Re: HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think"

[iiiiihexiiiii]

@AquaKire Well in the earlier comments I gave examples of how Hitler and the Nazis were leftists but only because there is a debate on what spectrum they fell under. The other people were openly avowed leftists that a quick google search would bring up in seconds.

[juan563]

Interesting to note how far out of sync the audio is with the video. Very distracting.

[MrTruthier]

ATTENTION ALL PALIN AMERICANS! HITLER WAS NOT LEFT WING!!!

there, now you can continue being fucking retards.

[GSpocK1]

@MrTooter what was right wing about hitler fascism?

[Asthetic32]

Anti gay Anti immigration beleived in limited taxation Anti womens rights (cooking,children,church was his motto) anti unionization anti abortion anti contraceptives anti mixed marriages. Antisemetic due to biblical refrences and influenced by the good father martin luthers book THE LIFE AND LIES OF THE JEWS.

[GSpocK1]

@Asthetic32 republicans anti womens rights? FAIL! dems were anti abortion in 1940. anti mixed marige laughable! the democrats organization the kkk lynched blacks who were with white women. antisemetic what a ingnoramous. the left suports israel? occupy wall street openly attack and blame jews. NAZI is a german acronym, translation=national socialist party. hitler was a socialist.



[urbman29]

@MrTruthier lol,hitler was left wing....

[gmakepiece]

@urbman29 Yes, Hitler was a COLLECTIVIST and a totlal government control SOCIALIST thus left. The Nazi Party is short for National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party. Hitler enforced 100 percent tax, total GUN CONTROL of disarming the people, extreme environmentalism & nature worship, total control of media, enforced membership & group activity & so on. Geremans darkly joked of Communist & Nazi vying for power in the 1920's as "potatoes & turnips", meaning they were virtualy identical.

[gmakepiece]

@urbman29 U DON'T READ. Hitler & Stalin were allies & signed a pact & were VERY similar people. Nazi & Soviet propaganda was often identical. Soviet "New MAn" and the Nazi Aryan Man etc. Hitler & Stalin Parallel Lives by Alan Bullock. Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. The Black Book of Communism. United In Hate the left romance with tyranny. YouTube Uri Bezmenov. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, STASI, Pol Pot, Fidel & Che the child killer, Hilter, Kim Sung, SLA, BLA, Weathermen etc. ALL LEFT.

[urbman29]

@gmakepiece i was agreeing with u...lol.I hate mis understandment on the internet.>.<

[gmakepiece]

@urbman29 Ditto. I was AGREEING with you! I posted the comment ot the wrong box. It's the way they post the names without stating to or from. Yes, "misunderstanding" IS a drag, but who can understand it?! Hey hey. All the best.

[urbman29]

@gmakepiece xD

[gmakepiece]

@urbman29 United In Hate the lefts love affair with tyranny by Jamie Glazov, Shakedown Socialism by Red Square, Radical In Chief Stanley Kurtz, Cultue of Corruption Michelle Malkin, zombietime com, lookingatheleft com, thepeoplescube com, dissectleft blogspot com, atlasshrugs2000 typepad com, colonelrobertneville blogspot com, PJTV com, memritv org, breitbart com, michellemalkin com, pajamasmedia com, steynonline com, Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt blogs, jihadwatch org, iowahawk typepad com,

[localhost008]

I'm voting Republican because knowing too much can make you sad and frustrated. Life and decision making is too complicated when you're aware of just how little you know. That's why I subscribe to doctrines that make decisions for me! I'm sticking to Fox 'News' and my Bible to casually dismiss fact and make the burdensome complex decisions that effect our world and my life.

[BroadcastAds]

Scientific studies not just suggest, but prove conservatives are far happier than their counterparts. However, you falsely try to make the case that conservatives champion a larger government to make decisions fr us such as school choice, retirement savings, healthcare, and energy.

Truth is, we want government to stay the fuck out of our lives. Get out of they way. Government is the largest obstacle to anyone trying to achieve success.

[localhost008]

"Scientific studies not just suggest, but prove conservatives are far happier than their counterparts."

Point taken. Ignorance is bliss and you're proud of it. 'God' bless.

"Government is the largest obstacle to anyone trying to achieve success."

Define 'anyone' and 'success'.

[mowriter]

ACTUALLY, scientific studies point to Conservatism as a form of neurosis. Consider the following elements:

1. suspicion of ambiguity

2. hostility to the unfamiliar

3. severe devotion to a central, charismatic leader.

Have tried posting the URL here before, but no luck. Google the term, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition"

[Libtarded]

Your attempt at sarcasm is laughable. It might have been more funny if the things you said weren't actually ideology that you and the rest of your liberal ilk hold dear. It is you that wants more government control over our lives. It is you liberals who want a bigger government. At every point and turn liberals are either trying to make our decisions for us or trying to limit the choices we have. Pure ignorance! Or rather, willful ignorance.

[localhost008]

"It is you that wants more government control over our lives."

Actually no. To a Liberal, the purpose of government is to protect 'We the people' (the majority) from 'We the Rich White Landowners' (the 10% minority that owns 72% of the wealth).

If you happen to be part of that minority then yes, we want to regulate your actions for OUR protection whether it's environmental policy, financial regulation (min-wage, unions), or limits on ownership of media outlets.

Greed is opposed to humanity.

[Libtarded]

Also, you just gotta love those ignorant liberals that relate anyone with a differing point of view from mainstream liberal ideology to bible thumping fox news watchers.

[localhost008]

Notice how you don't refute my observations. You cop out of discussion by spewing pat answers you don't understand that have been fed to you by your extremist right-wing pundits. They've fed you misconceptions like "Big Government" and GOP "debate" lingo ('debate' is a complement even in quotes) such as "ideology".

Thinking independently is not a virture in right-wing (a.k.a Right-Wing Authoritarian) America and you're only reinforcing that fact.

Republican = Group Think.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

You write that the right has a group think mentality as I just finished a video of little children indoctrined into singing songs praising Obama. Or other videos of people giving Obama "salutes" to each other. Or the catchphrases used instead of actual policy or plans.

You can't see the tree for the forest my friend.

[localhost008]

It's called independent reasoning my friend.

Do you ever see Republicans think logically about fallacies such as "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorist are Muslim" or "Drill here. Drill now. Pay less" for instance? No. Agreement is across the board. Whatever Fox "News" (White House Talking Points) tells them is gospel.

"children *indoctrined(?)" (indoctrinated perhaps?)

Watch 'Jesus Camp' for some perspective. Better yet search "Jesus Camp: Radical Children Indoctrination" on YT.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

All of these things that you listed aren't supported or advocated by the Republican party. That's like saying that Democrats advocate ELF or PETA. While the people that do those extreme things may vote a certain way that doesn't make the ENTIRE party think that way. You've contradicted yourself by giving a broad generalization of an entire party.

Last time I check it's the Democrat Party that has children literally singing Obama's praises. Search for "Obama kids sing" and you'll see!

[localhost008]

Did you watch the 'Jesus Camp' video? It is WAY creepier.

I can't find the original "Obama Kids Sing" video. All I find is hyperbolic rantings right-wing extremist. What a sad lot they are, eh? And you'd think Cons would know kids are puppets of their parents until they reach puberty. Just look at the 11-yo kid from Aurora, CO, who's dad had him wear a t-shirt to school that said "Obama, a terrorists best friend." Poor kid...

"Indoctrined": A non-word used by right-wing extremist bloggers.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Those "Jesus Camp" videos aren't advocating praise for a politician! If you can't see the difference between a religion and a cult of personality then you deserve everything we're going to get for supporting one.

Yet again you have veered off topic because you can't argue what I've said. I am not surprised whatsoever. Stop trying to attack things other than the point I made. I see through your deflection.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Those Obama kids singing videos were posted on Obama's website by the way. He only took them done because people called him out on it.

[localhost008]

What you and your hyperbolic right-wing authoritarian extremist friends are attempting to imply is this:

Because a small group of Obama supporters came together to parade their prepubescent puppet children around to sing praise of a moderate right-of-center politician (whom every redneck calls "Hussein") implies that this is how ALL Obama supporters operate. Talk about broad generalizations! Obama Kids is a far cry from authoritarian government indoctrination or Christian Bible camp.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Ah! There it is a broad insult against all right wingers! AKA: the last resort of a Liberal losing an argument.

What part of "Obama had the video on his website" don't you understand? It's clear what he is trying to do. This doesn't mean he's going to kill millions of people like Hitler but no good comes out of cults of personalities. If you can honestly tell me the opposite and not just disagree with me because I'm right-leaning then there is no talking to you. You're too far gone.

[localhost008]

"cults of personalities"

Are you saying that Obama is some kind of celebrity?

What about Schwarzenegger, Reagan, Sonny Bono, Fred Thompson, Clint Eastwood, Shirley Temple Black, Jim Bunning, Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, George Murphy, Jim Ryun, J. C. Watts, Wilmer Mizell etc?

Do you listen to yourself?

[iiiiihexiiiii]

A cult of personality isn't about celebrities, it's about politicians using hero worship to gain support from people.

With people singing about him uniting the world and he himself saying he's going to lower the ocean levels how can you think it is anything else but a cult of personality?

Think!

[localhost008]

"A cult of personality isn't about celebrities, it's about politicians using hero worship to gain support from people."

Arnold isn't this?

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Do people sing songs about him? Do they make a salute that they show fellow supporters? Does he have propaganda posters of himself made?

No, he doesn't. There is no Arnold cult.

[localhost008]

Do I need to call the Hyperbole Police? What you're speaking of is marketing, not indoctrination. The groundwork and psychological conditioning for Obama to establish a national "personality cult" doesn't exist.

But the groundwork and conditioning for the Right is already in place. Religious Fanaticism has proven to be an endless fountain of indoctrination. All they'd need would be for religious leaders to praise McCain/Palin as "God's Chosen", as they have with Bush.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

You see when I give examples of what I've claimed while you speak in generalities I effectively prove my point while you just ramble.

Again, the Republicans don't use religion to indoctrinate anyone. They don't have Bishops and Cardinals on their candidates political websites telling you to vote for them like Obama has children singing about him. You're trying to make a link to an association that isn't there to sidestep that you can't counter my charges against Obama.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Wait a minute! Did you just call Barack Obama "right of center"!?

[localhost008]

Yes, right-of-center. If America had a real left-wing we'd see Kucinich as the Democratic Presidential nominee.

You lack much perspective, my friend.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

How can you possibly give the most liberal senator of 2007 the title "right of center"? I think now you're just trying to troll me. There is NO WAY you can truly believe this.

[localhost008]

"most liberal senator of 2007"

Cite your source. Just saying something does not make it true.

Again, you lack perspective. The universe is WAY more complex than the black v. white, good v. evil, perspective given to you by your Right-Wing Authoritarian demagogues.

Here's an idea: Read a couple of books and do some charity work. You'll gain perspective eventually.

BTW: Coulter, O'Reilly, and Savage do not count when it comes to reading.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

There you go again with the insults! Trying to say that I'm stupid doesn't help you win this debate. If you can't refute what I'm saying with facts or examples then you should just stop trying to argue with me. Broad generalizations and false opinions doesn't do anything except make you wrong.

[localhost008]

For the sake of example I'm going to ask you a question in the style of Bill O'Reilly: Do actually believe everything you read in books by Coulter, O'Reilly, or Savage? ANSWER THE QUESTION! YES OR NO! IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION! WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER?! DON'T GIVE ME THAT GARBAGE! OH! TYPICAL PINHEAD RESPONSE! WILL YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION?! OK! YOU'RE FAR TOO GONE! YOU ARE CLEARLY INDOCTRINATED BY THE EXTREMISTS! CUT HIS MIC! Have you gained some perspective yet? I thought not.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

So does that mean you still can't refute what I was saying? You're so far off topic no I see no reason to even respond to you anymore. Thanks for proving me right.

[localhost008]

Vote McCain and go back to sleep.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Well, it seems that you are done trying to debate me and have chose the typical Liberal way of ending an argument--insults. It's ok, I don't blame you for not being able to defend your argument.

Thanks for trying though!

[localhost008]

Gosh, you sure offend easily! I only stated some facts about how the Religious Reich here in the US have created a personality cult surrounding Bush and are likely to do the same with McCain. Why are you so sensitive?

I could also say some stuff about how racists/Neo-NAZIs here in the US are more likely to vote Republican/Conservative by a ratio of 1,000,000:1, but I'm not going to...

Oops! I just did!

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Well for that to be a fact you'd have to be correct....which you're not. Like I already said (and you dodged completely) There are not children singing Bush's praises, there aren't followers of Bush giving special salutes to other followers, There aren't propaganda pictures of Bush with one word slogans like a Stalin redux around like there is with Obama.

Nazism by the way, was a product of the left not the right.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

I also like how you tried to say that somehow I'm angry or sensitive. I have yet to insult you like you have me (numerous times)....who is the angry one here? I see through your liberal tactics, you've lost this debate long ago and are now just trolling me.

Unless you come up with something substantial other than snide crude remarks I'm just going to consider you done.

[localhost008]

No songs about McCain?

Google: Raising McCain

FACT: One counter example disproves a premise.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

That video that you gave me wasn't child indoctrination endorsed by a political candidate it was a guy singing a song about who he wants to vote for.

I specifically state that a cult of personality involves (among other things): Child indoctrination and self promoting propaganda slogans. McCain does neither of this. You can't refute what I've said about Obama and now you're trying to deflect it on McCain.....it isn't working.

[localhost008]

"Nazism by the way, was a product of the left not the right."

Incorrect. Nazism is a product of neither left or right. It is pure centrist authoritarianism that focuses on racial superiority and genocide. It just happens that Neo-Nazis support Republican in their want of removing equal rights laws and support their policy of belligerent nationalism and xenophobia. Look up those words if you don't understand.

I hope this clarifies my argument.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

The NAZI party: National SOCIALIST German Worker's party was indeed leftist.

The NAZI's main ideas were:

1) The "common good" over the individual

2) Nationalization of all industry

3) Strong opposition to Capitalism

4) Free Healthcare for all Germans

Every single one of these is leftist ideals. Especially the opposition to Capitalism.

[localhost008]

"National SOCIALIST"

I've had this conversation dozens of times now... You're indoctrinated by SAME misinformation as many others.

Misnomer:n. 1. An error in naming a person or place. 2. 1. Application of a wrong name.  2. A name wrongly or unsuitably applied to a person or an object.

Examples:

1. DEMOCRATIC Democratic People's REPUBLIC of Korea aka North Korea. Not a democracy nor a republic.

2. Bush: Supposed Conservative. He isn't but still isn't a Liberal either.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

You didn't mention anything about WHY I claimed they were Socialist. You went straight for that flimsy argument about being named wrong. (Which I have heard dozens of times) Refute any of those four points I gave you.

[localhost008]

Your points are valid if you want to focus on the Socialism portion, but you're actively ignoring the fact that what made Nazis what they are was the belligerent nationalism, racism, xenophobia, and most importantly GENOCIDE. Are you some kind of Nazi apologist?

If you believe that genocide logically follows after free health care and laws that protect INDIVIDUALS from racism then you're completely off your rocker.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

My whole point about Nazism was that it was a leftist government system, which you tried to claim was right wing. I showed you how it was not right wing whatsoever and how it is actually left wing. (Which you have yet to refute.)

I am no Nazi apologist since I specifically am against any left wing nonsense. You're trying to demonize me instead of debate what I'm saying...it's not working.

Every murderous dictatorship in the past 100 years has come from the left by the way.

[localhost008]

Here is my argument stated logically:

Republicans wish to abolish equal rights laws and to make it impossible for foreign immigrants, legal or illegal, to become naturalized citizens.

Neo-Nazis do not believe equals rights should exist because they believe anyone non-white is sub-human.

Many foreign immigrants, legal and illegal, are non-white.

Therefor Racists and Neo-Nazis are more likely to support Republicans.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

What equal rights laws do they wish to abolish? That's ridiculous.

Republicans are only against ILLEGAL immigration as are the Democrats. Now you're just getting crazy.

Even if any of the were true, the fact that the Nazi's were socialists and THAT makes them far more in common with the left than the right.

[localhost008]

"What equal rights laws do they wish to abolish?"

You don't keep up much with politics, do you? A day never goes by without hearing some loony right-winger talk about how equal rights laws like Affirmative Action are racist against whites.

"[Nazis have] far more in common with the left than the right."

Now you're just name calling. When all is said and done Nazis were pure Authoritarian. Today's Republicans are Right-Wing Authoritarian, for the most part.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Obama himself says that we should base hiring more on class than on race. Affirmative action is criticised by both sides not just the Republicans.

Name something that the Republicans have done that could be considered "authoritarian" please.

[localhost008]

Right-Wing Authoritarianism is actually a set of personality traits.

Authoritarian submission: An individual is invariably submissive to those whom are established as authorities within a group or society.

Authoritarian aggression: An individual expresses aggression directed toward an out-group by example of an authority figure(blacks, homosexuals, Arabs, Liberals). Focus on crime & punishment.

Conventionalism: Strict adherence to cultural norms and bully those who do not follow norms.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

None of the things you stated are followed by the Republican party. There is no agression against minorities like you're trying to claim. You're trying to make out Republicans like they are imposing their will by force and that is simply not happening.

[localhost008]

"You're trying to make out Republicans like they are imposing their will by force and that is simply not happening."

Don't you pay attention to politics?

How many times have you heard Cons/Repubs say "Marriage is between a man and a woman"?

How many times have you heard Cons/Repubs say "Islam is a Religion of hate"?

How about

"Liberals are terrorists sympathizers"?

Have you been paying attention to anything?

[iiiiihexiiiii]

"How many times have you heard Cons/Repubs say "Marriage is between a man and a woman"? "

The Democrats say the same thing. Did you not watch the Biden/Palin debate?

"How many times have you heard Cons/Repubs say "Islam is a Religion of hate"?"

Is that an official Republican platform statement or just people that say that? You're confusing the two. Islam has proven to be a dangerous religion worldwide. Name a war and 9/10 one of the sides is Islam.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

"How about

"Liberals are terrorists sympathizers"?"

Saying stupid things like that is just about as stupid as Liberals saying that Rightwingers are Nazis....like you said already. If it's ok for liberals to say hateful things about rightwingers then why not the other way around? That is called hypocrisy.

[localhost008]

I am not saying ALL Republican politicians feel the same way, but the depend on their constituents believing and acting that way. Repugs are the kings of the "Wedge Issue" that appeal to the emotions, the gut feelings, of Right-Wing Authoritarian followers. Don't you listen to right-wing talk radio?

Nobody said ALL Republicans are Nazis. Neo-Nazi are more likely to be and to vote Republican.

[gmakepiece]

local. Ballas. Er, for two cases of past Presidents ACTUALLY taking away freedoms, one needs only go to Wilson and FDR. Roosie & Mussolini wrote very admiring letters to each other & oh so much more. Wilson shut down newspapers & arrested thousands of Americans, NOT Islamist killers & their pals. Read empirical best seller & for good reasons [Left] Liberal Fascism: the secret history of the Left from Mussolini to the politics of meaning by Jonah Goldberg. & Death of the Grown-Up by Diana West.

[localhost008]

"Name something that the Republicans have done that could be considered "authoritarian" please."

Bush with GitMo and the detainment of many innocent people (who happen to be Arabs) without the right to due process.

Google: Habeas Schmabeas 2007

Gain some perspective. Listen to the program.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Those terrorists in Gitmo were combatants on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan or financial sponsers of terrorist cells.  As prisoners of war AND not being citizens of the US they are rightfully detained for trying to kill Americans.

You mean to tell me that they shouldn't be imprisoned?

[localhost008]

"As prisoners of war AND not being citizens of the US they are rightfully detained for trying to kill Americans." -- "Focus on crime & punishment"

Many were turned in by hearsay of desperate people who needed money. The US govt. gave cash rewards to ANYONE who would claim they had found a "terrorist" in any Middle-Easter country. There was no background checking and no checking of facts. What is meant by "Battlefields" are countries that are not the United States.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Are you trying to say that crimes shouldn't be punished? Not even the Democrats say that so you're on your own there.

What is meant by "battlefields" is indeed battlefields. You can try and misrepresent the facts all you want but that doesn't change the fact that overwhelming majority of these prisoners were intent on killing Americans.

[localhost008]

"Are you trying to say that crimes shouldn't be punished?"

The issue is that Right-Wing Authoritarian personalities would gladly crucify the innocent for the chance to catch a FEW bad guys. Being a bad guy was not a prerequisite for being a prisoner at GitMo.

Why is it that RWAs believe American lives are more important than other lives by at least a factor of 1000:1? Why are fetuses more important by 1000000:1?

Google: Habeas Schmabeas 2007

First link. Full episode. Gain Perspective.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

If you're going to talk about right wingers punishing the innocent then I'll remind you again that the most brutal suppresive dictatorships the world has ever seen has been left wing.

I would think that ANY American would favor their soldiers over ANYONE trying to kill them but I guess I must be crazy.

That Habeas Schambeas nonsense is from NPR. If I want to hear left wing bias I'd read the Daily Kos.

I also want to ask why you're going so far off topic as well.

[localhost008]

"the most brutal *suppressive* dictatorships the world has ever seen has been left wing."

Again, you lack perspective. The dictatorships the US supports are generally right-wing because left-wing dictatorships generally oppose capitalism.

"That Habeas Schambeas nonsense is from NPR."

Peabody award winning "nonsense". You lack perspective and are very narrow minded.

Next.

[gmakepiece]

Balls. Conservative principles R respect 4 the Constitution respect 4 life limited govt & individual responsibility. Primacy of the INDIVIDUAL over the group Non caveat free speech Private property law Freedom 2 succeed or fail The rule of law The right 2 bear arms Capitalist free mkt democracy Free flow of ideas & capital Proven traditions Scientific method The Western Canon Judeo Christianity Patriotism Innovation Rational empirical thought etc. Which one do U not approve of?

[urbman29]

@gmakepiece The liberals want the Government to protect them other than people protecting themselves as an individual.its sad.they also want socialism

[gmakepiece]

@urbman29 Dear urbman. OOPS! I posted a comment to you meant for a dissonant unread lefty. My apologies. I'm on YOUR side.

[localhost008]

Have you ever heard of the fallacy called "Guilt by Association"? Probably not considering you falsely used that fallacy as a premise. It goes something like this.

Hitler was a Nazi.

Hitler was also a vegetarian.

Therefor all vegetarians are Nazis.

What you're saying is:

Socialists believe in socializing EVERYTHING.

Democrats support the socialization of SOME things.

Hitler was a Nazi.

Nazis were socialists.

Therefor all Democrats are Nazis.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

I would never say the Democrats are Nazis, like the liberals try to say the Republicans are. However, socialization of SOME things has always historically led to socialization of ALL things.

I fully believe the Democrats don't know what their policies would mean for future generations. They are well meaning enough but they don't understand that what they're advocating has been done before (and failed.)

[localhost008]

"However, socialization of SOME things has always historically led to socialization of ALL things."

Again, you lack perspective. I hate to break this to you but the US government has for many years given money to corporations in the form of grants and tax breaks. These policies are far from a "laissez-faire" or small govt. approach to economics, unless you of some justification. Google: Corporate Welfare

Do you confirm that you believe socialization inevitably leads do genocide?

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Giving a corporation a tax break isn't giving them money, it's the act of not TAKING the money they've earned. That "Corporate Welfare" theory was made by Ralph Nader....yeah that about says it all right there.

I don't believe that socialism neccesary leads to genocide but all the genocides in the 1900's were done by socialists. I think that hatred leads to genocide and that can come from anyone.

[localhost008]

"hat "Corporate Welfare" theory was made by Ralph Nader..."

Here's another logical fallacy: "Ad Hominem" attack. It is where you attack the messenger rather than attacking the argument proposed.

__________

You're doing it again. You're ignoring the facts to better prop your own ideology. Do you know what a grants and subsidies are? Those are when the government GIVES money!

You set them up, I'll keep knocking them down.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

I actually attacked both argument and character on that one. Giving tax breaks to a company isn't giving them money. And more times than not these grants you speak of our specifically for the company in question to do something exclusively for the government. A good example is paying a company like Chevrolet to develop vehicles for the military. Normally they wouldn't be doing this so the government is acting as a customer to the company.

Nader promotes class warfare.

[localhost008]

"I don't believe that socialism *necessary* leads to genocide but all the genocides in the 1900's were done by socialists."

All genocides in the 1990s were done by socialist? Explain. Cite your source.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

I said the 1900's not 1990's. Let's get some examples of genocides, who caused them, and what part of the political spectrum they fall under.

Pol Pot (leftist)

Hitler (leftist)

Stalin (leftist)

Mao (leftist)

Milošević (leftist)

Between those examples you have hundreds of millions of deaths. Now name me a right wing genocide if you can.

[mycaddigo]

I know this is super old, but very nice post!

[Asthetic32]

@iiiiihexiiiii

HITLER WAS A CONSERVATIVE

THE SPANISH INQUISITION

THE MASSACRES LED IN SOUTH AMERICA BY CONSERVATIVE SETTLERS

The native american holocaust led by conservatives.

The deaths, torture and dehuminization of blacks led by conservatives.

600,000 innocent iraqis killed by... conservatives.

South american right wing dictators killing their own people conservative.

Siad barre in somalia was a socialist who turned to rightwing america killed his own people.

ETC,ETC CHECK UR FCTS

[iiiiihexiiiii]

@Asthetic32 Hitler was a Socialist, Socialists aren't conservatives. How were the Spanish Inquisition people or the settler's of Spanish conquered territories conservative? The American civil war was fought by ANTI SLAVERY Republicans against PRO SLAVERY Democrats. 600,000 innocent Iraqi's? Where did you get that from? All of the Liberals in congress voted FOR the Iraq war so they're responsible too. Name a SA right wing dictator! Barre was always a socialist! Do you know what a fact is?

[iiiiihexiiiii]

@gmakepiece Someone marked your comment to me as spam, another example of how leftists are absolutely intolerant of any dissent.

[gmakepiece]

@Asthetic32 Conservatism is a set of FOUR PROVEN PRINCIPLES & not random individual personalities. They R respect 4 The Constitution meaning freedom of speech & the right 2 bear arms property rights & the rule of law etc, limited govt & low tax, respect for life & personal responsibility thus INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. The Nazi Party AKA NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKERS Party were 4 TOTAL govt control of everything, zero freedom of speech, TOTAL GUN CONTROL, ecofascism, 100 percent tax & total conformity.

[urbman29]

@iiiiihexiiiii they would try and pull a George Bush on you,which is extremely false.Or they would be like*you have to just IGNORE that type of history*.THEY BRING UP OUR HISTORY ALL THE TIME.WTF!?!!!?God Bless you sir

[Asthetic32]

@localhost008 He's an idiot what about hitler? a facsist and an ultra right dictator.

[localhost008]

Search for "Jesus Camp: Radical Children Indoctrination" on YouTube. In that video the adults in the American Religious Reich are making their children pray to a CARDBOARD CUTOUT of George W. Bush! Now THAT is advocating praise for a politician!

"I see through your deflection."

I am not deflecting. I am showing you counter examples which you are systematically ignoring. The FACT is that children are puppets to their parents until they reach puberty. Even Cons puppet their kids for politics.

[iiiiihexiiiii]

Indoctrined is indeed a word and was used correctly in the context I used it.  The fact that you have to try and pick on my spelling proves that you can't defend your point of view intelligently.

[localhost008]

I wasn't trying to pick on you, I was trying to help you. If you aren't going to set high standards for yourself then who will?

Contrary to its common usage on the Internet "Indoctined" is not a word. I checked two dictionaries (and another five if you count Dictionary (.) c0m) and have failed to see it appear in the English lexicon. Look for yourself.

Variations:

Indoctrinate, Indoctrinated, Indoctrinating, Indoctrinates

I hope this helps.

[localhost008]

Lol! I misspelled your non-word!

[localhost008]

I'm voting Republican because "interracial sex is white genocide."

BTW: This is an actual quote from James Edwards, a Right-Wing hate-radio talkshow host, who recently gave voice to Jerome Corsi to plug his new book- Obamanation.

[SHMUJEW]

daily kos and wal mart watch....what the fuck is this communism???????

[BroadcastAds]

Yes, yes it is. (with a smiley face)

[tophy84]

listen to the deception...

[rickrocker]

It's funny how they target youtube in the conversation. Most of the political youtube base is Liberal. The reason Sayet's video was so popular is because it's right and truthful.

[hellyeah762007]

His story mirrored my own, just like him I was a liberal, till I saw their true colors, he's right and the more the liberals deny it the more guilty they look. Friggin Libertarien's suck ass too, ur friggin liberals u ain't foolin nobody.

[rickrocker]

Been there!

[CoCC4America]

Modern liberalism is an attempt by the radical left to leverage a democracy's government power, against the wishes of the founding fathers and the constitution, in an authoritarian manner as naked brute force against all other points of view. It's not liberty. It's the opposite of true liberty and lazzire-faire liberalism.

[rickrocker]

It's so full of double standards. Probably the ugliest ideology ever to face this humanity.

[BroadcastAds]

Well said

[eirefrance]

Right-wing, thats true.  Truthful? That one's a stretch, at best.

[rickrocker]

It's funny how they target youtube in the conversation. Most of the political youtube base is Liberal. The reason Sayet's video was so popular is because it's right and truthful.

[vinniejoe]

Deception? Care to elaborate? Or did you expect a Pavlovian response? Thinking people do not respond to empty buzzwords.