Olympic Champions - Barcelona 1992 All-Around - Tatiana Gutsu

[cj222100]

How tall was Svetlana Boginskaya? Because I remember her towering over Tatiana Gutsu and all the other girls on the Unified team.

[judgerofwars]

i remember seeing this on tv. tatiana was defeated by shannon miller. tatiana fell on the beam. yet tatiana still won the gold. shannon miller should have won the gold. miller was ripped off by the judges

[CAAB9897]

@judgerofwars she won this fair and square, she's an amazing gymnast.

[faeryquene]

@judgerofwars Tatiana wasn't 'defeated' by Miller. Her fall off of beam came in the Team Finals. Those scores didn't carry over in the AA. Everyone started with zero and at the end of the day Gutsu outscored Miller. It's been 20 years. Miller got over it-you should too.

[gymnasticsfan14]

It's weird you expect her to be artistic and she's not really!

[garyj79]

@gymnasticsfan14 - true BUT in a frightening way, she is compared to some of the girls today !!!!!!! yikes !

[Planetimage2]

Gutsu beated Miller's sorry ass

[beautifulsarah100]

Shannon Miller disliked this video 3 times.

[garyj79]

@beautifulsarah100 - Shannon hit the button twice, Nunno struck it once I think lol

[mibi121]

@bbhouk1 I completely agree!! In my opinion she was a little overscored on that night, especially on floor and vault. I think miller should have won, and I don't usually go for American gymnasts! :)

[russianskatingfan]

@bbhouk1 You are fucking retarded. 9.9 on bars when Zmeskal also got a 9.9, ROTFL! 9.825 on beam when she had the best beam routine of the AA finals!! She in fact was underscored on beam and deserved atleat a 9.975 compared to what Miller was given for a routine with less difficulty and more glaring wobbles. 9.775 on vault for 92 scoring standards. Your ridiculous scores would have placed her 15th in the AA behind the Fraguas sisters. Thank goodness an idiot like you is not a judge.

[eamoblue]

The only thing I will never understand is why her coach didn't make her just leave it at a double layout. I don't think that she needed the split for her start value. At least in the team competition as then she would have qualified by right and the controversy wouldn't have been there.

I do agree though, she was the best gymnast on the day and deserved the gold. I even feel that she was underscored on beam so probably should have had a clearer win.

[aledegirona]

believe me Tatiana, the day you visited Barcelona was a super special day for the city! we still are crying becouse since then we havent seen anything more beautifull than your gymnastics, congratulation when ever you are in the planet today!!! with my best admiration and respect wishing you the best!!!

[tati4ever2211]

my name is tatiana!! :D

[iowas22]

She was overscored on floor!

[X3ishere]

that floor routine was no where near a 9.9 anything more 9.825

[whitemagicgirl1]

I know Jaycie Phelps wasn't at this competition, so does anybody know who's crappy music that was playing during Tatians's beam?

[afgymnast96]

gutsu deserved that gold medal. that balance beam routine would still win an olympic gold medal. shannon's bars weren't as clean or difficult in those days

[NetEidolon]

I saw when she get her medal from the all-around she was great, truly the best.

[TatianaZanotto]

when my mom was just about to give birth to me, she didt have a name for me, she turned on the tv, saw this, and she knew what my name should be.. lol dont no y im sharing this tho :P

[whitemagicgirl1]

@TatianaZanotto Good thing she didn't name you Gutsu.

[lilypod3]

i was so happy she won

[theurbansoul]

@peacelovegymnastics8 The sliver

[htownhomie06]

gutsu was underscored on beam & overscored on vault. either way u slice it, she fairly deserved to be ranked ahead of miller that year.

[raichmaneuvers]

Gutsus beam was way underscored. Under 92 scoring standards it should have been atleast a 9.975. Definitely the best beam routine of the whole games including Lysenkos winning beam routine in event finals.

[Natalie9911]

I love her landing on the UB

[sochisochi]

Guys she was really the best gymnast that day. Her beam was just enough to make judges give her the deserved gold.

[faeryquene]

@sochisochi Not just her beam-her bars work too. She had more difficulty overall than Miller.

[willsbob123]

These scores are rediculous, I thought it was the American cup where scores were inflated, not here, at the 1992 Olympic Games! She had a huge step forward on the first pass on the floor, 0.1!?

[all4uanew]

You could not be more right. She was a lovely gymnast but that floor score was absurd.

[tomsk14]

Does anyone know the score bonus the split leg on the DLO would have given? I imagine not enough to warrant doing it when you cant do it with a clean landing....

[usbeko]

I love russian style !!!

[felixfaster]

so, did she win Gold? I thought Kim zmeskal won Gold...

[LMA629]

that tumbling pass from 2:36-2:42....holy crap!!!!! shes so quick!!!

[Hibabalout14]

how good was that beam and her DISMOUNT holy crap that was crazy good.wish she was in my generation so that i could watch her.

[GymFloozie]

Shannon's second vault was better than any vault in Barcelona.

[ferency98]

Tatiana was a bit over scored on BB. I think she could have been deducted .05 for the mount and .05 for another balance check within the routine. Also, it appeared that she took a step back on the dismount, so she should have earned 9.90 or less. Also, on floor, she should have been seriously deducted on her double-front where she took a flying step forward.

[wexlerchick]

You think Tatiana was overscored? If so then Shannon was even more so overscored look at all of those balance checks in her routine.

[russianskatingfan]

LOL if Tatiana was overscored on beam than Shannon was WAY overscored on beam. Shannon's two balance breaks were bigger than Tatiana's on the mount and tiny step on the dismount. So if you re so harsh to take off .05 for both of those than Miller would have to be deducted atleast .1 for both of her mistakes making anything more than a 9.8 impossible. Yet she scored a 9.925.

[nicksline]

She was a great all around gymnast, but I feel Shannon deserved to win this. The massive step on her double layout, her vault had some form errors, bigger deductions should have been taken off. That step on the floor deserved at least 2 tenths off, even during the 1989-1992 code.

[raichmaneuvers]

You really know absolutely nothing about the 89-92 code if you think her step on floor deserved atleast two tenths. Miller landed her own double layout shorter with an even bigger hop twice at the 96 Olympics under a much harder and tighter scoring code and lost 2 tenth at most (maybe less).

[nicksline]

Miller got deducted at least 2-3 tenths for that step.  I know that the scoring system in the 89-92 quad was far more lenient, but even then that step would be worthy of a reasonable deduction. And apparently a full tenth wasn't even deducted. She would likely have gotten 9.95 without the step, so with it was should have been 9.85 IMO

[raichmaneuvers]

No Miller was not deducted atleast 2-3 tenths for that step. In the team competition she got a 9.625. A 9.825 would have even been a high score for her if anything considering Lilia, Dawes, Amanar, were all better than her on floor so she was deducted at most 2 tenths. In the AA she stepped out of bounds as well.

Gutsu would have scored higher than 9.95 with a perfect routine. Her tumbling overall was even harder than Bontas and Milo who scored 9.975 on floor.

[nicksline]

Miller could have easily gotten a 9.825 without that step forward on her double layout in Atlanta. Her routine was worth a ten, the tumbling was all landed well and she met the requirements. In fact, her tumbling was more difficult that Milosovic in 1996 (she did a front layout front full and a Rudi to Milo's Whips to Double twist) and Milo was scored a 9.812

[raichmaneuvers]

Milos double layout was far better than Millers even if she hit hers. When she hit it at U.S Nationals it had badly bent knees still. That is the only way she was capable of doing it. The U.S judges were kind to ignore that kind of glaring form error but the Olympic judges would be yes so. Yes though I agree a 9.825 in the team event was possible though (not certain at all but possible), but that was her max, hence why I said she was deducted 2 tenths at MOST.

[raichmaneuvers]

Also if you feel Gutsu's mistake was worth .1 here than Miller's should have been worth a 0.05 as well. As well if Gutsu's floor was only worth a 9.95 with no mistakes Miller's certainly was less than that, a 9.90 only in that case. In which case Miller was also overscored on floor as the score she received as was, was a 9.90.

[nicksline]

Gutsu's floor was worth 10.0 with no mistakes, as were all performances in this era. However, the floor routine was not perfect, and as there were only two 10s awarded in these games it is highly unlikely her floor performance would have received a 10. Going on this, she likely would have scored 9.95 without the step, with the step it should have been 9.85. In addition, Miller's vault was far superior to Gutsu's (Gutsu had errors on the pre-flight)

[raichmaneuvers]

Without the mistake her routine was even better than both Bontas and Milos from the AA and both scored a 9.975. Gutsus score would have been atleast a 9.975 then without the mistake if not higher, definitely higher than 9.950.

As for vault Miller did outscore Gutsu. Miller was given a huge gift on beam where Gutsu should have clearly outscored her and Miller actualy scored 0.013 higher, a farce.

[NewMinako]

She was very great here, but I think she was a bit overscored on vault. I mean if you compare with Shannon vault you'll see what I mean

[yueshili]

If compare with Shannon's vault score, Gutsu was underscored.

[hjaidar]

BTW What happend to Bogui in 1992? she wasn't the same than in 91 worlds, in Barcelona and even 92 Euros she looked weak. Did she was injured before Euros and Olympics?

[Pregolegs]

Wow, that double layout on bars was amazing. See how far she gets above the bar! She finishes the rotation with room to spare.

Her beam dismount is quite possibly the most amazing thing I've ever seen on beam. Commentators were gushing about Shawn's dismount (roundoff full twisting double back) while Gutsu did *three back handsprings* before the full twisting double!

Has anyone even come close to doing that since?

[selezkova]

What an angel!!

She is gorgeous and her routine is extremely difficult.

Well deserving winner!!

[ApparoDei]

I've watched this olympics as a young kid and I remember falling in love with gymnastics for the 1st time. I remember crying when tatiana fell down the beam and crying as she hugged svetlana after finishing the routine.

[ApparoDei]

That is sick. You've got to have enormous ones to say that.

[wexlerchick]

Originally posted by ants2876

''Lysenko the 3rd string Russian''

Lysenko isn't Russian she's Ukranian

Gutsu is Ukranian as well

Boginskaya is Belarussian

Chusovitina is Uzbekhistanian

Rozalia is from Khazkhistan

and I don't know where Grudneva is from.

[WSggs]

I know!

It bugs me a lot when people lump all Soviets in one bunch.

[WSggs]

And then call them Russian.

[ComtessedeLaFere]

I'm pretty sure Galieva competed along with Chusovitina for Uzbekistan after 1992 (then she competed for Russia).

Grudneva was the only Russian of the team if I recall correctly. I think some people even wondered if that was why she was on the team (I do not have enough knowledge of the gymnasts available at that time to answer that question myself though).

[kalaway]

:D I remember that music at 1:00, lol

She's a beautiful gymnast, if a bit messy at times.

[prepster845]

Floor should have been a 9.9

Vault should have been a 9.937 (if that's possible?)

Bars I agree with

Beam should have been a 9.950

[JLFAN2008]

Yes, a 9.937 would have been an entirely possible score, back then. There were six judges on any given apparatus, each giving a score in increments of 0.05. If you averaged out four scores, you could have a 9.937 if there were three marks of9.95 and one 9.90.

[gymn0brunette0hanley]

i was barely born but if i had been old enough to watch i would have been for onodi then milo then bogi. guess i wouldn't have been too happy with the medals then lol. but tatiana's great too. miller's fine i don't have anything against her but she wasn't the best of the meet by far.

[wht1t3cr4y0n]

Miller needs to go suck a cock.

Tatiana is the true champion.

[bengativo6]

i remember ths i used to take a crush on tatianna that was my first platonic love we are and were the same age ,i used to love her i still do

[mimp4l]

miller got robbed in this AA if you ask me

[emmyjo720]

Gutsu was European Champion going into to this and the favourite from the start...with Lysenko and Bogi also being serious contendors.

I was not Gutsu's fault that she was replaced, the poor girl aged 15 had a breakdown after the Olympics..

[lambielkwanfan]

There were alot of other big contenders going into the 92 AA other then Gutsu, Lysenko, and Boginskaya. Miller, Zmeskal, Onodi, Bontas, Milo.  It was an extremely deep field that year.

[Brendan101Kool]

Україна , all that needs to be said , Україна

[radabminj]

i was 15 when i saw tatiana at these olympics. she moved me in mysterious ways....

[lovisjustadream]

wow, i used to train with her last year for gymnastics for a little while, i never saw her videos or how good she was. she definently is just as good as a coach as she was a gymnast. she did deserve the gold.

[nicksline]

Though Gutsu was amazing, especially for her day, she just wasn't better than Miller. Her moves were more difficult, and she had some more amplitude, but that vault was NOT perfect. She had massive leg separation on the pre-flight. To get a 9.95, clearly some of the judges had to give her a 10, and that's just not right. Her beam routine was nothing short of awesome, but that first pass on the floor should have gotten at LEAST a tenth off. Plus any other deductions in the routine.  Unfair.

[selesqueen]

A 9.95 on vault wasnt that high a vault score at the time. EIGHT women scored atleast that, and four women scored higher. It is not true you have to get a 10 to get a 9.95. As it was only 1 judge gave Gutsu a 10 on vault and it was thrown out, so it didnt matter anyway. A 9.95 from the judges would give the same overall score.

Miller received huge gifts on floor and beam. She had 3 significant errors, 1 on floor, 2 on beam, that were not deducted at all. She was lucky to even get silver.

[brookenicole222]

aww she was so cute back then!  her gymnastics were so inspiring to me at 10 years old and even now. :)

[lernerh1]

i dont know much about gymnastics but her beam routine was awesome

[markoparko]

I think Gutsu would have done well under the current code of points.

[JLFAN2008]

Without a doubt: after all, the current code is designed to reward gymnasts for DIFFICULTY in their routines -- sometimes at the expense of form and execution. Just look at Vanessa Ferrari of Italy, for one: she was able to capture the World AA title in 2006, despite falling off the beam. After all, she made up for it with extreme difficulty on the floor ex later on.

[princevicious2424]

I know Milo is Romainain. Im just saying she also is better than Zmeskal ever was. Get over it people. Gutsu was just better. Thats why Miller went to the Soviets to become as good as them.

[princevicious2424]

Form and presenation is important too, but seeing Zmeskal win with little difficulty got tiring. Now watching Lysenko, Gutsu, Milosovich is just awesome. Dont get me wrong what you say is also important, but when you see excellence as them, they deserve a bit more.

[auswriteratheart]

Not trying to be difficult, really, and it has nothing to do with the current discussion...but it's Milosivici, not Milosovich. She's Romanian, not Russian.

[auswriteratheart]

Oops, sorry. Milosovici.  I should probably get my own spelling right before I correct other peoples...still, the point was the main point was the nationality.

[radabminj]

Tatiana can mount MY beam anytime ;)

[princevicious2424]

I also am amazed on how Tatiana still mounted the beam in the all-around after what happenend in the optionals. Thats just brave to do again and Gutsu was on the mark. Thats consistent and she knew what she had to do. I also love IG magazine. I had a few of my letters published.

[princevicious2424]

Um sorry to say, but Lysenko was good enough for all-around gold. Her difficulty was amazing. And as for the Gutsu/Miller fued, Gutsu had more difficulty than Miller. Gutsu earned it fair and square hands down! I watched the all around a few days ago. Gutsu flat out rules.

[TuesdayPillow]

You speak as though the most difficulty should win always. What about form, presentation, grace? Does that have any place in judging gymnastics?

[selesqueen]

Boginskaya had the best form and presentation, not Miller. If anyone was robbed in the AA it was her. Miller's floor was a complete yawner, and her tumbling was the worst of all the top 8. Millers bar releases lacked amplitude, and she is short of handstands. Millers beam was great except she had two big bobbles which the judges ignored, while being harder on everyone else. It was joke her beam outscored Gutsu. If the AA was judged fair Bogi and Milo might have medaled over Miller.

[emmyjo720]

Livinia Milosevic was the star with the last ever perfect 10....

Miller became a beautiful gymnast though Lysenko was more stylish and then Podkapyova,

Kotchacova and Khorkina were even better.

[Darkangel127]

OMG! You're so right! I like Shannon Miller too, but her form was not miles ahead compared to Gutsu and nowhere near Boginskaya, who's the epitome of artistry and presentation!

[russianskatingfan]

Miller's form on her tumbling passes on floor is actually not good at all. Her full twisting double tucks have a huge cowboyed tuck which is nowhere near as good as the tucks Milo and Bontas, two women with supposably much worse form had on the same move. Later in 96 when she was doing a double layout her knees were bent badly.

[lambielkwanfan]

Sure but you make it sound like Gutsu had no form. Her form better then the majority of the gymnasts in Barcelona and very good. Shannon's was a bit better only since it was so exceptional, not because Gutsu's was lacking. I dont remember all this crying from Americans when Moceanu and Dawes and their crummy form, far worse then Gutsu's form, beat Miller for AA U.S titles and other events. I forgot they are fellow Americans and overhyped , so it doesnt matter anymore I guess. *rolls eyes*

[FireDannyAinge]

Gutsu had more difficulty then Miller on beam PERIOD. Miller had just as much on bars (3 release moves to Tatiana's 2) and on floor. Gutsu NEVER hit the split double layout and deserved the deduction she never got.

Miller's presentation and form more then made up for the difficulty Gutsu had over her on ONE event.

[ComtessedeLaFere]

A pirouette over the bar isn't in the same league as a Tkatchev or a Ginger. Gutsu's dismount was a lot harder, she had more amplitude on her releases (Miller usually caught hers with bent elbows), had a more difficult dismount and was swinging with more flow. Gutsu's floor was also more difficult than Miller's (both had a huge step on this event).

Gustus used to have form problems but by 1992, she was great, except maybe on her FTY vault.

I like Miller, but I have no problem with Gutsu's win.

[galveston]

I have a problem with Gutsu's win. She didn't qualify. Remember, she fell in the prelims but the Russian coach lied that Rosa Galeva was injured. She wasn't injured.

[ComtessedeLaFere]

Miller was certainly the gymnast of those Games (after Sherbo of course), but I think it's obvious that I was comparing Gutsu and Miller's performances on that particular evening.

[JLFAN2008]

Well yes: that's exactly what the New Life rule is all about -- i.e. rewarding athletes for their competitive fiber on a given day. Before, there was the Old Life rule -- which rewarded athletes for consistency of performance, throughout several rounds of competition. Miller was without question the *superior* gymnast from that perspective. However, there's no denying that Gutsu was superior in terms of skills and difficulty of routines.

[ants2876]

Miller was not the gymnast of these Games on the female side. Milo and Gutsu each won 2 gold and 4 medals. Miller won 5 medals and 0 golds. 2 golds and 4 medals > 0 golds and 5 medals. As far as personal great achievements, Onodi from tiny Hungary winning a gold and silver, and Lu Li putting China on the map in womens gymnastics with a gold and silver, and Lysenko the 3rd string Russian winning 2 gold and 1 bronze were bigger then Millers not too surprising big medal haul too.

[ComtessedeLaFere]

In that post, I was thinking of consisenty throughout the whole meet, not medals. Gutsu fell in TO, so did Onodi, Lu Li wasn't an AAer, Milo fell in the beam final, Lysenko went OOB twice; that leaves Miller. The poster I was replying to was saying that Miller had had a better competition than Gutsu because of the fall in the team optionals while I was originally speaking of the AA only.

It seems that I comment on the AA, I'm being told I should look at the entire competition and vice-versa! ;)

[ComtessedeLaFere]

oops, missing word, obviously meant "WHEN I comment on the AA..."

[ants2876]

Hehe, ok fair enough. If team scores were carried over like in the old days then yes Miller would have easily won the AA, and Gutsu out of the medals. She loses her bronze on floor in event finals in this case though. Still I see what you mean now, if we count individual performance in team event into overall performance of the games.

By the way Lu Li fell twice on beam in the AA final and had a ton of mistakes, although he was probably capable of only like a 10th or 12th at most.

[Darkangel127]

Amanar competed in the AA replacing a gymnast who wasn't injured, Alexandra Marinescu, not once but twice (1996 Olympics, 1997 Worlds)! Does that make her a lesser gymnast? Does that make her medals any less important? Besides, Gutsu was very close to Galieva even with a fall. Roza could only hope for a top10 finish, she wasn't a medal contender.

[hjaidar]

Actually Roza was a AA contender is just that on team comp. she always was the beginer or the second to go on every event, that's the reason because she got lower scores than Bogui, Lissenko or Gutsu. But she wasn't a known gymnast even I guess that she won the USSR nats in 92 Of course I know that they broke as a country in 91, but she won that comp.

[Darkangel127]

Exactly! She was a relatively unknown gymnast (and that made all the difference in 1992 where everyone had a SV of 10.00), so you could expect her to be underscored by 0.1 for each routine. As much as I like Roza (much more than Tatiana), I don't think she would have made the podium had she competed.

[hjaidar]

It's well known that Alexandrov even thought replacing Boguinskaya but she was too famous and it would have been a huge scandal last thing: AA system score it's quite different from TC, Roza was from the olympic champ unified team aca ex soviets so she was an AA contender.

[sonnysideup123]

tataiana works at my gym

[USAgymnast52]

She came to my gym once because she knows my coach Natalia Kuchinskaya. She is amazing!!!!

[espinaca79]

Is Natalia your Kuchinskaya? SHE was perhaps the epitome of feminism. I lovee her work!

[ADHDmaybeexoxo]

ok soo she was my coach for about 3 years. shes amazing. pure gymnast. she did scare me thoo.she knew technique and form she was the best. amazing

[FireDannyAinge]

Her form was pitaful. Are you blind?

[TuesdayPillow]

I think they are speaking of Kuchinskaya.

[gymnasticsforever95]

in my opininon...instead pof kicking roza galev ut...i wouldve taken tatiana lysenko out from the AA because shes good...but didnt have gold potnetial...and plus she went on t win beam

[grantsherman23]

I think that Lysenko had the potential to win gold, but she was never as consistent as some of the other Soviets. Her routines were extremely difficult though; she was the only Soviet who performed a double-twisting Yurchenko in the team competition.

[selesqueen]

Ridiculous. Lysenko was much more of a contender for then Galieva. Galieva was only the 5th or 6th best Soviet AAer and made it at first not only due to Gutsus fall but also Tshusovotina's fall. She would have had her to hit her best routines on every event to eke into the top 10. Lysenko had potential to medal in the AA had she hit all her routines. Gutsu and Bogi were also major contenders. Galieva didnt have a prayer of an AA medal. She was the logical one to pull.

[xplosive08]

she was great on that olympic,but i dont think that it is fair that she is in aa instead of galieva

[redsoxgirl0280]

i thought she was overscored on floor...should have been at least a tenth or more for that lunge forward...the gold should have been miller's

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

Phenomenal gymnast! I was personally rooting for Henrietta Onodi but Tatiana Gutsu was exhilirating that day.

[sinjinthule]

that really was an awfully impressive AA performance. She had that one big step on her floor mount and the tiny check on her beam mount.

[espinaca79]

That's true but she had more difficulty than anyone. I'd rather chose Miller for the AA title. Shannon was more polished, more consistent and almost matched Gutsu's difficulty.

[sinjinthule]

A fair argument I have to admit. Scoring was too tightly packed in '92 in any event, IMHO. Gutsu & Miller were both outstanding, though.