Bootleggers and Baptists: A Conversation with Bruce Yandle

[sandridgehillary]

ur video uploads are so great…

[MarkofBeastRevealed]

bootleggers and baptists lol. King james was born 6, 1566, 6th of scotland, he authorized 66 books and people call them the word of God. Jesus is the word. The bible controls the whole world as you see with the baptists and the bootleggers. America was built on the bible also and controls a lot of the world through bible laws. Those 66 books that every one reverances and that there are more of then people in the world are THE MARK OF THE BEAST. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

[CleRoyster]

Just another Jesuit promoting the NEW WORLD ORDER...

God help us all.

[linxusims]

An Indian version of this is Shiv Sena and Savita bhabhi alliance. Please Google both to know what I mean.

[MURDERORMARIJUANA]

"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."

- George Washington

"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln

"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."

- John Adams, U.S. President

[grraadd]

fanatics are always dangerous...

[dudemanbearpig]

That guy has awful teeth.

[BlueCarp]

Now it's the Conservative Christians and the Columbian Cartels.

[Nonoyawns]

Very educational bit!

[renegade2142]

Bumper sticker idea: "Support your local drug dealer. Keep Pot illegal!"

[averagejoe040]

California only gets 1.4 billion from Marijuana Tax. They need 20 billion to balance the budget. Will they legalize heroin, cocaine and crystal meth? Prostitution? But never on Sunday? Can't wait to see.

[TainaAtheist1]

And this is why it is criminal to legislate morality.

[MrDuckturd]

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the only difference between this dufus and the president is the side they chose to debate.

[FatherTime89]

You know this bootlegger baptist thing can also be applied to us. Watch.

We fight against taxes and restrictions on fast food, soda and other unhealthy food. So does the junk food industry.

We fight against smoking bans so does the tobacco industry.

It works best with bootleggers as opposed to say nuclear power plants because bootleggers are criminals, nuclear power plant owners aren't.

[dorvinion]

@FatherTime89 That is not a Baptist/Bootlegger relationship. Quite the opposite actually. The Baptist Bootlegger mantra is to use government as a means of forcing people to do something. Lobbying to prevent the use of government force is most definitely not the same thing.

[FatherTime89]

Social conservatives, benefiting criminals since 1920.

[DCetrick]

Geeze, this is beautifully shot.

[zepepelin]

if you legalize it, i'll advertise it

[rbrown6984]

Anarchy does not equate to chaos, as many would have us believe. Anarchy is a lack of governmental structure. Order of some sort always arises in groups of humans; government is optional. Unfortunately, there are always plenty of volunteers who are happy to tell us all how to live, asserting that, somehow, they know better how to live our lives.

[HeffeLoco9]

The environmental case is a bit weak. For example, most environmental groups would want carbon taxes, not cap-and-trade. And so would libertarians: a carbon tax would let the free market figure out winners and losers much more than any top-down regulation.

Interesting comparison to the marijuana initiative in CA, though.

[yougiberishtube]

thumbs up

[gir908922]

Marijuana shouldn't have been made illegal in the first place. I've never used it before, but there are many medical benefits to using it.

[TheHairyHeart]

Most excellent, thanks!

[JanisXAChambers]

I don't know If I would compare the cooperation of ecological awareness and the clean energy companies with bootleggers and babtists, but the point is still valid. I just think it's time we throw our money at someone that won't turn our beaches into black sticky death.

[Dreadmore]

Broad strokes. I dont know any baptists who want cap and trade, in fact the opposite is true. All baptists I know oppose cap and trade and all other socialist totalitarian garbage.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@Dreadmore:

But they seem to have a hard-on on drug prohibition, which is one of the most totalitarian policies a free society ever seen. But that may be a misconception I have, so feel free to correct me on that.

Besides, you kinda missed the point of the video. The man uses the Baptists and bootleggers mostly in allegorical sense here.

[Dreadmore]

@Akatam0t0ma that is NOT the most totalitarian thing a society has ever seen, not even close. Also, I didn't see any allegory at all, seemed that he was trying to make the point that "baptists" were against one thing or another for moral reasons and the "bootleggers" were against it for economic reasons and that produced some sort of interwoven yet divergent connection between the two. Simple enough as long as one relies on broad strokes and over simplification to sustain it.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@Dreadmore:

"that is NOT the most totalitarian thing a society has ever seen, not even close."

Really? How is taxing someone more for making more money or omitting carbon to the atmosphere more oppressive than throwing someone in jail for smoking, or even growing a plant? It just boggles my mind that many of those who claim how much they care about freedom think it's a good idea to throw people in prison for possessing plants. That's why we have words like hypocrisy. 

[furyofbongos]

Whenever you have a group in society with the legal right to use force, then you will *ALWAYS* have some other group lobbying them to stifle competition to their benefit.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

@furyofbongos

True that.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Moral of the story: Baptists (and bootleggers) suck.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@Surhotchaperchlorome:

Just read the comments by adamrassatt here as a fine case-in-point.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

@Akatam0t0ma

I have. To put it one way, he's a prime example.

[oilhammer04]

Green energy hasn't worked so well for Spain and now the clean energy folks are looking to America for a source to continue getting money for that which didn't work in Spain.

[TheCaptainLulz]

@oilhammer04 were not going to get rid of either, and the money is needed for developing the technology. If green energy becomes cheaper to make, do you think companies like edison will keep burning coal. Its about money, the more expensive conventional fuel gets, the less there will be opposition to green energy, wahct and see.

[oilhammer04]

@TheCaptainLulz, green energy is fine . . . . we will see. Jonah Goldberg wrote an interesting article, "Oil: The Real Green Fuel." Check it out if you get a chance.

[libertyfizz]

Fantastic video if you can watch the whole thing. It takes a round about way to get to the point that there is a very good chance Marijuana will become legal in California. That now is a watershed moment in CA history for such a thing to happen. Many who want it to remain illegal are the criminal types who profit from the inflated price of prohibition.

[diaverde09]

I'll have to remember this "baptist and bootlegger" theory.

[adamrassatt]

The easiest way of getting crime is to get rid of laws.

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

I agree when it comes to victimless crimes but your comment is very broad.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 I was trying to make a point. I don't believe in victimless crimes.

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

What do you mean you don't believe in victimless crimes?

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 What I mean is that someone doesn't have to be murdered for an action to be labled a crime.

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

Yes, I already knew that. The wording of your post made me think that you believed that victimless crimes aren't crimes.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 Oh ok, I just can't stand it when people (mostly libertine libertarians or stupid pothead hippies, as I have seen so far) blame laws instead of criminals for ills of society.

[megagagnon1]

@adamrassatt The war on drugs is lost

[adamrassatt]

@megagagnon1 Then the war on all crime is lost, if ongoing crime equates to failure.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@adamrassatt:

Please explain your position. Are you in favor of marijuana prohibition or not? Do you think smoking a plant should be made a crime or not?

[adamrassatt]

@Akatam0t0ma Yep, anything to tick off a couple hippies.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@adamrassatt:

Ah, I see. Another day, another theofascist who thinks some weed makes baby Jeebus sad in the pants.

Thank the non-existents gods that your kind is dying off in America.

[megagagnon1]

@adamrassatt We could decriminalize drugs and have a civil society. We couldn't do the same with all crimes, so saying "then the war on all crimes is lost" is just drivel.

[adamrassatt]

@megagagnon1 Crack, fun for the whole family, sounds fantastic. Do the world a favor and go overdose on something.

[furyofbongos]

@adamrassatt Marijuana prohibition places in the lap of criminals a lucrative business opportunity because non-criminal types exit the market. The law reduces supply which means the price must go up. This is what attracts the criminal types. It's the criminal types that are willing to take the risks of jail to capture the profits created by the laws.

Without the marijuana laws, there would be no marijuana "crimes" or "criminals".

[Akatam0t0ma]

@furyofbongos:

Don't bother trying to reason with a theofascist like adamrassatt. Reason is from Satan, and it makes baby Jeebus sad in the pants.

[Dreadmore]

@furyofbongos Without any laws there would be no crimes, that is called anarchy. Funny about that whole RULE OF LAW thing we have going on here in the US, it actually requires us to HAVE laws.

[megagagnon1]

@Dreadmore Whatever happened to that law outlawing booze?

[Akatam0t0ma]

@Dreadmore:

"Without any laws there would be no crimes, that is called anarchy."

While I myself am not an anarchist, I would say I sympathize with many points anarchists make(Mostly the market anarchists, that is). While I think there is a place for laws to defend people's rights, I hope you can agree with me that laws that can get you thrown in jail for owning a plant are ridiculous and do next to nothing to defend people's rights.

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

Well some laws can be blamed for the ills of society. Victimless crimes are crimes because of laws that shouldn't exist.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 Then the real question is "What laws should and shouldn't exist?" and not just "What are the results?".

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

Yes, I believe laws that hamper individual liberty should be repealed, but then again the answer to your question depends on what you think the role of government ought to be.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 How do you define individual liberty? If it is simply the "ability to do" then the greatest "liberty" exists in anarchy, in choas. I believe in limited liberty, hate anarchy, and the government's role is to maintain order and provide defense. Limited liberty does not mean tyrrany. It is the duty of the every citizen to keep tyrants out of office.

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

I define individual liberty as rights that don't infringe on anothers rights. Liberty doesn't exist in anarchy. Just look at Somalia. I believe the government has a place in our society but that it should be extremely limited. When people give government the power to be moral dictators they start to lose their rights.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 Where do you believe rights come from? What are they?

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

Rights come from the people that fought and died to acquire those rights for the rest of us and from the intellectual evolution of man. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness/property. Were you expecting me to say that our rights come from god? I'm an agnostic.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 So rights are good because people say rights are good?

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

Individual rights are good because they allow me to do things I want to do while protecting others through their own individual rights.

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 So why are things you want to do good?

[zetsway5000]

@adamrassatt

They aren't always good(good and evil are very subjective terms), but if I dont hurt anyone else in the process I should be allowed to do it. What right does the government have to tell me what i can and can't do if i don't hurt anyone in the process?

[adamrassatt]

@zetsway5000 Here is the problem. If you can't give me an objective standard, then talking about should and shouldn't becomes two or more opinions butting heads. You feeling that government should keep to itself v.s. someone thinking it should be envolved in everything becomes like one man saying red is the best color v.s. one saying blue is the best.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@adamrassatt:

"the greatest "liberty" exists in anarchy, in choas."

Anarchy=/=chaos. I'm not an anarchist, but I would certainly not use this silly strawman to make my case.

"I believe in limited liberty"

Almost everyone does. But what business does the government have to enforce YOUR personal religious morals on everyone else?

[adamrassatt]

@Akatam0t0ma As far as I am concerned anarchy, true anarchy, is chaos. Anything less is just a smaller form of government, even if it just involves a few homes or a couple of small towns. On the other point, the same amount as anyone else's standard (of right and wrong) they use in writing up laws. The only differance between a moral code and a law code(regardless of the foundation, secular or religious) is that a law code is officially enforced by the state/authority.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@adamrassatt:

Does being "officially enforced by the state/authority" automatically makes something right?

[adamrassatt]

@Akatam0t0ma Is something right just because you feel its right or vice versa?

[Akatam0t0ma]

@adamrassatt:

So long as it doesn't infringe on other people's freedoms, then yes, I believe it's right. And even if it ends up harming me but nobody else, then the government has no fucking business enforcing it, and anyone who thinks it does is either ignorant or has his inner totalitarian demon speaking out of him,

[adamrassatt]

@Akatam0t0ma Then this whole discussion is mute, if your right just because you "feel it". I can just as easily do the samething and say I feel I'm right. Which makes it just one opinion fighting another. Second point, Or they can just look futher out than their own nose and try to prepare. PS: I thought you didn't believe in demons? ; p

[ALITL8]

@adamrassatt decriminalization is the answer. exempt cannabis from the DEA's Controlled Substances Act and repeal all laws that criminalize the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, sales, possession, consumption and use of cannabis for industrial, medicinal, nutritional and recreational purposes.

[zetsway5000]

Thanks for the video reason.