Well it's a little hard to believe since Favre went on record as saying he went to the Vikings to "stick it" to the Packers so why not here? And at the end of the 2010 season telling Peppers "go beat the Packers" and essentially knock them out of the playoffs. Favre has wished NOTHING good for the Packers for three years, but he was clean and pure here? And as far as it having effect is irrelevant, If someone tries to kill you but fails, it's water under the bridge? It's the MALICE that matters.
@Fitzmartel You're not right about anything. As Favre accurately pointed out, Rodgers inherited a perfect situation.He still takes dumb sacks to protect his QB rating & try to get better stats than Favre. But the reason he can take those sacks & lose 10 yards is because the next play a receiver will make a big play for him. Rodgers has much more receiving talent around him than even Brady did in '07. Favre's best receiver in the 90's (Freeman) would be cut from this Packer team.
@darshloaf Favre's words are the words of a bitter ex-player who knows, in his heart of hearts, that Rodgers has the ability to be held in higher esteem than him. Rodgers is more in the mold of a Starr--who would rather take a sack than throw a pick. These are the guys who can win multiple titles, not a gunslinger who shoots himself in the foot. This is the best era of Packers football since the 60's. Thanks, Ted!
@Fitzmartel When Rodgers took over, Thompson immediately traded a good D-Lineman in Cory Williams for the rights to draft Nelson, then drafted Finley in the 3rd round. In '07, he wouldn't trade a 4th round pick to get a motivated Randy Moss who was willing to take a paycut.He also drafted Harrell when he could've gotten Greg Olsen to help Favre, a mistake he would never make w/ Rodgers at the helm. This was a setup by Thompson for Brett to fail & Aaron to succeed. I'll never forgive.
@darshloaf Where do we start? Corey Williams was an adequate lineman: he was a bust in Cleveland and not worth to the Packers what Cleveland was willing to pay him. Nelson was well worth the swap. Moss? The guy 1) Is a cancer everywhere he's been; 2) Has never won a ring-even with Tom Brady; 3) Would have encouraged BLF to use a vertical passing game--never his strong suit.
BLF had enough weapons to go the SB in '07; the gunslinger couldn't hack it in the cold anymore and epic failed.
@Fitzmartel First of all, Williams still plays regularly, Justin Harrell was a bust. No, BLF didn't have close to what Rodgers has around him. He had a young Jennings in his 1st playoff & Driver who was never a great player. Jennings in the NFC title game? nothing. Grant? nothing. Jones? couldn't get open. Defense? pathetic. Gave up 24 1st downs & 380 total yards in sub-zero weather. You're putting it all on the 38 year old QB? Saying "epic fail" does nothing to advance your argument
@darshloaf "Plays regularly" doesn't equal "good," BTW. Yes, you can alibi all you want about how the run game, Al Harris, etc., weren't functioning in the title game. The point is that in OT, the score was tied, and Favre had the ball with the game to win. You can bet that Rodgers would have surgically cut up the Giants with what they gave him instead of forcing up a bad ball like Favre ALWAYS did. (e.g. the '09 NFCCG) trying to be Harry the Hero. Favre's QB ratings in that game stunk.
@Fitzmartel The point was never that Williams was good anyway, it was that Thompson did everything he could to put super bowl talent around Rodgers, hence the Nelson trade. He planned for Favre to get his passing records in '07, go 7-9 or 8-8, & retire after a mediocre season. The fact that Favre took that average team to the NFC title game made it a much tougher decision to push him out the door, Favre still had game left, he just never had the supporting cast rodgers has. Period.
@darshloaf There was enough talent for the Packers to get to SB XLII. And I don't believe BLF was pushed out the door: it was clear that he no longer wanted to play for a Packers organization run by Ted Thompson, since he did not see eye-to-eye with TT's personnel decisions. If BLF had gone "all in," done all of the OTA and come in on time, he would have been the Packers' starting QB in the '08 TC. Instead he was angling to go play for Minny and tried to jerk the organization around.
@Fitzmartel Of course he's not gonna see eye-to-eye w/ TT's decisions since he showed no interest in winning a Super Bowl; he only wanted to rebuild Brett's last 2 years & prepare for the Rodgers era. They would've won SB XLII if they had Moss, & I'm telling you Thompson did NOT want Favre to take that team as far as he did; look up how TT drafted those years & compare it to now. Of course if you were a legend QB being forced to retire you'd want to comeback & play for their rivals
@darshloaf Wasn't interested in winning a SB? TT had a rebuild a salary cap-strapped team and it wasn't going to be done overnight. He picked up some good players. Jennings is a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. Grant was a good back in '07. What in the world makes you think that Moss would have helped win SBXLII? He sure didn't for the Pats--or anywhere else he's played. I'm sure TT would have been happy for a SB at any time in his tenure. That's just plain foolish to assert.
@Fitzmartel I honestly don't think he wanted to surround Favre with super bowl level talent. The fact that he replaced departed guards Mike Wahle & Marco Rivera with Adrian Klem & Will Whitiker tells me he was either A.) content to rebuild & win w/ Rodgers down the road or B.) desirous that favre get injured in '05 & he could start Rodgers right away. Whitiker & Klem couldn't block a dummy sled, & those were TT's starters.
@darshloaf In Klemm, TT tried to replace a hole in the OL with a veteran FA; it may not have worked out as well he would have liked; Whitiker wasn't a bad lineman as a rookie. It turns out that Sherman was a lameduck and the whole scheme had to be revamped the next year. I don't believe that a GM is going to go into the tank just to "punish" of chase off a player. Favre was the QB until Favre decided to leave. That was his call.
@Fitzmartel And he drafted Jennings because he absolutely had to draft a receiver because Terrence Murphy broke his neck. Once Rodgers came aboard he drafted receivers & tight ends for luxury, not for need. If TTwanted a super bowl contender in '07, he would've gotten Moss for a 4th round pick. What makes me think they would've won w/ Moss that year? Maybe because he caught 98 passes (23 of them TD's) in NE...that's a weapon that would've carried GB over the top that year.
@darshloaf TT hasn't been much about the "draft for need" school: he's been "best player available." It explains a lot about why he drafts as he does. As for Moss, the Packers offered Oakland a third; the Pats gave them a third. I was never sold on him. He's been a cancer every place he's been and he would have encouraged BLF to do the vertical passing thing, and that was never his strong suit. BLF didn't have consistent good touch on deep balls. Randy Moss = no SB rings.
@Fitzmartel Favre's deep ball worked well that year, most notably the OT bomb to Jennings in Denver, there were many others as well. No, Moss didn't win the Super Bowl, but the Pats don't make it there without him. His presence alone allowed Welker to have a monster year, & even when he was dogging in in MN last year, his presence helped Harvin become a big factor on offense. Moss changes the defensive gameplan, & I think the Packers win 15 games & the super bowl w/ him that year.
@darshloaf BLF only three deep passes for TDs in '07 as far as I can tell. I'm still not sold on Moss. He's disappeared from some of the biggest games he's played in. Difference makers should have a better track record in big games. In the final analysis, in an OT game, BLF couldn't pull it out. If there is one deficit in his legacy it's that he didn't have a decisive GW drive in a big game, like Montana, Starr, Elway, Unitas, etc.
@Fitzmartel I checked his TD's.10 of the 28 were touch passes & 7 of those 10 were deep. He also completed deep balls vs. Carolina, Minn, NY & Det that didn't go for TD's. Anyway I can't possibly agree w/ ur 2nd point. If you're referring to Super Bowls, Elway, Starr & Unitas didn't have those GW drives either. Elway was old & had T. Davis. Favre could've tied that game up (vs Denver) if not for Freeman's classic drop of an easy 20 yard completion. Favre had 42 4th quarter comebacks
@darshloaf I suppose Elway did lead his team down the field to put them up 31-24 but Favre was clearly the better QB at that time, he just didn't have Terrell Davis & a crafty O-Line that knew how to hold every play & not get called for it. We can probably agree on that point; Denver definitely got away w/ some monster holds/blocks in back to spring Davis.
@darshloaf . Elway didn't play a perfect in game in SB XXXII, but he did execute the plays needed to win that game. He played within himself. I'm not going to beef about the Denver zone blocking scheme; they just flat out ran Green Bay off the field. The Packers came in over-confident and Holmgren became a distraction with all of the talk about the Seattle job. It was an opportunity that got away on the Packers, and along witht the '03 Divisional Game vs. the Eagles, a hard pill to swallow.
@Fitzmartelthe only time he threw to Freeman on that last drive was the bullet that bounced off his chest. The Holmgren distraction came the following season, but you're right, no excuses for losing to Denver, bad calls & all. I just don't think you can put that on Favre is all. He's undoubtedly top 5 all time, rough ending or not. Starr won w/ a grinding Lombardi style, a great winner but not even close to Favre's strength & talent. Favre compares better w/ Marino, Elway, & Manning.
@darshloaf The pass to Freeman I'm refering to happened on the second last Packers drive, when the score was still tied. While I can't lay the whole blame of SB XXXII on BLF, he gets some of it: 10 Denver points came off two of his turnovers. I would consider BLF to be Top Ten; his chronic meltdowns and recklessness in big games, late in his career, doesn't allow me to rate him higher. In a money game, give me Starr any day over BLF.
@Fitzmartel I never liked comparing QB's from vastly different eras. What happens is people point out the consistency & wins of QB's from 40, 50 years ago w/o acknowledging how much easier it was to build a consistent franchise. GB had the system & continuity brought on by a legendary coach, as well as several HOF players. Anytime you throw 152 TD's to 138 INT's (Starr's career) you're more of a system QB than anything, though I do have the utmost respect for Starr,
@darshloaf Arguably, it was harder to put up good numbers in the 60's: rules on pass blocking, protection of the QB, pass coverage, placement of the hashmarks, etc. made the 60's a relative dead ball era for passing. Starr wasn't just a "system QB." He didn't have the weapons to throw to that BLF did, and furthermore, he called all of his own plays--he was the OC on the field--and his ground attack from '65-'67 was second rate.
@Fitzmartel Yeah passing was more difficult in the 60's, but if you're only going to acknowledge that point & not the fact that franchises could more easily build consistent winning teams in the 60's then the argument is too biased. Saying QB's are better than others only based on championships is a fallacy to me. Starr was a special player, not close to Favre in terms of talent, strength, durability, & improvisation.
@darshloaf It depends on what you call "long"; for my purposes I'd call it a TD completion of longer than 50 yards--I only counted five of those in '07. As for my second point I'm counting conference championship games in the category of big games, too. Unitas had the OT drive in the '58 NFL Title game; Starr had the GW drive in the Ice Bowl ('67 NFL Title). As for BLF, he missed a wide open Freeman with the score tied at 24-all in the fourth quarter. He likely would have scored.
@Fitzmartel You make solid points on Thompson's drafts, but Harrell over Greg Olsen? If Favre can help make Donald Lee a good TE, he could've helped make a star out of Olsen. I will never be convinced that Thompson would've drafted Harrell if Aaron was set to start that year; he would've went Olsen to help his QB out, something I don't thing he was always willing to do w/ Brett. Just this last yr. TT drafted 2 tight ends to a roster that was already heavy on tight ends.
@darshloaf I won't say that Harrell wound up being other than a great disappointment, but I'm sure that TT thought that a good DL guy is harder to find than a TE. Remember, TT drafted two defensive players in '09--Raji and Matthews--when he knew that AR was going to be his starting QB.
its a matter of time before al or woodson gets canned just look at what they do to KGB. almost 12 sacks last year and is a backup to montgomery its ridiculous. they will probably not make the playoffs this year because when they play good teams arod will not go deep.he rather not through a pick than throw a td ist sickening.and im one of the dedicating fans.if woodson,driver,harris,kampman,and barnett was all hurt i wouldnt even watch GB but i'll cheer and applaud
Thank you!! I'm so sick of every time they lose it's the defenses fault. NO ONE points to rodgers' drive-killing sacks that he doesn't need to take or his unwillingness to go downfield in key situations...oh wait I forgot, those sacks are the o-line's fault right? Just throw the goddam ball & stop thinking you're michael vick out there! Plus he can't sustain long drives; most of his yards come on jennings turning short passes into big gains;way too many 3 & outs cause he'd rather run than pass
arod is pretty good.but he eludes too much.yesterday he had jackson open for a first down but he ran and was short.some of the blame goes to mccarthy. every time they are in a big game he gets conservative blame it on the OC but he can change. thats why last year brett use to call pass plays while every one thought it was a run. A-rod tried it yesterday and jennings was completely lost. they cant score in the red zone.
no one is gonna hate favre.if it wasnt for favre no one outside of wisconsin would be a packers fan under the age of 30.he is the packers and they let him go when they were 1 drive away from he SB.with favre they would be 5-1 not 4-3.a-rod is great but 1 more year with favre is worth losing him forever.only time i really get excited is when the defense is on the field. the offense is too conservative.the packers were mad that favre was above the organization.every jersey was #4 he was forced out
He's been a habitual liar before. Jay Glazer is not lying on this one, sorry. Facts are right. I'm a big Packer fan and this story does hurt his reputation here. I have lost some respect, but I'll get over it. Brett showed some real emotion there so he obviously feels bad about it. Although I'm strongly behind Aaron Rodgers, brett will always be a Packer!
Well it's a little hard to believe since Favre went on record as saying he went to the Vikings to "stick it" to the Packers so why not here? And at the end of the 2010 season telling Peppers "go beat the Packers" and essentially knock them out of the playoffs. Favre has wished NOTHING good for the Packers for three years, but he was clean and pure here? And as far as it having effect is irrelevant, If someone tries to kill you but fails, it's water under the bridge? It's the MALICE that matters.
toolkien 10 months ago
I wonder how some of you people feel about Favre and Arod now.
dhansome20 1 year ago
The really sad part...The Lions couldn't even win that season when they cheated.
Kenner81 1 year ago
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darshloaf 3 years ago
@darshloaf Epic fail for you, I guess. You and the other Favre koolaid drinkers. I love being proven right.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel You're not right about anything. As Favre accurately pointed out, Rodgers inherited a perfect situation.He still takes dumb sacks to protect his QB rating & try to get better stats than Favre. But the reason he can take those sacks & lose 10 yards is because the next play a receiver will make a big play for him. Rodgers has much more receiving talent around him than even Brady did in '07. Favre's best receiver in the 90's (Freeman) would be cut from this Packer team.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf Favre's words are the words of a bitter ex-player who knows, in his heart of hearts, that Rodgers has the ability to be held in higher esteem than him. Rodgers is more in the mold of a Starr--who would rather take a sack than throw a pick. These are the guys who can win multiple titles, not a gunslinger who shoots himself in the foot. This is the best era of Packers football since the 60's. Thanks, Ted!
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel When Rodgers took over, Thompson immediately traded a good D-Lineman in Cory Williams for the rights to draft Nelson, then drafted Finley in the 3rd round. In '07, he wouldn't trade a 4th round pick to get a motivated Randy Moss who was willing to take a paycut.He also drafted Harrell when he could've gotten Greg Olsen to help Favre, a mistake he would never make w/ Rodgers at the helm. This was a setup by Thompson for Brett to fail & Aaron to succeed. I'll never forgive.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf Where do we start? Corey Williams was an adequate lineman: he was a bust in Cleveland and not worth to the Packers what Cleveland was willing to pay him. Nelson was well worth the swap. Moss? The guy 1) Is a cancer everywhere he's been; 2) Has never won a ring-even with Tom Brady; 3) Would have encouraged BLF to use a vertical passing game--never his strong suit.
BLF had enough weapons to go the SB in '07; the gunslinger couldn't hack it in the cold anymore and epic failed.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel First of all, Williams still plays regularly, Justin Harrell was a bust. No, BLF didn't have close to what Rodgers has around him. He had a young Jennings in his 1st playoff & Driver who was never a great player. Jennings in the NFC title game? nothing. Grant? nothing. Jones? couldn't get open. Defense? pathetic. Gave up 24 1st downs & 380 total yards in sub-zero weather. You're putting it all on the 38 year old QB? Saying "epic fail" does nothing to advance your argument
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf "Plays regularly" doesn't equal "good," BTW. Yes, you can alibi all you want about how the run game, Al Harris, etc., weren't functioning in the title game. The point is that in OT, the score was tied, and Favre had the ball with the game to win. You can bet that Rodgers would have surgically cut up the Giants with what they gave him instead of forcing up a bad ball like Favre ALWAYS did. (e.g. the '09 NFCCG) trying to be Harry the Hero. Favre's QB ratings in that game stunk.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel The point was never that Williams was good anyway, it was that Thompson did everything he could to put super bowl talent around Rodgers, hence the Nelson trade. He planned for Favre to get his passing records in '07, go 7-9 or 8-8, & retire after a mediocre season. The fact that Favre took that average team to the NFC title game made it a much tougher decision to push him out the door, Favre still had game left, he just never had the supporting cast rodgers has. Period.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf There was enough talent for the Packers to get to SB XLII. And I don't believe BLF was pushed out the door: it was clear that he no longer wanted to play for a Packers organization run by Ted Thompson, since he did not see eye-to-eye with TT's personnel decisions. If BLF had gone "all in," done all of the OTA and come in on time, he would have been the Packers' starting QB in the '08 TC. Instead he was angling to go play for Minny and tried to jerk the organization around.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel Of course he's not gonna see eye-to-eye w/ TT's decisions since he showed no interest in winning a Super Bowl; he only wanted to rebuild Brett's last 2 years & prepare for the Rodgers era. They would've won SB XLII if they had Moss, & I'm telling you Thompson did NOT want Favre to take that team as far as he did; look up how TT drafted those years & compare it to now. Of course if you were a legend QB being forced to retire you'd want to comeback & play for their rivals
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf Wasn't interested in winning a SB? TT had a rebuild a salary cap-strapped team and it wasn't going to be done overnight. He picked up some good players. Jennings is a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. Grant was a good back in '07. What in the world makes you think that Moss would have helped win SBXLII? He sure didn't for the Pats--or anywhere else he's played. I'm sure TT would have been happy for a SB at any time in his tenure. That's just plain foolish to assert.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel I honestly don't think he wanted to surround Favre with super bowl level talent. The fact that he replaced departed guards Mike Wahle & Marco Rivera with Adrian Klem & Will Whitiker tells me he was either A.) content to rebuild & win w/ Rodgers down the road or B.) desirous that favre get injured in '05 & he could start Rodgers right away. Whitiker & Klem couldn't block a dummy sled, & those were TT's starters.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf In Klemm, TT tried to replace a hole in the OL with a veteran FA; it may not have worked out as well he would have liked; Whitiker wasn't a bad lineman as a rookie. It turns out that Sherman was a lameduck and the whole scheme had to be revamped the next year. I don't believe that a GM is going to go into the tank just to "punish" of chase off a player. Favre was the QB until Favre decided to leave. That was his call.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel And he drafted Jennings because he absolutely had to draft a receiver because Terrence Murphy broke his neck. Once Rodgers came aboard he drafted receivers & tight ends for luxury, not for need. If TTwanted a super bowl contender in '07, he would've gotten Moss for a 4th round pick. What makes me think they would've won w/ Moss that year? Maybe because he caught 98 passes (23 of them TD's) in NE...that's a weapon that would've carried GB over the top that year.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf TT hasn't been much about the "draft for need" school: he's been "best player available." It explains a lot about why he drafts as he does. As for Moss, the Packers offered Oakland a third; the Pats gave them a third. I was never sold on him. He's been a cancer every place he's been and he would have encouraged BLF to do the vertical passing thing, and that was never his strong suit. BLF didn't have consistent good touch on deep balls. Randy Moss = no SB rings.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel Should read that the Packers offered the Raiders a fourth.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel Favre's deep ball worked well that year, most notably the OT bomb to Jennings in Denver, there were many others as well. No, Moss didn't win the Super Bowl, but the Pats don't make it there without him. His presence alone allowed Welker to have a monster year, & even when he was dogging in in MN last year, his presence helped Harvin become a big factor on offense. Moss changes the defensive gameplan, & I think the Packers win 15 games & the super bowl w/ him that year.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf BLF only three deep passes for TDs in '07 as far as I can tell. I'm still not sold on Moss. He's disappeared from some of the biggest games he's played in. Difference makers should have a better track record in big games. In the final analysis, in an OT game, BLF couldn't pull it out. If there is one deficit in his legacy it's that he didn't have a decisive GW drive in a big game, like Montana, Starr, Elway, Unitas, etc.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel I checked his TD's.10 of the 28 were touch passes & 7 of those 10 were deep. He also completed deep balls vs. Carolina, Minn, NY & Det that didn't go for TD's. Anyway I can't possibly agree w/ ur 2nd point. If you're referring to Super Bowls, Elway, Starr & Unitas didn't have those GW drives either. Elway was old & had T. Davis. Favre could've tied that game up (vs Denver) if not for Freeman's classic drop of an easy 20 yard completion. Favre had 42 4th quarter comebacks
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf I suppose Elway did lead his team down the field to put them up 31-24 but Favre was clearly the better QB at that time, he just didn't have Terrell Davis & a crafty O-Line that knew how to hold every play & not get called for it. We can probably agree on that point; Denver definitely got away w/ some monster holds/blocks in back to spring Davis.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf . Elway didn't play a perfect in game in SB XXXII, but he did execute the plays needed to win that game. He played within himself. I'm not going to beef about the Denver zone blocking scheme; they just flat out ran Green Bay off the field. The Packers came in over-confident and Holmgren became a distraction with all of the talk about the Seattle job. It was an opportunity that got away on the Packers, and along witht the '03 Divisional Game vs. the Eagles, a hard pill to swallow.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartelthe only time he threw to Freeman on that last drive was the bullet that bounced off his chest. The Holmgren distraction came the following season, but you're right, no excuses for losing to Denver, bad calls & all. I just don't think you can put that on Favre is all. He's undoubtedly top 5 all time, rough ending or not. Starr won w/ a grinding Lombardi style, a great winner but not even close to Favre's strength & talent. Favre compares better w/ Marino, Elway, & Manning.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf The pass to Freeman I'm refering to happened on the second last Packers drive, when the score was still tied. While I can't lay the whole blame of SB XXXII on BLF, he gets some of it: 10 Denver points came off two of his turnovers. I would consider BLF to be Top Ten; his chronic meltdowns and recklessness in big games, late in his career, doesn't allow me to rate him higher. In a money game, give me Starr any day over BLF.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel I never liked comparing QB's from vastly different eras. What happens is people point out the consistency & wins of QB's from 40, 50 years ago w/o acknowledging how much easier it was to build a consistent franchise. GB had the system & continuity brought on by a legendary coach, as well as several HOF players. Anytime you throw 152 TD's to 138 INT's (Starr's career) you're more of a system QB than anything, though I do have the utmost respect for Starr,
darshloaf 1 month ago
@darshloaf Arguably, it was harder to put up good numbers in the 60's: rules on pass blocking, protection of the QB, pass coverage, placement of the hashmarks, etc. made the 60's a relative dead ball era for passing. Starr wasn't just a "system QB." He didn't have the weapons to throw to that BLF did, and furthermore, he called all of his own plays--he was the OC on the field--and his ground attack from '65-'67 was second rate.
Fitzmartel 1 month ago
@Fitzmartel Yeah passing was more difficult in the 60's, but if you're only going to acknowledge that point & not the fact that franchises could more easily build consistent winning teams in the 60's then the argument is too biased. Saying QB's are better than others only based on championships is a fallacy to me. Starr was a special player, not close to Favre in terms of talent, strength, durability, & improvisation.
darshloaf 1 month ago
@darshloaf It depends on what you call "long"; for my purposes I'd call it a TD completion of longer than 50 yards--I only counted five of those in '07. As for my second point I'm counting conference championship games in the category of big games, too. Unitas had the OT drive in the '58 NFL Title game; Starr had the GW drive in the Ice Bowl ('67 NFL Title). As for BLF, he missed a wide open Freeman with the score tied at 24-all in the fourth quarter. He likely would have scored.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
@Fitzmartel You make solid points on Thompson's drafts, but Harrell over Greg Olsen? If Favre can help make Donald Lee a good TE, he could've helped make a star out of Olsen. I will never be convinced that Thompson would've drafted Harrell if Aaron was set to start that year; he would've went Olsen to help his QB out, something I don't thing he was always willing to do w/ Brett. Just this last yr. TT drafted 2 tight ends to a roster that was already heavy on tight ends.
darshloaf 2 months ago
@darshloaf I won't say that Harrell wound up being other than a great disappointment, but I'm sure that TT thought that a good DL guy is harder to find than a TE. Remember, TT drafted two defensive players in '09--Raji and Matthews--when he knew that AR was going to be his starting QB.
Fitzmartel 2 months ago
its a matter of time before al or woodson gets canned just look at what they do to KGB. almost 12 sacks last year and is a backup to montgomery its ridiculous. they will probably not make the playoffs this year because when they play good teams arod will not go deep.he rather not through a pick than throw a td ist sickening.and im one of the dedicating fans.if woodson,driver,harris,kampman,and barnett was all hurt i wouldnt even watch GB but i'll cheer and applaud
rondel89 3 years ago
Thank you!! I'm so sick of every time they lose it's the defenses fault. NO ONE points to rodgers' drive-killing sacks that he doesn't need to take or his unwillingness to go downfield in key situations...oh wait I forgot, those sacks are the o-line's fault right? Just throw the goddam ball & stop thinking you're michael vick out there! Plus he can't sustain long drives; most of his yards come on jennings turning short passes into big gains;way too many 3 & outs cause he'd rather run than pass
darshloaf 3 years ago
arod is pretty good.but he eludes too much.yesterday he had jackson open for a first down but he ran and was short.some of the blame goes to mccarthy. every time they are in a big game he gets conservative blame it on the OC but he can change. thats why last year brett use to call pass plays while every one thought it was a run. A-rod tried it yesterday and jennings was completely lost. they cant score in the red zone.
rondel89 3 years ago
no one is gonna hate favre.if it wasnt for favre no one outside of wisconsin would be a packers fan under the age of 30.he is the packers and they let him go when they were 1 drive away from he SB.with favre they would be 5-1 not 4-3.a-rod is great but 1 more year with favre is worth losing him forever.only time i really get excited is when the defense is on the field. the offense is too conservative.the packers were mad that favre was above the organization.every jersey was #4 he was forced out
rondel89 3 years ago
He's been a habitual liar before. Jay Glazer is not lying on this one, sorry. Facts are right. I'm a big Packer fan and this story does hurt his reputation here. I have lost some respect, but I'll get over it. Brett showed some real emotion there so he obviously feels bad about it. Although I'm strongly behind Aaron Rodgers, brett will always be a Packer!
schaits 3 years ago
i trust favre he wont do that
55powell55 3 years ago