Integral Politics: Change You Can Breathe Into

[Meeks861]

@presentlightoftruth Do you think Jesus had a degree? Doubtful but I guess he didnt need one in order for you to trust in his words or ideas. We check the validity of what others say based upon our own working understanding of the universe in which we all reside. Your understanding of things is clearly primitive as the logic of your thought demonstrates, of course you cant see this, and I am sure that my logic appears the same way to you lol.

[Meeks861]

@presentlightoftruth The divorce rate in the U.S. is extremely high, and research suggests that 66% of all divorced couples are childless. Maybe this is due to the fact that after children their is a higher sense of devotion to the relationship. But who is Ken harming by not having children? I dont see the harm or immorality in being without a child. Lastly, the worth of a mans knowledge is not measured by some paper proclamation, it is measured by his knowledge alone.

[LooksAeterna]

Ever since his books are known to be read by the likes of this crook Clinton it seems to have been impossible for "integralists" to question whether this staged farce of party politics is for real at all and who is really pulling the strings.

Insofar as there is no radical questioning of this kind, all of this theory is for the birds, or rather another tool for the powers that be.

[Meeks861]

@LooksAeterna Yes the powers that be are using this as a tool, but the science of spiral dynamics is legitimate non the less. The issue we must address is who is using it and for what ends. I think that people all around the world are doing whats right in their own eyes and hence all of the issues we see today, but what are the issues? And how must we behave or act in order to solve our human problems? Problems and the solutions to them are what matter most, in my humble opinion of course.

[biocybernaut]

that's exactly the point: what kind of change are you talking about? people bought into the obama lies cause they've heard the word change. but it's reallly meaningless if you're not specific about it. so obama has come to change things for the worse, not for the better. I suggest you understand the alien presence on this planet at this time!

[rhinohippo]

globalists suck

[S2Cents]

I'm no fan of the thinker Zizek but this stuff here I think perfectly illustrates his point about the dangers of Eastern mysticism and thought, or specifically it's coaptation in the west.

Be skeptical and critical. We needn't agree with anyone.

[hyperseauton]

Wilber is not a Western or Easter thinker nor mystic, but all of those. Wilber does not co-adapt but integrate, really realizing all of these aspects of us, in us.

I agree with being skeptical and critical.

'We needn't agree with anyone."

No, but once you do you just want to. Focus your attention on psychodynamic aspects and you will notice growth.

peace.

[rhinohippo]

what a crock, these suggestions will allow fascism to ruin us even more

[S2Cents]

It is a crock. Wilber is rightwing. Or just an asshole, centrist. To say that Obama is "integral" because he sells out progressives, changes his positions, BECOMES MORE CONSERVATIVE to me means that being "integral" is bullshit.

Hmmmm, seems lots of politicians become more integral after wining the primaries.

But for us voters to be integral we should not be liberal, clearly. Or progressive if you prefer that term. That's clear enough.

[danger0usknowledge]

Obama is as close as you will get to

integral way. He will avoid prosecution

of neocons as long as republicans vote

his way but as soon as the statute of

limitations runs out & Cheney & Feith

can't be prosecuted the democrats

better have those 60 votes. But you have

your democratic "Bush Dogs" or "blue dogs" whose leader Rahm Emanuel is now Obama's chief of staff... which is better than majority leader. Obama inherited the worst mess since 1873 & the de facto President Cheney is responsible.

[NerdFangs]

cheney and obama are cousins. search it on youtube, they both admitted it in interviews

[danger0usknowledge]

Old news. As distant as cousins can be. The de

facto Pres. Cheney saw the meltdown coming

in June of 2006 when he got Paulson from Goldman Sachs.He then sat back & watched "the beast",

his govn't, drown just like his party said they would. This is why the RNC hired Palin

to be VP to a 72 YO McCain. They conceded

the election to Obama & left him with 2 options

slim & none. Obama cannot save the economy.

Now the RNC hires Beck, Fox & Malkin

tea bagging as unemployment rises & the trap

is set.

[TheObnubilators]

i would call this half of a great idea

[MaBu888]

Frank Visser agrees.

[TheObnubilators]

thanks a lot for bringing up his name. I was at this meetup yesterday where a lady kept on telling me about him. But I thought she said vista. The guy who started all the meetups, in europe right?

[TheObnubilators]

dude the girl I met was the one interviewing with him. her name was randi, i recognized her voice. that's so fricken awesome!!!!

[TheObnubilators]

in the one youtube video when you search him. i'm like soooo taken aback

[woolfl]

Poor work

[matt0218]

This is my other Youtube account.I just realized. Sorry about the confusion on the reply.

Cya

[vindactive]

How convenient to speculate Obama's win two weeks prior to the election. Sorry, integral naked, but who DIDN'T know he was going to win?

Not to mention you were so fond of emphasizing a republican win about a year ago.

I found that very weak. Especially for a person who spent a life time studying social trends and someone I very much respect.

Other than that, the informed decision making process was very well done; but far too little FAR too late. But that aside.

[vindactive]

Not to mention you were so fond of emphasizing a republican win about a year ago.

edt: back in may

[IntegralNaked]

Um, who exactly are you addressing this to? Who is "Integral Naked"? Ken Wilber? The authors of this video? There is no single person dominating the political opinions of Integral Naked or Integral Life, so i am not sure who your criticisms are addressed to. And who exactly was "fond of emphasizing a republican win" back in May?! I can't remember a single time Ken or anyone in IN or IL claiming such a black-and-white, partisan bias.... So who exactly are you talking to?

[matt0218]

Yes, Ken Wilber and Integral Naked. Obvioulsy there has to be SOME cohesion or consensus between the indviduals of Integral Naked and Ken Wilber and the Videos you release. For example, you obviously wouldn't let a video out condemning all homosexuals. 

Even so, irrespective to the above, he [ken] did express a Republican win back in may - Or at least the VIDEO was released back in may - in a video during a lecture/speech/workshop/etc.

[matt0218]

I did say he emphasized a republican win. I wasn't saying he WANTED a republican win. I'm saying it was his prediction.

Which is fine, he was simply wrong.

And then to have this video released, two weeks prior to the election. It seemed a bit fickle, when comparing the two. Yes, ken and all the people of IN/IL are seperate people with individual views. But they share the same banner/logo. So, again, there obviously has to be SOME cohesion between IN/IL/KW and the videos released.

[TheObnubilators]

some cohesion yes. honestly more than I would like sometimes. Latley I've been so many "wilberists" out there, quoting him word for word, and not disagreeing.

Here's one thing I hate. You ever open up a What is Enlightenment Mag. and read the dialogs between Ken and Andrew Cohen? You can find the word "right" in it more than any other word, guaranteed.

[matt0218]

@IntegralNaked Great response. Figures when faced with direct criticism and evidence based claims you run away.

[juanloprada]

juajuajua... everything is in fire. I can smell the panic. OBAMA... pufffff don´t dream

[greenalphabet]

Lets say there are two parts of content, word content and aesthetic content which is everything else (for the purposes of this post). There is some debate here on the qualitative aesthetics, which ineluctably changes content more, or less depending where one arbitrarily chooses their seat of perception. What's interesting is the "word content" changes the qualitative aesthetics as much as the qualitative aesthetics change the word content. The message is a whole message.Thanks for sharing.

[sacca7]

I guess everyone needs to advertise, and this was a wishy-washy ad at best.

And, no, both parties are not "intent on blaming the other." In Obama's recent 1/2 hour info-mercial there was no mention of the Republicans or McCain.

[odouglasj]

I think this is terrific. I've been looking into Integral concepts and this introduction to the presentations helps me to understand how those concepts can be applied to practical, political reality.

[MaBu888]

I agree, but it sounds cheesy /jk.:) But it must sound to people in any way for reasons we agree on.

[DustTown]

the audience is certainly not those who have been involved in Integral for a long time. Obviously aimed for introduction--I just wonder just how much can you condense integral without misleading the message?

[laroixhaos]

wow,

this was embarrassing.

as much as i love ken wilber & friends, this infomercial really makes clear who the target audience is.

it's certainly not me.

looks like you guys are taking queues from scientology now.

i'd better unsubscribe before i read too much into this and end up rejecting all things integral.

[AragornIsStrider]

I'm afraid I don't see the Scientology parallels. Could you enlighten us, please?

[laroixhaos]

if you're serious rather than just trying to be argumentative, check out the scientology channel here on youtube.

i'm not talking about the practices; i'm talking about the marketing strategy.

middle-upper class, suburban, sterile america.

actually, scientology has far better infomercials, but many of them have a parallel style.

[MaBu888]

That's just an infomercial. The rest of this in the links was more informative and concise and several times less vague.

[fulford529]

This was awesome!! Thank you!

[karylm23]

Thank you for posting this; this is exactly what we need right now; a way to move above the fray and see both sides.