Former FOTM1 Member "Doug Perry" Reveals All Part 1

[CMO999]

Doug hears a voice in his head that he literally believes to be YHWY the God of the Bible. Do you believe that?

[miking193]

@CMO999 Just looked at your channel you're an atheist right? I never liked robo cop either. If your words R true on your channel then UR asking out pure amusement, right? Yes I believe it's possible that not only Doug but every human has the capacity to hear God through their conscience, do I believe we always hear right, no. Do I believe Doug always hears right, no. Hearing is ok for brevity but it doesn't mean we just hear an audible voice in our head it could B a gut feeling etc...

[CMO999]

@miking193 I'm not asking out of amusement or in a mean spirited way, I am genuinely intrigued by this phenomenon. I have a lot of friends who are schizophrenics for some reason, I even have a child with a schizophrenic woman. I know what you mean about how the spirit can speak to us through emotions, but it's different with Doug.. he literally hears a voice speaking words to him that he believes is YHWY. He told me his companions also hear the same voice, but I think it is more l

[CMO999]

@CMO999 (cont'd) I think it is more likely that is a delusion. It is very common for schizophrenics to find all kinds of ways to validate their hallucinations. Someone could give him a particular look that he would take to mean that they too heard the same voice that he just heard, etc. That is why I am asking. Do you believe that the voice he hears might really be YHWH?

[miking193]

@CMO999 I work in the mental health field. People who in their head take people to the court of commons (an imaginary court) to get those voices / people in their mind to stop attacking them. Having worked with lots of people who experience hallucinations & describe them to me, I would say Doug does not display the same behaviors, I don't think he's schizophrenic. I don't always agree with them, or how he interprets what he hears, but that doesn't make him schizophrenic.

[CMO999]

@miking193 So in other words, you do believe that the voice he hears is literally YHWY! Did you, as he claims, also hear the same voice saying the same thing while you were with him? Delusions and hallucinations are as varied as people are.. my ex-Wife, for example, was always interested in celebrities and the film industry, so her hallucinations were often voices claiming to be various actors and celebrities. Someone who is all about Christianity would of course hear God.

[miking193]

Cmo999 I'm aware of the people who claim to have heard the same voice as Doug we cover that in these videos. No I never had that experience as those claim to know for sure , that they heard the same voice as Doug.

[neilards]

are all Americans Nuts ........

[miking193]

@neilards yes

[neilards]

@miking193 thought so

[Britney24able]

@cynicalskeptic1 I havent even watched this video but I happen to see all these comments from you & they r just sad & disturbing to me....you poor wretched soul! Your talk is foul like the stench from a open grave! Your tongue is filled with lies & snake venom drips from your lips! You cynical skeptic indeed! You have mocked the Lord greatly & it will not go unpunished! You have already condemned youself with you words and have been given over to already!

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@Britney24able Excuse me, I don't need your threats of eternal damnation and, to be honest, I find them repulsive. Evolutional theory disproves the Creation myth so your 2,000 year old holy book is completely inaccurate from the first chapter. No Creation = No original sin = No need for Yahweh/Jesus' malodorous cloud of self-sacrificing effluvium.

Also, diseases aren't caused by sin, the earth isn't geocentric, and leprosy cleansing doesn't result from the "sprinkling of bird's blood".

[whitethronebooks]

@CynicalSkeptic1 Dude, you might want to actually do the research instead of just parroting what you've been taught in school. Because even the scientific evidence for creationism is beyond incredible. Read about Voltaire on his deathbed - what he saw - because God will not be mocked, sir.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@whitethronebooks Sir, I have done the research (on both sides). I was a Christian for twenty years and my parents sent me to Christian schools since kindergarten. Becoming more familiar with my Bible (and religion in general) resulted in my apostasy. Evolution is also currently being utilized by numerous scientists in various fields of advancement including medicine and physiology.

Also, there is ZERO scientific evidence for Creation...and, consequently, there are no peer-reviewed articles.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@Britney24able Article from Christplagiarized(dot)com: Scientists had to suffer torture, silencing, imprisonment and death at the hands of Christians who didn't agree with newly discovered facts about the world. Christianity lost the first battle with astronomers who realized that, contrary to what Christians asserted, the Sun did not orbit the Earth, and that the Universe doesn't seem to be designed specifically for humankind.

Apparently your god was scientifically illiterate.

[MissedTheMark]

Let me just say this.. If any Christian that believes God has called them to expose deception within the church they are already living in deception. I don't care if they hail Jesus as their Lord and Savior and feed and clothe the homeless. The main role of a Christian is to preach the gospel, make disciples, heal the sick, cast out demons, and raise the dead. If their ministry promotes anything beyond those commands, they are in deception. No where in the bible did God make one an Apologist..

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark You said "The main role of a Christian is to preach the gospel, make disciples, heal the sick, cast out demons, and raise the dead."

Sir, Christians can surely "preach the gospel" and "make disciples"...but they MOST CERTAINLY CANNOT "heal the sick", "cast out demons", or "raise the dead". Yahweh was a manmade entity.

I was a Christian for 20 years and my parents sent me to Christian schools since kindergarten. Becoming more familiar with my Bible resulted in my apostasy.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 lol. Come out to southern California and I'll show you some miracles.. We see healings everday. At least for the last 4 years. I was an apostate too, just like you. My girlfriend was a full blown Atheist. Let me tell you my friend, we can argue all day if God exists or you could come out here and I could show you that He exists. I've seen deaf ears open, people get out of wheel chairs, shorts legs grow out that were 3 inches short, bowed legs grown in. Fun stuff

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark Sir, I am sorry, but if you did actually experience those supernatural events (and I don't believe for a minute that you did) then they most certainly weren't related to the biblical god. Evolution is a fact of life and is currently being utilized in various avenues of scientific advancement including medicine and physiology.

Evolution disproves Creation = No original sin = No need for Yahweh/Jesus to sacrifice himself to himself.

Christianity's foundation disintegrates.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 lol.. You weren't even there! Ha Ha.. Just because you're atheist, doesn't mean you use logic well.. And that argument you just gave me was a good example. Here's a little saying. "A man with an experience is never at the mercy with a person with an argument". Come to so cal and what watch what happens when we use the name of Jesus to make the deaf ear open. I believe you're afraid. You don't want to see a miracle cause you don't want to be wrong.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark "I believe you're afraid. You don't want to see a miracle cause you don't want to be wrong."

Why would I be afraid when I already stated that your god doesn't appear to exist? You stated that these alleged "miracles" are related to the biblical god. I clearly indicated that evolution disproves Creation...so, obviously ALL of the ridiculous stories in the Bible would be rendered suspicious (at the very least). Only ONE flaw is needed to prove that it wasn't "divinely inspired".

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark DNA sequence comparison allows organisms to be grouped by sequence similarity, and the phylogenetic trees which result are generally in congruence with taxonomy. They are also used to enhance or correct taxonomic classifications.

DNA confirmed the paleontological tree of life which scientists had envisioned long before it was CONFIRMED by DNA sequence analysis. Consequently, evolution is one of the most validated and confirmed theories in all of science.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark In fact, EVOLUTION is being put to practical use in industry and widely used on a DAILY basis by researchers in medicine, biochemistry, molecular biology, and genetics to both formulate hypotheses about biological systems for the purposes of experimental design, as well as to rationalize observed data and prepare applications.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 What does any of that have to do with my friend getting out a wheel chair instantly from 8 diseases at the age of 82 and is now 91, or the over 50 short legs i've seen grown out in the last 12 months, or the 3 deaf ears I've seen open, or the all the arthritis I've seen get healed, or the cancer i've seen get healed, or the Malaria get healed instantly, or bowed legs grow in in a matter or seconds? Mircro Evolution works cause God makes it work..

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark You asked "What does any of that have to do with my friend getting out a wheel chair instantly from 8 diseases at the age of 82 and is now 91, or the over 50 short legs i've seen grown out in the last 12 months, or the 3 deaf ears I've seen open..etc., etc., etc., etc..."

You stated that these "miracles" were related to the biblical god...and since his "divinely inspired" text has a blatant flaw, then he doesn't appear to exist. Omniscient gods would know about evolution.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 These miralces seem to happen after the name Jesus is used.. Hmm, isn't that ironic? Jesus said "Heal the sick in my name". We do it, the person in the wheel chair gets up and starts walking around.. Why don't you quit trying to make excuses for not coming out here and having the world that you built up for 20 years get challenged..

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark "Why don't you quit trying to make excuses for not coming out here and having the world that you built up for 20 years get challenged.."

This is utterly ridiculous. YOUR GOD DOESN'T APPEAR TO EXIST!!! Why would I waste my time when YOUR BIBLE is filled with a veritable plethora of completely ridiculous stories which obviously DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Snakes don't talk women aren't made from ribs and they don't turn into salt, men don't live in whale bellies for three days.....

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark "Mircro Evolution works cause God makes it work.."

"Micro-evolution" and "Macro-evolution" are not recognized as sub-groups of evolution by the biological scientific community...there is only "evolution". PubMed(dot)gov reports that there are 179 publications on "Macro-E", 341 publications on "Micro-E" and 247,308 publications on "evolution". Even the "Platypus" has 414 publications...so there are more articles about one animal than Micro-E or Macro-E.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 Oh, god.. Spare the nerd jargon, no offense.. I don't care for you to try and show me how much you know.. I'll you can do is talk, and not produce a thing. I can talk, and I can produce. You're faith is in a book just as much as mine is. The reality is, you believe in a fantasy world, just as much as I do. Sad thing is, you're supposed to sound more rational than me based on your education. And sadly, that's just not the case

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark Atomic Theory, Theory of Matter and Energy, Cell Theory, Germ Theory, Theory of Plate Tectonics, Theory of Evolution, Theory of Quantum Mechanics, Theory of Relativity, Theory of Light Energy, Theory of Electromagnetism, Theory of Radioactivity, Theory of Molecular Bonds, Theory of Homeostasis, Theory of Gravity, etc..

These are all theories also...but only evolution and the Big Bang are disputed. The reason is because they conflict with a 2,000 year old holy book.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark Ok, I will come out to "witness" your "miracles"....even though I demonstrated that your god doesn't appear to exist.

I have a rather simple request for an omnipotent god. I would like to see an amputee's limb restored "in the name of Jesus".

You see, this CANNOT be faked...and this is EXACTLY the reason why NO AMPUTEE HAS EVER HAD A LIMB RESTORED by a faith healer....because it cannot be falsely represented....hence, it cannot be done.

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark I actually live in Diamond Bar so I am probably very close to you. Also, make sure that your pastor is comfortable with "restoring a limb" from an amputee. My guess is that he will refuse to "perform" such a miracle....because it cannot be done.

Please give the address of your church and the time. I would also like to address the congregation and relate my experiences and evidence which contradicts your Bible.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 What you don't want to return my messages?? I said we could meet up

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark The changes for what you would consider "Macro-E" take place over hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Yet, there is no mechanism which limits genetic change over time. What the two categories truly signify is the limits of any particular human's *belief*. This would be considered a non-existent division between 'believable' and 'unbelievable' based on religious 'faith' from a 2,000 year old holy book.

[CMO999]

@MissedTheMark You had me curious there, but.. 50 short legs? That's at least 25 people. Short legs are not that common. ?? Anyone who seriously looks at the evidence cannot deny evolution, but it doesn't necessarily have to be at odds with your religious belief. There are those who believe that evolution was the mechanism by which God created us. People of when the Bible was written could not understand such a sophisticated idea hence their creation story is oversimplified.

[MissedTheMark]

@CMO999 Short legs are more common than you know. Most people don't even know they have a short leg unless somebody checks it.. The reason for much lower back pain is because of a short leg.. As far as evolution goes, it doesn't matter to me.. What matters is if God is real or not.. I've already had the question answered..

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark By the way, Randy(dot)org is offering $1,000,000.00 for ANYONE who can PROVE any form of supernatural event.

So, simply PROVE that ONLY ONE of these alleged "miracles" actually occurred and then you can give the $1,000,000.00 to charity.

[MissedTheMark]

@CynicalSkeptic1 Ha.. Number 1, he'll never pay it, nor would he care to find out about it.. Atheists make their mind up long before they ever make a challenge to anything. I know that from personal experience. It's all fluff.. Number 2, the only reason an Atheist would care to give anything to charity is to try to disprove the criticism about the stigma of an Atheist as being selfish, and angry. Atheists don't care about human life unless their life..

[CynicalSkeptic1]

@MissedTheMark You said "Ha.. Number 1, he'll never pay it, nor would he care to find out about it.."

I'm sorry Sir, if you actually had proof then you could submit the evidence and collect the reward. The reason that he won't pay the reward is because supernatural events don't appear to exist in reality.

You could invite him to view your "miracles" much the same way you invited me. Then the "miracles" could be videotaped and you could sue him if he would not honor the reward.

[CMO999]

@MissedTheMark Hmm. I thought that you were someone that i can talk to but then I glanced over this "the only reason an Atheist would care to give anything to charity is to try to disprove the criticism about the stigma of an Atheist as being selfish, and angry. Atheists don't care about human life unless their li" etc.. now I think you're an arrogant, ignorant jackass.

[MissedTheMark]

@CMO999 And you're the reason why Atheists have bad reputations as being angry, confrontational, hateful, and uncompassionate.. You're all the same..

[CMO999]

@MissedTheMark What makes you think I'm an "atheist"? I never said that. I was being polite and respectful CynicalSKeptic1 is being kind of trollish, yes, but the things you say to him (and to me now) are ignorant, assumptious.. I don't believe for one second that YOU know ANYTHING about what it means to be Christlike with that kind of lousy attitude. I won't read any more from you since there's no hope of a constructive conversation now that you have revealed your true colors.

[MissedTheMark]

@CMO999 Because you show what I said you were. Well, unlike people like you, I don't get paid to help people. I actually do it on my own time.. I don't get paid to fix with people with mental issues, I befriend them because they don't have anyone. To me they have value. To you they increase your 401k. Don't come on here acting all self-righteous like you know what a real Christian is.. A real Christian is a doer and not a talker.. I talk and I walk the walk.. You on the other hand talk..

[CMO999]

@MissedTheMark You think the only reason people help other people is because they really care what YOU think about them? Good Lord! They say a man reveals himself the most in his judgements of others. You're the one who doesn't care about life. And you have the gall to call yourself a Christian.

[Pfsif]

Why doe Doug not allow comments on his videos? He seems too proud to take correction, he's very religious.

[miking193]

@Pfsif I don't know, you'd have to ask him.

[BlueFJ4X4]

@Pfsif

I have the same question. Seems pretty chicken $h!t.

[lastochka101]

why is the date this was released January 29, 2011.

[miking193]

@lastochka101 Because that's the day we uploaded it? I'm not sure I understand your question.

[meditateORdie]

I don't go around pointing other peoples sins but when a person calls themselves a man of God but are really just using Jesus as a way to take advantage of vulnerable people , i'm going to say something about it. The problem is you're looking at one verse in the bible about Satan being an accuser and lumping all who make accusations as being of the same spirit. There have been several witnesses and their stories don't contradict each other...please use some common sense.

[meditateORdie]

miking193

i'm sure you aren't interested in endless debate on youtube(we've all been there done that) so i'll just finish by saying all I can say is keep praying about the situation becuae ultimately only God knows all things. 

[meditateORdie]

Miking i've got respect for you because you're sincere but I'm telling you you're dealing with a sociopath. You have no idea what you're up against.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie How do U know he's a sociopath? Have U had time w/ him, or is it just from an observation from his videos, & others people have made about him? I don't claim the guy is perfect, & I know him from a lot of first hand experienc; I know he has some faults, we all do. I still have a mostly positive view of what he does from an outside perspective (1,200 miles away), it's not like I am an adnorning fan who follows him around all day & is need of him to be praised, to get my self worth.

[meditateORdie]

CONTINUED Most of the victims are vulnerable,weary etc and mostly women and so are easy to manipulate so he's obviously not going to go directly after you but then there is also a powerful spirit involved which can overcome any human including you.

[meditateORdie]

CONTINUED

Can I prove he's a sociopath? No. Can you prove he isn't ?

Read Deuteronomy 19:15, there have been more than 3 witnesses and unlike the ones' who accused Christ these particular witnesses have stories that do line up with each other. People were hurt and It isn't fair to throw out their testimony because they supposedly have a "Red Dragon". I pray you see the Red dragon is just a tool he uses to downplay ppls testimony against him.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie Well have you kept track of the witnesses against him? Most of his accusers have deleted their videos about him, & won't face Doug directly, we cover this & some of their specific claims head on in the following videos, if you haven't seen them, maybe they'd help you. One of them deleted their videos after we made this one's. Jesus had a lot witnesses against him too that were false. I am not saying Doug is on par with Jesus just using it as an analogy.

[meditateORdie]

@miking193 Have you ever been abused?There's a lot of shame that comes over you when you're victimized and for the most part victims don't go public. coming on youtube and talking of  being abused is emotionally draining and it's harder for a victim to face an abuser than it is for an abuser to face a victim. If Doug is a sociopath than it's very easy for him to come on here and face people as there is no remorse on his part(this is a sociopath trait).Socipaths can even believe their own lies.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie If these accusers really had God in them, they should not fear men. What weapon against them should prosper, the answer is none. I was there when certian people who claimed to be abused there & they didn't complain at the time & my wife & her used to be alone together for hours, & it never came up, in fact quite the opposite. Hetgow why won't he face Doug live, he's got all those guns & Doug won't even strike another person, so I don't think mr trigger happy has anything to fret.

[meditateORdie]

@miking193

If God lives in you then you should never feel lonely because after all there is a friend that sticks closer than a brother...see how flawed that is? Whether you have God or not you don't cease to be human. No matter how much God you have in you if someone were to abuse you, it would cause trauma which makes it difficult to face an abuser. I can't speak for Hetgow but if he believes Doug is a wolf then what's the point of meeting? To try and talk sense into Doug? See my point?

[miking193]

@meditateORdie I can't say I have ever been abused physically but we all deal w/ abuse at some level. For instance at work my coworkers know about my beliefs (one part being a Christian means you help others) & can take advantage of my generosity & more less put me in a position to do there share of the work. Everyday I have to face them, but I chalk it up to showing mercy because I want God to merciful to me. Side note, beings they aren't helpless I'm not sure how long I will be as generous.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie If people were abused by Doug & not over reacting or revising history to fit their conscience it might B harder to know what to do but I don't think Doug abused anybody. We were there while most of the supposed abuse was going on & my wife & his wife we're alone together often & it never came up. In fact she often spoke well of Doug. Doesn't mean 100% it didn't happen but it makes it circumspect in my eyes. I haven't heard anything Doug did that was abusive strange but not abusive

[meditateORdie]

@miking193

As I pointed out before Doug didn't and will not abuse someone like you,Hetgow or anyone else who isn't an easy target. Mislead...yes but he's not going to overtly abuse you. There's a pattern as far as the one's who were overtly taken advantage of. Women, vulnerable, sick etc...easy targets. If Doug isn't a coward than no one is. If the one's he abused were to face him once they were healed I guarantee you he would be reduced to tears.

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie There is no proof Doug abused people, only accusations.

The most righteous of people are always accused of the worst of evils, unless there is a proof it only confirms my stance that accusers are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch I don't go around pointing other peoples sins but when a person calls themselves a man of God but are really just using Jesus as a way to take advantage of vulnerable people , i'm going to say something about it. The problem is you're looking at one verse in the bible about Satan being an accuser and lumping all who make accusations as being of the same spirit. There have been several witnesses and their stories don't contradict each other...please use some common sense.

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie I'm not basing anything on one verse.

Common sense is that if someone is making accusations against someone, yet is completely unwilling to discuss the accusations, and actually ignores you and blocks you on there youtube channel from asking ANY questions,

They are obviously not honest people.

Doug's accusers will not even reply to my emails, and like miking193 said they seem to remove all there videos accusing him, I love Doug more then his accusers, for obvious reasons

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch They've given their testimony and many still don't believe them and some have even demonized them. Have you ever thought about how emotionally drained they are?

Read some of my comments here and maybe you'll see my perspective. Last I checked he wanted a third wife and uses something he calls dialogues with God as a way of making it seem like God's will for him. Go research past cult leaders and you'll see they did the same thing. You may not see it now but eventually you will

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie No one believes them because they are liars and they do have demons.

They go on quoting scripture and law and curses from the old testament, but will not accept the fact that the holy spirit may direct you to do something which others are told not to do.

LIARS! I DON'T NEED PERSPECTIVE OF LIARS "YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THERE FRUITS"

The Fruit of your peers is nothing but accusations, and no good works.

Shut up or prove yourself, not to me but the GLORIOUS GOD!

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch How do you know they have demons and are liars? Because Doug said they have a Red Dragon? I agree God tells people to do things others are told not to. I don't even know the people you call accusers (other than their you tube testimonies)... if that's what you're thinking. As far as proving myself to God I don't know what you mean. It just sounds like religious talk to me. Why Get angry at me? I'm only responding back to you.

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie

LOL you are only here to deceive.

I HOPE SATAN DIES INSIDE OF YOU,

peace

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch Don't say I didn't warn you.

Peace

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie GOD gives me all I need, you are just a goofy person, with little intellect, insight, or common sense.

Stop listening to tech nine if you want salvation: "don't say I didn't warn you" HAHAHA

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch yes I hope I don't end up in hell for listening to the wrong music.

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie The music you listen to reflects your values, morals, and attitude.

You value the things of this world so much you reject GOD,

Don't you think for the same reason he might reject you?

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch

You don't know my values and no I don't think he will send me to hell for listening to tech nine. Everything you've said has either been an oxymoron or cliche... If you really do smoke please substantially increase the amount.

[blazinbudsbitch]

@meditateORdie some of my response is just poking fun at you, you are either clueless or you just twist what I say in your head to suit your liking.

I've only had 1 bong toke in the last few days, and GOD has shown it just gives me confusion and hesitation, I really really like blazing though so I will ask if I can do it on the sabbath (hopefully it shouldn't affect my day of rest or me negatively)

I don't think he'll send you to hell either for your music, I think we'd all be damned then

[meditateORdie]

@blazinbudsbitch I was also half joking when I said you should increase how much you smoke. I don't think it's a sin to smoke but it can hinder your walk if you abuse it. I guess it depends on your state of mind as marijuana seems to heighten my emotions so if you're in a good mood it heightens it and if you are in a bad one vice versa. As far as a voice speaking to me if it's gradually making life miserable for me then that's a red flag.

[meditateORdie]

CONTINUEDE I have more experience than most people when it comes to compulsive liars, sociopaths etc.. and it still took me a while to figure him out. You're obviously not a an adorning fan but I feel you are defending someone you consider a "brother" which shows loyalty...good but I'm telling you he isn't what he appears to be.

[meditateORdie]

CONTINUED

I haven't spent time in liberty but have talked to him over the phone a few times and believed he was the real deal for a while but the more conversations I had the more subtle red flags there were.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie One of the only people to stay publically opposed to Doug is hetgow & he has his problems too. He has another channel safearmsreview where he teaches people amoung other things how to kill people (given in self defense.) He has about 12,000 or so subs. He is not exactly the best example of someone who loves others the way Christ loved his apostles. I can't imagine Jesus teaching people how to shoot their enemies. In the near future we'll do videos on violence & Jesus don't mix.

[meditateORdie]

@miking193

There are others who have videos on here and a few who for whatever reason have removed theirs(couldn't handle the spot light...and I don't blame them). The bible says thou shalt not kill not thou shalt not murder. If someone tried to physically harm one of your loved one's would you just stand there and let it happen? Be honest brother. "the Lord is a man of war" ,"sell your cloak and buy a sword etc I could go on but me and you would just go in circles arguing over scripture

[meditateORdie]

@meditateORdie

Just let me add i'm not pro violence but I just don't think there's anything worng with defending yourself if attacked.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie most of the world would agree with you, my flesh wants to agree with you, but I can't defend it using the scriptures & I can find it many times that we R at best to flee punishment, & enjoy suffering, persecution for Christ. The apostles weren't ninjas. Jesus was God could have taught them the best martial arts in the world & yet he told them if you try to keep you life (life on earth) you will lose it (life in heaven) if you are willing to lay it down (as he did) you'll gain it.

[miking193]

@meditateORdie Luke 22:36 But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Cont..

[miking193]

@meditateORdie cont.. That passage in Luke was Jesus fulfilling prophecy that he'd be counted w/ the transgressors. Notice there were 11 apostles there & only 2 swords, & Jesus said that was enough. He wasn't saying forever on carry swords & use them, no just for that night, hence he said that is enough. Did Paul defend himself with a sword, no sometimes he fled, but often he was beaten without defending himself, & he said to follow his example.

[meditateORdie]

@miking193

It's hard to spot one and almost impossible to prove to another that a person is a sociopath(most don't find out a person is until they end up being victimized by one). You could even be married to one and never know it until they feel their facade of being normal is no longer beneficial to them and so first hand experience isn't enough.

[christophorM]

IT's not beware of one man... but if "any man" add to the word of God with their own opinions or doctrines or take away from the word of God, we should get out from under that teaching.The false prohet will plant a seed of another Jesus/spirit/or Gospel.....1corinthians 4:6 that in us you might learn to not go beyond the things that are written....and a elder in a office should have the signs of mark 16:17 &18. not some other signs not listed.

[miking193]

@christophorM 1Corn 4:6 I may be wrong but I don't think it's likely it's talking about don't go beyond what's written in the cannon, because some of the New Testament wasn't even finished yet at Paul writing this, such as 2Corn. I think a better understanding of that verse is in the KJV which says don't think of men above what is written. In Mark those R signs of a believer not an elder, elder traits R in Timothy & Titus. I don't know that many people that do cast out demons but Doug say he has

[christophorM]

@miking193 you should see the findings of Ivan panin and the numerical proof, that each true word in all 66 books are in place ..it will give you great faith to know the sovereignty of God and that, He is in control watching over his word...A good trick of the devil is: to tell us that you can not trust the words of God through the first Apostles chosen/elected.

[miking193]

@christophorM I've seen Chuck Missler do a series on that, it was fascinating. I pretty much agree with everything you wrote in this comment, & appreciate you reaching out to me. take care.

[conqueringthruchrist]

"Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head" Romans 12:20 It's actually biblical, so Dougs not saying/doing anything "out there", or unkind in that area at least. I once heard it taught that during that time and place in history it's how people would stay warm at night by carrying a stone-wear plate type thing on their head with burning coals atop, actually something nice to do for them. God bless you

[miking193]

@conqueringthruchrist I never heard that before, I always took heaps of coal to mean hurting, but you might be right. I don't know for a fact what his intentions always are, but I'd give a good guess they're usually to be kind & loving. Thanks for the tip.

[OnTheRoadHome]

Isaiah 8:20

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome amen I totally agree. The question is who is guilty of that & to what degree? Unless of coarse you believe somebody can be 100% perfect, which is what I think we should strive to be, but most likely never achieve. Don't forget 1Peter 4 8-9 Love covers a multitude of sins, & 1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. Any time you'd like talk I'd be willing.

[OnTheRoadHome]

Satan can come as an angel of light, and so can his ministers. They can give to the poor, help many, even do miracles. So how is it we are to know who is of God?

Isaiah 8:20 They teach against the Ten Commandments and/or the Scriptures then there is NO light in them.

So you can be fooled by your senses as Eve was, or stick to the Word of God as Eve should have done.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome Every lazy person knows that line of thought, we're saved by faith not works, & anyway the devil's people help the poor out, so why should we. Sure the devil's people out there helping the needy, but shouldn't you be as well. Because the devil's people help out does that excuse you of not helping? Maybe if the real Christians like yourself were out helping more, people would see how much more loving you were then the devils's own, & wouldn't get as lead astray by the fakes.

[OnTheRoadHome]

This is changing the subject, and you are making up stuff as you go.

You do not know what I do for the poor, and just because I do things for the poor does not mean that I am of God.

You deflect. If you are against the Ten Commandments, the Scriptures then no matter what you do it doesn't matter. Then true people of God KEEP His Commandments. Revelation 12:17 / 14:12 / 22:14-15

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome stay calm how I am making things up as I go? Bringing up accusations with out adequately backing them up, is not constructive correction, even in if I was in error. If you'd like we can go over all of Romans 14 which does not support your legalistic view of the Sabbath, it plainly says Rom 14:5 5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

[OnTheRoadHome]

Romans 14 never mentions rest of the Sabbath, it is talking about fasting, some do and some do not.

Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus says that not one crossing of a ( t ) or dotting of an ( i ) will change from the Law. So you can argue with Jesus about that one. He kept the Sabbath, and I will to.

You make things up by arguing with yourself about works based salvation when it is obviously a way to try to change the subject.

May God open your eyes to see.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome your kidding right? Romans 14:5In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. 6Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. you don't think that's talking about the sabbath? If nothing of the old covenant changed why don't you stone people for working on Saturday? Clearly some customs changes such as all foods becoming clean.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome What I hear from you is someone who needs to study more, & needs more caution before condemning others. Salvation is by grace through faith, not works least anyman should boast, we mention that a couple times in the video. Our deeds are evidence of our faith, not the way we earn it. You said I'm arguing with myself, that might only be because your ears are closed & if I'm talking with myself, that's ok nothing wrong with reminding myself of truth.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome reread my comment to U, I did suggest that you may not be that helpful because many people who use that line of thought aren't. Why are so defensive about that? As to what you do, I don't know, but I don't see it as a bad thing reminding you, myself & anybody else, that love covers a multitude of sin, & the actions referenced to being loving our the ones Doug does so often; feeding, clothing & sheltering the poor. It would be good idea for all of us to do them more, do U disagree?

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome Your own case against Doug breaking the commandments were him saying he does the sabbath differently then others. Sometimes he works for awhile without taking one, & at other times he rest for a while like how the Moses & company did while out in the desert. Doug didn't say he's against the sabbath but does it differently. I recommend you read Romans 14 the whole thing but especially 14:5-9 If you'd like we could study it together.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome I saw your videos so I have an idea about your stances, please watch these videos before making further comments, because I address some of these points you already brought up.

[miking193]

@OnTheRoadHome I saw your videos so I have an idea about your stances, please watch these videos before making further comments, because I address some of these points you already brought up.

[OfFoxesAndWolves]

Ephesians 2:8-9 is not the Gospel!

[miking193]

@OfFoxesAndWolves is it not the description of the method for how you are saved, by grace through faith and not of yourselves it is the gift of God. I understand you might say 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 is a better description of the gospel, but Espesians 2:8-9 is critical to how we are to view salvation, & that was my point that Doug is right on teaching how we are saved. Hope this helps.

[evavanjava]

I like it

[jamezbond78]

With all due respect, you are experiencing a delusion if you believe this FOTM ministry is of God. I don't know much about it, but from what little that I've seen, it is clearly a cult and a false religion. Check out some videos by Candayo. She is Doug's former spiritual wife and she left that cult. She can tell you about how unbiblical and disgusting it is. Doug sounds more like a sexual pervert that abuses women, than someone that follows Jesus Christ. I pray your eyes are opened. God bless.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 "With all due respect, you are experiencing a delusion if you believe this FOTM ministry is of God. I don't know much about it" maybe should refrain from speaking until you know what your talking about then. My wife & I know Candayo well, we respond to her point in upcoming uploading videos. Please use specifics that you concretely have knowledge of rather than generalities.

[jamezbond78]

@miking193 the fact that you're defending a cult leader, means God has sent you a delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11) You should not trust in any man, but God and the Bible. The Bible says that there are many false teachers and wolves in sheeps clothing. The way to tell them apart is to use the Holy Scriptures. I am not using generalities, but giving you the truth. If it contradicts the scriptures, then it is of the devil. There are many false religions out there, FOTM is just one of them.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 from you own words you have no idea what you are talking about "I don't know much about it" & it be best if you kept silent until you learned more about what the accusations you are spouting off. Do you know what the scripture says about spreading rumors & slander? Proverbs 18:13Spouting off before listening to the factsis both shameful and foolish.

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[jamezbond78]

@miking193 I don't need to know very much about it. All I need to know is that it contradicts the word of God and it's of the devil. God's doctrine is 100% pure. Satan is very clever and is master deceiver. He makes you believe something is good by appearance, but under the surface it's filthy. Read the Gospel and do not let any man deceive you.

I was once involved in a cult and my eyes were blind so I know how difficult it is to see the truth. That is why I pray your eyes will be opened.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 slow down lets reason through this. Does the proverb not say you should hear both sides before making a judgment otherwise you are a fool? Beings that is does say that, I think it be only wise for to hear the other side before definitevly casting your lot, saying someone you admittedly said you know very little bit about is a no good cult leader. You might say I heard his ex wife testimony & things looked really bad, ok but the scriptures say you still should hear the other side.

[jamezbond78]

@miking193 Like I said before, I already heard both sides. I'm not here to debate you/FOTM. I'm only here to warn you and give you the truth that FOTM/Doug is a cult and their teachings are not according to the scriptures. There are a number of testimonies out there of people leaving the cult. You should listen to their warnings as well. It's difficult to see the truth when you are in the grip of a charismatic leader speaking to you half-truths.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 your words demonstrate U R incapable of thinking clearly at this time. I have tried reaching U twice & U return to your incoherent thought babbling. U said UR not here to debate Doug, but UR trying to persuade me out of my position towards Doug, isn't that a form of debate do you have any idea of what you are talking about? Yeah people made testimonies against Doug this is in response to them, so obviously I'm aware of them, unlike you admitted self, I'm aware of the subject matter.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 "you are in the grip of a charismatic leader speaking to you half-truths" did you watch the video, I haven't lived with Doug in over 4 months, & have had little contact with him since. "There are a number of testimonies out there of people leaving the cult." what's your point. Them leaving isn't sufficient evidence he's the problem, they could be. Just because I say you are guilty doesn't mean you are. You have to hear both sides & decide where does the evidence point towards

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 I will be uploading more videos to this series throughout the night, it's only right for you to hear them out before slurring what could be slanderous accusations. Just because hypothetically your wife or friend might leave you one day, doesn't mean they'll testify with a clear head & sound mind about all your secretes, there might be some heavy emotional biases there. I fully recognize from an outside perspective how all the anit Doug videos could make him look awful.

[miking193]

@jamezbond78 Proverbs 18:13Spouting off before listening to the factsis both shameful and foolish.

Proverbs 18:17The first to speak in court sounds right—until the cross-examination begins.

[jamezbond78]

@miking193 I have heard the facts and I tell you the truth that FOTM is a cult. Do not allow yourself to be deceived. Repent and believe in the word of God and you will be saved. For salvation comes from God, not from another man.

Read your Bible and find out the truth.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

I pray that God brings you the truth.

[stasearoshell]

We think this is our Fathers true heart and desire for all of His beloved on the earth in these last days!! The fact that you have been able to disagree w/Doug or any professed believer and still have LOVE then THAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL!!! We all have flaws, weakness, deception, FLESH and demonic attacks trying to destroy OUR UNITY!! Yashuah's last prayer? "Father I pray that THEY be one as you and I are ONE!!" It is by our love for each other that the world will see HIS Light & love HIS TRUTH!!!

[stasearoshell]

ps~ True liberty and Love from the Holy Spirit is never controlling and it sounds to me like Doug is free from that just by not condemning you for leaving!! KUDOS to Doug for that!!! You two are free and led by His Spirit and that is good fruit! PERIOD! I just wanna hug that baby!!! Love you both, we should be moving soon/end of Feb., and Abba just gave us a great travel trailer!! She sounds soooooooo sweet!!!

[miking193]

@stasearoshell Thanks for the support, Sis! Still hoping to call soon - my apologies for being so late! Love you and would like to talk to you soon! God bless you and your family!