFECT'
No, he called it 'GOOD' And if you look up that word in the Hebrew it simply means it PLEASED HIM.
Okay. God didnt set out to make anything PERFECT. It simply PLEASED HIM.
Again, youre making God into something you feel comfortable about Him being but is contrary to the Word of God.
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@Davemustang2600
"No, he called it 'GOOD' And if you look up that word in the Hebrew it simply means it PLEASED HIM."
So it pleased an All-Knowing, Benevolent being to produce ape/human hybrids dying like flies throughout eons of ages and natural selection (death) to produce the first 'man'? Evolution-"Death brought man into the world". Christianity- "Man brought death into the world".
"For as IN ADAM ALL DIE , even so in Christ shall all be made alive ."- 1 Cor. 15:22
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
No we find all these strange looking skeletons that arent ape or human is because these were 'men' that were created in a different image than Adam. I also believe Lucifer deceived them with graven images. We're unearthing temples now that pre date Sumeria. We have no idea who the people were or anything. But these temples have carving and statues of animals because they worshiped them. I think thats why God says HAVE NO GRAVEN IMAGE.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"No we find all these strange looking skeletons that arent ape or human is because these were 'men' that were created in a different image than Adam."
Skeletons that men of antiquity were calling 'the missing link' are now called for what they are by the more astute scientists of our day- different species' of apes. Robust human skeletons with skulls having sloped brows are believed by Creationists to be those of long-lived men who thrived after the Flood.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Thats absolute stupidity. Creationists have repeated the same problem evolutionists created which is distorting history and evidence to fit a desired outcome.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
The world is ancient. Men are babies on this planet. Thats the only explanation. And its sprinkled throughout the Word of God were just not intelligent enough to look at it.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122 I agree. However, books written, like, Book of Enoch, pre-date the theory of evolution. Stories like these are a byproduct of man's creativity. Look at the Greeks for instance, where they had tells of half man half horse and so on... : )
MrSwall24 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
No dummy. The Book of Enoch predates Moses Torah. It was began by Enoch and completed by Noah because God took Enoch.
You have no right to speak on these matters. Youre an ignornat fool.
Tell me. How did the king of babylon get up into heaven to get cast down to earth?
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
While Genesis 6:4 does give very real license for even the most down-to-earth Christian to believe that unholy unions between angels and women produced 'monsters', yes there still does have to be a line drawn between fantasy and reality.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
The Book of Enoch goes into great detail. The Ecumenical council of fools left it out because they didnt want a book included in the Bible that talked about angels and women having sex. This is the ONLY reason Enoch was not included in Scripture.
The Book of Enoch is referred to throughout the Bible. I included one that Jude made.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@MrSwall24
Are you going to explain how the King of Babylon got into heaven to challenge God and then got cast down to earth without splattering into a million pieces?
Maybe you ll just accept your status as ignorant fool and set yourself about to change it,
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"This is the ONLY reason Enoch was not included in Scripture."
One particular book which I find was curiously left out of Scripture was the tale of Bel and the Dragon. As for the Book of Enoch, it is a little on the far-fetched side and isn't pertinent. But 'Bel and the Dragon' could have been a key instrument in preventing the spread of the theory of Evolution, seeing that the 'dragon' mentioned in the tale was apparently Nebachudnezzar's pet dinosaur.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Dude what are you talking about? Bel and the Dragon? Dude? Okay you realize that narrative is ONLY in the Greek Septuagint? Its only recognized as canonical by the catholic church which should immediately tell you something.
The Scriptures which Jesus would have used which were Hebrew texts did not have this story.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
So 'Bel and the Dragon' has no original Hebrew text? Who has proven this and how? Nevertheless, it was neither pertinent to an overall understanding of the Word nor was it necessary in understanding the Gospel. So, it was omitted from the final version of the Holy Scriptures we possess today.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
It didnt exist in the Hebrew Sept. Many things were left out that werent considered Scripture.
Scripture must contain doctrine and prophecy to be considered Scripture.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
Past my bedtime. Peace
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
wimp
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
Heres what Isaiah said a few verses later
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this He that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Notice that Isaiah is saying that Lucifer MADE the WORLD AS A WILDERNESS?
What did Genesis 1 say? The earth was shapeless? Without form?
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
If the Earth had been destroyed into billions of pieces in some war initiated by the fallen angels, then that means it would still exist in a certain form- albeit in billions of little pieces. Things in the physical realm don't just exist without form. If they exist, then they have a certain shape and form. To say that the Earth was without shape and form means that it wasn't created yet- not that it was created and was floating about in a billion pieces.
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
No the Bible doesnt say the earth was in a billion little pieces.
Again youre arguing with the Bible not me.
Heres what you said
'Things in the physical realm don't just exist without form. If they exist, then they have a certain shape and form'
Genesis was written in ancient Hebrew. The word VOID? It means empty. How can an earth which doesnt exist be empty? You should immediately begin to change your line of thinking when exposed to Truth.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
The Bible doesnt say it was in a million pieces. Just that it was without void meaning empty. It was without form meaning it was desolate.
You understand that the mintue the Subject of a thing is inserted in language its because it ALREADY EXISTS. You cannot describe something that doesnt exist.
Secondly, if the earth had not been created yet thered be no reason to say it had no form would there? How many other things were described this way? 0!
Davemustang2600 1 month ago
@Davemustang2600
"You cannot describe something that doesnt exist."
Um, yeah you can. It's how childrens' books are written, for the most part. Imagination. Works for movies and adult fiction books also. LOL
SylentIntensity1122 1 month ago
@SylentIntensity1122
You really comparing the Word of God to a childrens book? Science fiction?
How can you be this stupid and have a heartbeat?
When Moses wrote 'The earth was void and without form' He was describing the earth as it WAS at that POINT IN TIME.
Did ya fail 3rd grade English?
The earth/ SUBJECT was/PREDICATE
Just from a completely linguistic standpoint THE EARTH WAS is the same thing as saying THE EARTH IS. Only difference is past/present tense.
Davemustang2600 1 month ago