IslamopediaOnline: Islam & Science with Pervez Hoodbhoy

[withead99]

It is to be expected that Hoodbhoy's remarks about the depressed state of science in orthodox Islamic nations would lead to the crass rejoinders one hears from ignorant people who know only what they have been told by even more ignorant teachers.

[omerulz1]

what an asshole! Who the hell says that Quran is the book of Science? If a person or 2 says that its a book of science, even though i never came across a single person, still it doesnt mean that Quran is book of Science....it contains some statement that has science in it but it;s not teaching humans; "science". What an idiot! Plz stick to your nuclear physics, ur analysis sucks!

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

How can knowledge be created by Humans? Did the laws of physics become discovered when scientists started writing there books on the subject? No of course not, it was always there, People analyze and extracted the knowledge.

[KindredSouls]

@FATAL12SKILLZ Physical laws will exist with or without knowledge. It's only facts and truths that exist. Knowledge is the realization of these truths. Since knowledge comes only after due inquiry of these facts, I believe he is justified in saying that knowledge is created by humans.

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

@KindredSouls you can't say knowledge is created by humans, creation, is something that is invented. You can say that humans organize knowledge, extract knowledge, If we don't know something or have not realized it yet does that mean it is not knowledge? No of course not it is knowledge but you do not KNOW it.

[KindredSouls]

@FATAL12SKILLZ Yes, you can say that. Once facts have been established, they become knowledge. If someone THEN is unfamiliar with those facts, we can say that the knowledge regarding blah blah thing exists, but that person does not know it.

Are we just arguing semantics here? :p

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

What a dishonest fellow he is! He does not give the full history of the Muslims! Does he forget that Al Mamun is the one who helped the Mutazalites? Nonetheless the Asharis were NOT the orthodox and they became the orthodox (or the majority) very late in Islamic history.

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

He actually praised Al Mamun as a liberal! I guess he is right liberals today persecute innocent people today and so did Al-Mamun, he forgets that he tortured the Scholars of Islam and tried to make his ideology reign by threatening the scholars of Islam. By The standards (which is really no standard because the atheist has no real criteria) of Hoodhboy Al Mamun was a very staunch person, Al Mamun fought the greeks and plus Harun Rashid was a very pious Muslim.

[jimkhan70]

Remember, he is not famous for his science (he is not even a top scientist in Pakistan, let alone the world) but for his anti-Islam/Muslim and anti-Pakistan stance. I wouldn't know him if he wasn't that. This is the agenda he has carried all his life - he has been persistent. Rationality, questioning, challenging etc are good as long as you don't question or challenge him. He is a bigot, & thinks he knows it all. A good speaker, yes sure, but I sometimes wonder who writes his speeches for him??

[jimkhan70]

He is criticising others (Muslims) but where are his groundbreaking scientific contributions? He has 4 PhDs to his name in 37 years at QAU – what a joke – he is/was a theoretical physicist, so he only needed paper, pen and time that he has spent on criticising Islam to do his experiments. He still seems to be using his title of Prof of Physics at QAU - he retired a long time ago - he should spend the rest of life doing comedy, that will give him more fame...

[padfootpak]

What did he actually want to say?

[asan506]

Sir Hoodbhoy I respect him a lot since he is one of the few reasonable reason-makers of the country. He just looks me like "Richard Dawkins" of Pakistan.



[rossini55]

Pervez Hoodbhoy is the way forward for Pakistan.

[ZotThithmaKarin]

muslim invented ZERO '0' so that they can stay there!

[jimkhan70]

@ZotThithmaKarin : Actually zero was invented in India by Hindus - get your facts right.

[thescorpionking2020]

al razi was not a muslim he was an atheist,he called prophets mentally retarded psychopaths

[terajasoos]

@thescorpionking2020

u forgot 1 thing else----he waz ur mommeez paramour and sexual luver:)

[sarmadjadoon]

@thescorpionking2020 ....LOLX....The westerners have played around with the works of Muslim scientists to give an impression they were not Muslims....Al-Razi despite being branded a heretic never left Islam ....The fact of the matter whosoever denounces Islam is destined for eternal hellfire....May the unbelievers rot in hell

[sarmadjadoon]

@thescorpionking2020 ....Such allegations on Al-Razi have been made by western orientalists who have played around with Arabic text or attributed lies to Muslims of Golden Age....Much of the shit this Yahood Boy says is all non-sense....I openly challenge this Yahood Boy to debate with me on any neutral forum....He doesnt know anything about Ashari Aqeeda and much of what he says about Mutazillite ideology being the reason for success of Muslims in medieval era is an eyewash

[sarmadjadoon]

@thescorpionking2020 ...This Yahood Boy is an apostate and a dweller of hellfire...

[Dathinkingman]

is hoodbhoy a muslim or agnostic?

[ranamuhammadatif]

@Dathinkingman I have reason to believe that his is an atheist. He is not Muslim by birth. His family is Parsi

[thescorpionking2020]

@Dathinkingman he is obviously an atheist

[Pmd9013]

Science ko science hi rahe ne doh koi nam nah doh. Sirf knowledge hai ye human conscience se mahesoos karo.

The word Science is from Latin word scientia meaning "knowledge". Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.

[Pmd9013]

Science as a type of knowledge was closely linked to philosophy. Until early 17th century the two words, "science" and " philosophy", were used interchangeably.

Since, necessity is mother of invention. So the word science is being hijack back to 8th century & 13th century

[Drzhivago11]

Good!