decent disply of sanshin no kata. but tell ur students/uke's to stop being limp noodles. all that does is blow smoke up the ass of the person throwin the technique
I've trained with him... He is not as soft as it can seem on a video. After that trainning, I could'nt close my punch for like a week. He does not need to be strong, he aims right. Also, I believe that killing your uke may not be the best way to train him.
As normy2k and ninpomasta111 said, these are the basics.
1:52 How can anyone survive an adversary who REALLY wants to hurt us by using this movement? Would be a ninja is to become blind? Is anyone aware that this technique is useless?
He is actually using a kamai which I don't remember the name of. It is a "long" distance kamai and really effective if you know how to do it and use it correctly.
@Asodog001 lol the uki wasnt even touched and hes acting like hes getting hit lol keep on training students like that and thats what really is going to happen. Fall over for no reason.
@manuel6144 the only reason he's falling is exactly that: to practice falling. he's not practicing ukemi for the Shidoshi's benefit, but his own. common sense dictates that you won't go flying because of that, but you have the prime opportunity to practice what do do when you DO get forcibly knocked off balance.
ok this is dumb look at those wasted motions. For one the closest distance from point a to b is a straight line not attacking with your arms down two people throw multible punches leaning away with no block of sort and back in with your hands down will get you knock out hands up protect your noggin and three were are your leg checks leg checks can disrupt a persons ability to move and knee you. Also if you train with no contact you wont make contact out on the streets.
dont get me wrong, bujin is what i consider the best martial art out there especially when working the clubs and bars at night but consider this, combined with a more modern fighting style or JKD, i have yet to find something better.
you're right about that. But you also learn to control yourself and you train reflexes. And it's never the strongest, but the one who controls the fight that wins.
The point of ninjutsu isn't to teach to reproduce an exact same move, I would say it's to learn the body mechanics, and then to adapt, every teacher, every student even, knows that, and in no art you will learn to handle every situation, so we take a basic, learn a move, and then you adapt. Read about Takamatsu, and you'll see that it works, and have been proved in even deadly fights.
Its for practicing technique. Ninjutsu kata is a different story though, those kata seem to be a self defense technique rather than a series of moves like in my style. you most CERTAINLY could use this
oh my god, seriously, what is up with the uke's balance? i've done karate for 7 years and i know that techniques are practiced slowly at times at the dojo, but this is just ridiculous! i can't imagine how anyone could learn anything from this as the uke falls off balance even without the sensei applying any serious technique other than swinging his arm in the uke's direction...
The point is for the tori to take the uke off balance by maintaining proper distance. By distancing yourself from the uke as he/she attacks, you can take him/her off balance even before blocking/executing a defensive technique.
Pay attention to the tori's footwork because he is moving with his lower body in order to over-extend the uke's punch. If the uke actually maintains proper balance, the punch will be even further from making contact, still rendering his/her attack a failure.
this is not a sport, its a thousand year old art,the point of the lean and moving back is to avoid being hit. Y block when you can move?? And this is Kata, the point of kata is to exagerate movement to get your body and brain used to the movement, not to use piece by piece in a fight. You blatantly do not know what you are talking about
if you move back i can move forward faster than you move back i never said anything about it being a sport. Even if it is a Kata than why demonstrate it on someone unless it is to be used in self defense people do not just throw one punch and stop allowing you to move away and back in no there will be multiple punches so leaning away is pointless
That ain't for fighting in the street or wathever, it's for understand the five elements of the ninpo taïjutsu. When you fight, there is a mind element...I explain, if you think you will be beaten, you will be...if in your mind you think you are a lion and the oppenent is your prey, your fighting style will be totaly different... That's a part than you have to understand of this kata
Esto es exactamente lo que yo digo siempre: puños lentos, reacciones lentas e imposibles que sólo funcionarían contra un puño lento que se queda quieto. Así nos va. Y el alumno haciéndole la pelota al maestro como si fuera un dios.
sensei has good taijutsu, it's a very interesting sanshin no kata interpretation you see here. The only problem I see with this school is dumb ukes... Aren't there any black belts?
And by dumb, I don't mean to offend anyone, we all have a "dumb" taijutsu at the beginning.
I've a lot of time for the Bujinkan, but I do agree that it needs to incorporate a less passive form of training at higher levels. Yes it's a combat system but students need to be pressure tested, for their own sake, and this doesnt happen often enough in the training. Sparring could be quite happily added in a safe manner, however many seem reluctant to even entertain the idea.
Depends on the Tabi. All the ones i have purchased in the past have flexible ridges on the sole that have a tendency to stick.
The Sanshin no Kata is not like Kata from other Japanese arts. Ninjutsu was not recreated into a sports oriented art at the end of the samurai era. The sanshin no kata is a solo exercise that moves from Shizen no Kamae into Ichimonji no Kamae and then comes back with an attack (depending on which element is being used). This,I guess, is an interpretation of application
A kata is a form intended to learn the basics of the art, not to learn to fight or to blow up an opponent just touching him. That's not martial art, that's an hollywood bullshit.
In a form you aren't supposed to kill tori, if kata says "punch to the face", just punch to the face. Fighting is a different thing.
I actually fight againts my "teacher" for training, but not when we train the forms.
Forms gives you the knowledge of the art, fighting teaches you to use it.
haha his guard is wrong alot of the time, my sensei told me about bujinkan schools who have picked up bad habbits like this but i never thought i'd ever see it, does anyone know if this guy was japanese trained under soke hatsumi? other than that it is a good video
this style is amazing im glad im learning this(dublin) and as soon as i master it ill kick anyones ass who says otherwise haha its soo awe-some the motions the rhythms the attacks the forms i love it!
I feel sorry for a guy with Ukes like this. He's going to try one of these techniques on the street and his attacker is going to laugh in his face while he pounds it in.
dont be negative! i do ninjutsu and the Sanshin no kata is a very basic kata infact the first one you learn so its not going to be amazing in practical appliance!
No, apparently they live in a fantasy world based on training in the dojo. Do you think you can stop in the middle of a fight and say to your attacker; "Wait, you attacked me wrong. You're supposed to fall down when I do my technique."
Do you think that when someone is learning trigonometry they start out as a physics professor? Or do they learn how trig works in highschool first.
You cant throw a child in the ring with Mike Tyson and expect them to learn anything. When you study martial arts like karate which uses contact sparring consistently you loose the form and develop a good sense of timing but weak form. Bujinkan is supposed to be about form and flow.
I don't disagree. My point was that he won't be able to do anything with form like that. I mean just look at the video. What the fuck is the Uke doing leaning back and forth at 20 seconds or at 1:05 when he doesn't even try to stop himself from falling down (nor does he try at any other time for that matter).
It's like what is more important: basic multiplication or advanced physics.? The better the form the more functional and accurate the fighting. If you dont spend any time learning to walk properly, by the time you get to running you arent very functional.
I think this would be true of all martial arts. When I took karate we trained rigorously in striking, blocking, flexibility, breathing, etc. before we ever sparred.
I disagree. The form and technique in a low kick can be practised in sparring without sacrificing form. This is the case for all striking techniques, some of which are very advanced, in kickboxing and Muay Thai.
The same goes for the grappling techniques in Judo and BJJ. Ninjutsu has no excuse to be any different.
To some extent this is true, but understand in this video they are not teaching striking techniques because given the right opportunity anyone can deliver a dangerous strike on instinct. The basics of bujinkan form is manipulation of subtle changes in balance and force to gain the upper hand in combat. It's the opinion of my teacher that putting form into action prematurely (premature sparring) makes us revert to spasmodic instinctual movements instead of using solid form.
Now if you can internalize form perfectly in no time then I would say go right ahead and put that form to the test in a sparring match but I havent met the person yet who could do that.
Your form is necessary for power generation and accuracy. A good coach will pick when you are not using correct form and help you work on it; but the best way of telling when form is lacking is observing sparring.
This way, you can evaluate form under pressure, not just form on a compliant opponent or no opponent at all.
And I strongly disagree with your statement that anyone can deliver an effective strike. If so, anyone could become a professional fighter.
That makes sense. In my experiences our sparring matches in karate were not an evaluation of form but rather a judge of our efffectiveness which is not fair judgement considering so many factors such as height difference, muscle, cardio. But ninjutsu teaches us that all those things should not matter when using correct form.
And anyone can deliver a deadly strike given the right opportunity and some luck. They wont be professional fighters because pro fighters stil fight in a controlled setting, but outside the ring a ten year old kid could stil collapse your trachea or knock the wind out of you with a strike to the solar plexus with no martial arts background.
It may not be likely but I use that example to illustrate my point.
They always matter. But technique is more important; the disparity between technique and size / strength favours technique.
Also, a solar plexus strike is not deadly, and a strike to the trachea is actually less likely to collapse it than you might think. Plus, even the most inexperienced fighter will tuck his chin if he senses a strike towards that area; it's an automatic defence mechanism.
Feeling... you learn form to get a grasp on the feeling inside it, its essence. That's fundamental on ninjutsu philosophy, and yes, in that aspect, we're talking about something very different to karate, where kata (form) is pursued and perfected as fundamental to karate philosophy .
In order to get to that essence, you train form. After studying form and trascending it, you understand the feeling, and by understanding the feeling and training constantly, you're building "fighting ability".
It might sound ironic, but even in bujinkan's kata, kata is not the most important, this sensei here is precisely teaching about the essence of sanshin no kata, his very personal interpretation. The moves are very much outside the classic form of sanshin no kata, but you can see its essence there clearly, and it works effectively and efficiently. Once again, he could only reach that interpretation after years of training a repeating the form again and again.
i don't think it's "necessary" either. Also you don't NEED to solve typical mathematical problems to understand mathematics, but it will sure make a good way of practicing. Kata plays that role, as a mere training tool. It's through understanding the principle beneath the kata that you achieve fighting ability.
(I know there are other means to that ability, like sparring, but I'm focusing on BUJINKAN way of training, where we believe in studying the kata in order to understand a principle)
True. But there is a difference in that sparring IS necessary to develop fighting ability. If you have not practised it in a spontaneous environment then you will not be prepared for a spontaneous environment.
that's not entirely correct, each practioner who calls him/herself a warrior, engages in combat use's the skills he/she were taught. that makes them a Warrior. you didnt "invent" a new "art" you merely play to your strengths.
That's how training in any Martial Arts goes. You have to learn the basics before you just start wailing on each other. Its an instructor and his student, he's not going to invite him to just start swinging recklessly, there'd be no lesson in that.
I'm not talking about learning basics, I'm talking about his Uke leaning back and forth at 0:20. What is that, exactly? You shouldn't have to let yourself fall or anticipate your instructor's moves for his techniques to work. Without resisting, you should simply allow it to work which, if he's skilled, it will. Anything else is disrespectful.
I thought this was a nice demo of the concept of taking the opponent's balance at any stage of the technique, which is really what stops or destabilizes the attack. The slowness and the fact that the kata are not performed all the way through each time appears to be for emphasis on position and control and knowing what the correct performance of technique feels like. Good show!
These movements are drills (emphasis on drill) that teaches a beginner (emphasis on beginner) principles (emphasis on principles) about distance, timing, reading an attack, and movement. It is not supposed to simulate a "real world attack". There are different techniques and exercises for those. These here simply teach how to move at an angle to avoid an attack, how to deflect an attack, and, when striking, how to move with full body unison. These exercises are among the first taught.
Huge fan and practicioner of Ninpo. I agree with Snakeeyes on one thing ... fans of Ninpo needs some real life examples on YouTube to convince the nay sayes that it is a vital and solid form of self defense.
Not true. An average Stree fighter wouldn't have the time to put three punches together since Ninjutsu teaches you to avoid the attack and counter as these stances show. A figher can't punch what's not in his way. I know, I have a green belt in Ninjutsu. What you see on Youtube is sheer basics. We also know how to counter a punch with certain hits in which a puncher would never want to punch us again.
Such things are argued so many times on the internet I rarely ever bother replying.
Yet I've got to say it obviously not only depends on the wits of the user, but also on the circumstances. It has loads of mind tricks involved, and believe me, as instances change, so does the technique.
Not only that, but there are also instances in which it is rather simple to get an opponent's arm stretched quite comfortably by using the right timing and distance to encourage them to over-reach.
agree with getting someone to over reach much but of what this guy was doing works in his dojo and only in his dojo unless he has an opponent that fights like that and I haven't seen one in my life or on youtube, also instructors that leave one hand down by there waist when they fight don't have a clue, search for Kimbo Fight for reality, I would rather watch kids in the ghetto street fight/slap box I see much better fundamentals then I see here.
I know it looks as though you need the attacker to hold his arm out or only make one punch, but that's just for show. This works very well at speed and against people throwing fast punches in.
the guy in the full-black kimono has only one hand and very stiff legs which he cannot move... pour crippled guy no wonder he got beaten! bullshit! this is not Ninpo Taijutsu.
Normally I don't comment negatively like this but I have to wonder: If this guy had to retest black belt with an uke who didn't make the technique work for him, would he pass? I don't know.
This is not trying to insult you or anything, But I've found that most blackbelts (except the few idiotic ones) know when their uke is being far too submissive. He probably wouldn't pull them up on this because it is Sanshin. This is the super form based, every movement too huge part of training. He's not doing any actual waza or henka, only slow movement.
This video depicts sanshin no kata instruction. it is a basis of other tactics and movements. its impossible to depict what one would do on a street fight. however, i have worked security and Bujinkan training is a lifesaver.
at 4:35... that guy falls because of nothing but self intent to do so. bujinkan ryu ninpo taijutsu is really effective but not what these guys are doing...
His swatting is slow and unrealistic. Any street fighter will retract his arm after a punch. The shidoshi should've swatted During the strike not after the guy mysteriously leaves his arm out to be swatted.
Hes not a "twit", hes being realistic. Even in practice you should mimic reallife situations otherwise its mostly meaningless. A fighter needs to accustom their eyes to the speed of a real attack and they also need to learn how to take punches without breaking their technique.
Try doing a move full speed and with accuracy and fluency for the first time. You practice slowly and build up to the likeness of a real attack. You don't just go full blown at first, you have to perfect the technique
those who never try will never know.taijutsu IS realy effective,yet doesnt seem like that sometimes.4 all those who like this kind of martial arts,check out for vids from Vladimir Vasiliev - also very impressive.
this is not a load of shit, it's a training exercise meant to teach the mechanics of the body. please don't be that guy who can't respect others. And i have firsthand experience that says that this art is extremely effective in real situations.
Yes Chewie my bad, just I spared a friend who does Ninjitsu where he tried to use alot of his traditional techniques and well I have deep reservations with the art. In particular your long stances, I off balanced him many times because he over extended. For example
I would love to know what could have possibly threatened your life AND death, that you would need to rely on the Bujinkan's version of taijutsu. A slow moving car perhaps? Maybe a toddler on his trike about 10 feet away posed a threat to your very existence. It couldn't have been a real fight. You wouldn't have lived to write your post if it were.
i have to wonder what kyu he was, i would suggest not judging a martial system based on one practitioner. i have beaten a good friend of mine who does hapkido in sparring before but that doesnt mean hapkido sucks. plus i'd say that if u beleive his over extending was his downfall then perhaps he wasnt really using stances and movements correctly
The ninja tried to grab my friends wrist, which was a trap anyway, so as he reached out my friend hammered his arm at the elbow and hammer struck the ninjas head with the other hand. Honestly I have no doubt it is a good art only the ones ive seen maybe dont understand it fully.
could be, who knows. its important to keep in mind though that just because a person is possibly excellent in a martial art, he isnt necesarilly good at sparring or fighting because martial arts depend just as much on the person as they do they way they are taught. *by the way, if a person who does ninjutsu tried to grab an enemies wrist as an attack, he definitely does not know how to fight :p
Load of shit!!! That 1st strike the guy made, never ever have I seen a guy on street punch like that. I worked security for years and I tell you the "Ninja" will get your heads kicked in if you expect that lol. Good luck.
Im sure the actual Ninja who dveoped this system through years of trial and error always got their asses kicked. In fact they got their asses kicked so much that they decided to keep using these techniques sthat dont work
It's important to be a good uke and not just pretend that something made you fall over. Your training partner will never learn if you don't help them. Normally I like to just live and let train, as it were, but in this case I feel I must call something to attention: In what dimension would most of the techniques being shown actually work. I mean honestly take a look at 4:30 and 5:25. There's no way that's going to work.
i have to agree. It seems the students are to willing to just fall down or act against it. I mean I know its light training but actually do something.. both people are training. At 4:30-5:25 it seems it might not work because he isnt able to lock properly onto the hand, the reason he falls tho is because hes lunging. Why would he be lunging tho is my question in the first place.. Teach your students to punch properly so you can teach them to defend from it.
Arch of back should NOT be dominant. Low center = high leverage. When hunching back you apply three times the force on your lower back, causing you to be off balance and using more strength than needed.
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Omg this is so fucking stupid. Why are you standing 4 meters away from the other person? Noone is hitting like that, and you dont try to punsh his face, you punsh the air besides the face.
And noone is waiting for you to do a technique in the real life. And you have to move faster, and to the side aswell as back not only a little bit back... it seams very funny. It is only working against ninjutsu, and not in real life. so do it real. Ninjutsu works if you do it properly!:)
Oyeee.... just to educate you. These are training drills, not meant for actual combat. The constant repitition of these forms will stregthen your legs and educate your body movement. Research before you speak... kid.
didnt like it... those no katas are badly done.. you should search a shihan who has some kind of connection with japanese shihans to update your technics and to see the mistakes you are making, cause if u dont do this, youll be passing them to your aprentices
'There is a level of mutual cooperation required to show what would probably happen if the technique was applied correctly' was the answer I have been waiting for. Correct application of a technique would rapidly reduce class numbers through injury. How many assailants stand still with their arm extended after they have thrown a punch?
No, it doesn't, but you need to have strong legs and hips. Plus you have to be flexible (don't worry if you aren't , you do lot's of stretching called Shunan Taiso).
Your not "required" to know but if you want to stick to the original training guidelines according to the tenchijin ryaku no maki (depending one which version you read) cartwheels hands springs and other "leaping" and rolling methods are part of "ukemi gata taihenjutsu". But even hatsumi at one point I believe said that if your over 40 its not something that would be practical to focus on.
Why didn't the opponent step away from the attacker rather than fall over backwards 03:10?It's all very staged and cooperative.I'd like to see it work.
decent disply of sanshin no kata. but tell ur students/uke's to stop being limp noodles. all that does is blow smoke up the ass of the person throwin the technique
jamnin94 7 months ago
I've trained with him... He is not as soft as it can seem on a video. After that trainning, I could'nt close my punch for like a week. He does not need to be strong, he aims right. Also, I believe that killing your uke may not be the best way to train him.
As normy2k and ninpomasta111 said, these are the basics.
psyckho666 8 months ago
The teacher is so useless that Uke is not sure how he should fall, hahaha
davichuuuu 10 months ago
1:52 How can anyone survive an adversary who REALLY wants to hurt us by using this movement? Would be a ninja is to become blind? Is anyone aware that this technique is useless?
davichuuuu 10 months ago
All of his uke... well... suck. lol.
garrett1992004 1 year ago
if u guys dont like this vid try lookin up genbukan
wasabi107 1 year ago
god he sucks.lol
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
yea the move at 1:35 can be very effective
wasabi107 1 year ago
Flying uke. Ask your uke to throw a proper punch!
I have trained under Brin Morgan for 11 years.
cderycke 1 year ago
And you believe the move at 1:34? Come on grow up
Asodog001 1 year ago
@Asodog001
He is actually using a kamai which I don't remember the name of. It is a "long" distance kamai and really effective if you know how to do it and use it correctly.
Thonero 1 year ago
@Asodog001 lol the uki wasnt even touched and hes acting like hes getting hit lol keep on training students like that and thats what really is going to happen. Fall over for no reason.
manuel6144 1 year ago
@manuel6144 the only reason he's falling is exactly that: to practice falling. he's not practicing ukemi for the Shidoshi's benefit, but his own. common sense dictates that you won't go flying because of that, but you have the prime opportunity to practice what do do when you DO get forcibly knocked off balance.
subaru84 1 year ago
@Asodog001 aimed at the groin..
asmovftw 1 year ago
the move at 1:34 is so epic.
nosliwhtes09 2 years ago
Never talk about your knowledge, it might make it disappear
beewax1 2 years ago 2
ok this is dumb look at those wasted motions. For one the closest distance from point a to b is a straight line not attacking with your arms down two people throw multible punches leaning away with no block of sort and back in with your hands down will get you knock out hands up protect your noggin and three were are your leg checks leg checks can disrupt a persons ability to move and knee you. Also if you train with no contact you wont make contact out on the streets.
manuel6144 2 years ago
LARP
bizitch71717 2 years ago
dont get me wrong, bujin is what i consider the best martial art out there especially when working the clubs and bars at night but consider this, combined with a more modern fighting style or JKD, i have yet to find something better.
glennsharpe 2 years ago
i often get the other students moan because i atteck like a boxer or use mma
glennsharpe 2 years ago
lol, if we get to meet each other, i'll beg for sensei not to spar with you.
PotterSuccess 2 years ago
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glennsharpe 2 years ago
It's okay if you don't understand it.
Feel it and you'll know.
mdiem 2 years ago
never ever in a hundret years would this work in a real fight !
No one attacks like that, exept your own student which you have trained to do this shit.
teutoboy 2 years ago
you're right about that. But you also learn to control yourself and you train reflexes. And it's never the strongest, but the one who controls the fight that wins.
surferkeeuh 2 years ago
The point of ninjutsu isn't to teach to reproduce an exact same move, I would say it's to learn the body mechanics, and then to adapt, every teacher, every student even, knows that, and in no art you will learn to handle every situation, so we take a basic, learn a move, and then you adapt. Read about Takamatsu, and you'll see that it works, and have been proved in even deadly fights.
Nordrian 2 years ago
obviously your dumbass doesnt realize the purpose of doing kata
PappeH 2 years ago
Your right, i got no idea why they do this.
But i know one thing, it is not for fighting.
teutoboy 2 years ago
Its for practicing technique. Ninjutsu kata is a different story though, those kata seem to be a self defense technique rather than a series of moves like in my style. you most CERTAINLY could use this
PappeH 2 years ago
@teutoboy I agree with this guy if you are training your students to attack like that i mean there gonna get there ass kicked.
manuel6144 1 year ago
Nice technique, however, I believe "Sui No Kata" in the video is actually "Ichimonji No Kata" of the kihon happo.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
oh my god, seriously, what is up with the uke's balance? i've done karate for 7 years and i know that techniques are practiced slowly at times at the dojo, but this is just ridiculous! i can't imagine how anyone could learn anything from this as the uke falls off balance even without the sensei applying any serious technique other than swinging his arm in the uke's direction...
hajoomedagana 2 years ago
LOL, it's the technique that has uke off balance. ( ralph,snicker) that is the point to the technique. thank you for your words.
7NEMISIS 2 years ago 3
The point is for the tori to take the uke off balance by maintaining proper distance. By distancing yourself from the uke as he/she attacks, you can take him/her off balance even before blocking/executing a defensive technique.
Pay attention to the tori's footwork because he is moving with his lower body in order to over-extend the uke's punch. If the uke actually maintains proper balance, the punch will be even further from making contact, still rendering his/her attack a failure.
mysweetrhodora 2 years ago
there is too much wasted motion for this to actually work im sorry and the students are just falling down sorry
manuel6144 2 years ago
this is not a sport, its a thousand year old art,the point of the lean and moving back is to avoid being hit. Y block when you can move?? And this is Kata, the point of kata is to exagerate movement to get your body and brain used to the movement, not to use piece by piece in a fight. You blatantly do not know what you are talking about
normy2k 2 years ago 9
if you move back i can move forward faster than you move back i never said anything about it being a sport. Even if it is a Kata than why demonstrate it on someone unless it is to be used in self defense people do not just throw one punch and stop allowing you to move away and back in no there will be multiple punches so leaning away is pointless
manuel6144 2 years ago
@manuel6144
That ain't for fighting in the street or wathever, it's for understand the five elements of the ninpo taïjutsu. When you fight, there is a mind element...I explain, if you think you will be beaten, you will be...if in your mind you think you are a lion and the oppenent is your prey, your fighting style will be totaly different... That's a part than you have to understand of this kata
ledeertom 2 years ago
Esto es exactamente lo que yo digo siempre: puños lentos, reacciones lentas e imposibles que sólo funcionarían contra un puño lento que se queda quieto. Así nos va. Y el alumno haciéndole la pelota al maestro como si fuera un dios.
davichuuuu 2 years ago
eres 1 imbecil
axwc1 2 years ago
soy un imbecil que lleva razón, amigo.
davichuuuu 2 years ago
Do the instructor dummies have to exaggerate so much?
dineroRM 2 years ago
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tommyviva2000 2 years ago
If you're talking about the falling, it's probably to avoid getting hurt. Rolling is much safer than simply falling with a thump into a heap.
FutureMoth 2 years ago
Gotta love all the Ukes moving their front feet before each attack.
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
Ok at 5:15 you can clearly see him hooking his own fist around the teacher's arm.
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
its for the slow example -.-
LedKenji666 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how slow or fast it's done. When you punch you don't curl your fist around your opponent's wrist so that he can take you down.
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
They are called Henka's...(variations)
LordKaseem 2 years ago
This is trash
ikohanza 2 years ago
sensei has good taijutsu, it's a very interesting sanshin no kata interpretation you see here. The only problem I see with this school is dumb ukes... Aren't there any black belts?
And by dumb, I don't mean to offend anyone, we all have a "dumb" taijutsu at the beginning.
zsoujiro 2 years ago
I've a lot of time for the Bujinkan, but I do agree that it needs to incorporate a less passive form of training at higher levels. Yes it's a combat system but students need to be pressure tested, for their own sake, and this doesnt happen often enough in the training. Sparring could be quite happily added in a safe manner, however many seem reluctant to even entertain the idea.
GameDevMonkey 2 years ago
3:12 Yeah, don't even try to stop yourself from falling down...
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
Depends on the Tabi. All the ones i have purchased in the past have flexible ridges on the sole that have a tendency to stick.
The Sanshin no Kata is not like Kata from other Japanese arts. Ninjutsu was not recreated into a sports oriented art at the end of the samurai era. The sanshin no kata is a solo exercise that moves from Shizen no Kamae into Ichimonji no Kamae and then comes back with an attack (depending on which element is being used). This,I guess, is an interpretation of application
tracerelement 3 years ago
doesn't training in tabi make the ground slippery? why not train in bare feet?
AFL489 3 years ago
no, it doesn't make it slippery at all. And it protects your feet against cold (and against attacks to the feet, which spontaneously occur very much)
zsoujiro 2 years ago
A kata is a form intended to learn the basics of the art, not to learn to fight or to blow up an opponent just touching him. That's not martial art, that's an hollywood bullshit.
In a form you aren't supposed to kill tori, if kata says "punch to the face", just punch to the face. Fighting is a different thing.
I actually fight againts my "teacher" for training, but not when we train the forms.
Forms gives you the knowledge of the art, fighting teaches you to use it.
Shadd92 3 years ago
are the throws hidden in the kata
jazz123214 3 years ago
haha his guard is wrong alot of the time, my sensei told me about bujinkan schools who have picked up bad habbits like this but i never thought i'd ever see it, does anyone know if this guy was japanese trained under soke hatsumi? other than that it is a good video
Blitzwolf44 3 years ago 4
very good,looks like a good school
ACEMFG 3 years ago
this style is amazing im glad im learning this(dublin) and as soon as i master it ill kick anyones ass who says otherwise haha its soo awe-some the motions the rhythms the attacks the forms i love it!
bobbo142 3 years ago
chill, lol.
Sovereignrisk 3 years ago
I feel sorry for a guy with Ukes like this. He's going to try one of these techniques on the street and his attacker is going to laugh in his face while he pounds it in.
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
dont be negative! i do ninjutsu and the Sanshin no kata is a very basic kata infact the first one you learn so its not going to be amazing in practical appliance!
jadamson123 3 years ago
oh yeah go and find an authentic ninja and try to fight him hopefully you'll be alive to reply to this
lcaisgay 3 years ago
I train with real ninjas. Real Ninjutsu is far more effective.
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
what do you consider real ninjutsu? not aggressive, I would just like to know what you train in.
Sariov 3 years ago
Lol, dont you think if they were 'real' ninjas, they wouldnt tell you about it?
Those who train bujinkan dont live in a fantasy world based on 16th century japan.
AndrzejSzkot 3 years ago
No, apparently they live in a fantasy world based on training in the dojo. Do you think you can stop in the middle of a fight and say to your attacker; "Wait, you attacked me wrong. You're supposed to fall down when I do my technique."
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
Do you think that when someone is learning trigonometry they start out as a physics professor? Or do they learn how trig works in highschool first.
You cant throw a child in the ring with Mike Tyson and expect them to learn anything. When you study martial arts like karate which uses contact sparring consistently you loose the form and develop a good sense of timing but weak form. Bujinkan is supposed to be about form and flow.
AndrzejSzkot 3 years ago
I don't disagree. My point was that he won't be able to do anything with form like that. I mean just look at the video. What the fuck is the Uke doing leaning back and forth at 20 seconds or at 1:05 when he doesn't even try to stop himself from falling down (nor does he try at any other time for that matter).
ninjanerd8 3 years ago 2
What is more important? Form or fighting ability?
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
Form.
It's like what is more important: basic multiplication or advanced physics.? The better the form the more functional and accurate the fighting. If you dont spend any time learning to walk properly, by the time you get to running you arent very functional.
I think this would be true of all martial arts. When I took karate we trained rigorously in striking, blocking, flexibility, breathing, etc. before we ever sparred.
AndrzejSzkot 2 years ago
I disagree. The form and technique in a low kick can be practised in sparring without sacrificing form. This is the case for all striking techniques, some of which are very advanced, in kickboxing and Muay Thai.
The same goes for the grappling techniques in Judo and BJJ. Ninjutsu has no excuse to be any different.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
To some extent this is true, but understand in this video they are not teaching striking techniques because given the right opportunity anyone can deliver a dangerous strike on instinct. The basics of bujinkan form is manipulation of subtle changes in balance and force to gain the upper hand in combat. It's the opinion of my teacher that putting form into action prematurely (premature sparring) makes us revert to spasmodic instinctual movements instead of using solid form.
AndrzejSzkot 2 years ago
Now if you can internalize form perfectly in no time then I would say go right ahead and put that form to the test in a sparring match but I havent met the person yet who could do that.
AndrzejSzkot 2 years ago
Your form is necessary for power generation and accuracy. A good coach will pick when you are not using correct form and help you work on it; but the best way of telling when form is lacking is observing sparring.
This way, you can evaluate form under pressure, not just form on a compliant opponent or no opponent at all.
And I strongly disagree with your statement that anyone can deliver an effective strike. If so, anyone could become a professional fighter.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
That makes sense. In my experiences our sparring matches in karate were not an evaluation of form but rather a judge of our efffectiveness which is not fair judgement considering so many factors such as height difference, muscle, cardio. But ninjutsu teaches us that all those things should not matter when using correct form.
AndrzejSzkot 2 years ago
And anyone can deliver a deadly strike given the right opportunity and some luck. They wont be professional fighters because pro fighters stil fight in a controlled setting, but outside the ring a ten year old kid could stil collapse your trachea or knock the wind out of you with a strike to the solar plexus with no martial arts background.
It may not be likely but I use that example to illustrate my point.
AndrzejSzkot 2 years ago
They always matter. But technique is more important; the disparity between technique and size / strength favours technique.
Also, a solar plexus strike is not deadly, and a strike to the trachea is actually less likely to collapse it than you might think. Plus, even the most inexperienced fighter will tuck his chin if he senses a strike towards that area; it's an automatic defence mechanism.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
Feeling... you learn form to get a grasp on the feeling inside it, its essence. That's fundamental on ninjutsu philosophy, and yes, in that aspect, we're talking about something very different to karate, where kata (form) is pursued and perfected as fundamental to karate philosophy .
In order to get to that essence, you train form. After studying form and trascending it, you understand the feeling, and by understanding the feeling and training constantly, you're building "fighting ability".
zsoujiro 2 years ago
It might sound ironic, but even in bujinkan's kata, kata is not the most important, this sensei here is precisely teaching about the essence of sanshin no kata, his very personal interpretation. The moves are very much outside the classic form of sanshin no kata, but you can see its essence there clearly, and it works effectively and efficiently. Once again, he could only reach that interpretation after years of training a repeating the form again and again.
zsoujiro 2 years ago
I don't think it's necessary to utilise Kata in the formation of fighting ability.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
i don't think it's "necessary" either. Also you don't NEED to solve typical mathematical problems to understand mathematics, but it will sure make a good way of practicing. Kata plays that role, as a mere training tool. It's through understanding the principle beneath the kata that you achieve fighting ability.
(I know there are other means to that ability, like sparring, but I'm focusing on BUJINKAN way of training, where we believe in studying the kata in order to understand a principle)
zsoujiro 2 years ago
True. But there is a difference in that sparring IS necessary to develop fighting ability. If you have not practised it in a spontaneous environment then you will not be prepared for a spontaneous environment.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
That is why me and my friend spar.
MyoushinRyuNinjutsu 2 years ago
Great. Doesn't validate the art though.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
Good point. In war, you don't fight Kung Fu, Karate, Muay Thai, or BJJ, etc. You fight War. Each practitioner has his own art to call his own.
MyoushinRyuNinjutsu 2 years ago
that's not entirely correct, each practioner who calls him/herself a warrior, engages in combat use's the skills he/she were taught. that makes them a Warrior. you didnt "invent" a new "art" you merely play to your strengths.
7NEMISIS 2 years ago
thanks for expanding my statement :D
MyoushinRyuNinjutsu 2 years ago
Oh, and:
"My friend and I"
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
That's how training in any Martial Arts goes. You have to learn the basics before you just start wailing on each other. Its an instructor and his student, he's not going to invite him to just start swinging recklessly, there'd be no lesson in that.
dgcleveland 3 years ago
I'm not talking about learning basics, I'm talking about his Uke leaning back and forth at 0:20. What is that, exactly? You shouldn't have to let yourself fall or anticipate your instructor's moves for his techniques to work. Without resisting, you should simply allow it to work which, if he's skilled, it will. Anything else is disrespectful.
ninjanerd8 3 years ago
I thought this was a nice demo of the concept of taking the opponent's balance at any stage of the technique, which is really what stops or destabilizes the attack. The slowness and the fact that the kata are not performed all the way through each time appears to be for emphasis on position and control and knowing what the correct performance of technique feels like. Good show!
Onnamusha 3 years ago 2
These movements are drills (emphasis on drill) that teaches a beginner (emphasis on beginner) principles (emphasis on principles) about distance, timing, reading an attack, and movement. It is not supposed to simulate a "real world attack". There are different techniques and exercises for those. These here simply teach how to move at an angle to avoid an attack, how to deflect an attack, and, when striking, how to move with full body unison. These exercises are among the first taught.
ninpomasta111 3 years ago 12
exactly, they're over exagerated in the dojo for learning purposes.
Rajthedrummer 3 years ago 3
in fact its the first one you learn
jadamson123 3 years ago 3
The guy punching doesn't really seem to be trying to hit his uke. It looks like he's giving in too easy.
Spelonker 3 years ago
The guy punching doesn't really seem to be trying to hit his uke. It looks like he's giving in too easy.
Spelonker 3 years ago
Huge fan and practicioner of Ninpo. I agree with Snakeeyes on one thing ... fans of Ninpo needs some real life examples on YouTube to convince the nay sayes that it is a vital and solid form of self defense.
Euberon 3 years ago 2
Nobody lunge punches on the street.
Rmaul21 3 years ago 2
true but then sucker punches are probably the easiest to counter - might as well learn the others too, right?
ArcticSheep 3 years ago
If an average street fighter put three punches together this would not work
snakeeyes007 3 years ago
Not true. An average Stree fighter wouldn't have the time to put three punches together since Ninjutsu teaches you to avoid the attack and counter as these stances show. A figher can't punch what's not in his way. I know, I have a green belt in Ninjutsu. What you see on Youtube is sheer basics. We also know how to counter a punch with certain hits in which a puncher would never want to punch us again.
QMAX21 3 years ago
The way a person practices is the way they will move under stress, sorry but that's reality.
snakeeyes007 3 years ago
Such things are argued so many times on the internet I rarely ever bother replying.
Yet I've got to say it obviously not only depends on the wits of the user, but also on the circumstances. It has loads of mind tricks involved, and believe me, as instances change, so does the technique.
Not only that, but there are also instances in which it is rather simple to get an opponent's arm stretched quite comfortably by using the right timing and distance to encourage them to over-reach.
WarriorMisanthrope 3 years ago
agree with getting someone to over reach much but of what this guy was doing works in his dojo and only in his dojo unless he has an opponent that fights like that and I haven't seen one in my life or on youtube, also instructors that leave one hand down by there waist when they fight don't have a clue, search for Kimbo Fight for reality, I would rather watch kids in the ghetto street fight/slap box I see much better fundamentals then I see here.
snakeeyes007 3 years ago
I know it looks as though you need the attacker to hold his arm out or only make one punch, but that's just for show. This works very well at speed and against people throwing fast punches in.
sballuk 3 years ago
It's a demonstration you morons!!!! of course the movements are slow!!!!!
Yamiharu 3 years ago
great taijutsu :)
adolfoccs86 3 years ago
the guy in the full-black kimono has only one hand and very stiff legs which he cannot move... pour crippled guy no wonder he got beaten! bullshit! this is not Ninpo Taijutsu.
retardno002 3 years ago
Garbage
ninjabullshit 3 years ago
nice vid......
martialworld 3 years ago
Moron
ninjabullshit 3 years ago
CUNT !
martialworld 3 years ago
i think systema stole your whole system
wingchunpliciple 4 years ago
nice veltical punch
wingchunpliciple 4 years ago
Normally I don't comment negatively like this but I have to wonder: If this guy had to retest black belt with an uke who didn't make the technique work for him, would he pass? I don't know.
ninjanerd8 4 years ago 2
This is not trying to insult you or anything, But I've found that most blackbelts (except the few idiotic ones) know when their uke is being far too submissive. He probably wouldn't pull them up on this because it is Sanshin. This is the super form based, every movement too huge part of training. He's not doing any actual waza or henka, only slow movement.
Sariov 3 years ago
This video depicts sanshin no kata instruction. it is a basis of other tactics and movements. its impossible to depict what one would do on a street fight. however, i have worked security and Bujinkan training is a lifesaver.
Ceosan 4 years ago
at 4:35... that guy falls because of nothing but self intent to do so. bujinkan ryu ninpo taijutsu is really effective but not what these guys are doing...
retardno002 4 years ago 3
How are you able to pick up on the desires of a persons heart just by watching a video? Where did you get your training?
num1balrog 4 years ago
His swatting is slow and unrealistic. Any street fighter will retract his arm after a punch. The shidoshi should've swatted During the strike not after the guy mysteriously leaves his arm out to be swatted.
derrickv 4 years ago
you twit, they are practicing. This movement in a real situation would be done immediatley
MaNarchicDRAKE 4 years ago
Hes not a "twit", hes being realistic. Even in practice you should mimic reallife situations otherwise its mostly meaningless. A fighter needs to accustom their eyes to the speed of a real attack and they also need to learn how to take punches without breaking their technique.
TheAppleGangster 4 years ago
Try doing a move full speed and with accuracy and fluency for the first time. You practice slowly and build up to the likeness of a real attack. You don't just go full blown at first, you have to perfect the technique
MaNarchicDRAKE 4 years ago
Dude, theyre black belts. Theyve had time to practice. They should be up to the standard of using agility accuracy and power in combination.
TheAppleGangster 4 years ago
those who never try will never know.taijutsu IS realy effective,yet doesnt seem like that sometimes.4 all those who like this kind of martial arts,check out for vids from Vladimir Vasiliev - also very impressive.
surobakianinpo 4 years ago
this is not a load of shit, it's a training exercise meant to teach the mechanics of the body. please don't be that guy who can't respect others. And i have firsthand experience that says that this art is extremely effective in real situations.
lbowookie 4 years ago
Yes Chewie my bad, just I spared a friend who does Ninjitsu where he tried to use alot of his traditional techniques and well I have deep reservations with the art. In particular your long stances, I off balanced him many times because he over extended. For example
Riyun72 4 years ago
have all the reservations you want. this stuff has allowed me to prevail in life and death situations. that's all i need to know.
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Riyun72 4 years ago
I would love to know what could have possibly threatened your life AND death, that you would need to rely on the Bujinkan's version of taijutsu. A slow moving car perhaps? Maybe a toddler on his trike about 10 feet away posed a threat to your very existence. It couldn't have been a real fight. You wouldn't have lived to write your post if it were.
XKanage 3 years ago
i have to wonder what kyu he was, i would suggest not judging a martial system based on one practitioner. i have beaten a good friend of mine who does hapkido in sparring before but that doesnt mean hapkido sucks. plus i'd say that if u beleive his over extending was his downfall then perhaps he wasnt really using stances and movements correctly
robeeri 4 years ago
True, I also watched a friend spar a guy from Ninjitsu and the first thing this guy tried was to grab his hand, well he learnt that lesson..
Riyun72 4 years ago
hahaha, awesome, who grabbed who though? u kinda lost me in that part
robeeri 4 years ago
The ninja tried to grab my friends wrist, which was a trap anyway, so as he reached out my friend hammered his arm at the elbow and hammer struck the ninjas head with the other hand. Honestly I have no doubt it is a good art only the ones ive seen maybe dont understand it fully.
Riyun72 3 years ago
could be, who knows. its important to keep in mind though that just because a person is possibly excellent in a martial art, he isnt necesarilly good at sparring or fighting because martial arts depend just as much on the person as they do they way they are taught. *by the way, if a person who does ninjutsu tried to grab an enemies wrist as an attack, he definitely does not know how to fight :p
robeeri 3 years ago
He had the gore to say he would test my firend's kung fu even though he never trained it and this was how he tested it lol.
Riyun72 3 years ago
Load of shit!!! That 1st strike the guy made, never ever have I seen a guy on street punch like that. I worked security for years and I tell you the "Ninja" will get your heads kicked in if you expect that lol. Good luck.
Riyun72 4 years ago
Im sure the actual Ninja who dveoped this system through years of trial and error always got their asses kicked. In fact they got their asses kicked so much that they decided to keep using these techniques sthat dont work
MaNarchicDRAKE 4 years ago
Wonderful opponents, very submissive.
With enemies like that you don't need to know anything except give 'em one good smack in the mouth and they will give up.
ArchitectOfEvil 4 years ago
It looks a bit like dancing.
In Ninjutsu you are supposed to finish the opponent, not just show that you can knock them off balance.
ArchitectOfEvil 4 years ago
It's important to be a good uke and not just pretend that something made you fall over. Your training partner will never learn if you don't help them. Normally I like to just live and let train, as it were, but in this case I feel I must call something to attention: In what dimension would most of the techniques being shown actually work. I mean honestly take a look at 4:30 and 5:25. There's no way that's going to work.
ninjanerd8 4 years ago
i have to agree. It seems the students are to willing to just fall down or act against it. I mean I know its light training but actually do something.. both people are training. At 4:30-5:25 it seems it might not work because he isnt able to lock properly onto the hand, the reason he falls tho is because hes lunging. Why would he be lunging tho is my question in the first place.. Teach your students to punch properly so you can teach them to defend from it.
Shiiransama 4 years ago
Arch of back should NOT be dominant. Low center = high leverage. When hunching back you apply three times the force on your lower back, causing you to be off balance and using more strength than needed.
zzinosferatuizz 4 years ago
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Omg this is so fucking stupid. Why are you standing 4 meters away from the other person? Noone is hitting like that, and you dont try to punsh his face, you punsh the air besides the face.
And noone is waiting for you to do a technique in the real life. And you have to move faster, and to the side aswell as back not only a little bit back... it seams very funny. It is only working against ninjutsu, and not in real life. so do it real. Ninjutsu works if you do it properly!:)
Ingve1234 4 years ago
Oyeee.... just to educate you. These are training drills, not meant for actual combat. The constant repitition of these forms will stregthen your legs and educate your body movement. Research before you speak... kid.
dkrto 4 years ago 3
they bend over so much that they are losing there balance this sucks
rufusthestuntbum07 4 years ago 2
didnt like it... those no katas are badly done.. you should search a shihan who has some kind of connection with japanese shihans to update your technics and to see the mistakes you are making, cause if u dont do this, youll be passing them to your aprentices
Fanso85 4 years ago
'There is a level of mutual cooperation required to show what would probably happen if the technique was applied correctly' was the answer I have been waiting for. Correct application of a technique would rapidly reduce class numbers through injury. How many assailants stand still with their arm extended after they have thrown a punch?
Darryld1 4 years ago 2
wow!!! great video, alot of presence, and connection made the attacker stop dead upon attacking.
ajsrugrat 4 years ago
the man just falls over strange fighting
grahamcoles1966 4 years ago
yeah, cause they're like fighting to the death. This is no drill whatsoever, they reeeeally want to hit eachother, can't you see?!
Idiot.
asshatrabies 4 years ago
all i see is two people doing fake slow motion fighting that wouldnt work in the real
world shit for brains
grahamcoles1966 4 years ago
that's called PRACTICE. Go and look it up in the dictionary.
KMGhost 4 years ago 2
Errr. This video ain't no pressure test that's for sure..
derrickv 4 years ago
good work.thanks for sharing...
klonajinsky 4 years ago
Does ninjutsu require you to actually know a lot of flipping moves like in XMA, wushu, or in the stereotypical ninja video games and movies?
brucenatelee 4 years ago
No, it doesn't, but you need to have strong legs and hips. Plus you have to be flexible (don't worry if you aren't , you do lot's of stretching called Shunan Taiso).
dileo234 4 years ago
Your not "required" to know but if you want to stick to the original training guidelines according to the tenchijin ryaku no maki (depending one which version you read) cartwheels hands springs and other "leaping" and rolling methods are part of "ukemi gata taihenjutsu". But even hatsumi at one point I believe said that if your over 40 its not something that would be practical to focus on.
RazzBlade 4 years ago
Why didn't the opponent step away from the attacker rather than fall over backwards 03:10?It's all very staged and cooperative.I'd like to see it work.
Darryld1 4 years ago
He has no balance... If wanna c it working go to a Bujinkan Dojo
dcsnfh 4 years ago
Très très bien. Merci pour vos vidéos.
cooldangeneva 4 years ago
great application...thanks
ShadowWarrior88 4 years ago
Real Ninjutsu! Amazing Nice application of Sui No Kata,I'll try it that way from now on.
johnm543 4 years ago
Amazing, all four videos. Thank you for sharing.
DunkelTeufel 4 years ago