Thanks for sharing the vid. Great insight on the majority of us who only get a taste of what they've feasted on...Side comment-don't know if it was the voice of Jonny Copp or the way the vid was laid out, but it reminded me a lot of Endless Summer II. Kindred passions.
that was brilliant, i have no experience in mountaineering at all but have joined a club that trains you for it and am very eager to start. my dream to to hike through the himalayan mountains someday. rest in peace guys this video was truly inspiring. "it is better the live one day as a lion then hundred days as a sheep"- proverb
@michdudeada you're not placing gear or climbing, you just set up a rappel anchor and slide down the rope like at the end and then you pull down your rope and continue
Certainly they push each other, and the awesome achievements of one group often inspires another group to try something else that seems undoable. But at their core, they do what they do because it is WHO THEY ARE.
Take for example the guy who just free soloed Half Dome in Yosemite. 2000 ft of unroped climbing on a super steep pitch, and he did to challenge himself (just saw the movie and heard the interview) and to do something that seemed impossible.
faerthen and pekur009 sound like the dems and republicans in congress... Y'all are talking past each other.. f is certainly older and a bit wiser, and p is young and full of confidence.. the truth is, in my opinion, real climbers don't climb to "be the best" they climb because the challenge of doing something monumentally difficult puts them in a state of mind/body/focus that is necessary for them to live. They have to climb because it is where they feel most alive.
It could be competition, but we all want to go bigger and better and be the first to step somewhere even if its not. And all of those things are part of why I climb. Even competition drives me, its not the only thing and not the most important thing, but I don't think there is anything wrong with being competetive. If that was the only thing driving you that would mean that you wouldn't find climbing all that interesting and you wouldn't do it in the first place. Bigger better first is passion.
Actually, there are a quite a few things wrong with unbridled competitiveness.
Competition tends to overshadow the reality that none of this is even possible without the high level of social cooperation that allows an arbitrary set of rules to be determined in the first place...automatically favoring a given group that can then claim superiority. Sort of an interesting conflict with the spiritual claims being made.
And "bigger, better, first" is distinctly NOT the definition of passion. Sorry.
I don't understand your argument. Can you formulate it better and explain what you mean by "set of rules" and why they are "arbitrary' and how they are determined? also why you believe that everyone is capable of doing what Jonny and Micah were doing...you implied this. I think this is completely wrong. They got to do this because they were the best at what they were doing. That is the way it should be and it is the reality. Being the best is being competetive, going for bigger and better.
Don't be petulant. Rather than putting your energy into trying to dumb everything down, use a dictionary if you don't understand the words...and a spell check.
I said I was sorry because rather than just offering back and forth, I was forced to call you out on the foundation of your argument, which is that--in your own words--"Bigger better first is passion". IS is equivalent to =, which IS a definition. If that's not what you meant, then you should retract it.
Also, don't say sorry when you are not sorry, just because it is an expression (it sounds like a teen comeback-I hate it). Make an argument goddamit not some one liner with abstract words like "distinctly" and "defenition." I fucking hate when people slap a defenition on something and use it as an argument, use your own words and refer to the meaning of what I was saying. I never said that they were the "defenition" of passion but that they are part of my passion. Is my passion not true? explain
Your statement that these guys were somehow "the best" [a term determined in a competition to be bigger better first] & that is why they were there & that is how the world works, nicely expresses my original issue about how dubious the emphasis on competition is.
While Copp & Dash were certainly incredibly skilled & accomplished, I think it stretches credibility to claim they were "the best". I don't believe they would have made this claim themselves.
It stretches credebility? I don't think it does, I think you are being pedantic. They were elite climbers and that means that they were among the best. Of course they would not say that themselves! With no competition we would be dead as a species, we would have no technology, internet wouldn't exist, good writers wouldn't be published, the climbers we are talking about wouldn't be able to climb. Explain why it is dubious? This is really a debate between a capitalist and a socialist...
Good boy. Whenever someone challenges your B&W perspective, call them the S-word to shut them up.
It's dubious because their presence on the expedition was not a contest they won. They were there instead of some "harder" climber because they not only had sufficient skills, but also the vision & person-ability to convince others to put up cash.
That ain't competition, it's cooperation. Same thing that created the internet, et al. But the push to exceed certainly contributed to their deaths.
Of course it did, operating at the elite level in climbing is incredibly dangerous. Most of the great alpinists are dead. My point is that climbing is all about the 'push to exceed'! Why go to China and not just stay in Yosemite? Why leave your gym? In fact, what is the point of leaving the couch and stepping over your doorstep? The reason is to exceed. Having your philosophy, you should be critical of climbing itself. According to your philosophy, climbing is a ridiculous pursuit.
And that is a perfecly fair assesment if you hold your philosphy, I can't argue with that. Why not just hike and spiritually enjoy the mountains through that? right? What is the purpose of placing yourself in life threatening situations? You argue that it is about exceeding, and you are right. The difference between us is that I don't think that it is bad. I still disagree with your statement that these guys weren't the hardest though. Can you explain exactly why you think so? I don't get it...
I wouldn't take anything away from them. They were great climbers. I just disagree with your attempt to rank them & designate a "best" climber. How do you measure? I'd suggest you look at the resumes of Steve House, Rolando Garibaldi, Reinhold Messner, Alex Lowe, etc. & think about it a bit more. I don't think you are necessarily wrong, but when the exceeding becomes less about self-realization & more about competition, it is destructive & pointless. That's what I was initially commenting on.
Give me an example of several non-sponsored climbers who match the ability and previous accomplishments of these guys, you will convince me. I think you won't find any. The reason is that there are very few climbers out there who have completely committed to climbing like these guys. That is what made them the best. They weren't competing directly, you are right. But somehow they became better than everybody else. Thats not competition against others but they were competing against themselves!
They were trying to climb bigger, scarier things. Do you know the feeling of being the first one to make a turn in virgin powder while skiing? If you have ever made a turn in undisturbed powder you would understand the feeling of being someplace that no one has touched yet...being there first
Actually, that's just not true. I've met a number of climbers in the past who were definitely advancing the grades, but couldn't land solid sponsorship because they had bad attitudes. They felt like the world owed them something because they had somehow "won" by being better than everyone else. They didn't understand--as Copp & Dash clearly did--that it's really about how you can help the folks paying the bills, not just how hard you can climb. I've also guided with people like this in the past.
You are right, there are a few climbers out there who are and were elite, of course. But all of the climbers you mentioned have made a living off of climbing. I'm not trying to rank them, I'm trying to say that to become elite you have to be better than most. This is important because I and you like to watch cutting edge climbing which results in them getting sponsored as a result of which they get money to go to china.
micah was a good friend of mine. . . our mutual friend died from climbing ten years ago, and this happens to him. . . . i want to get footage of this. . . . he will be sorely missed. . . . . . . .
garage band loops @ 1 minute. hot.
VegetablJuice 4 weeks ago
6:13 The ledge they are on is insane! Not much sleep that night.
theminiman63 6 months ago
One dislike because that certain "someone" cant stand seeing all "likes"
Thumbs up, relly nice video :) Nice to see jonny in videos even tho hes not around anymore :)
kyatso1 8 months ago
boulder rock club! BoCo represent! great message here
leetface2 9 months ago
Thanks for sharing the vid. Great insight on the majority of us who only get a taste of what they've feasted on...Side comment-don't know if it was the voice of Jonny Copp or the way the vid was laid out, but it reminded me a lot of Endless Summer II. Kindred passions.
Aggie98bqn 9 months ago
I'm a rock climber but! The degree of commitment and skill these guys have is a bit humbling. Hats off.
1138thz 10 months ago
we will go to your way on China soon in this May.
johngyao 11 months ago
They paid the ultimate price. I hope to possess an iota of their motivation and heart some day.
PhotonSherades 1 year ago
great vid.... thankyou!
TheDarrellma 1 year ago
dude... Always, success is making it back home.
ast453000 1 year ago
You will continue to inspire us!!!
mcd123 1 year ago
We'll miss you guys... You'll always inspire us. ... RIP...
miticogaggy 1 year ago
they will be missed, on the other hand they stayed exactly where they wanted
so long quys.....
thundertongue 1 year ago
that was brilliant, i have no experience in mountaineering at all but have joined a club that trains you for it and am very eager to start. my dream to to hike through the himalayan mountains someday. rest in peace guys this video was truly inspiring. "it is better the live one day as a lion then hundred days as a sheep"- proverb
Atvor 1 year ago
As a climber of 31 years befoire I retired, I just can't stop watching this video! I am SO SORRY these guys are gone! I have no further words....
rf7282 1 year ago
Why's going down take less time??
michdudeada 1 year ago
@michdudeada you're not placing gear or climbing, you just set up a rappel anchor and slide down the rope like at the end and then you pull down your rope and continue
kcossette 1 year ago
great vid!
darrellma 1 year ago
Anybody know the name of the song at 0:55?
dannybleh 1 year ago
Rest in peace, this guy was an amazing alpinist, i am really sad about what happended! in memorian.. u k
umess 1 year ago
Do you guys know who's the girl on 00:21?
tiagoapolo 1 year ago
great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nemamnadimak4 1 year ago
Wish I could have met either of you. You are still both an inspiration to us all.
otto5000 1 year ago
i wud love to be up there right now it probably is so beautiful and nice i wish i do that
boop9000 2 years ago
Certainly they push each other, and the awesome achievements of one group often inspires another group to try something else that seems undoable. But at their core, they do what they do because it is WHO THEY ARE.
Take for example the guy who just free soloed Half Dome in Yosemite. 2000 ft of unroped climbing on a super steep pitch, and he did to challenge himself (just saw the movie and heard the interview) and to do something that seemed impossible.
dremarques 2 years ago
faerthen and pekur009 sound like the dems and republicans in congress... Y'all are talking past each other.. f is certainly older and a bit wiser, and p is young and full of confidence.. the truth is, in my opinion, real climbers don't climb to "be the best" they climb because the challenge of doing something monumentally difficult puts them in a state of mind/body/focus that is necessary for them to live. They have to climb because it is where they feel most alive.
dremarques 2 years ago
Great video, and tribute.
kwmachineworks 2 years ago
I think this is an amazing tribute video for them, & it keep the memory of them alive.
darkgift06 2 years ago 14
RIP Jonny, you are so very missed!
luvgravity1 2 years ago 43
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luvgravity1 2 years ago
climbing is a life style, its not a competition. but is good knowing you are better than your friends at some routes:D.
snowyywwinters 2 years ago
wth is that? 2.34
ThisIsHafiy 2 years ago
Long live Jonny and Micah!
feddan 2 years ago 4
Amazing video!!! RIP guys.
JohnHMedia 2 years ago
R.I.P chaps
sugarybitch4 2 years ago
With two of these guys now dead [Copp & Dash], it's interesting to reflect on the entire ethic of films like this.
Yeah, everyone will say, "But they had passion & died doing what they loved", but is that real?
Or was it just yet another competition to do bigger & better & first?
faerthen 2 years ago
It could be competition, but we all want to go bigger and better and be the first to step somewhere even if its not. And all of those things are part of why I climb. Even competition drives me, its not the only thing and not the most important thing, but I don't think there is anything wrong with being competetive. If that was the only thing driving you that would mean that you wouldn't find climbing all that interesting and you wouldn't do it in the first place. Bigger better first is passion.
pekur009 2 years ago
Actually, there are a quite a few things wrong with unbridled competitiveness.
Competition tends to overshadow the reality that none of this is even possible without the high level of social cooperation that allows an arbitrary set of rules to be determined in the first place...automatically favoring a given group that can then claim superiority. Sort of an interesting conflict with the spiritual claims being made.
And "bigger, better, first" is distinctly NOT the definition of passion. Sorry.
faerthen 2 years ago
I don't understand your argument. Can you formulate it better and explain what you mean by "set of rules" and why they are "arbitrary' and how they are determined? also why you believe that everyone is capable of doing what Jonny and Micah were doing...you implied this. I think this is completely wrong. They got to do this because they were the best at what they were doing. That is the way it should be and it is the reality. Being the best is being competetive, going for bigger and better.
pekur009 2 years ago
Don't be petulant. Rather than putting your energy into trying to dumb everything down, use a dictionary if you don't understand the words...and a spell check.
I said I was sorry because rather than just offering back and forth, I was forced to call you out on the foundation of your argument, which is that--in your own words--"Bigger better first is passion". IS is equivalent to =, which IS a definition. If that's not what you meant, then you should retract it.
faerthen 2 years ago
Also, don't say sorry when you are not sorry, just because it is an expression (it sounds like a teen comeback-I hate it). Make an argument goddamit not some one liner with abstract words like "distinctly" and "defenition." I fucking hate when people slap a defenition on something and use it as an argument, use your own words and refer to the meaning of what I was saying. I never said that they were the "defenition" of passion but that they are part of my passion. Is my passion not true? explain
pekur009 2 years ago
Your statement that these guys were somehow "the best" [a term determined in a competition to be bigger better first] & that is why they were there & that is how the world works, nicely expresses my original issue about how dubious the emphasis on competition is.
While Copp & Dash were certainly incredibly skilled & accomplished, I think it stretches credibility to claim they were "the best". I don't believe they would have made this claim themselves.
So your world view has a flaw somewhere.
faerthen 2 years ago
It stretches credebility? I don't think it does, I think you are being pedantic. They were elite climbers and that means that they were among the best. Of course they would not say that themselves! With no competition we would be dead as a species, we would have no technology, internet wouldn't exist, good writers wouldn't be published, the climbers we are talking about wouldn't be able to climb. Explain why it is dubious? This is really a debate between a capitalist and a socialist...
pekur009 2 years ago
Good boy. Whenever someone challenges your B&W perspective, call them the S-word to shut them up.
It's dubious because their presence on the expedition was not a contest they won. They were there instead of some "harder" climber because they not only had sufficient skills, but also the vision & person-ability to convince others to put up cash.
That ain't competition, it's cooperation. Same thing that created the internet, et al. But the push to exceed certainly contributed to their deaths.
faerthen 2 years ago
Of course it did, operating at the elite level in climbing is incredibly dangerous. Most of the great alpinists are dead. My point is that climbing is all about the 'push to exceed'! Why go to China and not just stay in Yosemite? Why leave your gym? In fact, what is the point of leaving the couch and stepping over your doorstep? The reason is to exceed. Having your philosophy, you should be critical of climbing itself. According to your philosophy, climbing is a ridiculous pursuit.
pekur009 2 years ago
And that is a perfecly fair assesment if you hold your philosphy, I can't argue with that. Why not just hike and spiritually enjoy the mountains through that? right? What is the purpose of placing yourself in life threatening situations? You argue that it is about exceeding, and you are right. The difference between us is that I don't think that it is bad. I still disagree with your statement that these guys weren't the hardest though. Can you explain exactly why you think so? I don't get it...
pekur009 2 years ago
I wouldn't take anything away from them. They were great climbers. I just disagree with your attempt to rank them & designate a "best" climber. How do you measure? I'd suggest you look at the resumes of Steve House, Rolando Garibaldi, Reinhold Messner, Alex Lowe, etc. & think about it a bit more. I don't think you are necessarily wrong, but when the exceeding becomes less about self-realization & more about competition, it is destructive & pointless. That's what I was initially commenting on.
faerthen 2 years ago
Give me an example of several non-sponsored climbers who match the ability and previous accomplishments of these guys, you will convince me. I think you won't find any. The reason is that there are very few climbers out there who have completely committed to climbing like these guys. That is what made them the best. They weren't competing directly, you are right. But somehow they became better than everybody else. Thats not competition against others but they were competing against themselves!
pekur009 2 years ago 3
They were trying to climb bigger, scarier things. Do you know the feeling of being the first one to make a turn in virgin powder while skiing? If you have ever made a turn in undisturbed powder you would understand the feeling of being someplace that no one has touched yet...being there first
pekur009 2 years ago
Um. Yes. I do. Have you ever read Dolores Lachapelle? Might help you see beyond the ski-porn mentality.
faerthen 2 years ago
Actually, that's just not true. I've met a number of climbers in the past who were definitely advancing the grades, but couldn't land solid sponsorship because they had bad attitudes. They felt like the world owed them something because they had somehow "won" by being better than everyone else. They didn't understand--as Copp & Dash clearly did--that it's really about how you can help the folks paying the bills, not just how hard you can climb. I've also guided with people like this in the past.
faerthen 2 years ago
You are right, there are a few climbers out there who are and were elite, of course. But all of the climbers you mentioned have made a living off of climbing. I'm not trying to rank them, I'm trying to say that to become elite you have to be better than most. This is important because I and you like to watch cutting edge climbing which results in them getting sponsored as a result of which they get money to go to china.
pekur009 2 years ago
What double ropes are in 5:28?
NHRangerCC 2 years ago
rest in power
domonite 2 years ago 3
Who passed? Mica Dash?
rngrchad 2 years ago
Rest in Peace
805pilot 2 years ago
1:35 to 1:40 i swear shes magic or something she did that so fast
MrGravyboat 2 years ago
micah was a good friend of mine. . . our mutual friend died from climbing ten years ago, and this happens to him. . . . i want to get footage of this. . . . he will be sorely missed. . . . . . . .
hayseedboys 2 years ago
Sad to hear the news
trousermcgee 2 years ago
2:35 - 2:37 WTF! R.I.P. J
LLAX64 2 years ago
I can't really imagine how you felt !
mahan222 2 years ago
I can't really imagine how you felt !
mahan222 2 years ago
or frolic in the hills!!!!!
tankgrl 2 years ago
yes indeed. rip great souls.
tankgrl 2 years ago
rip
bizquicks 2 years ago