[cont.] have a different mindest than other criminals. In other words, you are advocating punishing people not just for committing a deed, but for having a certain mindset. You are advocating establishing thought crimes. Society has the right to limit my deeds, but not to limit my thoughts. This is the most basic of rights, and establishing a category of "hate crimes" is a violation of that right.
1. My life is worth as much as anyone else's. Yes, you addressed this, but I do think that crimes against policemen et al. should be punished more stringently, first, because an attack agains them is also an attack on society, and second, because the protectors should be protected. I say this, by the way, as a member of a religious minorty whose members and property have been attacked for religious reasons.
2. You say it yourself: those who commit "hate crimes" [cont.]
I am not of Jewish decent, but I fear a political group with the charisma to enable the extermination of over 10 million people, with the support of most of their citizens. Then after a history of utter destruction and death across three continents, they still have loyal followers, who try to rewrite history, and continue to promote an Arian superiority.
Very scary people indeed, they promote nothing but hate, destruction, and evil. I could not name a single good attribute of these sheep.
@Blairtim69 I can't find a good quality of zaunstar. Lucky for him, I don't decide what people can think. You can not force people to think / stop thinking something with force. Research Appeal to Force. The goal you seek of a bias free utopia is impossible because your expectations defy reality. And therefore, they're genocidal. It's amazing how hypocritical extreme liberals are. You strive for the 100% opposite of fascism with Tyranny. Prison is your concentration camp for bias thought. Nice.
@Blairtim69 Your fears are paranoid and delusional. There will ALWAYS be people who believe radical things. The reason the Holocaust happened is that eugenics was very popular around that time. Even in the US we sterilized people. Look up the history. The same thing is NOT going to happen because some people have hate or still think that way. You need to cope with your anxiety/paranoid disorder and not try to enforce it. That's what believers do. Force anxiety.
Same thing will never happen, except for in Cambodia, Bosnia, Somalia, South Africa, China, and currently Uganda is working on a genocide bill, several other countries that have perpetrated genocide since the Nazis. Currently the Nazi movement is training for a future race war they know is coming which isn’t.
I’m not the one paranoid; you are the one imagining an assault on the first amendment, where one does not exist.
@Blairtim69 Those are all third world countries. The ADL is going after America to stop any criticism of Israel. They're not going to Africa. They just seek to hide their own genocide. On the contrary, speech is being examined by this bill. It gives a lot of power to investigate it. There is a war going on against free speech for EVERYONE, not just "Nazis." And the ADL is winning. Stop lying and slothful inducting. You're a crazy fucking radical. Amongst other things.
@Blairtim69 The ADL is a Jew supremacy group. If you're so against that kind of shit. Meanwhile, the KKK or Nazi party that you're so afraid of is not endorsed or recognized by anyone. You're fucking nuts. You must be a Jew. Only Jews are this pathologically obsessed with Nazis. This is that whole anxiety = hate thing I talked about. You're just too blind to see your hypocrisy.
I was born and raised Baptist in N. Florida. I am married to a wonderful man, raising three kids.
Life is short. We all get about 80 years if we’re lucky. I plan to live what I have left as peacefully as possible; a few trips, some gardening, working, and watching my kids grow. We volunteer for good Karma, vote and protest when deemed.
I hope you can find some peace, before you realize there are only a few years left to relax and meditate with whatever put you here.
I am not obsessed with Nazis; I never give them any thought. You brought them up. The last Nazi I heard from was singing spring time for Hitler.
The ADL is a Jewish organization. I have no fear from a group monitoring and posting repudiation of hate groups.
I did not realize white supremacy groups chose not to be associated with anyone, and remain absolutely independent. I thought no organization would ever support such groups because base philosophy is quite evil.
This video is blatant propaganda. John McCain said he hates gooks. People can develop hate because they're tortured or attacked. Yet now you've basically compared John McCain to John Wayne Gacy, a sexual sadist psychopath. And this is what you call logic? Really?! Haters might have anxiety. Psychopaths do not. They're impulsive, lack empathy, narcissistic, etc. Where is your evidence to support that haters are psychopaths?
@ambidextrality You are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I never said. If someone becomes racist because of what someone in that group did, then they are simply too weak of mind to overcome what they should know is a faulty reason for hatred. Again, McCain never attacked anyone physically either, aside from in war.
@Zaunstar U Think Torture victims are weak minded/faulty? I hope u'r not a psychiatrist. U are an unsympathetic self centered douche. You will never force people to be unracist. So long as they're not employers, what's the problem? You're so far left, you'd make a weak, faulty minded video so biased that it only looks at whites and seek to mandate that and throw skin heads all away because you're a Jew. Again with the assault. We're not talking about statutory rape. Assault can be justifiable.
@ambidextrality I find it funny that you assume I'm a Jew. Again, my latest video even makes fun of this. Also of the fact that some people think I'm a secret Jew and some think I'm a secret Muslim.
@ambidextrality You've asked me about 50 questions. No, torture victims are not necessarily faulty. Some will end up hating the ethnicity of their tormentors, but funny how they never hate their own race. I don't pretend to be able to force people to not hate. I do consider it a significant character defect though.
@Zaunstar Case in point, someone calls the police about the constant dribbling of basketball out back and he's called a racist because he's white and they're black. But his annoyance is over the public nuisance and not their color. But this will fool everyone in our witch hunting society and he'll be ostracized. And thanks to radicals like you, this is now law.
@Zaunstar People of differing races will misinterpret statements/actions of the other as malignant when benign. This is what you're speaking of, but you're wrong. People can hate themselves. Studies show blacks have bias against themselves, and then there's Chris Rock. Interpreting actions as malignant based on differing skin color is too subjective. Therefore you should interpret the actions objectively, instead of the race.
@ambidextrality Correction, people are biased. So long as they're not infringing on others' rights, no problem. You guys need to grow up and accept that all people are biased. The fact that the video ignores all violence except for that of whites is very telling.
@Zaunstar You're failing to realize that someone can hate someone and also be forced to defend themselves. John McCain is now barred from defending himself against Asians, as he would then be branded a hate criminal. You're also failing to realize how someone could easily be branded a hate criminal when they're not. It's far too easy in our wussy society. Of which you're obviously a member of.
@ambidextrality OK, now we're getting somewhere. Perhaps you can tell me what you believe SHOULD be socially acceptable, in a "non-wussy" society, that is not today. Maybe we'll make some progress in our discussion.
@Zaunstar But McCain's attacks could easily have been hate crimes, under this bill. As would justifiable assaults. You talk about weakness. You're the one being racist over what a small minority did or perhaps over the Holocaust, while paradoxically ignoring violent black crimes. Your video shows that you're the weak one.
Your arguments are fallacious. The point is that the hate crime laws are unconstitutional and thought policing. You can't control speech and thought. Freedom of speech was upheld unanimously by the supreme court in Brandenburg vs Ohio KKK, and Fred Phelps. By the way I'm gay and an atheist. I still say it's unconstitutional, violation of free speech and a witch hunt type of law. The law should create a special class of crime, not special class of minority.
@ambidextrality You realize that in order for it to be a hate crime, simple speech is NEVER sufficient. There has to be a physical assault involved of some type.
@Zaunstar Assault is sometimes justified. Now it is not justified if someone has bias, which everyone has. But conveniently other minorities get to disguise it in the form of anti-racism and anti-hate. Then they can riot because of OJ Simpson or whatever. So whites are singled out, just as they are in your video. I can play too: You're obviously some fat gay fag jew or something. You're so fucking stupid and your arguments are retarded.
@Zaunstar Assault is not always wrong. You are forbidding it on the bases of "hate" speech. I've argued that that is wrong and you just keep saying don't assault anyone: Problem solved. Assault is justified under some circumstances and I should be able to assault someone when needed. It's almost like saying banning abortion and saying you have to be pregnant and you're a man, therefore it is not unconstitutional. So how about Don't get unwanted pregnancies. That is sophistry.
@Zaunstar The point is I shouldn't have to NOT assault someone when it is necessary because of some gay theory about the greater good at avoiding civil unrest. Especially when the civil unrest could easily be over the conviction of OJ Simpons for murder. A lot of black people are extremely racist and your video refuses to acknowledge that.
@Zaunstar So mob rule gets to decide what the greater good is instead of being fair and universal and saying let's just treat the action specifically. Determine what is worse about these cases compared with other cases and never look at race or thought, as you don't have to. You believe that your position is right so other thoughts are bad. That's special pleading and genetic fallacy.
'In reality, this legislation is a “hate Christians” act because it will target Christians for prosecution not only for violent acts against LGBT individuals, but for speech that might have “incited” or “induced” another person to act in a violent manner toward LGBT persons.' -- Andrea Lafferty, Director, Traditional Values Coalition
So they opposed the bill because they are anti-gay, plain and simple.
@BryceOfByrden I made this video 10 months ago, and that was the last one that had that hum. It was just a bad mic that I long since stopped using for videos. Try out some of my newer videos to compare.
Here is a question, Do hate crime laws apply to all perpetrators or just those of the racial religious majority? Can a member of a racial & religious minority be charged for killing another person of different minority status for what would fit by the motive of the perpetrator as a hate crime? Can a "racially driven hate crime" by a person from an minority against a member of the majority also be considered a hate crime?
@Obasiliasfilosofos It doesn't matter to me if it's a majority or a minority. People running around assaulting or killing others on the basis of something that has nothing to do with any personal interaction with them are EXTREMELY dangerous people, as I believe I showed in this video.
@Zaunstar Again, tool, your definition includes every criminal on the planet. Why are we supposed to treat gay people special because of the opinions of the assailant and not black or Hispanic or gang assailants or gay or anyone who commits equally heinous crimes? So you basically don't care, as long as YOU get special treatment and fuck everyone elses' opinion or rights.
@ambidextrality Huh? I don't get any "special" rights that I'm aware of under your definition. I'm a straight white male. I think you're getting a little bit too wound up about this. Do you want to discuss this like an adult, or just post 20 comments on my video? Maybe you should come to my blogtv and we can discuss it more easily.
@Zaunstar Then disclose the material facts. What ARE you getting out of this bill? Are you a Jew? That'd explain your video almost exclusively about Nazis. Your attitude that you're right and we should use force against people you disagree with is wrong. Appeal to force. Your logic isn't sound, it is fallacious, so who the fuck put you in charge? I certainly didn't. You hate radicals so much but you are one. This bill opens the door to the PC police.
Freedom of speech is fine but I think we need more laws against hatred and ignorance towards other groups. Words can be fuel to the fire of violence I am fine with people saying whats on their mind but I think they should be educated to why they are wrong and watched so their hatred towards others doesn't grow into a monster. I do not want to violate freedom honestly but I cant stand people being so foolish with their views hatred is slowing our progression down far to much.
@WorldBFree2006 We already have laws against killing. Duh. The point is you want to destroy free speech and don't understand why we have it. it's to prevent tyranny and a dictatorship.
@WorldBFree2006 No no no, just like assault, killing is justified under certain circumstances, like if they're committing specific types of felony. Now people who've said bad things to people on the internet or elsewhere are going to face hate crime charges if they defend themselves. Especially if they're another race. This is another example of white's cant say nigger because of their skin color but blacks can say anything. Skin color has nothing to do the capacity to harm.
@ambidextrality I am not justifying any violent crime, but to say there is no difference between a basic assault and one that is pre-meditated on the basis of gender, race, religion, handicap, or sexual preference is wrong. For example, I was attacked by 13 people 5 years ago, because I owed someone drug money, facts being facts I brought that on myself. Victims of hate crimes are guilty of nothing but being different, and the people who carry out those attacks should be punished more severely
@WorldBFree2006 The law does not justify assault for debt any more than for gays. The level of the assault should be the measure of the punishment, NOT weather or not you're gay or black. That's discriminatory. What you don't understand is that freedom of speech protects the KKK and Fred Phelps. most people don't get that and seek to outlaw every damned thing that offends them, including hate, which is subjective. Therefore, freeing speech but punishing actions is the fair solution.
@ambidextrality I am a member of the ACLU I know all to well that unpopular speech is protected by the First Amendment. Emphasis on SPEECH. Killing someone or brutally beating them does not qualify. The bottom line is there are four degrees of murder: premeditated (1st degree) 2nd degree is where premeditation cannot be proven, manslaughter (voluntary and involuntary). Murder 1 is obviously punished the harshest and so on down the line. Are you opposed to that?
@WorldBFree2006 Yes. I had a brief into to criminal law. The killers of Matthew Shepard / James Byrd, Jr. got 2 life sentences / were executed. Regular law did not fail? It's not clear to me that laws reduce hate, and the law gives unequal protection / unreasonable treatment and investigation, where it should not. You're giving to extreme views. Actions are not speech, therefore treat actions, don't hunt for perceived 'offensive' speech. The speech is open for investigation.
@ambidextrality Finally, you are right about one thing... Laws do not reduce hate. We have the right to hate. I choose not to practice hatred, but if someone else does they are entitled. Stiffer penalties however, on those who carry out violent crimes in the name of hate certainly reduce those. There is nothing in the hate crimes law that prohibits speech, it can however be used against you in a court of law if you stand trial for a violent crime.
@WorldBFree2006 I seriously doubt stiffer penalties are going to deter hate criminals. Hate speech is supposed to be protected speech. The court shouldn't be investigating speech. People have a right to defend themselves but now they don't, because one has only too look up what socially unacceptable speech one has placed on the internet or what opinions others have about you as a person. That's a witch hunt and unconstitutional.
@ambidextrality A witch hunt? Are you seriously victimizing people who harm and kill others based on hate. For the last time...HATE SPEECH IS NOT CONSIDERED A HATE CRIME UNDER THIS BILL, ONLY A VIOLENT CRIME IS. Now, if you're dumb enough to make hateful comments in a public venue and then commit a violent crime you deserve whatever comes to you (even if the crime was unrelated) I have no sympathy for a hate mongering murderer I save my compassion for their victims and their families.
@WorldBFree2006 Speech and speech that may have lead to a physical act is part of the bill. Stop lying. I'm all for people getting in trouble, equally, for crimes, including against gays. I'm not for special status and thought policing. It goes beyond the scope of the physical actions when it should NOT. The law is supposed to be blind. All you need to know is if it was intentional or not, without defense or justification, and unreasonable. You're too selfish and stupid to get that.
@WorldBFree2006 And by the way, all of that is trumped if you said a bad word to the person you were fighting with, which is extremely common during fights. That's fucking wrong and you're a fucking retard to selfishly support something so unamerican.
@WorldBFree2006 The law is not ONLY for murder. It includes any physical act. Simply brushing against someone and yelling at them is an assault an battery, you idiot. Why SHOULD someone get a tremendous penalty just because they said a bad word? What the fuck is wrong with you? I can't wait to see this law explode on your dumb ass. You will deserve it.
@ambidextrality You don't know what you're talking about... You my friend are gravely misinformed. Not that that would ever be a problem for me because I've never in my 30 years of life have found it necessary to use a racial, ethnic, homophobic, or sexist comment no matter how much I dislike someone. I will defend anyone's right to say such things, however you need not worry your pretty head about hate speech it's still very legal under this bill...
@ambidextrality How do you know you've studied more law than I have. I could have a PHD in Criminal Justice for all you know. It's also extremely funny how you'll call me a simpleton when you can't even read a bill of law before commenting on it. Why don't you spend less time name-calling and more time studying, because however much you've studied law is clearly not enough...
@ambidextrality As for your whining comment about unequal protection, people treated unequally require unequal protection. You still haven't responded to my point about the four degrees of murder. By your reasoning there should only be one degree of murder and there are four...
@WorldBFree2006 Murder laws treat the actions, NOT the race, creed, origin, sexual orientation, etc. Therefore, they are equal already. The solution for inequality is not MORE inequality. The solution is equality. Making laws that treat people differently based on their skin color or sexuality is inequality. If you're so against inequality why are you supporting it now, hypocrite? Because you get to marginalize someone else for a change.
HATE laws were made by the hippie types that are now educated in to full fledged democrats that job is to preach anti christina values and to stop any opposition.. they encouter or whistle blowers
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Why can't a gangbanger who kills another gangbanger because the other gangbanger is a member of a different gang be charged with a haye crime?Whats next will people who beat up other people over gambling dets get charged with a hate crime?
Also, with your fight example you didn't intentionally victimize either party. It was just an unruly dispute whereas a hate crime is a premeditated attack on someone because of their race, sexual orientation, etc.
The hate crime law does not protect white male persons. In other words the hate crime law is a racist law that gives some people more rights then others based on race.
The concern is that it is an attack on freedom of speech and expression.
Also, it's retarded to classify one crime as being more heinous than another based on the persons attitude. When dealing with murder, for example, the only motivational factor that should be considered is whether or not the act was deliberate. The hate crimes bill is just an attack on freedom of speech AND freedom of thought.
I do support Amazigh nationalism and Iranian nationalism but I also support Zionism. While I do think that people ought to be able to speak their mind and share their beliefs regardless of what they believe, I probably have as little in common with you philosophically as I do with Zaunstar.
Murder, assault, theft, rape, etc. are all ALREADY illegal. Making them more illegal because of the perpetrators alleged emotional state is at best gratuitous. If the legislatures are really frightened about murder and rape they should make the penalties more severe, instead of trying to punish people for their thoughts and feelings. It's unnecessary AND dangerous, as this kind of thing can only lead to discrimination and censorship.
@jmsnooks . Do you agree that this "...attack on freedom of speech AND freedom of thought." Has been around probably before Obama was born. i.e. Special protections for religion. If a man kills another because that other man was a Christian then its considered a hate crime. Why should the Christian or any other religion get special protections? Perhaps you support the repeal of laws that give special protections to those who choose to be ..say Christian.
Hopefully you won't take offense if I say I am disinclined to believe that such a law exists simply because you say it does. I think I would have heard of that before now. There may be a state law like that but certainly not a Federal law.
OK I read it, but that isn't exactly what the bill says:
(1) if death results from acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, a fine in accordance with this title and imprisonment for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death;
@jmsnooks. "The portion of Section 245 of Title 18 which is primarily enforced by the Criminal Section makes it unlawful to willfully injure, intimidate or interfere with any person, or to attempt to do so, by force or threat of force, because of that other person's race, color, religion or national origin..." Religion is the only catagory one can choose. why does religion get special rights.
@jmsnooks: Hear Hear. "Hate crime punishment" is complete HORSE SHIT. Who gives a god damn WHY someone did a crime, the only important thing is, is that they DID it, and should be punished accordingly, PERIOD. Murder is fucking murder, doesn't matter the motivation behind it. Here's a novel idea, why not just raise the punishment for ALL fucking heinous crimes across the board, instead of placing more value on someone's life based on their race, sexual orientation, etcetera? Problem solved.
I do agree that hate crimes should be taken very seriously but i dont believe that gays should be considered a minority. I dont think that under any circumstance that any one should be prosicuded for their believes, but homosexuality is a choice not a race. They shouldn't be given special rights and regulations for a choice they made especially marriage. Marriage is a holy thing that is meant for a man and woman.
Marriage is holy only to the pious. I see it as just another tradition. Also, gays no more "chose" to be attracted to men than you or I "chose" to be attracted to women, or women with a certain type of look.
Another interesting point. You made a comment about the hypocrisy of having stiffer laws against pedophiles vs "hate crimes". We both know that you are fond of TJ (TAA). Recently it was brought to my attention that he has stated publicly in a video that he felt that Roman Polanski should get leniency for the crime he committed 30+ years ago, which was the drugging and raping of a child. TJ's rationale? Polanski is talented thus it doesn't matter that he is a pedophile...that's just plain sick.
I saw that video. I don't agree that it makes it OK. I have worked with sexually abused kids. Their minds are rarely the same, even after years of intensive therapy.
A few points of fact. The real motivation in the beating of Matthew Shepard was robbery, not that he was gay. James Byrd was a convicted felon, who was killed by three other drunken convicts. What they did was evil, no one should treat another human being like the way those murderers did but the media and it's obedient lemmings always leave out things like these key facts as it allows them to better spin such crimes into more salient screeching points for them. It's like yelling FIRE!
Yeah, that was exactly what I thought! Video of beatings, yet over and over people complain about "thought crimes" being prosecuted. No evidence of such, but asserted over and over and OVER again!
Hate Crime Law is originally just to protect jewish thought . Look at the rest of Western civilization, The U.K., Australia,Canada, have hate speech laws against anyone(whites) who speak ill of other races ,cultures,and religion. Taske your heads out of your asses.
Let me guess. You're a holocaust denier and you think Jews control the world? I know I'm taking a wild leap there, based on your comments. It's easy to base some amorphous group for the ills of the world. Worked great for a couple dictators.
Let me guess. You don't think. Who controls the media? Who owns it? Who owns the major corporations? Who controls the international banks? Who is in key positions of government influence? Holocaust denier? I can say pearl harbor didn't happen and nothing happens, but if you say the holocaust didn't happen in Germany ,Canada, Australia or any western nation, then you can be put in jail for holocaust denial. WHY?If it's true , then why does it need protection in the law?
Sigh. I just took a tour of Auschwitz while I was in Poland two months ago. I saw Dachau while in Germany in 2005. You're not unique at all. You sound like every other white supremacist I've "met" on youtube. You guys need some less obvious dogma.
So what would YOU do to Jews if you could do anything to them? Meaning, you were king of the world, no consequences, nobody to answer to, etc..
Pumpkin made a good point. Again you position yourself like someone "in the know" because you visited Auschwitz. I have also visited Stone Mountain Georgia, several times but I by no means could be considered an "expert" or anyone who is "in the know" when it comes to how the mountain was formed or even the wildlife that populates the area. I find it ironic that you use the term "dogma" when describing the position that Pumpkin is taking, a similar position to my own.
""Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves" Former Israeli Prime Minister Mehachim Begin
@2SecSee4u: After hearing a quote like that, maybe Hitler knew what the fuck he was talking about. In other words, get them before they get us kind of thing.
I dont know about you, but Id rather kill a jew before I licked his feet as a slave. You may be getting your tongue warmed up, but Im making different preparations.
Don't come crying to any 'racist' when you taste the dust from a jews feet that you have to lick as their slave. The best you'll probably get is put out of your misery.
@Zaunstar Like all your arguments, this is an ad hominem, amongst other things, genetic fallacy. Your arguments are usually: I believe you're a type of person that thinks other thoughts therefore you're arguments here should be dismissed.
The architects of hate crime law are Jewish groups such as the ADL(Anti defamation league),AJC( American Jewish congress ),Etc. Don't forget the AIPAC(American Israeli Public Action Committee). In the end it's all about jewish control. Who aren't you allowed to criticize ?
I'm not sure how many times I have to point out that without a violent crime being committed, hate crimes law does not and cannot apply, but let me point it out again.
Let me open your eyes ,PLEASE!!!, with a crow bar. Hate crime laws are a double standard one sided "law". All White heterosexual christian males are automatically charged with hate crime or hate speech when they come into violent contact with non white minorities. If non whites come into contact with Whites then it isn't hate crime or hate speech. Look at the statistics in European white countries.
The problem with "Hate crime" laws is that it only applies to a certain group. This in itself is racist or prejudice but the politically correct nutjobs fail to recognize their own hypocrisy. ANY crime is a "hate" crime. If a person is murdered or beaton, his perpatrators shouldnt get any less of a criminal charge because the victim is straight, white, christian, or all 3. The narrator of this video wants special rights for certain groups. His bigotry is as bad as the other side.
It's interesting that opponents see it as making current laws being "less". It strikes me a bit like the opponents of gay marriage when they say that gay marriages "cheapen" their own marriage.
You also said "rights". What is the special "right" that you think these groups get? This is not about rights. The victim gets nothing out of this. The perpetrator is the one that gets extra time.
I am the narrator. Which group(s) do you think I'm prejudiced against?
Well to answer you question of what "special rights' to victims of hate crimes get that others dont.....let me give you an example. A group of blacks assault a white guy.......IF or when they get chared, its usually assault of some degree. But if its a group of whites assaulting a black guy, its assault ALONG with ethnic intimidation charges that can automatically carry jail time. Why have different rules for different people? A victim is a VICTIM regardless of sexual preference or race.
Furthermore......if a straight guy gets jumped by a bunch of idiots and gets his face re-arranged, why shouldnt the perpatrators get the SAME charges as a gay victim of these assaulters? This type of one way thinking only continues to carry the torch of bigotry. Isnt every crime a "hate crime"? Apparently not to you.
wait till the white race is extinct these people think its bad now oh fuck the mexicans n blacks are gonna be in trouble killin eachother cause there starvin n once again the whites get the last laugh
I am a liberal minority (atheist), but I still think that hate crimes laws are a horrible idea. I am also against additional penalties for police, etc. as such laws are effectively saying that a meter-maid is worth more than, oh say...Stephen Hawking. Besides, how many criminals would ponder, "I'm willing to do 25 years for murder, but not 30 years for killing a cop"? None. Criminals believe they are going to get away with their crimes, or they just wouldn't do them at all.
To me, there's no difference between killing based on race, sexuality, etc. But if there are going to be hate crime laws, they should apply to white people too. Plenty of people hate whites and I'm sure there are crimes committed against whites because they are white. The whole point of anti-racist legislation is to show everyone is basically equal, and singling out some people and excluding others in a law shows the opposite.
Sure, I agree with that. There of course is the same burden of proof with this as with any other crime. Also, remember that only a fraction of all crimes are hate crimes. If someone is choosing "victims" based on these things, then more jail time seems appropriate as an aggravating circumstance.
True, but I do think it would be harder to convince a jury that say, a Black Panther (if they even still exist =/) beats up a white guy for being white compared to a skinhead because there seems to be a bias. I'm given the impression that people believe minority racists are sort of justified (though they may not agree) while white supremicists are just assholes (I believe they all are, by the way. My point is that people look at different people's hate differently when it's really the same).
@infectingthecrypts The most hideous and despicable crimes were committed based on hatred. When was a white person hanged from a tree? or dragged from the back of a truck? or sodomized before being killed? Like it or not hate crimes are especially heinous and should be treated as such...
@WorldBFree2006 I see what you're saying and I agree. I dunno, it's a complicated issue and seeing as I wont commit any hate crimes, it doesn't affect me and I wont cry a tear for the hateful assholes who end up getting life without parole instead of 25 years with a chance of parole due to these laws so, it's really just a debate for me. (Damn, that's a horrible run-on sentence, haha)
@WorldBFree2006 Fuck you. White people are attacked all the time. You're a racist. White people are just as capable of being attacked. Black people attack white people constantly, and brutally. White people are beheaded in Iraq and dragged all over the place. You have such a flimsy argument that it only takes ONE example to defeat it and prove you wrong. And this is coming from a gay atheist.
@ambidextrality No one is attacked all the time. I'm white I grew up in a neighborhood with only 4 other white families and the only time I was attacked was over drugs. If you want to bring Iraq into this how about Abu Girhab? You're a gay atheist, is that supposed to strengthen your claim? It doesn't, you've defeated nothing. Your argument is nothing but conjecture you have one very weak example which is trumped by a much larger one. Nice try...
All hate crime laws in the USA , Europe and other western nations were created by the Jewish ADL(Anti defamation league of B'ni B'rith).
These laws eventually morph into thought crime laws. In many places of Europe , Australia and Canada just denial of the Jewish holocaust can get you fined or locked away in prison. Speaking negative about another persons race, religion or culture can get you prosecuted. Alot of hate crime ,thought crime laws go one way. most non-whites get a free pass.
Pumpkin, first off, why pretend that your objections are something reasoned when a cursory glance at your profile makes it obvious that you've been race trolling for some time now? I don't really care if you're racist. At least then I know what ideology you're coming from.
Second, I believe that the only place it is illegal to deny the holocaust is Germany. There may be others, but I am quite certain that it is not what you claim. Please provide evidence. Thanks.
Yes, there is a blatant double standard. Its a shame that people don't realize it. Eric Holder stated that Christian white men are excluded from being victims of hate crimes. What about the incident in Akron, OH where a large gang of black teens beat up a white man while chanting racial slurs against whites? Amazing....
Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things desrve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Therefore God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,and the males likewise gave up natural relations with feamles and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and hus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.And since they did not see fit to ackowledge God,God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what was improper.
I don't agree that anyone''s life should be held in higher regard than another's...
This includes Police, First responders etc.
I don't think killing a cop is any different than killing a civilian... ...both have lost their lives. However I can see more reasoning to this, because these people serve (most of them anyway) the public, and risk their lives doing so. Preference on who you F*&k is self serving, and makes you no better than anyone else.
I think the reason that cop killers get more time is to try to deter the killing of them. If the criminals know that they will only get 5 to 10 years instead of 20 to life (hypothetical numbers) they are more likely to pull the trigger. The cops put themselves at risk for our safety and they deserve some kind of protection, respect, recognition. *not like they get the pay*
I've had 20 different versions of that same comment. The law doesn't work that way and it is not written that way. Please read the law. The link is in the sidebar.
@Blairtim69 There are situations where someone would say die faggot and it not be a hate crime. If you say Jew now you have a hate crime. Children always fight with each other and say mean things when they're doing it. They're already trying to hurt you. just because someone says jew or fag doesn't mean they hate ALL jews and fags, they're just trying to hurt an individual. This is thought policing and you're a supreme idiot to fail to see that. You're an enemy to free speech.
I challenge you to find one single case where a person was prosecuted for speech alone. There has never been one. It is not the purpose of the law. A few cases were tried where a person made several speeches calling for blood, and of which followers went and committed horrid violent acts. Even these cases failed in court.
@Blairtim69 Hate crime for saying "white boy" and NOT for the nature of the crime below. Likely that they targeted people who appear wealthy, and not white, and easily they could be racist, but this interpretation is not necessary. One only has to deal with the ACTIONS, and not the speech and thoughts, as white boy is not necessarily hate simply because it's from a black person. That's a racist equivocation watch?v=1q8MlI0LnIw
I challenge you to find one single case where a person was prosecuted for speech alone. There has never been one. It is not the purpose of the law. A few cases were tried where a person made several speeches calling for blood, and of which followers went and committed horrid violent acts. Even these cases failed in court.
I'm very left wing on most issues, but I still don't understand why the motive for a crime should have any baring on the punishment. A murder is a murder, if you kill me because I'm white or you kill me because I wear glasses, it's all the same to me.
Hate crime is another degree to be taken into consideration during trial and sentencing. There are different degrees for most crimes. battery-aggravated battery
manslaughter 1-3
burglary 1-4
Hate crimes have existed since the 60's for religion, gender, and race, and now sexual identity.
In the past 40 years hate crime laws have been an effective deterrent.
All I have to say is that we as an American people can have no race. We are of no color as we forced other races on ourselves. I think it is a gross abomination for us as anglo saxon peoples to have done this, but as a rising nation it may or may not have been necessary. I do not believe in gay marriage or inter-racial anything. I believe each race should be seperate if possible, and it is. This law is one of ignorance and stupidity.
Assuming for a moment that you believe the races to be equal, which I doubt, but you didn't specify so I will assume for this moment... What would then be wrong with there being interracial marriage?
Also, I see you are 24 years old from your profile. I think I'm going to start asking some of the commenters their age, level of education, what state they live in, and whether they are in an urban/suburban/rural area. It could be interesting data.
There is one argument that I would like to present that you have not. Because the Hate Crime Law crooked prosecutors can use this law to press on longer sentences to some that do not deserve it. For example, a white guy and a black guy get into a fight in a bar over a girl. The white guy is not racist, neither is the black guy, But if the white guy goes to court on assault charges a crooked prosecutor might use the Hate Crime Law to put on a longer sentence
Of course this could happen. However, how is this any different from any other law that "could be abused by a crooked prosecutor"? The standard of evidence is still the same. A crooked prosecutor can find any number of laws to abuse, don't you think?
[cont.] have a different mindest than other criminals. In other words, you are advocating punishing people not just for committing a deed, but for having a certain mindset. You are advocating establishing thought crimes. Society has the right to limit my deeds, but not to limit my thoughts. This is the most basic of rights, and establishing a category of "hate crimes" is a violation of that right.
Naiant 9 months ago
My two objections:
1. My life is worth as much as anyone else's. Yes, you addressed this, but I do think that crimes against policemen et al. should be punished more stringently, first, because an attack agains them is also an attack on society, and second, because the protectors should be protected. I say this, by the way, as a member of a religious minorty whose members and property have been attacked for religious reasons.
2. You say it yourself: those who commit "hate crimes" [cont.]
Naiant 9 months ago
I am not of Jewish decent, but I fear a political group with the charisma to enable the extermination of over 10 million people, with the support of most of their citizens. Then after a history of utter destruction and death across three continents, they still have loyal followers, who try to rewrite history, and continue to promote an Arian superiority.
Very scary people indeed, they promote nothing but hate, destruction, and evil. I could not name a single good attribute of these sheep.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 I can't find a good quality of zaunstar. Lucky for him, I don't decide what people can think. You can not force people to think / stop thinking something with force. Research Appeal to Force. The goal you seek of a bias free utopia is impossible because your expectations defy reality. And therefore, they're genocidal. It's amazing how hypocritical extreme liberals are. You strive for the 100% opposite of fascism with Tyranny. Prison is your concentration camp for bias thought. Nice.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 Your fears are paranoid and delusional. There will ALWAYS be people who believe radical things. The reason the Holocaust happened is that eugenics was very popular around that time. Even in the US we sterilized people. Look up the history. The same thing is NOT going to happen because some people have hate or still think that way. You need to cope with your anxiety/paranoid disorder and not try to enforce it. That's what believers do. Force anxiety.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality
Same thing will never happen, except for in Cambodia, Bosnia, Somalia, South Africa, China, and currently Uganda is working on a genocide bill, several other countries that have perpetrated genocide since the Nazis. Currently the Nazi movement is training for a future race war they know is coming which isn’t.
I’m not the one paranoid; you are the one imagining an assault on the first amendment, where one does not exist.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 Those are all third world countries. The ADL is going after America to stop any criticism of Israel. They're not going to Africa. They just seek to hide their own genocide. On the contrary, speech is being examined by this bill. It gives a lot of power to investigate it. There is a war going on against free speech for EVERYONE, not just "Nazis." And the ADL is winning. Stop lying and slothful inducting. You're a crazy fucking radical. Amongst other things.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 The ADL is a Jew supremacy group. If you're so against that kind of shit. Meanwhile, the KKK or Nazi party that you're so afraid of is not endorsed or recognized by anyone. You're fucking nuts. You must be a Jew. Only Jews are this pathologically obsessed with Nazis. This is that whole anxiety = hate thing I talked about. You're just too blind to see your hypocrisy.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality
I was born and raised Baptist in N. Florida. I am married to a wonderful man, raising three kids.
Life is short. We all get about 80 years if we’re lucky. I plan to live what I have left as peacefully as possible; a few trips, some gardening, working, and watching my kids grow. We volunteer for good Karma, vote and protest when deemed.
I hope you can find some peace, before you realize there are only a few years left to relax and meditate with whatever put you here.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
@ambidextrality
I am not obsessed with Nazis; I never give them any thought. You brought them up. The last Nazi I heard from was singing spring time for Hitler.
The ADL is a Jewish organization. I have no fear from a group monitoring and posting repudiation of hate groups.
I did not realize white supremacy groups chose not to be associated with anyone, and remain absolutely independent. I thought no organization would ever support such groups because base philosophy is quite evil.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
This video is blatant propaganda. John McCain said he hates gooks. People can develop hate because they're tortured or attacked. Yet now you've basically compared John McCain to John Wayne Gacy, a sexual sadist psychopath. And this is what you call logic? Really?! Haters might have anxiety. Psychopaths do not. They're impulsive, lack empathy, narcissistic, etc. Where is your evidence to support that haters are psychopaths?
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality You are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I never said. If someone becomes racist because of what someone in that group did, then they are simply too weak of mind to overcome what they should know is a faulty reason for hatred. Again, McCain never attacked anyone physically either, aside from in war.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar U Think Torture victims are weak minded/faulty? I hope u'r not a psychiatrist. U are an unsympathetic self centered douche. You will never force people to be unracist. So long as they're not employers, what's the problem? You're so far left, you'd make a weak, faulty minded video so biased that it only looks at whites and seek to mandate that and throw skin heads all away because you're a Jew. Again with the assault. We're not talking about statutory rape. Assault can be justifiable.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality I find it funny that you assume I'm a Jew. Again, my latest video even makes fun of this. Also of the fact that some people think I'm a secret Jew and some think I'm a secret Muslim.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar It's funny how you dodge the question repeatedly. You do this with other tough questions too.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality You've asked me about 50 questions. No, torture victims are not necessarily faulty. Some will end up hating the ethnicity of their tormentors, but funny how they never hate their own race. I don't pretend to be able to force people to not hate. I do consider it a significant character defect though.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar Case in point, someone calls the police about the constant dribbling of basketball out back and he's called a racist because he's white and they're black. But his annoyance is over the public nuisance and not their color. But this will fool everyone in our witch hunting society and he'll be ostracized. And thanks to radicals like you, this is now law.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Zaunstar People of differing races will misinterpret statements/actions of the other as malignant when benign. This is what you're speaking of, but you're wrong. People can hate themselves. Studies show blacks have bias against themselves, and then there's Chris Rock. Interpreting actions as malignant based on differing skin color is too subjective. Therefore you should interpret the actions objectively, instead of the race.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Zaunstar Black guy charged with hate crimes for spray painting racial slurs on black churches watch?v=ibnLQW_TzEY
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality Correction, people are biased. So long as they're not infringing on others' rights, no problem. You guys need to grow up and accept that all people are biased. The fact that the video ignores all violence except for that of whites is very telling.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Zaunstar You're failing to realize that someone can hate someone and also be forced to defend themselves. John McCain is now barred from defending himself against Asians, as he would then be branded a hate criminal. You're also failing to realize how someone could easily be branded a hate criminal when they're not. It's far too easy in our wussy society. Of which you're obviously a member of.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality OK, now we're getting somewhere. Perhaps you can tell me what you believe SHOULD be socially acceptable, in a "non-wussy" society, that is not today. Maybe we'll make some progress in our discussion.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar But McCain's attacks could easily have been hate crimes, under this bill. As would justifiable assaults. You talk about weakness. You're the one being racist over what a small minority did or perhaps over the Holocaust, while paradoxically ignoring violent black crimes. Your video shows that you're the weak one.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
Your arguments are fallacious. The point is that the hate crime laws are unconstitutional and thought policing. You can't control speech and thought. Freedom of speech was upheld unanimously by the supreme court in Brandenburg vs Ohio KKK, and Fred Phelps. By the way I'm gay and an atheist. I still say it's unconstitutional, violation of free speech and a witch hunt type of law. The law should create a special class of crime, not special class of minority.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@ambidextrality You realize that in order for it to be a hate crime, simple speech is NEVER sufficient. There has to be a physical assault involved of some type.
Zaunstar 11 months ago
@Zaunstar Assault is sometimes justified. Now it is not justified if someone has bias, which everyone has. But conveniently other minorities get to disguise it in the form of anti-racism and anti-hate. Then they can riot because of OJ Simpson or whatever. So whites are singled out, just as they are in your video. I can play too: You're obviously some fat gay fag jew or something. You're so fucking stupid and your arguments are retarded.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@Zaunstar Assault is not always wrong. You are forbidding it on the bases of "hate" speech. I've argued that that is wrong and you just keep saying don't assault anyone: Problem solved. Assault is justified under some circumstances and I should be able to assault someone when needed. It's almost like saying banning abortion and saying you have to be pregnant and you're a man, therefore it is not unconstitutional. So how about Don't get unwanted pregnancies. That is sophistry.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@Zaunstar The point is I shouldn't have to NOT assault someone when it is necessary because of some gay theory about the greater good at avoiding civil unrest. Especially when the civil unrest could easily be over the conviction of OJ Simpons for murder. A lot of black people are extremely racist and your video refuses to acknowledge that.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@Zaunstar So mob rule gets to decide what the greater good is instead of being fair and universal and saying let's just treat the action specifically. Determine what is worse about these cases compared with other cases and never look at race or thought, as you don't have to. You believe that your position is right so other thoughts are bad. That's special pleading and genetic fallacy.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
'In reality, this legislation is a “hate Christians” act because it will target Christians for prosecution not only for violent acts against LGBT individuals, but for speech that might have “incited” or “induced” another person to act in a violent manner toward LGBT persons.' -- Andrea Lafferty, Director, Traditional Values Coalition
So they opposed the bill because they are anti-gay, plain and simple.
terrymorse 1 year ago
@terrymorse that's the point, you people have advocated for violence against gays for too long!!!
phantomsuccour 1 year ago
All equal crimes should have equal punishment period.
Pavelserboris 1 year ago
I like your vids, but I just can't listen to this. That...sound in the background, its awful.
BryceOfByrden 1 year ago
@BryceOfByrden I made this video 10 months ago, and that was the last one that had that hum. It was just a bad mic that I long since stopped using for videos. Try out some of my newer videos to compare.
Zaunstar 1 year ago
Here is a question, Do hate crime laws apply to all perpetrators or just those of the racial religious majority? Can a member of a racial & religious minority be charged for killing another person of different minority status for what would fit by the motive of the perpetrator as a hate crime? Can a "racially driven hate crime" by a person from an minority against a member of the majority also be considered a hate crime?
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos It doesn't matter to me if it's a majority or a minority. People running around assaulting or killing others on the basis of something that has nothing to do with any personal interaction with them are EXTREMELY dangerous people, as I believe I showed in this video.
Zaunstar 1 year ago
@Zaunstar You didn't answer the question. You're dishonest.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@Zaunstar Again, tool, your definition includes every criminal on the planet. Why are we supposed to treat gay people special because of the opinions of the assailant and not black or Hispanic or gang assailants or gay or anyone who commits equally heinous crimes? So you basically don't care, as long as YOU get special treatment and fuck everyone elses' opinion or rights.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality Huh? I don't get any "special" rights that I'm aware of under your definition. I'm a straight white male. I think you're getting a little bit too wound up about this. Do you want to discuss this like an adult, or just post 20 comments on my video? Maybe you should come to my blogtv and we can discuss it more easily.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar Then disclose the material facts. What ARE you getting out of this bill? Are you a Jew? That'd explain your video almost exclusively about Nazis. Your attitude that you're right and we should use force against people you disagree with is wrong. Appeal to force. Your logic isn't sound, it is fallacious, so who the fuck put you in charge? I certainly didn't. You hate radicals so much but you are one. This bill opens the door to the PC police.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality Funny you should "accuse" me of being Jewish. I mentioned that exact accusation in my latest video.
Zaunstar 10 months ago
@Zaunstar You mention that but don't answer if you are Jewish descent. Jews tend to be paranoid of Nazis.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@frank0067: So your arguing that biased violence / terrorism against a group is a "Christian Value?"
bEEarCUB 1 year ago
Freedom of speech is fine but I think we need more laws against hatred and ignorance towards other groups. Words can be fuel to the fire of violence I am fine with people saying whats on their mind but I think they should be educated to why they are wrong and watched so their hatred towards others doesn't grow into a monster. I do not want to violate freedom honestly but I cant stand people being so foolish with their views hatred is slowing our progression down far to much.
WarMasterX6 1 year ago
@WarMasterX6 "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither."
zaduma 1 year ago 4
@zaduma nice try, but killing someone is not a liberty. it's a crime...
WorldBFree2006 1 year ago
@WorldBFree2006 you are a fucking idiot.
zaduma 1 year ago 4
@WorldBFree2006 We already have laws against killing. Duh. The point is you want to destroy free speech and don't understand why we have it. it's to prevent tyranny and a dictatorship.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 No no no, just like assault, killing is justified under certain circumstances, like if they're committing specific types of felony. Now people who've said bad things to people on the internet or elsewhere are going to face hate crime charges if they defend themselves. Especially if they're another race. This is another example of white's cant say nigger because of their skin color but blacks can say anything. Skin color has nothing to do the capacity to harm.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality I am not justifying any violent crime, but to say there is no difference between a basic assault and one that is pre-meditated on the basis of gender, race, religion, handicap, or sexual preference is wrong. For example, I was attacked by 13 people 5 years ago, because I owed someone drug money, facts being facts I brought that on myself. Victims of hate crimes are guilty of nothing but being different, and the people who carry out those attacks should be punished more severely
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 The law does not justify assault for debt any more than for gays. The level of the assault should be the measure of the punishment, NOT weather or not you're gay or black. That's discriminatory. What you don't understand is that freedom of speech protects the KKK and Fred Phelps. most people don't get that and seek to outlaw every damned thing that offends them, including hate, which is subjective. Therefore, freeing speech but punishing actions is the fair solution.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality I am a member of the ACLU I know all to well that unpopular speech is protected by the First Amendment. Emphasis on SPEECH. Killing someone or brutally beating them does not qualify. The bottom line is there are four degrees of murder: premeditated (1st degree) 2nd degree is where premeditation cannot be proven, manslaughter (voluntary and involuntary). Murder 1 is obviously punished the harshest and so on down the line. Are you opposed to that?
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 Yes. I had a brief into to criminal law. The killers of Matthew Shepard / James Byrd, Jr. got 2 life sentences / were executed. Regular law did not fail? It's not clear to me that laws reduce hate, and the law gives unequal protection / unreasonable treatment and investigation, where it should not. You're giving to extreme views. Actions are not speech, therefore treat actions, don't hunt for perceived 'offensive' speech. The speech is open for investigation.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality Finally, you are right about one thing... Laws do not reduce hate. We have the right to hate. I choose not to practice hatred, but if someone else does they are entitled. Stiffer penalties however, on those who carry out violent crimes in the name of hate certainly reduce those. There is nothing in the hate crimes law that prohibits speech, it can however be used against you in a court of law if you stand trial for a violent crime.
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 I seriously doubt stiffer penalties are going to deter hate criminals. Hate speech is supposed to be protected speech. The court shouldn't be investigating speech. People have a right to defend themselves but now they don't, because one has only too look up what socially unacceptable speech one has placed on the internet or what opinions others have about you as a person. That's a witch hunt and unconstitutional.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality A witch hunt? Are you seriously victimizing people who harm and kill others based on hate. For the last time...HATE SPEECH IS NOT CONSIDERED A HATE CRIME UNDER THIS BILL, ONLY A VIOLENT CRIME IS. Now, if you're dumb enough to make hateful comments in a public venue and then commit a violent crime you deserve whatever comes to you (even if the crime was unrelated) I have no sympathy for a hate mongering murderer I save my compassion for their victims and their families.
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 Speech and speech that may have lead to a physical act is part of the bill. Stop lying. I'm all for people getting in trouble, equally, for crimes, including against gays. I'm not for special status and thought policing. It goes beyond the scope of the physical actions when it should NOT. The law is supposed to be blind. All you need to know is if it was intentional or not, without defense or justification, and unreasonable. You're too selfish and stupid to get that.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 And by the way, all of that is trumped if you said a bad word to the person you were fighting with, which is extremely common during fights. That's fucking wrong and you're a fucking retard to selfishly support something so unamerican.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 The law is not ONLY for murder. It includes any physical act. Simply brushing against someone and yelling at them is an assault an battery, you idiot. Why SHOULD someone get a tremendous penalty just because they said a bad word? What the fuck is wrong with you? I can't wait to see this law explode on your dumb ass. You will deserve it.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality You don't know what you're talking about... You my friend are gravely misinformed. Not that that would ever be a problem for me because I've never in my 30 years of life have found it necessary to use a racial, ethnic, homophobic, or sexist comment no matter how much I dislike someone. I will defend anyone's right to say such things, however you need not worry your pretty head about hate speech it's still very legal under this bill...
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 Never say never. I've studied more law than you have, so shut up and go away now, simpleton.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality How do you know you've studied more law than I have. I could have a PHD in Criminal Justice for all you know. It's also extremely funny how you'll call me a simpleton when you can't even read a bill of law before commenting on it. Why don't you spend less time name-calling and more time studying, because however much you've studied law is clearly not enough...
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@ambidextrality As for your whining comment about unequal protection, people treated unequally require unequal protection. You still haven't responded to my point about the four degrees of murder. By your reasoning there should only be one degree of murder and there are four...
WorldBFree2006 10 months ago
@WorldBFree2006 Murder laws treat the actions, NOT the race, creed, origin, sexual orientation, etc. Therefore, they are equal already. The solution for inequality is not MORE inequality. The solution is equality. Making laws that treat people differently based on their skin color or sexuality is inequality. If you're so against inequality why are you supporting it now, hypocrite? Because you get to marginalize someone else for a change.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
HATE laws were made by the hippie types that are now educated in to full fledged democrats that job is to preach anti christina values and to stop any opposition.. they encouter or whistle blowers
frank0067 1 year ago
dick in the booties I called his ass the BBB king and he still is and you the narrator I sure ur a dick in the booty as well but gods gonna get cha you and ya dick in ass buddies die slo from HIV but the AIDS Gonna kill you quicker!
mrtylerdurdan1 1 year ago
Why can't a gangbanger who kills another gangbanger because the other gangbanger is a member of a different gang be charged with a haye crime?Whats next will people who beat up other people over gambling dets get charged with a hate crime?
joeybeck 2 years ago
Also, with your fight example you didn't intentionally victimize either party. It was just an unruly dispute whereas a hate crime is a premeditated attack on someone because of their race, sexual orientation, etc.
SpiderWhiteYT 2 years ago
The hate crime law does not protect white male persons. In other words the hate crime law is a racist law that gives some people more rights then others based on race.
DrInterficio 2 years ago 6
The "spooky" music made me LOL.
AryanPreservation 2 years ago
The concern is that it is an attack on freedom of speech and expression.
Also, it's retarded to classify one crime as being more heinous than another based on the persons attitude. When dealing with murder, for example, the only motivational factor that should be considered is whether or not the act was deliberate. The hate crimes bill is just an attack on freedom of speech AND freedom of thought.
jmsnooks 2 years ago
indeed.
AryanPreservation 2 years ago
I do support Amazigh nationalism and Iranian nationalism but I also support Zionism. While I do think that people ought to be able to speak their mind and share their beliefs regardless of what they believe, I probably have as little in common with you philosophically as I do with Zaunstar.
jmsnooks 2 years ago
You still see it as an attack on speech and thought even if a hate crime is not possible without a violent act being committed?
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Murder, assault, theft, rape, etc. are all ALREADY illegal. Making them more illegal because of the perpetrators alleged emotional state is at best gratuitous. If the legislatures are really frightened about murder and rape they should make the penalties more severe, instead of trying to punish people for their thoughts and feelings. It's unnecessary AND dangerous, as this kind of thing can only lead to discrimination and censorship.
jmsnooks 2 years ago 2
@jmsnooks . Do you agree that this "...attack on freedom of speech AND freedom of thought." Has been around probably before Obama was born. i.e. Special protections for religion. If a man kills another because that other man was a Christian then its considered a hate crime. Why should the Christian or any other religion get special protections? Perhaps you support the repeal of laws that give special protections to those who choose to be ..say Christian.
xzrhsb 2 years ago
Hopefully you won't take offense if I say I am disinclined to believe that such a law exists simply because you say it does. I think I would have heard of that before now. There may be a state law like that but certainly not a Federal law.
jmsnooks 2 years ago
@jmsnooks . try reading Title 18 of USC. 245
xzrhsb 2 years ago
OK I read it, but that isn't exactly what the bill says:
(1) if death results from acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, a fine in accordance with this title and imprisonment for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death;
jmsnooks 2 years ago
@jmsnooks. "The portion of Section 245 of Title 18 which is primarily enforced by the Criminal Section makes it unlawful to willfully injure, intimidate or interfere with any person, or to attempt to do so, by force or threat of force, because of that other person's race, color, religion or national origin..." Religion is the only catagory one can choose. why does religion get special rights.
xzrhsb 2 years ago
@jmsnooks: Hear Hear. "Hate crime punishment" is complete HORSE SHIT. Who gives a god damn WHY someone did a crime, the only important thing is, is that they DID it, and should be punished accordingly, PERIOD. Murder is fucking murder, doesn't matter the motivation behind it. Here's a novel idea, why not just raise the punishment for ALL fucking heinous crimes across the board, instead of placing more value on someone's life based on their race, sexual orientation, etcetera? Problem solved.
CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
I do agree that hate crimes should be taken very seriously but i dont believe that gays should be considered a minority. I dont think that under any circumstance that any one should be prosicuded for their believes, but homosexuality is a choice not a race. They shouldn't be given special rights and regulations for a choice they made especially marriage. Marriage is a holy thing that is meant for a man and woman.
Treydog84 2 years ago
Marriage is holy only to the pious. I see it as just another tradition. Also, gays no more "chose" to be attracted to men than you or I "chose" to be attracted to women, or women with a certain type of look.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Another interesting point. You made a comment about the hypocrisy of having stiffer laws against pedophiles vs "hate crimes". We both know that you are fond of TJ (TAA). Recently it was brought to my attention that he has stated publicly in a video that he felt that Roman Polanski should get leniency for the crime he committed 30+ years ago, which was the drugging and raping of a child. TJ's rationale? Polanski is talented thus it doesn't matter that he is a pedophile...that's just plain sick.
thoughtcrime1933 2 years ago
I saw that video. I don't agree that it makes it OK. I have worked with sexually abused kids. Their minds are rarely the same, even after years of intensive therapy.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
A few points of fact. The real motivation in the beating of Matthew Shepard was robbery, not that he was gay. James Byrd was a convicted felon, who was killed by three other drunken convicts. What they did was evil, no one should treat another human being like the way those murderers did but the media and it's obedient lemmings always leave out things like these key facts as it allows them to better spin such crimes into more salient screeching points for them. It's like yelling FIRE!
thoughtcrime1933 2 years ago
@thoughtcrime1933 Yeah, and didn't most of James Byrd's murderers get caught and prosecuted, and put to death?
ambidextrality 11 months ago
Nice choice of ambience. I can't believe people still call it a thought crime when you're showing footage of these people BEATING other people.
PlatinumIvory 2 years ago
Yeah, that was exactly what I thought! Video of beatings, yet over and over people complain about "thought crimes" being prosecuted. No evidence of such, but asserted over and over and OVER again!
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Say that to Ernst Zundel and David Irving. Two individuals in/had imprisoned for thought crime.
These laws are Orwellian and will simply lead to more and more of them being put into place. You are foolish to not think so.
BTW, when was the last time a "person of color" was charged with a hate crime against a White?
Even when they admit that they targeted their victim because of their race? Hmmm?
thoughtcrime1933 2 years ago
Hate Crime Law is originally just to protect jewish thought . Look at the rest of Western civilization, The U.K., Australia,Canada, have hate speech laws against anyone(whites) who speak ill of other races ,cultures,and religion. Taske your heads out of your asses.
PumpkinPuffer 2 years ago
Let me guess. You're a holocaust denier and you think Jews control the world? I know I'm taking a wild leap there, based on your comments. It's easy to base some amorphous group for the ills of the world. Worked great for a couple dictators.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Let me guess. You don't think. Who controls the media? Who owns it? Who owns the major corporations? Who controls the international banks? Who is in key positions of government influence? Holocaust denier? I can say pearl harbor didn't happen and nothing happens, but if you say the holocaust didn't happen in Germany ,Canada, Australia or any western nation, then you can be put in jail for holocaust denial. WHY?If it's true , then why does it need protection in the law?
PumpkinPuffer 2 years ago
Sigh. I just took a tour of Auschwitz while I was in Poland two months ago. I saw Dachau while in Germany in 2005. You're not unique at all. You sound like every other white supremacist I've "met" on youtube. You guys need some less obvious dogma.
So what would YOU do to Jews if you could do anything to them? Meaning, you were king of the world, no consequences, nobody to answer to, etc..
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Pumpkin made a good point. Again you position yourself like someone "in the know" because you visited Auschwitz. I have also visited Stone Mountain Georgia, several times but I by no means could be considered an "expert" or anyone who is "in the know" when it comes to how the mountain was formed or even the wildlife that populates the area. I find it ironic that you use the term "dogma" when describing the position that Pumpkin is taking, a similar position to my own.
thoughtcrime1933 2 years ago
Ironic because of the religious connotation to that particular word. Seems you were able to find a logical intermingling of our two positions.
thoughtcrime1933 2 years ago
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Hows this Zaunstar?
""Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon
Is that clear enough for you?
2SecSee4u 2 years ago
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves" Former Israeli Prime Minister Mehachim Begin
2SecSee4u 2 years ago
I'm not sure about that quote, however there aren't anywhere close to enough Jewish people to make that happen even if they all really did want to.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
@2SecSee4u: After hearing a quote like that, maybe Hitler knew what the fuck he was talking about. In other words, get them before they get us kind of thing.
CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
@PumpkinPuffer Dude, you just fell for a non sequitur.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
I dont know about you, but Id rather kill a jew before I licked his feet as a slave. You may be getting your tongue warmed up, but Im making different preparations.
Don't come crying to any 'racist' when you taste the dust from a jews feet that you have to lick as their slave. The best you'll probably get is put out of your misery.
2SecSee4u 2 years ago
@Zaunstar Like all your arguments, this is an ad hominem, amongst other things, genetic fallacy. Your arguments are usually: I believe you're a type of person that thinks other thoughts therefore you're arguments here should be dismissed.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
The architects of hate crime law are Jewish groups such as the ADL(Anti defamation league),AJC( American Jewish congress ),Etc. Don't forget the AIPAC(American Israeli Public Action Committee). In the end it's all about jewish control. Who aren't you allowed to criticize ?
PumpkinPuffer 2 years ago
this guy puts higher value on life for cops who arrest pot heads mostly...
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
hate crime is a thought crime... saying anything else is stupid
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
I'm not sure how many times I have to point out that without a violent crime being committed, hate crimes law does not and cannot apply, but let me point it out again.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
but you are adding to the crime because of what the guy thought about the other guy
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
Let me open your eyes ,PLEASE!!!, with a crow bar. Hate crime laws are a double standard one sided "law". All White heterosexual christian males are automatically charged with hate crime or hate speech when they come into violent contact with non white minorities. If non whites come into contact with Whites then it isn't hate crime or hate speech. Look at the statistics in European white countries.
PumpkinPuffer 2 years ago
a crime is a crime. You hit someone because they are gay or not throw youe azz in jail
heyazzhole 2 years ago
I agree 100% heyazzhole. Unfortunately, not all victims are "equals" to the politically correct nutjobs.
EastCoastDude99 2 years ago
The problem with "Hate crime" laws is that it only applies to a certain group. This in itself is racist or prejudice but the politically correct nutjobs fail to recognize their own hypocrisy. ANY crime is a "hate" crime. If a person is murdered or beaton, his perpatrators shouldnt get any less of a criminal charge because the victim is straight, white, christian, or all 3. The narrator of this video wants special rights for certain groups. His bigotry is as bad as the other side.
EastCoastDude99 2 years ago
It's interesting that opponents see it as making current laws being "less". It strikes me a bit like the opponents of gay marriage when they say that gay marriages "cheapen" their own marriage.
You also said "rights". What is the special "right" that you think these groups get? This is not about rights. The victim gets nothing out of this. The perpetrator is the one that gets extra time.
I am the narrator. Which group(s) do you think I'm prejudiced against?
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Well to answer you question of what "special rights' to victims of hate crimes get that others dont.....let me give you an example. A group of blacks assault a white guy.......IF or when they get chared, its usually assault of some degree. But if its a group of whites assaulting a black guy, its assault ALONG with ethnic intimidation charges that can automatically carry jail time. Why have different rules for different people? A victim is a VICTIM regardless of sexual preference or race.
EastCoastDude99 2 years ago
Furthermore......if a straight guy gets jumped by a bunch of idiots and gets his face re-arranged, why shouldnt the perpatrators get the SAME charges as a gay victim of these assaulters? This type of one way thinking only continues to carry the torch of bigotry. Isnt every crime a "hate crime"? Apparently not to you.
EastCoastDude99 2 years ago
wait till the white race is extinct these people think its bad now oh fuck the mexicans n blacks are gonna be in trouble killin eachother cause there starvin n once again the whites get the last laugh
MrShanny6 2 years ago
I am a liberal minority (atheist), but I still think that hate crimes laws are a horrible idea. I am also against additional penalties for police, etc. as such laws are effectively saying that a meter-maid is worth more than, oh say...Stephen Hawking. Besides, how many criminals would ponder, "I'm willing to do 25 years for murder, but not 30 years for killing a cop"? None. Criminals believe they are going to get away with their crimes, or they just wouldn't do them at all.
LividImp 2 years ago 4
To me, there's no difference between killing based on race, sexuality, etc. But if there are going to be hate crime laws, they should apply to white people too. Plenty of people hate whites and I'm sure there are crimes committed against whites because they are white. The whole point of anti-racist legislation is to show everyone is basically equal, and singling out some people and excluding others in a law shows the opposite.
infectingthecrypts 2 years ago 5
Sure, I agree with that. There of course is the same burden of proof with this as with any other crime. Also, remember that only a fraction of all crimes are hate crimes. If someone is choosing "victims" based on these things, then more jail time seems appropriate as an aggravating circumstance.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
True, but I do think it would be harder to convince a jury that say, a Black Panther (if they even still exist =/) beats up a white guy for being white compared to a skinhead because there seems to be a bias. I'm given the impression that people believe minority racists are sort of justified (though they may not agree) while white supremicists are just assholes (I believe they all are, by the way. My point is that people look at different people's hate differently when it's really the same).
infectingthecrypts 2 years ago 2
@Zaunstar If someone is acting like a serial killer you treat them that way. But that's about the crime, not about the thought.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@infectingthecrypts The most hideous and despicable crimes were committed based on hatred. When was a white person hanged from a tree? or dragged from the back of a truck? or sodomized before being killed? Like it or not hate crimes are especially heinous and should be treated as such...
WorldBFree2006 1 year ago
@WorldBFree2006 I see what you're saying and I agree. I dunno, it's a complicated issue and seeing as I wont commit any hate crimes, it doesn't affect me and I wont cry a tear for the hateful assholes who end up getting life without parole instead of 25 years with a chance of parole due to these laws so, it's really just a debate for me. (Damn, that's a horrible run-on sentence, haha)
infectingthecrypts 1 year ago
@WorldBFree2006 Fuck you. White people are attacked all the time. You're a racist. White people are just as capable of being attacked. Black people attack white people constantly, and brutally. White people are beheaded in Iraq and dragged all over the place. You have such a flimsy argument that it only takes ONE example to defeat it and prove you wrong. And this is coming from a gay atheist.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@ambidextrality No one is attacked all the time. I'm white I grew up in a neighborhood with only 4 other white families and the only time I was attacked was over drugs. If you want to bring Iraq into this how about Abu Girhab? You're a gay atheist, is that supposed to strengthen your claim? It doesn't, you've defeated nothing. Your argument is nothing but conjecture you have one very weak example which is trumped by a much larger one. Nice try...
WorldBFree2006 11 months ago
arent all crimes committed through hate? all crimes should be treated equally
psulionz87 2 years ago
So shoplifting should be considered equal to murder or rape? A pedophile should be considered equal to a person who evaded taxes?
amandadawnd 2 years ago
All hate crime laws in the USA , Europe and other western nations were created by the Jewish ADL(Anti defamation league of B'ni B'rith).
These laws eventually morph into thought crime laws. In many places of Europe , Australia and Canada just denial of the Jewish holocaust can get you fined or locked away in prison. Speaking negative about another persons race, religion or culture can get you prosecuted. Alot of hate crime ,thought crime laws go one way. most non-whites get a free pass.
PumpkinPuffer 2 years ago
Pumpkin, first off, why pretend that your objections are something reasoned when a cursory glance at your profile makes it obvious that you've been race trolling for some time now? I don't really care if you're racist. At least then I know what ideology you're coming from.
Second, I believe that the only place it is illegal to deny the holocaust is Germany. There may be others, but I am quite certain that it is not what you claim. Please provide evidence. Thanks.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
Yes, there is a blatant double standard. Its a shame that people don't realize it. Eric Holder stated that Christian white men are excluded from being victims of hate crimes. What about the incident in Akron, OH where a large gang of black teens beat up a white man while chanting racial slurs against whites? Amazing....
xX5THGROUPXx 2 years ago
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isiah29sixteen 2 years ago
Are you channeling the Emporer from the original Star Wars where he tries to turn Luke to the dark side? If so, it's a good acting job.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
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isiah29sixteen 2 years ago
Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things desrve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
nicholas9440 2 years ago
Therefore God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,and the males likewise gave up natural relations with feamles and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and hus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.And since they did not see fit to ackowledge God,God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what was improper.
nicholas9440 2 years ago
So, the sum total of your commentary consists of citing Bible passages? You have your own thoughts too, right?
Zaunstar 2 years ago
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RoseCrossVato 2 years ago
fuck the white police good to hear one of those fucken nazi's wher killed=)
theone91109 2 years ago
gay white people want to put a law on people to stop calling them crackers .good by freedom of speech
theone91109 2 years ago
@theone91109
I'm a gay white cracker.
I never heard of anyone trying to control freedom of speech
Blairtim69 2 years ago
its happening in the usa right now theirs a war going on.
theone91109 2 years ago
dude ur a fucking gunius
MrJOHNEMRE 2 years ago
Not sure about that, but thank you, and thank you for subscribing as well. *:-)
Zaunstar 2 years ago
hate crimes are racist.all crimes are equal
waynegasparro 2 years ago
I don't agree that anyone''s life should be held in higher regard than another's...
This includes Police, First responders etc.
I don't think killing a cop is any different than killing a civilian... ...both have lost their lives. However I can see more reasoning to this, because these people serve (most of them anyway) the public, and risk their lives doing so. Preference on who you F*&k is self serving, and makes you no better than anyone else.
jonopinkfloyd 2 years ago
I think the reason that cop killers get more time is to try to deter the killing of them. If the criminals know that they will only get 5 to 10 years instead of 20 to life (hypothetical numbers) they are more likely to pull the trigger. The cops put themselves at risk for our safety and they deserve some kind of protection, respect, recognition. *not like they get the pay*
amandadawnd 2 years ago
Hate Crime Laws give unequal protection under law: (ficticious example)
I am at a party an some guy is being an asshole.
I punch him, he falls and hits his head, and dies.
Oops, he also happens to be gay. I can now be prosicuted for a "hate crime" even though I punched him because he was a jerk, not gay.
jonopinkfloyd 2 years ago
I've had 20 different versions of that same comment. The law doesn't work that way and it is not written that way. Please read the law. The link is in the sidebar.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
@jonopinkfloyd
That is not how the law works.
If you keep calling him faggot. Chase him into the streets. People witness you saying "die faggot" as you kick him in the head.
Then you have a hate crime
Blairtim69 2 years ago
@Blairtim69 The problem with the argument is that people often spew insults when fighting. The crime should be attacked, not the speech.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
@Blairtim69 There are situations where someone would say die faggot and it not be a hate crime. If you say Jew now you have a hate crime. Children always fight with each other and say mean things when they're doing it. They're already trying to hurt you. just because someone says jew or fag doesn't mean they hate ALL jews and fags, they're just trying to hurt an individual. This is thought policing and you're a supreme idiot to fail to see that. You're an enemy to free speech.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@ambidextrality
You are completely wrong.
I challenge you to find one single case where a person was prosecuted for speech alone. There has never been one. It is not the purpose of the law. A few cases were tried where a person made several speeches calling for blood, and of which followers went and committed horrid violent acts. Even these cases failed in court.
Your lies and distortions only brew false fears.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 Some kids were fighting with each other and someone said Jew. Bingo, Hate crime. And this was on TV.
ambidextrality 10 months ago
@Blairtim69 Hate crime for saying "white boy" and NOT for the nature of the crime below. Likely that they targeted people who appear wealthy, and not white, and easily they could be racist, but this interpretation is not necessary. One only has to deal with the ACTIONS, and not the speech and thoughts, as white boy is not necessarily hate simply because it's from a black person. That's a racist equivocation watch?v=1q8MlI0LnIw
ambidextrality 10 months ago
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You are completely wrong.
I challenge you to find one single case where a person was prosecuted for speech alone. There has never been one. It is not the purpose of the law. A few cases were tried where a person made several speeches calling for blood, and of which followers went and committed horrid violent acts. Even these cases failed in court.
Your lies and distortions only brew false fears.
Blairtim69 10 months ago
I'm very left wing on most issues, but I still don't understand why the motive for a crime should have any baring on the punishment. A murder is a murder, if you kill me because I'm white or you kill me because I wear glasses, it's all the same to me.
seriouslymatsteele 2 years ago
Hate crime is another degree to be taken into consideration during trial and sentencing. There are different degrees for most crimes. battery-aggravated battery
manslaughter 1-3
burglary 1-4
Hate crimes have existed since the 60's for religion, gender, and race, and now sexual identity.
In the past 40 years hate crime laws have been an effective deterrent.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
All I have to say is that we as an American people can have no race. We are of no color as we forced other races on ourselves. I think it is a gross abomination for us as anglo saxon peoples to have done this, but as a rising nation it may or may not have been necessary. I do not believe in gay marriage or inter-racial anything. I believe each race should be seperate if possible, and it is. This law is one of ignorance and stupidity.
matthewdidurmom 2 years ago
Assuming for a moment that you believe the races to be equal, which I doubt, but you didn't specify so I will assume for this moment... What would then be wrong with there being interracial marriage?
Also, I see you are 24 years old from your profile. I think I'm going to start asking some of the commenters their age, level of education, what state they live in, and whether they are in an urban/suburban/rural area. It could be interesting data.
Zaunstar 2 years ago
@Zaunstar Ad hominem data.
ambidextrality 11 months ago
niggers suck
solkacorot 2 years ago
There is one argument that I would like to present that you have not. Because the Hate Crime Law crooked prosecutors can use this law to press on longer sentences to some that do not deserve it. For example, a white guy and a black guy get into a fight in a bar over a girl. The white guy is not racist, neither is the black guy, But if the white guy goes to court on assault charges a crooked prosecutor might use the Hate Crime Law to put on a longer sentence
uhohpp 2 years ago
Of course this could happen. However, how is this any different from any other law that "could be abused by a crooked prosecutor"? The standard of evidence is still the same. A crooked prosecutor can find any number of laws to abuse, don't you think?
Zaunstar 2 years ago