You understand my comparison to a steam engine and coal as it "coal" is 95% the source of are power from stations but your moving one form of compression to power another you talk off alternatives to this solar geothermal ect but that wasnt the point i was trying to make .
@dickiedavies64 I understand your point completely. But my point is that in this method of storing energy either by compressed air or by electricity, you can derive the electrical power using alternative methods. With an internal combustion engine, you just use up the energy from the fuel immediately by burning it. There is no storage of energy and using it later in a gas engine. Yes today, most of the electricity is produced by coal. Tomorrow... who knows?
Compressors big enough to power a engine of that size blowoff with too much force for the intake to use, therefore wasting a lot of said energy. This could be easily overcome with some refinement. The manufacturers prey that people don't know about these things, so they'll never really understand how the application could be undertaken.
Obviously the car would compress the air itself. You wouldnt be buying compressed air from a power station, thats just retarded> Technology like this already exists, its called the diesel engine. The diesel runs on compression rather than combustion. So yes it is possible to run a diesel on compressed air. The problem lies in reducing the blowoff the compressor valve has when its released.
Your assessment of how a diesel engine works is somewhat flawed. Diesel and gasoline engines are both internal combustion engines. In gasoline engines the air/fuel mixture is ignited by an electrical spark, while in the diesel engine the fuel is ignited by the heat generated by compressing the air. Both rely on the expansion of the gases produced by the burning fuel. The motor in the air car uses compressed air itself to generate motion. Somewhat akin to a steam engine.
yer but unlike a petrol engine, the air compression is far greater in a diesel. this expanding air pressure could be used rather than combustable vapours.
@dickiedavies64 No need to use coal. The compressed air is just a means of storing energy ,somewhat like a battery. You could use hydro-electricity, solar, wind, or geothermal to generate the electricity to run the compressors.
This video was posted Oct 2007, so when at 4:53 the commentator says that the cars should be on sale by "next June", he is referring to June 2008.
Just like all of their many other announced introduction dates, MDI obviously didn't meet it.
MDI has never let an independent journalist actually test the operating range of their air cars. The only published test showed the MDI air car running out of air after only 7.22km or 4.5 miles.
instead of using electricity to produce compressed air to run a complicated rotary engine with hundreds of moving parts that could break, why not use an electric motor? way more efficient i think
Electric motors are good, but we still have to generate electricity to charge the batteries. What we need is a "new" battery. Today's electrical storage cells are still quite inefficient and heavy. The Aussie rotary air motor is very simple (very few moving parts)and very light weight. Compressed air is a bit heavy, but the benefit is that the more you use, the lighter the tank gets. Both pros and cons with both systems (electric or air)
you sir no nothing. what about the batteries for a electric car? what about the 4 hour charge time for like 100km unlike this air car it takes 3 minutes to fill per 200km at any service station with a air compresser u would use to fill ur tires with.
everytime you go from one energy-carrier to another, you have loss. compressed air is an energy storage like a battery. the problem with the air is that you have one more step on the way from the power plant to your car.
power plant --> compressor --> Air-Tank
power plant --> battery
in addition to tha you have an inefficient complicated rotary engine.
hey ever thought of having a solar powerd compresor running the air tank and off a system of batteries in the car 2 run the car almost indefinantly u could extend batteries and conect a dc converter so the batteries can refill of the grids electric on poor days.....thc ...rev...Z-Key
excellent idea. we need to figure out how compressed air can do other industrial jobs that currently require petroleum... what about the manufacture of the metal used to build the engines and the cars for example...
a person like myself with a mind for engineering i am inlove with the idea and no doubt this is the future. However it must be noted that oil companies are world wide multi billion dollar organisations and like in past times when a source of power opposing the use of oil pops up, they simply buy the rights and shelf it. Otherwise brilliant idea!
This is the Future! make no mistake. with Oil running out fast, and most other technologies Hybrids etc, frankly hopeless. There is a way to run this vehicle totaly free and totaly green, burning nothing! totaly carbon zero.
Not only that, the same technology can be used to power much of industry. tell everyone about it. The air car needs to be taken seriously by goverments and manufacturers all over the globe. Not just India, Brazil etc. Western goverments take note.. this is it!
And the beauty part of it all is that the air pump runs on electricity which can be made dozens of ways without using carbon based fuels. I would like to see the French design vehicle with the Aussie engine.
You understand my comparison to a steam engine and coal as it "coal" is 95% the source of are power from stations but your moving one form of compression to power another you talk off alternatives to this solar geothermal ect but that wasnt the point i was trying to make .
dickiedavies64 10 months ago
@dickiedavies64 I understand your point completely. But my point is that in this method of storing energy either by compressed air or by electricity, you can derive the electrical power using alternative methods. With an internal combustion engine, you just use up the energy from the fuel immediately by burning it. There is no storage of energy and using it later in a gas engine. Yes today, most of the electricity is produced by coal. Tomorrow... who knows?
nanabijou62 10 months ago
This is a wonderful invention
myguitardidyermom12 1 year ago
Compressors big enough to power a engine of that size blowoff with too much force for the intake to use, therefore wasting a lot of said energy. This could be easily overcome with some refinement. The manufacturers prey that people don't know about these things, so they'll never really understand how the application could be undertaken.
EnemyHero182 2 years ago
Obviously the car would compress the air itself. You wouldnt be buying compressed air from a power station, thats just retarded> Technology like this already exists, its called the diesel engine. The diesel runs on compression rather than combustion. So yes it is possible to run a diesel on compressed air. The problem lies in reducing the blowoff the compressor valve has when its released.
EnemyHero182 2 years ago
Your assessment of how a diesel engine works is somewhat flawed. Diesel and gasoline engines are both internal combustion engines. In gasoline engines the air/fuel mixture is ignited by an electrical spark, while in the diesel engine the fuel is ignited by the heat generated by compressing the air. Both rely on the expansion of the gases produced by the burning fuel. The motor in the air car uses compressed air itself to generate motion. Somewhat akin to a steam engine.
nanabijou62 2 years ago
yer but unlike a petrol engine, the air compression is far greater in a diesel. this expanding air pressure could be used rather than combustable vapours.
EnemyHero182 2 years ago
@nanabijou62 Burning of fuel to make steam pressure what fossil fuel is used to create the air pressure needed to run this motor, Coal again.
dickiedavies64 10 months ago
@dickiedavies64 No need to use coal. The compressed air is just a means of storing energy ,somewhat like a battery. You could use hydro-electricity, solar, wind, or geothermal to generate the electricity to run the compressors.
nanabijou62 10 months ago
This video was posted Oct 2007, so when at 4:53 the commentator says that the cars should be on sale by "next June", he is referring to June 2008.
Just like all of their many other announced introduction dates, MDI obviously didn't meet it.
MDI has never let an independent journalist actually test the operating range of their air cars. The only published test showed the MDI air car running out of air after only 7.22km or 4.5 miles.
Charlieutube99 2 years ago 2
new air engine design.
TommeyLeeReed 3 years ago
instead of using electricity to produce compressed air to run a complicated rotary engine with hundreds of moving parts that could break, why not use an electric motor? way more efficient i think
jogeneer 3 years ago
Electric motors are good, but we still have to generate electricity to charge the batteries. What we need is a "new" battery. Today's electrical storage cells are still quite inefficient and heavy. The Aussie rotary air motor is very simple (very few moving parts)and very light weight. Compressed air is a bit heavy, but the benefit is that the more you use, the lighter the tank gets. Both pros and cons with both systems (electric or air)
nanabijou62 3 years ago
you sir no nothing. what about the batteries for a electric car? what about the 4 hour charge time for like 100km unlike this air car it takes 3 minutes to fill per 200km at any service station with a air compresser u would use to fill ur tires with.
Ralphypwns 3 years ago
everytime you go from one energy-carrier to another, you have loss. compressed air is an energy storage like a battery. the problem with the air is that you have one more step on the way from the power plant to your car.
power plant --> compressor --> Air-Tank
power plant --> battery
in addition to tha you have an inefficient complicated rotary engine.
jogeneer 3 years ago
hey ever thought of having a solar powerd compresor running the air tank and off a system of batteries in the car 2 run the car almost indefinantly u could extend batteries and conect a dc converter so the batteries can refill of the grids electric on poor days.....thc ...rev...Z-Key
rougeliath 4 years ago
excellent idea. we need to figure out how compressed air can do other industrial jobs that currently require petroleum... what about the manufacture of the metal used to build the engines and the cars for example...
la2htrea 3 years ago
My only issue with this concept is the level of noise that it produces.
takotheoktopus 4 years ago 3
a person like myself with a mind for engineering i am inlove with the idea and no doubt this is the future. However it must be noted that oil companies are world wide multi billion dollar organisations and like in past times when a source of power opposing the use of oil pops up, they simply buy the rights and shelf it. Otherwise brilliant idea!
d3rro 4 years ago
exactly
Ralphypwns 3 years ago
id hate to see what drag cars would look like and perform like with this idea
suspec85 4 years ago
This is the Future! make no mistake. with Oil running out fast, and most other technologies Hybrids etc, frankly hopeless. There is a way to run this vehicle totaly free and totaly green, burning nothing! totaly carbon zero.
Not only that, the same technology can be used to power much of industry. tell everyone about it. The air car needs to be taken seriously by goverments and manufacturers all over the globe. Not just India, Brazil etc. Western goverments take note.. this is it!
alexiabeth 4 years ago
And the beauty part of it all is that the air pump runs on electricity which can be made dozens of ways without using carbon based fuels. I would like to see the French design vehicle with the Aussie engine.
nanabijou62 4 years ago