Hi lucidreverie I think that whilst there is no doubt that what you suggest is true much mythology and religion is an inept attempt to explain the inexplicable and in a way is part of the process of reasoning albeit flawed.
Respectfully: wiki red herring. The topic of the video is NOT whether atheists are more or less moral than theists. It is NOT a scorecard of kills for atheists vs. theists.
The topic of the video is simply that doubting outrageous religious claims has progressed mankind.
5000 years ago, we KNEW that Gods raised the sun daily, so we praised them. Someone doubted that claim, and we have now evolved the amazing field of astronomy.
cmon guys please!! hitler and stalin weren't atheist u could check it on wiki in less then a minute, but u take more time to write stupid things down and thats sad :(
I didnt ask u numbskull just forget it i believe u! stalin and hitler were atheist and had an evil scheme to overthrow an imaginary king...,... for the last time check wiki (that means that u can check for urself cus i already did) and im not asking it for me
I did check your precious Wiki and it has Stalin listed as an atheist and it has a page dedicated to the religion of Hitler ... Which it declared to be an unknown.
You probably shouldn't ask someone to check a source before you do.
I don't trust Wiki in any way but you're the one that asked.
@dex1391 lol man you are such a troll! This guy trolled and got bored with the video this one is responding to and has moved on to this one! What a loser!
@dex1391 If you are so opinionated where are your videos you whining maggot? Why are you feeding off the work of others? Why are you anonymous? WHY DON'T YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE YOU WHINY DICKLESS COWARD? Other peoples are not your platform to harass everyone who disagrees with you. NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Great video Lucid!....@dex; you bring up four recent figures but neglect to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of "figures" that have done much evil in the name of religion.
@dex1391 All those holy wars are totally cool though, right? And all the massacres and killings that were done in the name of religion X. We can just ignore them, act like they never happened. And here's a quote from your Atheist-Wonderboy, Hitler: "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
Why did you only respond to one of my points? What about all of the holy wars that have taken place and still are taking place? What about all the atrocities that have taken place and still are taking place in the name of religion?
The Crusades? September 11th? The witch trials? The use of religion to systematically strip people of their rights throughout history? My point isn't to say that religion is entirely to blame for everything bad in history; it's to show that cherry-picking atheists who did wrong and saying "THIS IS WHY WE NEED RELIGION!" is no better than cherry-picking religious figures who've done wrong and saying "THIS IS WHY RELIGION IS EVIL".
@dex1391 The thing called the crusades YOU DUMB FUCKING IDIOT. It fucked up the middle east enough then that now they want vengeance on us. Not to mention the Spanish Inquisition and Witch Trials. Also Hitler was Christian, he justified his actions in the name of god. Go to school for fucks sake.
@dex1391 Hitler used Christianity to support his actions. And even if Hitler were NOT Christian, the deaths were all in the name of Christ.
The Crusades. 9 central wars and several others from 1200 to 1400.
The Inquisition saw 3000-5000 executions [3-6% of the cases] in 160 years, not including torture.
I rarely use SWT. It was a small town of 550 people that saw 140 accused [25%] and about 30 dead [5%]. Of course America today would see 78 million accused and 15 million dead. Lol.
Hitler wasn't a Christian... That's been established... The deaths were in the name of atheism... 3-5000 executions is pretty messed up... But so is this.
[In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ.]
[Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian.]
His religion aside, Hitler committed the actions IN THE NAME OF Christianity.
Also, Fascism and Communism ARE atheistic, but DO NOT FOLLOW FROM atheism.
@dex1391 I provided QUOTES. Hitler definitively waged his war under the guise of Christianity.
And just because someone is atheistic does NOT make their actions "in the name of atheism". Which is another problem you seem to not understand: One CANNOT wage an action such as a war on a LACK OF belief; it's always some belief that is behind the action.
Of course actions done by an atheist must be shared in the atheist community.
If you blame Christians for the crimes of some Christians... It would be hypocritical to not take the same responsibility for the actions of atheists.
Millions have been murdered in the name of atheism.
@dex1391 "If you blame Christians for the crimes of some Christians... It would be hypocritical to not take the same responsibility for the actions of atheists."
Non-sequitur. Crimes commited in the name of Christianity follow the Christian doctrine and hence blemish it. Atheism, having no doctrine holding it together, is not blemished by crimes commited by atheists. Crimes in the name of Communism blemish Communism. Yet not every atheist is a communist. Fascism, Nihilism, Antitheism, etc.
NO... they don't follow the Christian doctrine. Now you're lying. If you've ever read the communist manifesto you'd know how atheism is used as a tool. Atheist is the belief that there is no God. Millions have been killed in the name of that belief. Atheism does have a doctrine. That doctrine is dangerous.
@dex1391 In fact, they do follow the Christian Doctrine. They "take up swords" for Christ and God. They impliment the punishments DECREED BY GOD. They hold the banner that God is with them.
And atheism, definition: "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". It is NOT a belief. The "belief that there is no God" is called ANTITHEISM ['against God'].
However, assuming that your claim is somehow valid, no doctrine in atheism remotely supports violence. Hence you state a non-sequitur.
@dex1391 Atheism. "a" (without) "theos" (God) "ism" (belief/state)
State without God. At best-for-you, it's "belief without God", which describes an infiinite amount of beliefs, none holding a single doctrinal similarity with any other one.
ALL the "Witch Trials", the Iran-Iraq affair, the Crusades (at least the major nine), the Inquisitions, the Wars of Religion, Terroristic actions such as taken by the KKK and Muslim extremists, and Nazi Germany. Just to list a few.
@dex1391 "The Salem Witch trials were horrible." I said ALL the Witch Trials. That is 40,000 to 60,000 EXECUTED over 250 years on nothing but speculation and superstition. Something that several Abbots independently claimed was superstition and listed in 10th-Century Canonical Law as fictious.
And such political ideas as Communism and Fascism are NOT atheism. Atheists hold no obligation to them or anything else, hence assuming that they do is committing a non-sequitur fallacy.
OK lets go with your numbers... 40-60000 perhaps a bit exaggerated but still no where near the number killed in the name of atheism. The political beliefs of the atheists are irrelevant. They murdered in the name of atheism.
@dex1391 You CAN NOT kill "in the name of" a lack of belief. It is impossible to do so because a "lack of belief" DOES NOT posit any doctrine or belief to be adhered to.
Conceding your definition, it STILL DOES NOT FOLLOW that it was "in the name of atheism" because there is not other doctrine to be held other than "there is no god".
"The political beliefs of the atheists are irrelevant." Not when (FOR A FACT) they ARE THE REASON FOR THE DEATHS. As, with Stalin/Mao/etc, they WERE.
@dex1391 "There's no such thing as a lack of belief. Atheism is a belief." Then what are people in isolated villages that have never heard of any "god"? What is their position?
"I say... I don't have a tail. And I can prove it." You do actually. ALL chordates have a post-anal tail.
"Atheists have the belief that there's no God and they've killed millions in the name of that belief." 'ANTITHEISM' is NOT 'atheism'. Also present ONE case and proof where one killed "IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM".
Of course atheism has a hatred of other religions. Stalin was a great example of this. Over 20 million deaths attributed to his hatred of religion. You don't get a special pass because you're an atheist. You have to stand up to the same ridicule that the rest of us do.
@dex1391 Stalin commited his atrocities IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM. Not "in the name of atheism".
Even in the definition YOU provided [the doctrine or belief that there is no god], "atheism" doesn't have any obligation or decree to entice ANY "hatred of other religions."
Which even more-so demonstrates your argument as fallacious by way of 'non-sequitur' through 'hasty generalization'.
Just because a vegan kills doesn't mean that ALL vegans kill or have an obligation TO kill.
No Stalin killed in the name of atheism. 20 million. If Christianity has to share the blame for those killed by Christians... Atheists have to share the blame for those killed by Atheists. The numbers aren't even close.
@dex1391 If "Stalin killed in the name of atheism" then likewise "Hitler killed in the name of vegetarianism". Non-sequitur argument, specifically "Poisoning the Well" fallacy. Your ignorance isn't going to change facts.
Also, Stalin EXPLICITLY KILLED IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM. [I dare you to make a coherent argument for any vioelnt or harmful act that can be contributed to ALL who don't believe in something AND is based on that not-belief. And fyi, "Against" IS a belief-position.]
Stalin was an atheist and killed in the name of atheism. Hitler was an atheist and killed to eliminate religion.
It's you that knows nothing about communism. The communist manifesto was very specific about religion. It's atheism that's the danger. It has been for decades.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
Adolph Hitler.
Oops. I guess you are the one that needs to go to school.. LOL
Many of these dictators had mustaches. I can easily say mustaches are to blame, rather than atheism.
Hitler wasn't even an atheist, and called upon hatred of the Jews for killing Christ.
Here are some quotes:
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. "
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."
Atheism can not be blamed for anything because it does not assert any belief. Just because a few dictators had something in common does not mean anything. You make that assumption, so I therefore make the assumption it was their mustaches that turned them evil.
You would think that someone who knows everything there is to know about history wouldn't be as naive to put "history" in the stead of "recent history".
Atrocities are recorded more often now, but that doesn't mean they didn't always happen.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse. ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
Adolph Hitler
Do I need to continue? Hitler was NOT a Christian.
eternity in hell or eternity in heaven where 24 "kings" all sit neatly close to god and praise to him for eternity... isnt there a 3rd more cooler eternity (btw dont u think ur god is a lil insecure having people praising him all the time for eternity??) Do you think you would be happy doing that forever, and never doing anything you want?
plus do we still got free will in heaven? plus where is heaven? is it in another dimension or just in the sky like the bible says? Do you know your meaning in life? Or do you think to know what ur place in this world is? Do you think praying helps? Dont you think someone elses prayer might be more important than the one from you? Do you literally believe everything that the bible says? and if not when do u know u should take the bible metaphorically?
No. I am not claiming that any of these men were moral in any way, either.
I am simply saying it's just as likely their mustaches did it as their atheism.
And you said that Hitler used religion to control the masses. If one can use a religion to kill 6 million Jews and countless other minorities, how is that religion worth keeping?
No, mustaches don't tell evil dictators like the ones that I've listed that they can do whatever they want and have no consequences. Atheism does that.
Why is Christianity worth keeping? Because it's the religion of the son of God.
Lots of people think that they're doing Christian work and are very wrong.
Look at Fred Phelps. He claims to be a Christian and has no idea what the bible says.
The people of Germany were duped... But not by the real word of the bible.
Throughout all of history (yes, the same history you know so much about) people have claimed to have been the child of the Creator.
Which one is it? Why not every other religion out there? They all have the same merit and the same amount of evidence supporting them.
Why do you think God would privilege you over everyone else by being born into the "right" religion? Or maybe birth is random. But that means you would have been a Muslim if you were born in Iraq. What happens then?
Hi lucidreverie I think that whilst there is no doubt that what you suggest is true much mythology and religion is an inept attempt to explain the inexplicable and in a way is part of the process of reasoning albeit flawed.
ooglebydoogleby 1 year ago
@ooglebydoogleby
It's not part of the process of reasoning, it's the result of the part of you that doesn't want to reason taking over.
narutofan9999 5 months ago
@dex
Respectfully: wiki red herring. The topic of the video is NOT whether atheists are more or less moral than theists. It is NOT a scorecard of kills for atheists vs. theists.
The topic of the video is simply that doubting outrageous religious claims has progressed mankind.
5000 years ago, we KNEW that Gods raised the sun daily, so we praised them. Someone doubted that claim, and we have now evolved the amazing field of astronomy.
You changed the subject in your very first post.
InLucidReverie 2 years ago
cmon guys please!! hitler and stalin weren't atheist u could check it on wiki in less then a minute, but u take more time to write stupid things down and thats sad :(
MasterMike44 2 years ago
@MasterMike44
The fact that you just asked people to look something up on Wiki makes you look like an idiot.
BUT... LOL since you asked for Wiki
IT STATES THAT STALIN WAS AN ATHEIST.
LMAO...
I'm done with you ... Go away.
dex1391 2 years ago
I didnt ask u numbskull just forget it i believe u! stalin and hitler were atheist and had an evil scheme to overthrow an imaginary king...,... for the last time check wiki (that means that u can check for urself cus i already did) and im not asking it for me
MasterMike44 2 years ago
@MasterMike44
I did check your precious Wiki and it has Stalin listed as an atheist and it has a page dedicated to the religion of Hitler ... Which it declared to be an unknown.
You probably shouldn't ask someone to check a source before you do.
I don't trust Wiki in any way but you're the one that asked.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 lol man you are such a troll! This guy trolled and got bored with the video this one is responding to and has moved on to this one! What a loser!
perchedeagle2 2 years ago 2
@dex1391 If you are so opinionated where are your videos you whining maggot? Why are you feeding off the work of others? Why are you anonymous? WHY DON'T YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE YOU WHINY DICKLESS COWARD? Other peoples are not your platform to harass everyone who disagrees with you. NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
perchedeagle2 2 years ago 4
Fail.
1 star
XXTheMadtruckerXX 2 years ago
You really think that doubting religion ever helped society?
Really?
Lets look at some societies that doubted religion...
Hitler
Pol Pot
Stalin..
Oh yes and Mao-Tse-Tung
I think I'll pass on your Godless societies.
dex1391 2 years ago
Great video Lucid!....@dex; you bring up four recent figures but neglect to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of "figures" that have done much evil in the name of religion.
SecularZone 2 years ago 2
@SecularZone
OK name one...
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 All those holy wars are totally cool though, right? And all the massacres and killings that were done in the name of religion X. We can just ignore them, act like they never happened. And here's a quote from your Atheist-Wonderboy, Hitler: "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
marushimarufo 2 years ago
@marushimarufo
Sigh.... Hitler wasn't a Christian.
He used Christianity to control people.
He was an atheist. There's no doubt of that.
His writings were very clear on that.
Try to keep up.
dex1391 2 years ago
Why did you only respond to one of my points? What about all of the holy wars that have taken place and still are taking place? What about all the atrocities that have taken place and still are taking place in the name of religion?
marushimarufo 2 years ago 2
@marushimarufo
What holy wars? What atrocities?
dex1391 2 years ago
The Crusades? September 11th? The witch trials? The use of religion to systematically strip people of their rights throughout history? My point isn't to say that religion is entirely to blame for everything bad in history; it's to show that cherry-picking atheists who did wrong and saying "THIS IS WHY WE NEED RELIGION!" is no better than cherry-picking religious figures who've done wrong and saying "THIS IS WHY RELIGION IS EVIL".
marushimarufo 2 years ago
@marushimarufo
what about the crusades...?
911 was done by what Muslims call "non believers" in the Koran
Do you know how many women died during the Salem Witch trials? lol
How many people would have been saved if Stalin had found God?
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 The thing called the crusades YOU DUMB FUCKING IDIOT. It fucked up the middle east enough then that now they want vengeance on us. Not to mention the Spanish Inquisition and Witch Trials. Also Hitler was Christian, he justified his actions in the name of god. Go to school for fucks sake.
InvalidUniverse 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
LOL Hitler wasn't a Christian. That was an idiotic statement.
You have no idea what the crusades were.
LOL and what about the Inquisition?
Oh yes... The atheists love to bring up the Salem Witch trials...
Do you know how many women died?
Less than 25!!!
Youre going to compare that to the millions and millions killed by atheists... LOL
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 Hitler used Christianity to support his actions. And even if Hitler were NOT Christian, the deaths were all in the name of Christ.
The Crusades. 9 central wars and several others from 1200 to 1400.
The Inquisition saw 3000-5000 executions [3-6% of the cases] in 160 years, not including torture.
I rarely use SWT. It was a small town of 550 people that saw 140 accused [25%] and about 30 dead [5%]. Of course America today would see 78 million accused and 15 million dead. Lol.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Hitler wasn't a Christian... That's been established... The deaths were in the name of atheism... 3-5000 executions is pretty messed up... But so is this.
# Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
# Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
# Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 10 million plus dead
# Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
# Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
# Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead
Do you really want to compare body counts?
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 Hitler was AT LEAST theistic.
[In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ.]
[Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian.]
His religion aside, Hitler committed the actions IN THE NAME OF Christianity.
Also, Fascism and Communism ARE atheistic, but DO NOT FOLLOW FROM atheism.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Hitler didn't do anything in the name of Christianity. He was an atheist... The entire list was atheist.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 I provided QUOTES. Hitler definitively waged his war under the guise of Christianity.
And just because someone is atheistic does NOT make their actions "in the name of atheism". Which is another problem you seem to not understand: One CANNOT wage an action such as a war on a LACK OF belief; it's always some belief that is behind the action.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Of course actions done by an atheist must be shared in the atheist community.
If you blame Christians for the crimes of some Christians... It would be hypocritical to not take the same responsibility for the actions of atheists.
Millions have been murdered in the name of atheism.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 "If you blame Christians for the crimes of some Christians... It would be hypocritical to not take the same responsibility for the actions of atheists."
Non-sequitur. Crimes commited in the name of Christianity follow the Christian doctrine and hence blemish it. Atheism, having no doctrine holding it together, is not blemished by crimes commited by atheists. Crimes in the name of Communism blemish Communism. Yet not every atheist is a communist. Fascism, Nihilism, Antitheism, etc.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
NO... they don't follow the Christian doctrine. Now you're lying. If you've ever read the communist manifesto you'd know how atheism is used as a tool. Atheist is the belief that there is no God. Millions have been killed in the name of that belief. Atheism does have a doctrine. That doctrine is dangerous.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 In fact, they do follow the Christian Doctrine. They "take up swords" for Christ and God. They impliment the punishments DECREED BY GOD. They hold the banner that God is with them.
And atheism, definition: "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". It is NOT a belief. The "belief that there is no God" is called ANTITHEISM ['against God'].
However, assuming that your claim is somehow valid, no doctrine in atheism remotely supports violence. Hence you state a non-sequitur.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
No that's atheism.
a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
More have died in the name of atheism than in any religion combined. The violence comes from a hatred and ignorance of other religions.
Atheism is extremely dangerous.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 Atheism. "a" (without) "theos" (God) "ism" (belief/state)
State without God. At best-for-you, it's "belief without God", which describes an infiinite amount of beliefs, none holding a single doctrinal similarity with any other one.
ALL the "Witch Trials", the Iran-Iraq affair, the Crusades (at least the major nine), the Inquisitions, the Wars of Religion, Terroristic actions such as taken by the KKK and Muslim extremists, and Nazi Germany. Just to list a few.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Hey that's more than fair. The Salem Witch trials were horrible. The total number killed... 17. Those 17 deaths were attributed to that religion.
However, that number doesn't compare to the millions and millions murdered in the name of atheism.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 "The Salem Witch trials were horrible." I said ALL the Witch Trials. That is 40,000 to 60,000 EXECUTED over 250 years on nothing but speculation and superstition. Something that several Abbots independently claimed was superstition and listed in 10th-Century Canonical Law as fictious.
And such political ideas as Communism and Fascism are NOT atheism. Atheists hold no obligation to them or anything else, hence assuming that they do is committing a non-sequitur fallacy.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
OK lets go with your numbers... 40-60000 perhaps a bit exaggerated but still no where near the number killed in the name of atheism. The political beliefs of the atheists are irrelevant. They murdered in the name of atheism.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 You CAN NOT kill "in the name of" a lack of belief. It is impossible to do so because a "lack of belief" DOES NOT posit any doctrine or belief to be adhered to.
Conceding your definition, it STILL DOES NOT FOLLOW that it was "in the name of atheism" because there is not other doctrine to be held other than "there is no god".
"The political beliefs of the atheists are irrelevant." Not when (FOR A FACT) they ARE THE REASON FOR THE DEATHS. As, with Stalin/Mao/etc, they WERE.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
There's no such thing as a lack of belief. Atheism is a belief.
I wouldn't say that I don't believe I have a tail. I say... I don't have a tail. And I can prove it.
Atheists have the belief that there's no God and they've killed millions in the name of that belief.
dex1391 1 year ago
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@dex1391 "There's no such thing as a lack of belief. Atheism is a belief." Then what are people in isolated villages that have never heard of any "god"? What is their position?
"I say... I don't have a tail. And I can prove it." You do actually. ALL chordates have a post-anal tail.
"Atheists have the belief that there's no God and they've killed millions in the name of that belief." 'ANTITHEISM' is NOT 'atheism'. Also present ONE case and proof where one killed "IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM".
onijester56 1 year ago
[cont]
Of course, you don't have any comprehension of the hatred, ignorance, bigotry, and violence propogated by religions.
Judaic law - homosexuals, magic-users, non-believers, adulterers, fortune-tellers, and much more, deserve death.
Christian law - The above, as well as anyone who doesn't abandon common sense, will be tortured for eternity.
Islamic law - Same as above.
Also, atheism does NOT have ANY say on "hatred...of other religions" so your argument fails that way.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Of course atheism has a hatred of other religions. Stalin was a great example of this. Over 20 million deaths attributed to his hatred of religion. You don't get a special pass because you're an atheist. You have to stand up to the same ridicule that the rest of us do.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 Stalin commited his atrocities IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM. Not "in the name of atheism".
Even in the definition YOU provided [the doctrine or belief that there is no god], "atheism" doesn't have any obligation or decree to entice ANY "hatred of other religions."
Which even more-so demonstrates your argument as fallacious by way of 'non-sequitur' through 'hasty generalization'.
Just because a vegan kills doesn't mean that ALL vegans kill or have an obligation TO kill.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
No Stalin killed in the name of atheism. 20 million. If Christianity has to share the blame for those killed by Christians... Atheists have to share the blame for those killed by Atheists. The numbers aren't even close.
Your special pleading isn't gonna cut it.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 If "Stalin killed in the name of atheism" then likewise "Hitler killed in the name of vegetarianism". Non-sequitur argument, specifically "Poisoning the Well" fallacy. Your ignorance isn't going to change facts.
Also, Stalin EXPLICITLY KILLED IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM. [I dare you to make a coherent argument for any vioelnt or harmful act that can be contributed to ALL who don't believe in something AND is based on that not-belief. And fyi, "Against" IS a belief-position.]
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
No... both of them killed in the name of atheism. Stalin hated religion. Hitler tried to eliminate an entire religion.
This is a fact. It's your ignorance on trial here.
There is no such thing as killing in the name of communism. LOL... communism doesn't have a doctrine... atheism does.
dex1391 1 year ago
@dex1391 Stalin was ANTITHEISTIC. That aside, he KILLED IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM. He saw religion as a threat to his system of power.
Hitler used CHRISTIANITY (a religion) to rally the people against the Jews (another religion).
And you don't know anything about Communism. Read Marx. Or take a high-school government class if Marx is too hard for you to grasp.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56
Stalin was an atheist and killed in the name of atheism. Hitler was an atheist and killed to eliminate religion.
It's you that knows nothing about communism. The communist manifesto was very specific about religion. It's atheism that's the danger. It has been for decades.
The body count isn't even close...
dex1391 1 year ago
@InvalidUniverse
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
Adolph Hitler.
Oops. I guess you are the one that needs to go to school.. LOL
dex1391 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
Here's what your atheists have done...
# Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
# Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
# Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 10 million plus dead
# Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
# Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
# Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead
You do the math and add these up. I don't have the stomach for it.
dex1391 2 years ago
Nice trolling, seriously go take a fucking history class.
InvalidUniverse 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
Yes I know... Insult me after being proven wrong. Typical response.
Grow up and take your lumps.
dex1391 2 years ago
Many of these dictators had mustaches. I can easily say mustaches are to blame, rather than atheism.
Hitler wasn't even an atheist, and called upon hatred of the Jews for killing Christ.
Here are some quotes:
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. "
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."
Take YOUR lumps.
WecksyRex 2 years ago 3
@WecksyRex
Hitler was raised Catholic and used Christianity to control the German people but his private writings were very specific. He was atheist.
You like Hitler quotes? I have many from his private writings.
Those lovelies were him lying in public.
Oh you don't think that Hitler would lie?
dex1391 2 years ago
You miss the point entirely.
Atheism can not be blamed for anything because it does not assert any belief. Just because a few dictators had something in common does not mean anything. You make that assumption, so I therefore make the assumption it was their mustaches that turned them evil.
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
I'm not blaming atheism. An ism can't hurt anything It's just a belief system.
I only judge the people that believe in the ism's.
And those atheists were the worst monsters in history.
dex1391 2 years ago
You would think that someone who knows everything there is to know about history wouldn't be as naive to put "history" in the stead of "recent history".
Atrocities are recorded more often now, but that doesn't mean they didn't always happen.
WecksyRex 2 years ago 2
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"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
Adolph Hitler
dex1391 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
Adolph Hitler
dex1391 2 years ago
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse. ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.
dex1391 2 years ago
ow and i suppose you feel the same way about the mighty lord flying spaghettimonster?? if so no meatballheaven for u matey har har har
MasterMike44 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
Adolph Hitler
Do I need to continue? Hitler was NOT a Christian.
dex1391 2 years ago
Do I need to repeat myself? You miss the point. There is nothing that shows any link between atheism and immorality.
WecksyRex 2 years ago 2
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There's nothing that links atheism and immorality? Can you say that with a straight face?
How about this link?
# Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
# Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
# Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 10 million plus dead
# Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
# Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
# Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead
dex1391 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
Now... take all those millions that have died at the hands of those atheists and consider that less than 10% of the planet is atheist.
Would the number double if 20% became atheist?
dex1391 2 years ago
Did you read my response or what?
I said there is no evidence of a link between atheism and immorality.
Hitler, Stalin, Castro, etc all had mustaches.
Why is wearing a mustache not immoral?
WecksyRex 2 years ago 2
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Their link is their belief that there is no God. They felt that they could do whatever they wanted and had no one to answer to.
I just wish that I could have been there to see the look on their faces when they found out that they'll spend the rest of eternity in hell.
Hitler was such a coward that he commuted suicide to escape judgment.
You better hope that I'm right and that there is a God and that he did get judged for his crimes.
dex1391 2 years ago
Again, you are asserting this. There is no evidence for it.
How do you know they did it because of their atheism? Are you Hitler or Stalin?
If so, I think we have a problem.
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
Actually there is evidence for this. It's in their writing. Hitler was very specific about his beliefs.
There's no doubt that he felt that he was escaping judgment when he took the cowards way out and killed himself.
As a Christian I'm not supposed to hate my fellow man but I can't help to feel good that Hitler and Stalin are in hell.
They're just waiting for their new playmate, Bin Laden.
dex1391 2 years ago
eternity in hell or eternity in heaven where 24 "kings" all sit neatly close to god and praise to him for eternity... isnt there a 3rd more cooler eternity (btw dont u think ur god is a lil insecure having people praising him all the time for eternity??) Do you think you would be happy doing that forever, and never doing anything you want?
MasterMike44 2 years ago
plus do we still got free will in heaven? plus where is heaven? is it in another dimension or just in the sky like the bible says? Do you know your meaning in life? Or do you think to know what ur place in this world is? Do you think praying helps? Dont you think someone elses prayer might be more important than the one from you? Do you literally believe everything that the bible says? and if not when do u know u should take the bible metaphorically?
MasterMike44 2 years ago
I know u might be offended by my questions but these are real questions where i dont have the answers to.
Could u please help me with this even though i dont believe?? thanks in advance!
MasterMike44 2 years ago
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MasterMike44 2 years ago
@MasterMike44
They were atheist. You need to learn your history.
dex1391 2 years ago
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MasterMike44 2 years ago
@MasterMike44
NO you idiot. I said that they were atheists. More people have been killed by atheists than by any religion...
# Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
# Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
# Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 10 million plus dead
# Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
# Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
# Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead
There's the facts...
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 You're a fucking dumbass, learn your history before you make retarded comments.
InvalidUniverse 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
I know the history. I do appreciate the profanity. It proves what I've heard about atheists.
Very childish...
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 Aha I'll let you burn up in your own irony and arrogance. It's a shame that karma is only a nice concept.
InvalidUniverse 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
Did an atheist just call someone else arrogant? LOL...
Hello pot here's the kettle...
dex1391 2 years ago
He may be arrogant, but so are you.
Hypocrisy is frowned upon by most societies.
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
I'm not arrogant. I just know and understand history.
dex1391 2 years ago
What you meant to say was, "I'm not arrogant, I just know more than everyone who disagrees with me."
WecksyRex 2 years ago 2
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If you disagree with the truth then yes... I know more than you...
That's not arrogant it's just fact.
dex1391 2 years ago
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
While we both believe we are correct, claiming to know more in an argument is just condescending.
There is no reason for it, and it only hints at the insecurity of the person who says it.
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
There's a lot that I believe. I can be humble about my beliefs.
But I KNOW that all those people died. That is a historical fact.
You're not one of those crazies that claim that the holocaust never happened are you?
dex1391 2 years ago
No. I am not claiming that any of these men were moral in any way, either.
I am simply saying it's just as likely their mustaches did it as their atheism.
And you said that Hitler used religion to control the masses. If one can use a religion to kill 6 million Jews and countless other minorities, how is that religion worth keeping?
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
No, mustaches don't tell evil dictators like the ones that I've listed that they can do whatever they want and have no consequences. Atheism does that.
Why is Christianity worth keeping? Because it's the religion of the son of God.
Lots of people think that they're doing Christian work and are very wrong.
Look at Fred Phelps. He claims to be a Christian and has no idea what the bible says.
The people of Germany were duped... But not by the real word of the bible.
dex1391 2 years ago
How do you know Christianity is the religion of the son of God?
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@WecksyRex
How do I know that Christianity is the religion of the son of God?
Are you serious?
If it's not Christianity... Which one is it?
Last I knew Jesus was the only one to ever make that claim.
dex1391 2 years ago
Throughout all of history (yes, the same history you know so much about) people have claimed to have been the child of the Creator.
Which one is it? Why not every other religion out there? They all have the same merit and the same amount of evidence supporting them.
Why do you think God would privilege you over everyone else by being born into the "right" religion? Or maybe birth is random. But that means you would have been a Muslim if you were born in Iraq. What happens then?
WecksyRex 2 years ago
@dex1391 Thank you for furthering my point.
InvalidUniverse 2 years ago
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dex1391 2 years ago
@InvalidUniverse
My apologies for my last comment invalid.
I thought your comment was an attack.
I'm tired of these atheists trying to rewrite history.
dex1391 2 years ago
WHAAAAT!!! haha Na I would never do that in real life!
bananabread119 2 years ago
Hah nice.
pretecsh 2 years ago