2:11- God I was so confused for a moment there. When you put it that it makes it sound like eating a carrot will magically make you smart! that confused the fuck out of me. "What the hell could there possibly be in a single serving of vegetable that could make you so intelligent?! That's just bullshit" Then I read the next counter paragraph which makes so much more sense. Learning new skills and becoming goo d at them will of course prompt learning which will make you intelligent. :)
I find it truly hilarious that a lot of those arguments PETA used were actually self-defeating. The one on my mind because it was one of the most recent was how the great apes and our ancestors ate the occasional rat or bug. Why, PETA, you just said that eating meat was perfectly natural! Thank you for winning the argument for us omnivores. n_n
Maybe its the lack of meaty goodness that has left our vegetarian friends with brain deficiencies that dont allow them to see the facts.
I saw one guy claiming that Adam and Eve never ate meat so therefore we are herbivores...but hold up..science has proven that life has existed for millions of years, not the 10 000 or so years that religions says life has existed.
Good videos man, im sick of PETA and other tossers talking crap.
I would like to point out that PeTA also got the dates of the beginning of the agricultural revolution was. The earliest dates for the agricultural revolution are about 8000 to 6000 BCE which 10,000 to 8,000 years ago. not 23,000 years ago, which is when they say that agriculture started.
They also ignore that at this time was also when animals were domesticated (for meat, among other things)
I really love the fact that you used actual, honest-to-goodness facts in these videos.
They made me love you.
Marry me? *shot*
But seriously, my friend and I have been so angry with PeTA. Originally, I had NO idea what PeTA was, then she started doing a report on it, and I got pulled in head first. I also got into this every since a 'Vegitarian' [though I think she was a Veg*n] got all on my case and called most humans horrible monsters for eating meat.
I'm not sure how dystopian a world ruled by PETA-minded people would be, but it sure wouldn't be utopian. I want to croak every time some starry-eyed idealist proclaims that if we only outlawed meat, every societal problem in the world would just go away.
@Raphinater The book or the actual study? The study itself doesn't support the conclusions that T. Colin Campbell drew from them. Denise at Raw Food SOS (rawfoodsos(dot)com) has some excellent posts on it.
If we aren't omnivores, why does almost every human being on this planet posses a set of canine teeth? Those are designed for cutting through tough meats!
Almost all mammals have them, humans as well, but not as good as an actual carnivore's canines. Ours are quite flattened and dull.
Look, if you don't believe me that we are herbivores even though proof is everywhere, try going out to kill a wolf with your bare hands, and then eating the skin, blood, flesh and organs directly like a carnivore would. Time how long it takes till' you puke and get sick. (+Rapidly decaying flesh makes you even sicker once it enters.)
Uuhhh Human beings are capable of eating raw meat. Seafoods, beef products. We're not hunting animals however, we're scavengers, hence why we have no adaptive hunting tools such as claws or longer teeth.
Our teeth are similar to a Chimps and other apes; who are also omnivores. It's also the reason we've adapted to so many different climates. We can survive on a variety of different foods where a herbivore is limited. How else can you explain people living in cold climates and deserts?
(And don't give me any shit like "Omg it's just wiki, it's fake and made up!", just freaking read it all and use your noggin a little. All of the facts stated there can be researched further by you if in doubt.)
The "proof" cherrypicks quite a bit. It leaves out stuff like the fact that the guts of true herbivores contain gut flora that digest cellulose. Omnivores and carnivores do not have this feature - and neither do humans.
Our stomach acidity is actually 2-3. Less than carns, but more than herbs. Omni, maybe?
Our intestines are about 9 meters long. That's around 5 times our body length, not 10. 5x well within carn/omnivore proportions.
How do you know what animals supposed to eat? There's no full carnivorous mammal. Only panthers(big cats) are, but even they eat some herbs sometimes. Canids are omnivores, but they prefer meat.
Parrots have claws to, but they are mostly herbivores. How about pandas? Bears are usually omnivores but pandas prefer bamboo.
We're also hunting animals actually, but we're not exactly scavengers. Half rotten meet isn't exactly good for us. We do not require no canines claws to hunt, simple persistence hunting will do the trick, since we're natural runners.
riddle me this, if humans are true herbivores, how come my body can digest meat just fine? if we are true herbivores, why would people even have the desire to eat meat. Funny you should mention evidence, from comparison of body anatomy to archeological evidences, they all clearly indicates humans are omnivores, being like that for a long long time now, don't just cherry pick the evidences you want to see. Be glad we are omnivores, that means you get to choose, vegi, meat or both.
Update! Med Hypotheses. 2007;69(5):1147-53.homo hypothalamic hypometabolism (H(3)) theory: reduced growth and delayed sexual maturation, mediated by the hypothalamus and its endocrine effectors, offset the energetic costs of increased encephalization in humans.
Primate (especially human) lineage underwent accelerated evolutionary pressure to be smart. ASPM gene was recently linked to brain size increase. Jan, 2004, Human Molecular Genetics. Nutrients for brain growth are all in breast milk.
No nutritional requirement for meat has been established. Meat is inconsistently obtained by some chimps in a complex courting ritual, depleted habitat, dry season, to establish hierarchy among chimp cultures. Some chimps use stolen (non-native) papaya for similar cultural rituals.
Fruit is digested best for all great apes, including humans. u can consume meat if u want, it just causes digestive problems though...
While it IS possible for many humans to get a balanced diet comprised of plant foods these days, bear in mind that the modern vegetarian diet relies on plant cultivars that did not exist before the age of agriculture. The wild, original plants were much smaller and lower in calories, not enough to sustain meandering human tribes. (Gorillas get more calories by digesting cellulose.)
Also, chimpanzees take in substantial quantities of meat in the form of insects. You can't ignore that.
If u don't imbalance a diet, why try to balance it? If u have rich, organic soil and fresh/ripe various fruits/sprouts/greens, what are u trying to balance? There are NO widespread nutritional deficiencies among wild chimp populations.
Deficiency diseases have not been identified for any wild primate population (Kerr 1972, Wolf 1972). BioScience, Volume 28, Pages 761-766, 1978.
For one thing, trying to determine what a human should eat based on what a chimpanzee eats is fallacious. Although chimpanzees and humans are both apes, they are extremely different from each other in many different ways.
Even though an animal may not eat a *lot* of meat, you can't discount the small amount that they do eat. It was discovered that marmosets were unable to breed without insects in their diet, and in the wild they only eat insects by accident.
@SyeraMiktayee 'trying to determine what a human should eat based on what a chimpanzee eats is fallackious'
Thank you. In natural breast milk of average human there is 1% protein. In chimps there is 2.8% protein. You are correct, there is no reason to believe humans require more protein than chimps swinging on branches 100ft high with 7 times the strength of humans. Humans require proportionately LESS protein, as you allude to this fact. Excess protein contributes to degenerative diseases.
'chimpanzees take in substantial quantities of meat'
About 2% on avg. All herbivorous animals consume some bugs.
There is no evidence that meat is needed for normal pregnancy or nursing (Goodall, 1986, Stanford 1998)
'plants were much smaller and lower in calories'
It is true humans are more obese now and take more growth hormones and have increased the amount consumed but there is no shortage of food in natural habitat that isn't overpopulated.
"Without routine access to ASF, it is highly unlikely that evolving humans could have achieved their unusually large and complex brain while simultaneously continuing their evolutionary trajectory as large, active and highly social primates. As human evolution progressed, young children in particular, with their rapidly expanding large brain and high metabolic and nutritional demands relative to adults would have benefited from volumetrically concentrated, high quality foods such as meat."
0.6 grams of daily brain growth, we can see that in terms of nutrient makeup, this would consist of 0.47 grams of water, 0.059 grams of protein, 0.056 grams of fat, and 0.0084 grams of ash. This trivial nutrient requirement is, of course, easily met by human breast milk during the period of maximum growth rate"-Debunking A Popular Meat Eating Theory
by J S Coleman
But this won't phase you. You'll imagine another reason for consuming excess protein..
I never said anything about protein requirements. The meat would have provided extra energy for the brain to use. Today, that energy can be more easily supplied by our modern cultivars, which we have selectively bred to be larger, better-tasting, and easier to chew.
Both protein and fats can be burned as energy, and both are very efficient sources of energy. The brain itself does burn glucose, but this is no problem: the energy from fat would mean that there was more glucose left over for the brain, and in cases where glucose is not directly available, it can be made from protein via gluconeogenesis.
You say there was no shortage of energy from plant foods during the Miocene epoch. Would you mind sharing which types of fruits/nuts were available?
@SyeraMiktayee 0.6 grams of daily brain growth, we can see in terms of nutrient makeup, this would consist of 0.47 grams of water, 0.059 grams of protein, 0.056 grams of fat, and 0.0084 grams of ash. This trivial nutrient requirement is, of course, easily met by human breast milk during the period of maximum growth rate-Debunking A Popular Meat Eating Theory by J S Coleman
Read how humans synthesize DHA & EPA. AJCN, Vol. 82,(2), 327-334, 2005
I can't believe I didn't catch this earlier, but it was early in the morning...
In the Miocene epoch, which ended 5.33 MYA, there were no humans. There were non-human primates, whose physiologies were much different from our own. Homo ergaster, an ancestor of ours that we knew ate meat, lived 1.9 MYA.
'Miocene epoch, which ended 5.33 MYA, there were no humans'
And to this day humans digest fruit best... No digestive overhaul has reversed the frugivorous digestive system of H. sapiens or ANY extant great ape. Color vision was also established while co-evolving w/plant diets. The ice age (over now) didn't reverse these genetic instructions.
'different from our own'
And that difference is expressed in the slight anatomical differences and less in biochemical digestion.
If humans are indeed true frugivores, then answer these:
1: In other apes, the appendix serves as a means to digest tough seeds from the fruits they eat. In humans, the appendix no longer functions. If we are frugivores, why didn't natural selection keep this organ?
2: The human digestive tract contains heme receptors - receptors that only absorb iron from BLOOD and BLOOD alone. Humans absorb iron from blood more easily than any other source. If we are frugivores, why is this the case?
Ok, finally... Now that the human meat-consuming encephalization theory has been debunked (again)... There is no single class of food that caused human brain growth. Human brain growth is a function of genetic instructios/adaptations of increased selective pressure for intelligence w/reproductive advantage.
Now I can go down the list and debunk more myths for adapting to meat...
Keep in mind real food does not CAUSE disease, it prevents disease for ALL species...
'function of the mammalian cecal appendix as a safe-house for symbiotic gut microbes, preserving the flora during times of gastrointestinal infection in societies without modern medicine.- a selective force for the evolution and maintenance of the appendix, and provides an impetus for reassessment of the evolution of the appendix and has been maintained in mammalian evolution for 80 million years or longer.12 Aug 2009 European Society for Evolutionary Biology
All mammals can absorb heme iron, the problem is precisely the fact that heme is absorbed in humans without regulation. All herbivores have an iron witholding system (as do humans). Alzheimer's, gout, cancer, diabetes, etc are associated w/too much iron. Red meat is particularly toxic in that it has excess heme iron which is not digested but as you say merely 'absorbed' without regulation.
Too much iron is not usually a problem unless people are consuming large quantities of acidic foodstuffs prepared in iron cookware, or in cases where the soil is unusually rich in iron.
@SyeraMiktayee heme iron in red meat can promote carcinogenesis because it increases cell proliferation in the mucosa, through lipoperoxidation and/or cytotoxicity of fecal water. Nutr Cancer. 2008 Mar;60(2):131-44.
heme iron acts as a pro-oxidant, causing LDL to react with oxygen. This reaction is involved in the formation of plaques and increases one's risk of cardiovascular problems. Ascherio. Dietary iron intake and risk of coronary disease among men. Circulation 1994; 89:969-74
Most of this video got me really heated because PETA claims that a meat diet causes kidney stones? I became a vegetarian for a year and during that year I was the most unhealthy I had ever been and I developed kidney stones at 25. The same thing happened to my friend when he briefly became veg. Two doctors and a urologist concluded that they were caused by the increased amount of calcium oxalate that is abundant in things like eggs, spinach, sweet potatoes, soy, and other vegetables.
Not to mention they claim that the introduction of meat into asia is causing them to be unhealthier? It's actually the exact opposite there is a reason why asians were known to be short and skinny in the past and now they have people like Yao Ming (just being fecisious). Also how do you explain places like Italy and Japan who have almost no vegans and have little heart disease and some of the longest life expectancies in the world? I really hate people that sway the truth.
Colloquially, omnivore means: Consuming meat and plants. Technically, 'omnivore' would indicate food from more than one class. Scientifically, 'omnivore' is meaningless because any animal can consume food from more than one class of course. Biochemically, meat and fruit are NOT digested equally. Meat contributes to digestive disorders and diseases while fruit is negatively associated with the same meat diseases using opposing digestive processes. Science requires classification not popular vote.
"An omnivore is a kind of animal that eats either other animals or plants. Some omnivores will hunt and eat their food, like carnivores, eating herbivores and other omnivores. Some others are scavengers and will eat dead matter. Many will eat eggs from other animals
Animals are not classified as 'omnivore' just as humans are not classified as 'omnivore or vegetarian', etc. A scientific classification involves lists of criteria/hard data either met or not met to separate the species. No such list exists for 'omnivore'. 'Omnivore' is a sociological phenomenon whereby people choose to consume meat, nothing more. There is NO meat-eating imperative for humans. Any animal can consume meat. So? Humans digest fruit best.
Meat & fruit are NOT digested equally. Meat requires opposing digestive processes to fruit ie intestinal tone, ph, bacterial flora, etc. Meat absorption processes cause digestive diseases & reduces further nutrient absorption ie divertiular, hemorrhoids, autoimmune diseases, cancer, gall/kidney stones etc. via molecular mimicry, acidosis, mucous accumulation, biochemical incompatibility, excess protein/constipation, etc. There is a type of food that is "THE highest quality."
hunting binges occur especially when there were females chimpanzees w/sexual swellings
While scavenging is a frequently posited mode of getting meat for ancestors, wild chimpanzees (particularly males who do most hunting) show little interest in dead animals as food source.
the role that hunting played in early hominids' social lives was probably as complex & politically charged as it is in chimpanzees.
Yes, even some chimps consume meat for social reasons over nutrition (as H. corpus).
I really hate how science has become the unwilling slave of political crap. Everytime somebody wants to believe something they'll parade around their host of "experts" and dump twisted facts all over the "uneducated" masses.
You should've mentioned the lack of exercise of most modern day humans. Because of it we're more likely to get cardiovascular diseases from built up fat than say a lion that has to run down its meal, and in doing so effectively burns any extra fat.
I feel compelled to point out that the phrase, "foods like potatoes" means foods similar to potatoes; not potatoes themselves. To include potatoes in the foods you are talking about, you'd say, "foods such as potatoes".
Also, I wonder where PETA got their estimate for the age of Homo sapiens. The estimates I've seen have been more like 200,000 - 250,000 years ago. And the estimate of the age of agriculture seems way off too. The figure I've seen quite a few times is ~10,000 years ago.
Could be, but the way it was worded sounded to me like they were talking about actual potatoes. Most people I know would think you were talking about actual potatoes if you worded it that way, too. Maybe it's a regional dialect thing. Or maybe... well, someone *did* once publish a book claiming that the ancient Irish worshiped a potato goddess...
2:11- God I was so confused for a moment there. When you put it that it makes it sound like eating a carrot will magically make you smart! that confused the fuck out of me. "What the hell could there possibly be in a single serving of vegetable that could make you so intelligent?! That's just bullshit" Then I read the next counter paragraph which makes so much more sense. Learning new skills and becoming goo d at them will of course prompt learning which will make you intelligent. :)
animabi 11 months ago
Fkn legend ! M8
Realnofriendofbush 11 months ago
I find it truly hilarious that a lot of those arguments PETA used were actually self-defeating. The one on my mind because it was one of the most recent was how the great apes and our ancestors ate the occasional rat or bug. Why, PETA, you just said that eating meat was perfectly natural! Thank you for winning the argument for us omnivores. n_n
xXRyukoXx 1 year ago
PETA- people eating tasty animals
chongfa209 1 year ago 4
Finally, a sane individual that uploads videos to YouTube.
joe848484 1 year ago
Maybe its the lack of meaty goodness that has left our vegetarian friends with brain deficiencies that dont allow them to see the facts.
I saw one guy claiming that Adam and Eve never ate meat so therefore we are herbivores...but hold up..science has proven that life has existed for millions of years, not the 10 000 or so years that religions says life has existed.
Good videos man, im sick of PETA and other tossers talking crap.
nuwuck 1 year ago
All very excellent arguments on your part!
anthrocrane 1 year ago
I would like to point out that PeTA also got the dates of the beginning of the agricultural revolution was. The earliest dates for the agricultural revolution are about 8000 to 6000 BCE which 10,000 to 8,000 years ago. not 23,000 years ago, which is when they say that agriculture started.
They also ignore that at this time was also when animals were domesticated (for meat, among other things)
AngelnoYami 1 year ago
We don't always cook our meat. I love steak tartar:)
11visionary11 2 years ago
*Sigh* Once again, whatever helps you sleep at night.
lunei66 2 years ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night, murderer.
lunei66 2 years ago
I really love the fact that you used actual, honest-to-goodness facts in these videos.
They made me love you.
Marry me? *shot*
But seriously, my friend and I have been so angry with PeTA. Originally, I had NO idea what PeTA was, then she started doing a report on it, and I got pulled in head first. I also got into this every since a 'Vegitarian' [though I think she was a Veg*n] got all on my case and called most humans horrible monsters for eating meat.
Tis helping me write a dystopian novel.
XXLightwindXX 2 years ago
I'm not sure how dystopian a world ruled by PETA-minded people would be, but it sure wouldn't be utopian. I want to croak every time some starry-eyed idealist proclaims that if we only outlawed meat, every societal problem in the world would just go away.
If only it were that easy!
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee what do you think of the china study?
Raphinater 1 year ago
@Raphinater The book or the actual study? The study itself doesn't support the conclusions that T. Colin Campbell drew from them. Denise at Raw Food SOS (rawfoodsos(dot)com) has some excellent posts on it.
SyeraMiktayee 1 year ago
@SyeraMiktayee what does the actual study say than?
Raphinater 1 year ago
Saying we are omnivores is just plain ignorant. Do some fucking research you Neanderthals.
lunei66 2 years ago
If we aren't omnivores, why does almost every human being on this planet posses a set of canine teeth? Those are designed for cutting through tough meats!
angrypufferfish 2 years ago
Almost all mammals have them, humans as well, but not as good as an actual carnivore's canines. Ours are quite flattened and dull.
Look, if you don't believe me that we are herbivores even though proof is everywhere, try going out to kill a wolf with your bare hands, and then eating the skin, blood, flesh and organs directly like a carnivore would. Time how long it takes till' you puke and get sick. (+Rapidly decaying flesh makes you even sicker once it enters.)
lunei66 2 years ago
Uuhhh Human beings are capable of eating raw meat. Seafoods, beef products. We're not hunting animals however, we're scavengers, hence why we have no adaptive hunting tools such as claws or longer teeth.
Our teeth are similar to a Chimps and other apes; who are also omnivores. It's also the reason we've adapted to so many different climates. We can survive on a variety of different foods where a herbivore is limited. How else can you explain people living in cold climates and deserts?
angrypufferfish 2 years ago
Just how carnivores are capable of eating vegetables and fruit, but that doesn't mean they are supposed to.
By the way, scavengers DO have claws/sharp teeth.
Here you have some common sense/knowledge regarding you/me/humans:
wiki[dut]answers[dut]com/Q/Are_humans_omnivores_or_herbivores
(And don't give me any shit like "Omg it's just wiki, it's fake and made up!", just freaking read it all and use your noggin a little. All of the facts stated there can be researched further by you if in doubt.)
lunei66 2 years ago
The "proof" cherrypicks quite a bit. It leaves out stuff like the fact that the guts of true herbivores contain gut flora that digest cellulose. Omnivores and carnivores do not have this feature - and neither do humans.
Our stomach acidity is actually 2-3. Less than carns, but more than herbs. Omni, maybe?
Our intestines are about 9 meters long. That's around 5 times our body length, not 10. 5x well within carn/omnivore proportions.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
How do you know what animals supposed to eat? There's no full carnivorous mammal. Only panthers(big cats) are, but even they eat some herbs sometimes. Canids are omnivores, but they prefer meat.
Parrots have claws to, but they are mostly herbivores. How about pandas? Bears are usually omnivores but pandas prefer bamboo.
You are what you can eat.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
We're also hunting animals actually, but we're not exactly scavengers. Half rotten meet isn't exactly good for us. We do not require no canines claws to hunt, simple persistence hunting will do the trick, since we're natural runners.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
@lunei66
riddle me this, if humans are true herbivores, how come my body can digest meat just fine? if we are true herbivores, why would people even have the desire to eat meat. Funny you should mention evidence, from comparison of body anatomy to archeological evidences, they all clearly indicates humans are omnivores, being like that for a long long time now, don't just cherry pick the evidences you want to see. Be glad we are omnivores, that means you get to choose, vegi, meat or both.
kk207 1 year ago
Greater dietary heme-iron intake and/or supplemental iron were associated w/ increased risk of Type 2 diabetes -Diabetologia,47,(2) Feb, 2004
Positive associations were also observed between type 2 diabetes and red meat -Arch Internal Med. 2004;164:2235.
Fruit enhances insulin response.
Fruit and vegetable intake may be inversely associated w/diabetes incidence. -Prev Med Jan 2001
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Update! Med Hypotheses. 2007;69(5):1147-53.homo hypothalamic hypometabolism (H(3)) theory: reduced growth and delayed sexual maturation, mediated by the hypothalamus and its endocrine effectors, offset the energetic costs of increased encephalization in humans.
Primate (especially human) lineage underwent accelerated evolutionary pressure to be smart. ASPM gene was recently linked to brain size increase. Jan, 2004, Human Molecular Genetics. Nutrients for brain growth are all in breast milk.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
No nutritional requirement for meat has been established. Meat is inconsistently obtained by some chimps in a complex courting ritual, depleted habitat, dry season, to establish hierarchy among chimp cultures. Some chimps use stolen (non-native) papaya for similar cultural rituals.
Fruit is digested best for all great apes, including humans. u can consume meat if u want, it just causes digestive problems though...
Chrisisms 2 years ago
While it IS possible for many humans to get a balanced diet comprised of plant foods these days, bear in mind that the modern vegetarian diet relies on plant cultivars that did not exist before the age of agriculture. The wild, original plants were much smaller and lower in calories, not enough to sustain meandering human tribes. (Gorillas get more calories by digesting cellulose.)
Also, chimpanzees take in substantial quantities of meat in the form of insects. You can't ignore that.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
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Chrisisms 2 years ago
'get a balanced diet'
If u don't imbalance a diet, why try to balance it? If u have rich, organic soil and fresh/ripe various fruits/sprouts/greens, what are u trying to balance? There are NO widespread nutritional deficiencies among wild chimp populations.
Deficiency diseases have not been identified for any wild primate population (Kerr 1972, Wolf 1972). BioScience, Volume 28, Pages 761-766, 1978.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
For one thing, trying to determine what a human should eat based on what a chimpanzee eats is fallacious. Although chimpanzees and humans are both apes, they are extremely different from each other in many different ways.
Even though an animal may not eat a *lot* of meat, you can't discount the small amount that they do eat. It was discovered that marmosets were unable to breed without insects in their diet, and in the wild they only eat insects by accident.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee 'trying to determine what a human should eat based on what a chimpanzee eats is fallackious'
Thank you. In natural breast milk of average human there is 1% protein. In chimps there is 2.8% protein. You are correct, there is no reason to believe humans require more protein than chimps swinging on branches 100ft high with 7 times the strength of humans. Humans require proportionately LESS protein, as you allude to this fact. Excess protein contributes to degenerative diseases.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
'chimpanzees take in substantial quantities of meat'
About 2% on avg. All herbivorous animals consume some bugs.
There is no evidence that meat is needed for normal pregnancy or nursing (Goodall, 1986, Stanford 1998)
'plants were much smaller and lower in calories'
It is true humans are more obese now and take more growth hormones and have increased the amount consumed but there is no shortage of food in natural habitat that isn't overpopulated.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
"Without routine access to ASF, it is highly unlikely that evolving humans could have achieved their unusually large and complex brain while simultaneously continuing their evolutionary trajectory as large, active and highly social primates. As human evolution progressed, young children in particular, with their rapidly expanding large brain and high metabolic and nutritional demands relative to adults would have benefited from volumetrically concentrated, high quality foods such as meat."
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
-Katharine Milton, The Critical Role Played by Animal Source Foods in Human (Homo) Evolution, 2003.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
ASF = animal source foods.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
0.6 grams of daily brain growth, we can see that in terms of nutrient makeup, this would consist of 0.47 grams of water, 0.059 grams of protein, 0.056 grams of fat, and 0.0084 grams of ash. This trivial nutrient requirement is, of course, easily met by human breast milk during the period of maximum growth rate"-Debunking A Popular Meat Eating Theory
by J S Coleman
But this won't phase you. You'll imagine another reason for consuming excess protein..
Humans are frugivores.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
I never said anything about protein requirements. The meat would have provided extra energy for the brain to use. Today, that energy can be more easily supplied by our modern cultivars, which we have selectively bred to be larger, better-tasting, and easier to chew.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
'I never said anything about protein requirements. The meat would have provided extra energy for the brain to use'
In the form of fat or carbs? Please be specific. Thank you.
There was no shortage of 'energy' during the Miocene epoch and there is no shortage of 'energy' today for humans either...
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Both protein and fats can be burned as energy, and both are very efficient sources of energy. The brain itself does burn glucose, but this is no problem: the energy from fat would mean that there was more glucose left over for the brain, and in cases where glucose is not directly available, it can be made from protein via gluconeogenesis.
You say there was no shortage of energy from plant foods during the Miocene epoch. Would you mind sharing which types of fruits/nuts were available?
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee 0.6 grams of daily brain growth, we can see in terms of nutrient makeup, this would consist of 0.47 grams of water, 0.059 grams of protein, 0.056 grams of fat, and 0.0084 grams of ash. This trivial nutrient requirement is, of course, easily met by human breast milk during the period of maximum growth rate-Debunking A Popular Meat Eating Theory by J S Coleman
Read how humans synthesize DHA & EPA. AJCN, Vol. 82,(2), 327-334, 2005
'Brain-starved' ppl may now resume natural diets.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
I can't believe I didn't catch this earlier, but it was early in the morning...
In the Miocene epoch, which ended 5.33 MYA, there were no humans. There were non-human primates, whose physiologies were much different from our own. Homo ergaster, an ancestor of ours that we knew ate meat, lived 1.9 MYA.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
'Miocene epoch, which ended 5.33 MYA, there were no humans'
And to this day humans digest fruit best... No digestive overhaul has reversed the frugivorous digestive system of H. sapiens or ANY extant great ape. Color vision was also established while co-evolving w/plant diets. The ice age (over now) didn't reverse these genetic instructions.
'different from our own'
And that difference is expressed in the slight anatomical differences and less in biochemical digestion.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
If humans are indeed true frugivores, then answer these:
1: In other apes, the appendix serves as a means to digest tough seeds from the fruits they eat. In humans, the appendix no longer functions. If we are frugivores, why didn't natural selection keep this organ?
2: The human digestive tract contains heme receptors - receptors that only absorb iron from BLOOD and BLOOD alone. Humans absorb iron from blood more easily than any other source. If we are frugivores, why is this the case?
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
Ok, finally... Now that the human meat-consuming encephalization theory has been debunked (again)... There is no single class of food that caused human brain growth. Human brain growth is a function of genetic instructios/adaptations of increased selective pressure for intelligence w/reproductive advantage.
Now I can go down the list and debunk more myths for adapting to meat...
Keep in mind real food does not CAUSE disease, it prevents disease for ALL species...
Chrisisms 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
'function of the mammalian cecal appendix as a safe-house for symbiotic gut microbes, preserving the flora during times of gastrointestinal infection in societies without modern medicine.- a selective force for the evolution and maintenance of the appendix, and provides an impetus for reassessment of the evolution of the appendix and has been maintained in mammalian evolution for 80 million years or longer.12 Aug 2009 European Society for Evolutionary Biology
Chrisisms 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee
All mammals can absorb heme iron, the problem is precisely the fact that heme is absorbed in humans without regulation. All herbivores have an iron witholding system (as do humans). Alzheimer's, gout, cancer, diabetes, etc are associated w/too much iron. Red meat is particularly toxic in that it has excess heme iron which is not digested but as you say merely 'absorbed' without regulation.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Too much iron is not usually a problem unless people are consuming large quantities of acidic foodstuffs prepared in iron cookware, or in cases where the soil is unusually rich in iron.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
@SyeraMiktayee heme iron in red meat can promote carcinogenesis because it increases cell proliferation in the mucosa, through lipoperoxidation and/or cytotoxicity of fecal water. Nutr Cancer. 2008 Mar;60(2):131-44.
heme iron acts as a pro-oxidant, causing LDL to react with oxygen. This reaction is involved in the formation of plaques and increases one's risk of cardiovascular problems. Ascherio. Dietary iron intake and risk of coronary disease among men. Circulation 1994; 89:969-74
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Most of this video got me really heated because PETA claims that a meat diet causes kidney stones? I became a vegetarian for a year and during that year I was the most unhealthy I had ever been and I developed kidney stones at 25. The same thing happened to my friend when he briefly became veg. Two doctors and a urologist concluded that they were caused by the increased amount of calcium oxalate that is abundant in things like eggs, spinach, sweet potatoes, soy, and other vegetables.
CappitranoBellephant 2 years ago
Not to mention they claim that the introduction of meat into asia is causing them to be unhealthier? It's actually the exact opposite there is a reason why asians were known to be short and skinny in the past and now they have people like Yao Ming (just being fecisious). Also how do you explain places like Italy and Japan who have almost no vegans and have little heart disease and some of the longest life expectancies in the world? I really hate people that sway the truth.
CappitranoBellephant 2 years ago
omnivore is NOT a sociological phenomenon. humans arent the only omnivores. bears, raccoons, pigs, the list is endless.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
thank you sire!!
badgerattoadhall 2 years ago
youre welcome
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
there are no oppositional digestive processes. meat does NOT cause disease
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
Colloquially, omnivore means: Consuming meat and plants. Technically, 'omnivore' would indicate food from more than one class. Scientifically, 'omnivore' is meaningless because any animal can consume food from more than one class of course. Biochemically, meat and fruit are NOT digested equally. Meat contributes to digestive disorders and diseases while fruit is negatively associated with the same meat diseases using opposing digestive processes. Science requires classification not popular vote.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
err i checked northwesterns site and
"An omnivore is a kind of animal that eats either other animals or plants. Some omnivores will hunt and eat their food, like carnivores, eating herbivores and other omnivores. Some others are scavengers and will eat dead matter. Many will eat eggs from other animals
badgerattoadhall 2 years ago
'An omnivore is a kind of animal'
Animals are not classified as 'omnivore' just as humans are not classified as 'omnivore or vegetarian', etc. A scientific classification involves lists of criteria/hard data either met or not met to separate the species. No such list exists for 'omnivore'. 'Omnivore' is a sociological phenomenon whereby people choose to consume meat, nothing more. There is NO meat-eating imperative for humans. Any animal can consume meat. So? Humans digest fruit best.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
the term frugivore is meaningless as it is a subclass and humans are NOT herbivores
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
Meat & fruit are NOT digested equally. Meat requires opposing digestive processes to fruit ie intestinal tone, ph, bacterial flora, etc. Meat absorption processes cause digestive diseases & reduces further nutrient absorption ie divertiular, hemorrhoids, autoimmune diseases, cancer, gall/kidney stones etc. via molecular mimicry, acidosis, mucous accumulation, biochemical incompatibility, excess protein/constipation, etc. There is a type of food that is "THE highest quality."
Chrisisms 2 years ago
of course theyre not meat is superior. the term frugivore is meaningless as it is a subclass and humans are NOT herbivores
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
Um animals are classified as omnivores such as bears and chimps will hunt and eat meat from time to time.
badgerattoadhall 2 years ago
hunting binges occur especially when there were females chimpanzees w/sexual swellings
While scavenging is a frequently posited mode of getting meat for ancestors, wild chimpanzees (particularly males who do most hunting) show little interest in dead animals as food source.
the role that hunting played in early hominids' social lives was probably as complex & politically charged as it is in chimpanzees.
Yes, even some chimps consume meat for social reasons over nutrition (as H. corpus).
Chrisisms 2 years ago
THANK YOU.
PETA is a joke. Seriously. They also support terrorism.
If PETA ever tries to push a national campaign to ban eating meat, I'll shoot Ingrid to defend my God-given right to eat meat.
HermieHedgehog 2 years ago
Corn syrup alone is more harmful than any meat will ever be, even raw.
garytheagnostic 2 years ago
Ugh, I know!
Don't you just hate those "but it's fine in moderation!" blurbs?
Real easy to "moderate" your intake when it's in pretty much everything these days.
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago
I really hate how science has become the unwilling slave of political crap. Everytime somebody wants to believe something they'll parade around their host of "experts" and dump twisted facts all over the "uneducated" masses.
Nice Video- I are informed!
NOTaTEAMplayer 2 years ago
You should've mentioned the lack of exercise of most modern day humans. Because of it we're more likely to get cardiovascular diseases from built up fat than say a lion that has to run down its meal, and in doing so effectively burns any extra fat.
Kitsookami 2 years ago
I feel compelled to point out that the phrase, "foods like potatoes" means foods similar to potatoes; not potatoes themselves. To include potatoes in the foods you are talking about, you'd say, "foods such as potatoes".
Also, I wonder where PETA got their estimate for the age of Homo sapiens. The estimates I've seen have been more like 200,000 - 250,000 years ago. And the estimate of the age of agriculture seems way off too. The figure I've seen quite a few times is ~10,000 years ago.
eshapard 2 years ago
Could be, but the way it was worded sounded to me like they were talking about actual potatoes. Most people I know would think you were talking about actual potatoes if you worded it that way, too. Maybe it's a regional dialect thing. Or maybe... well, someone *did* once publish a book claiming that the ancient Irish worshiped a potato goddess...
SyeraMiktayee 2 years ago