I am proud to say that I was a member of the 1st Bn The Royal Regiment of Wales (24th-41st). I am extremely proud indeed of taking part in the Cardiff Searchlight Tattoo in 1979 which was the Centenery celebrations. Gwell Angau Na Chwyllydd -
this is stupid. the us and britain are allies. stop playing the blame game. using stereotypes about peoples weight and intelligence is simply low. in regards to native americans, i wouldnt mind sitting on my ass all day getting govt checks and ripping people off in casinos, and africans and indians who bitch about the british should realize they wouldnt understand how to bitch without being educated by the brits in the 1st place. im american and i have no issues with tony blair or thatcher
@NOVATICANWARS It *might* have been sung days before the battle, as the British army crossed into Zululand. The regimental song of the 24th Foot would have been "Warwickshire Lad" anyway.
@GuardianOfScotland33 The version heard in the film "Zulu" was written for the film. This version is one of the originals (THE original being in Welsh, of course).
@ImperialistRunningDo ahhaahahha, i just made that comment to piss people off ahhah but btw there were i think some Australian light horse in the boer war?
@m16isdabest OK, now I am confused. What are you talking about? What battle in what war?
If you are talking about the battle of Rorke's Drift in the opening days of the Anglo-Zulu War, there were NO Australian battalions there. If you like, you can find a list of ALL the defenders at Rorke's Drift VC, and there is no mention of the Australian 6th. Are you thinking of the Boer Wars?
Wait a minute. The American bastard called British History 'hypocritically racist'. There is some irony in that statement. I hate how Americans think they know everything even when they haven't bothered to learn anthing. They are also, as we know, renowned worldwide for displays of idiocy.
@Gustaveleloup " The American bastard called British History 'hypocritically racist'."
And to show your non racist credentials you emphasis his nationality. You really are a complete arse.
The British were racist, if for no other reason than that until a generation or so ago it never really occured to anyone that racism was wrong. On the other hand, they weren't particularly hypocritical because during the great days of empire they rarely thought that they were doing anything wrong.
@oarfrost@oarfrost I don't actually think of Americans or British as separate races, but, as you say yourself, nationalites. I am aware that the British Empire was built on the backs of slaves or near-slaves, but an American, if he examines his own history, cannot unhypocritically criticize this. Good day.
@ImperialistRunningDo Someone simply called British history hypocritically racist, as if his own nation is somehow superior in that respect, which is an utter fallacy. Naturally, one can, in hindsight, criticize history, but it is fallacious to attack it without knowledge of the whole issue. Great Britain is no more guilty of racism than any other nation that employed slavery. Perhaps 'hypocrisy' is the wrong word.
@Gustaveleloup People have a blind spot when it comes to history. Just now on the "Zulu - Final Attack" video someone was criticizing the British for slavery and genocide. Not willing to leave it at that, he said that "never but never, something of this nature (in the video) happened on portuguese soil!"
I should have ignored it. REALLY I should have. It just had the same effect on me that fire hydrants have on my dog. I could have walked away. I am so weak....
@Gustaveleloup The only Americans I would consider close to the British, would be the ones who have descendents from England. The majority of Americans have non British blood in them.
@esh325 Right you are. I am originally from New York. Both my mothers ancestors and my fathers came to america from England in the mid 17th century. Both families also had the distinction of being loyalists during the american revolution. Because of this, they lost all of the land holdings on long island after the revolution. My younger sister has just completed an exhaustive search of our family tree that dates to the mid 14th century in england. Am I proud, yes indeed!
@esh325 In the 1980 United States Census, over 49 million (49,598,035) Americans claimed English ancestry, at the time around 26.34% of the total population and largest reported group which, even today, would make them the largest ethnic group in the United States
@Gustaveleloup america had the issue of disunity in regards to slavery. our nation was built on the industrialization of populated sectors of the nation. slavery may have lined the pockets of southern plantation owners but the america you see today in all of its modernization had nothing to do with slavery, but more to do with big business
Sir John A. Macdonald said that the American Civil War was inevitable as a result of relatively weaker central government and stronger state governments.
Basically, the Yanks didn't know how to draw up a constitution (or fight a war). The War of 1812 one of my favourites. As soon as the British had finished off Napoleon, there was an influx of crack redcoats to fight in North America. After Washington was burned by Sir George Cockburn, the Yanks quickly made peace and called it a draw.
Hm, a little curious where all the hostility comes from. We're all members of the dread Anglo-sphere feared by the world over. No need to fight amongst ourselves. Give thanks to our mother Britain and love our brothers in Australia and Canada. We might have different names and be in different places, but we'll all stick by each other. That's what mom would want after all.
@Saberlena this is a welsh old old song about fighting the saxons who came along with the normans to destroy the welsh and cornsih cultures....I LOVE VARIETY so i cant stand oppressive people, still a long way to go in the struggle. Ry'n ni yma o hyd
@3tangle3 - maybe? I thought that the song referred to the 7 year siege in the Wars of the Roses, where Harlech was a Lancastrian stronghold. But what has it got to do with the 24th (Warwickshire) regt. at Rorke's Drift?
@adventussaxonum officialyy yes it was to do with the war of roses, but the older song and lyrics refer to owain glyndwr and that whole wales vs invaders.
Im an American and i am proud of my English heritage, damned proud at that. But i am also proud for my countrys founding fathers for setting the foundation for this wonderful country. England is a very beautiful place, and so is America, and so are many other parts of this world. It saddens me to see our English brothers with all the comments replying to these imbecilic "representatives" of us citizens. Just ignore them. You can't fix stupid.
Americans were British before 1775 and Generals like my 2nd cousin's George Washington, & Lighthorse Harry and his son Robert E Lee and General William Clark, Conqueror of the Old Northwest we did OK. You name the fight and the family was in it.
So when you insult Americans, where do you put Winston Churchill half American and partialy American British Royal family?
@progressiverebel "... partially American Royal Family." What? The only American member of the Royal family was the Duchess of Windsor, now deceased. Wallis Simpson had no children. Thank god.
@ImperialistRunningDog.When Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, she was treading the soil of her ancestors. Her eighth great–grandfather, Col. Augustine Warner II, was also the great–grandfather of Gen. George Washington. Her ninth great–grandfather,
@bobwaters "Are you guys really so unsure of yourselves?" Oh, yes, we are PAINFULLY insecure on YouTube. Of course, I'm an American saying that. The Palistinian/Israeli flame wars I see here are no big mystery, but I'm baffled by the amount of acrimony between the US and UK.
My parents were married in post-war England. I went to high school in London. My sister's married to an Englishman.So I get to listen to this US/UK bashing every family reunion. Sheesh.
@bobwaters The House of Saxe-Coburg was from Prince Albert's side. Queen Victoria was House of Hanover ... so German on both sides.
I saw the film "The King's Speach." Princess Elizabeth asks her father what Hitler was saying and he said "I don't know, but he's doing a jolly good job of it." In reality, they both spoke German
It always amazes me that so many of the UK don't understand many of the oldest families in the United States. come from Wales, Scotland,Ireland Northern Ireland. Admiral John Hawkins my 12 Great Granfather and his cousin Admiral Sir Francis Drake, did in the Armada. My people include all the English,Welsh,Irish and French Kings. Henry V f Agincourt fame is my 1st cousin and his widow Catherine is my great grandma. Elizabeth II is my 8th cousin.
@progressiverebel "It always amazes me that so many of the UK don't understand many of the oldest families in the United States. come from Wales, Scotland,Ireland Northern Ireland. Admiral John Hawkins my 12 Great Granfather and his cousin Admiral Sir Francis Drake, did in the Armada"
Actually, I think you will find that Sir Francis Drake came from Tavistock in Devon. And he was childless, so any relationship with him would be somewhat tenuous.
@williamskidfears i dont know awhole lot about the argentina conflict besides that the Argentinans attacked you guys first but the IRA have every right to fight against the oppression they have had to deal with from the brits. if somebody invades and occupies my country i would do the same thing there doing.
@soukupb hey lad when somebody would do that with my country i'd do the same when it was in my time, but the english invaded in the 15th century and was british until ww1 at least, so 400 years fighting and i think you wouldn't make it from begin to start, i would fight when it's a free country and get invaded but not after 300 ore 400 years. ore would you fight against the irish cause they reinvaded Ireland.
@reinierchristiaan i said 1916-1921 because thats when Michael Collins formed the IRA and the Irish started becoming more effective with fighting the British.
Hello Mike. Perhaps you should reread your history. The Korean War involved the UN against N. Korea, China and the Soviet Union. If memory serves me right England is a member of the UN. The Korean War is still going on. The Coalition Forces have won in Iraq while NATO forces still fight in Afghanistan. Vietnam was lost but not by our military.
@HOOSIERLOVER Were the British involved in Korea? And how! You are familiar with the "Glorious Glosters?" The regiment carried more battle honours on their Regimental colors than any other British Army line regiment.
The British ought to be grateful for American and Commonwealth support in WWI and WWII. As the USA ought to be grateful for UK and Commonwealth support after that.
Sorry, but it was McCarthur who decided to invade North Korea, not the UN & that is what lost you the Korean war (Or a bad draw!!) Iraq is a lost cause & no-one can seriously think it is better now than before the invasion. Vietnam was lost by the US, you cannot pick & choose which particular part of the US caused the loss.
That's like saying the superbowl was lost by the quarterback or the goal kicker, it was lost by the side that didn't win.
@mikethefoto The purpose of the UN involvement in Korea was to restore the border to the Pre-North Korean Invasion. Which we did. I don't know if you know any Iraqis but most agree that things are MUCH better than they were under Saddam. I do not know what propaganda you listen to but most believe the War in Iraq to be over and the Bush Surge to be a success. It is not perfect but the Cities are safe now.
Respond to this video... You made the statement that the US military lost so many Wars. I merely pointed out that the US military didn't lose any. You picked what part lost and I merely pointed out the truth.
@HOOSIERLOVER . When I was stationed in Korea on the Command Staff I held UN ID and some of my buddies were on the British Hornor Guard and I knew a couple of Gurkha. At Yongson Compound HQ for US Forces Korea the Guard is UK.
@Tobskybobski1 You're wrong and you're from Warwickshire (grin), but you're right on this. The 24th was NOT Welsh. The lads at Rorke's Drift were the usual odd lot: London, Burmingham, Ireland, what-have-you. There were more Irish lads than Welshmen. The only Scot was John William Roy DCM, and he was no credit to the uniform. He had drinking related injuries, bad conduct reports and died of an STD.
Oh right i didn't know that. :P But i can see why because not EVERYONE must have been from Warwickshire. Films can make historical events so confusing and inaccurate. Like the film U-571 where the Americans thought that they had broken the Inigma code...
@Tobskybobski1 To be fair, the US Navy DID capture a German U-Boat, complete with enigma machine. I've been onboard. The U-505 is on display at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.
THAT BEING SAID... U-571 is to history what Roadrunner cartoons are to physics. I think U-571 is the only film soooo bad that a president had to apologize for it. Why couldn't they have just done a story based on the U-505?
Besides, everyone knows it was the Poles that broke the enigma... ;-)
Yeah i believe that it was a mixture that broke the Enigma code, but the code was know to be broken by the British at Bletchley Park. But again, the Polish did brake a code in the 1930s. :P Those polish are clever chaps. :)
@Tobskybobski1 I got my degree in Computer InformationScience at the University of Oregon. There's a bust of Alan Turing over the door. Never been to Bletchley Park. Just got a package from my sister who lives in Surry full of stuff from Bletchley.
What is amazing is that the Poles cracked the early Enigma, got occupied by the Germans for years, and Berlin HADN'T A CLUE that their codes had been compromised. Most of those involved escaped to France, which was also occupied.
It's nice to have a sensible conversation about this topic instead of accusing and arguing... We need more people like you in the world who know these things well. :)
@Seantheminiman Innacurate? Yes, but loads of fun. Only an idiot would watch a production of Shakespeare's "Macbeth" and claim to be an expert on Scottish history, but for some reason there's no shortage of fools who can watch this move and know everything there is to know about this battle. Why can't people say, "Good movie, now let's read up on what REALLY happened?"
Is there a reason that whenever I listen to good music or watch some video that has had a relation to wars at all I can't escape people arguing over whose country saved whose, whether they needed saving, or whether the war was necessary at all?
@mikethefoto No bother Mike! The yanks are easy pickings! As somone once said, look at their football. Protected from head to toe in armour. Huge numbers in each team, many of whom are only on the pitch for short periods such as to take a kick. Lots of equipment. Lots of training. But subjet them to prolonged activity where their armour doesn' protect them & they are fucked. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in a rugby or Aussie Rules football match! (Do like the yanks though!)
@mikethefoto Ah,, dude... snark does not equal either logic or history. I have to think the British educational system is better than either your spelling or your history would indicate.
You lose this exchange, my friend. Unlike the United States, btw, in eitherAfghanistan or Iraq. The latter, we won; the former is still at issue. And btw, exactly what is your point where Korea is concerned?
No need to be so jealous, hate-filled, and defensive, friend.
Vietnam-lost,Iraq- at best a draw even though the aftermath is a bloody disaster but at least you got the oil, Afganistan-losing, Korea-If MacArthur hadn't been such a gung-ho prat you could have draw that one.
The phrase regarding glass houses & throwing stones springs to mind, what is a speach.
Iraq was won dude. They have a president and are now a democracy. You can argue against the war in Iraq all you want and would have very valid points but the war has been won by the US and it really wasn't even close.
I have no idea what he said to you... but this is just rude.
I live in The US and, when I was in schiool we had to learn British History which is just absurd... as your history is wildly hypocritically racist. dfrom a recent trip I would say your politics still are.
Typical. If you cannot be bothered to check the facts I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself & refrain from rash reactions, & wildly inaccurate observations.
Sorry but having met & dealt with Americans at home & abroad my comments stand.
Generally speaking the nationalistic, ignorant rednecks outnumber any attempts at reasoned logical bodies by a vast percentage which unfortunately makes the whole lot of you a laughing stock all over the world.
If your country had any intelligence, "friendly fire", George Bush (both of them), Sara Palin & peace through superior fire power would all be unheard of in the world at large.
Peace through superior fire power is something the Britons have used to quell native "savages" far before the US ever even came into prominence.
I think you've got a bit of cognitive bias. You see a loud, rude American, and this confirms your mental schema that all Americans are loud and rude. You don't focus on the quieter Americans because they're quiet. And, frankly, you don't want to acknowledge them because by acknowledging them you'd refute your current mental schema.
But as I said, having met and worked with your compatriots over the past 20 odd years both at home & abroad my comments stand. MOST are loud, ignorant (when it comes to the affairs of the world) and insular to an embarrassing degree. As the only world superpower (until China takes over) you as a nation should not be above the law (either your own or others)
Too many examples of flouting or changing the law to suit yourselves exist to show here, hence the general disgust.
A government is not representative of its people. I suppose you like the direction your country is going? The UK is looking more and more like an Orwellian nightmare from over here.
And I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with Americans. But I can tell you, the many citizens of the UK I have met have been just as arrogant, nationalistic, and loud as any stereotypical American. However, I choose to not form generalizations about the UK.
Our saving of your bums in two world wars and our responsibility for the very democratic system you enjoy in the UK aside, I'm not sure whether to attribute your odd post, mikethefoto, to jealousy or radicalism. Certainly the genocide of the American Indian was appalling, but nowhere near the scale of what you guys did all over the world.
I write this not to indict Britain, but to point out that you have no business quoting those particular proverbs in this particular context.
@bobwaters Oh dear. Another brain washed yank. You entered WW1 when it was 3/4 over. GB stood alone against Hitler for 2 yrs. We stopped his westward advance and made him turn on the USSR. They too stoped him. US only entered the war 'cause of Pearl Harbour. Not to say we didn't need your help. We did. But you didn't save us.
@bobwaters Eh? How is the US responsible for BRITISH Democracy? Did I miss that lecture? I thought the magna carta, parlimentary systems, etc. came from England.
England has gone through many reforms, but thanks to their own politicians, like Pitt the Younger.
@a0e0roberts hereford is called henffordd in welsh. was majority welsh speaking until 1750s....history is surprising if you delve deeper ;) doing a postgrad on history and genetics of brit isles so much history
@mikethefoto Nearly as bad as your spelling, Mike. And you guys fought in Iraq, too- and helped us topple a bloody tyrant. Whether the war was necessary or not, it's hardly fodder for your argument. That victorious war did more good than harm for all concerned- especially for the Iraqis who no longer have to contend with Saddam.
@mikethefoto Well said Mike. And how many wars has the US won without GB fighting on their side? I can think of 2 - US - Spanish War, 1898 and the invasion of Grenada in 1984. Lol - that's it!
@lastswordfighter lol So short of wars we have to count one we fought against ourselves? The Insurrection clearly doesn't count as it wasn't a war. Wars against oneself don't count. So we found 1 war that you yanks managed to fight without Britain as your ally. And which one was that? The one you fought against us! lol I like the US (not Obama), I'd happily vote Republican or more likely the Tera Party but you had 2 days to come up with nothing! Don't fuck with Britain mate -or us Brits on YT!
@TheBritishUnionist A war is war. If there are military forces killing each other left and right for a long period of time then it is a war simple as that. Whether it's a civil war, against a foreign country, or it's declared or not if soldiers fighting against soldiers it is war. By the way I wasn't trying to fuck with you. I was just making a comment.
@lastswordfighter OK mate. But even taking what you said as true, it only amounts to 6 wars. Nowhere near as many as us. But, hey we are allies and always have been. We are out there with you in Afghanistan and Iraq. Please remember that!
@LexPhilogus Fair enough mate. But the point is Britain has fought - and won - 100s of such wars. As I've already said, I like America. I loved Reagan. But, don't ever try to undermine what Britain achieved. The weight of history simply cannot be denied!
@TheBritishUnionist Your country is more than a thousand years old, so It's not really a fair comparison. But If I belittled Britain's accomplishments then I would necessarily be undermining America's.
In the 18h -19th century, America was geographically isolated, so from a stand point of rational self interest, it didn't make much sense to be involved in European conflicts. I'm sure that if Benjamin Disraeli had been American, he would have wanted it played it in smiler fashion.
Well, the quick answer is that those particular yanks are arrogant or retarded.
I think a that major weakness in American culture is general ignorance of History. No person that's knowledgeable about history can do anything but admire Britain or even other major European powers for that matter.
Americans tend to have this winner takes all mentality where if you're not number one you might as well be dead last. Their logic goes, "we beat you, so you're nothing."
@LexPhilogus the answer to your question m8 is a big fat NONE, americans are cowards and faggots who only get into a war when we have already won it, they have no history and they hate it , basically if you look at history they are just mixed europeans, real americans are the incas and the indians
Both wars Britain fought against the Americans they lost.
We're the only former British subjects to have fought and won lasting independence (correct me if I'm wrong). But somehow you manage to believe that taking on the most powerful empire the world twice is cowardice.
You are either very ignorant or extremely butthurt.
A cursory glance of the last 2 decades totally renders your post FAIL. The U.S. led led the coalition in Desert Storm, played a large role in stopping ethnic cleansing in east Europe, and is now fighting two wars almost by itself.
Your implied WW2 reference is also ridiculous, as it besmirches both American and Canadian sacrifices made at Normandy, and the subsequent battles in the European theater, while also totally ignoring the fact that the U.S. beat Japan.
Americans think they won the war of 1812 for some reason...
ofc who can blame em? the brits only BURNED THEIR CAPITAL, the only reason they diddnt burn it /all/ was that hurricane (or tornado, forgot which) hit, and the american objective was to conquer canada....diddnt work out so well....but shh....americans are afraid of facts and proof....
I am an American, but I have to admit that the War of 1812 was a stupid idea. The Americans did try to take Quebec twice and failed. Just as well with the hassles we have withSpanish down here. A third language we don't need. Yankees burned York as the Brits burned Washington. Americans were rightly miffed by the Royal Navy impressing men off US flag vessels for their navy.
As to other wars, most of the stupid "USA won every war", it's nothing but Hollywood. Remember the Alamo!!
I agree, indeed the War of 1812 was rather pointless and both sides seemed to be rather bloodied by the end. Both sides seem to see it as their victory, but I personally do not believe that impressment was a good practice.
@macbeth1041 Ironically, impressment was NOT acted on in the Treaty of Ghent. When the war with Napoleon was over, the Royal Navy couldn't find work for their sailors, so had no need to impress people who didn't want to take the King's shilling. The War of 1812 PROLONGED impressment, because it prolonged the war with France.
As a supporter of the Native American Indians, it really ticks me off when "Americans" accuse other nations are having a genocidal past. The hypocrisy of the United States knows no bounds and never ceases to amaze me.
@BattlestarDamocles While the Native americans did get fucked they werent innocent.
They hada big problem with signing peace treaties then breaking those treaties. They didnt understand that when a cheif signed a treaty EVERYONE in the tribe had to respect it. And so they died. Every nation on this planet is built upon the ground that was once someone elses.
Lest we forget how the brits got THEIR island. BTW im scots- irish, brit, german and a couple others so...
@valcan321 :Excuse me, but it was the U.S. government that kept breaking the treaties, not the Indians. Get your history right. Giving the Indians some land and then taking it off them with false tales of "gold in them thar hills" is just plain sick.
The United States should keep its mouth shut instead of preaching to others about things they have done themselves.
@BattlestarDamocles Both sides broke treaties. Both for different reasons. The Settlers where in the wrong but so were the indians. People have a stupid world view of indians. Somehow they have come to believe that the indians were above things like rape, murder, or thieft. They were as humans as we are.
@valcan321 :Yes, but the Indians were their first, it was THEIR land, regardless of the infighting that all peoples are subject to. The settlers stole what was not theirs.
I'm glad to see you revert to form & start with bad grammar & swearing.
What you seem unable to grasp is that 99% of the world think the likes of you are a joke & you are despised for your nations actions as a failing superpower.
A minority of your countrymen do actually travel abroad proudly proclaiming your nationality & we just stand & watch you make n exhibition of yourselves with your crass, childish, ignorant remarks.
The phrases "pot calling the kettle black" & "people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" spring to mind having read your ill considered inane drivel.
Your bloody forebears virtually wiped out native Americans, brought nothing but death & destruction to enemies & allies alike on battlefields throughout the world (usually late) & have failed to win a war you have started in the last 100 years despite your much vaunted & overrated military.
@mikethefoto oh, i beg your pardon. i thought all men from uk were named ian. but judging from your negative and hateful comments i'm guessing you're a paki or some other ungrateful foriegner? wanna challenge my intellect? have at er' big boy.
Having read your most recent drivel, I think you have done my job for me.
The content is akin to that of a 5 year old & the grammar & spelling that of a well educated American or a European with learning difficulties.
Now just accept the fact that the US has failed to win any conflict it has started in the last 60 years, is economically bankrupt ( 70% of your national debt is owned by the Chinese), your leadership inept & your national superiority complex misplaced.
@mikethefoto well mikey, i'm not here to impress you. also, to point out the the obvious, that our leadership, as well as our economic situation makes you a master of the obvious. not to see that our service industry was sold out since 1945 and into the 70's and our middle management in the last two decades by corporate butt pirates to overseas mkts. one has to be blind. so, you don't impress me. finally, your envy of my "national superiority complex" sounds like a personal problem bub.
@mikethefoto one more thing mikey; we are painfully aware of the conflicts our leadership has not permitted us to win in the past 60 years. i needed to correct your rabbit-trailing semantics there. it's a well known fact that our military was purposely held back from advancing in viet nam. our men who fought in that "police action" are still held in high esteem for their valor. your words of mockery to the last statement are but drivel to me so it's futile to even try.
But the whole point of war/conflict is to win, so if your politicians, generals, GI's fail to perform, you lose. It is no good playing the blame game.
Don't start what you cannot finish.
You "advanced" in Korea, & look where that got you!
As to my stating the obvious, it always seems so necessary with people such as you, & the comment about your misplaced superiority complex was just that, a comment.If I believed in imaginary diety's I would thank god I'm not a US citizen.
As you admit not knowing what was said I respectfully suggest you acquaint yourself with all the facts before committing yourself to an ill-considered course of action.
Something your government & military might consider in future!!
As you admit not knowing what was said I respectfully suggest you acquaint yourself with all the facts before committing yourself to an ill-considered course of action.
Something your government & military might consider in future!!
As for allies, only when it suits the US as I see it. When did you ever help us when it wasn't in US interests?
@mikethefoto And in addtion, we were not late in any War. I am assuming that you are referring to WWI and WWII. Neither of which the Allies would have won without our help. By the way, I want to thank the British Gov. for being the only country to repay the US back for all of the assistance rendered during WWII. We gave billions to the Allied cause as well as to the Marshall Plan in order to rebuild Europe, Asia and N. Africa.
The British Empire brought civilisation to the world. Before the BE if the chief of the local tribe did not like you then you died, horribly more often than not. The British and therefore the English who had dragged the rest of Britain upwards brought law, hospitals and learning to many parts of the world.
The human rights violations of the English race: Their soldiers have raped many Irish, Scottish and Welsh women over the past thousand years. And any Irish, Welsh, or Scottish rebels who were caught standing up to them were tortured and brutally murdered. They did the same to people in Africa, india, Asia, and elsewhere. Rule Brittania? You racist piece of shit. The Welsh, the Scottish, and the Cornish are not the same blood as the English, Leave Their lands, You have abused them enough.
@shanahanism For thousands of years human rights never existed. How could the English possibly violate a right that never existed. Things that happened in the past must stay in the past. Rape, torture and murder occured in EVERY civilization. To accuse one Nation of these crimes and not another is ignorant. The French executed their monarchy without trial, the Catholics murdered thousands of women, in China the first emperor murdered millions. The past is the past.
@9893low Ignorence is no excuse. look at the british empires track record The idea that human rights is an invention of recent decades is absurd, You would think a nation with a cross on its flag would pay attention to something as simple as do unto others. Im not saying the British government is still a model of tyranny, what I am saying is the word tyranny in the dictionary shold have the word "see British empire " next to it.
@9893low That is a fatalistic attitude. thats like saying the nazis could come back anytime but why should we fight it its human nature. As long as the english remember to feel perpetually guilty for all the horrible things their ancestors did, I shall consider curtailing my rightious anger Quite honestly I have no bleedin clue what harlech was anyway, I suppose it had something to do with the welsh.
I am proud to say that I was a member of the 1st Bn The Royal Regiment of Wales (24th-41st). I am extremely proud indeed of taking part in the Cardiff Searchlight Tattoo in 1979 which was the Centenery celebrations. Gwell Angau Na Chwyllydd -
gwyn0359 2 months ago
this is stupid. the us and britain are allies. stop playing the blame game. using stereotypes about peoples weight and intelligence is simply low. in regards to native americans, i wouldnt mind sitting on my ass all day getting govt checks and ripping people off in casinos, and africans and indians who bitch about the british should realize they wouldnt understand how to bitch without being educated by the brits in the 1st place. im american and i have no issues with tony blair or thatcher
mackshayster 5 months ago
@mackshayster I'm English and I agree however I do have issues with Thatcher!
evertonjf08 5 months ago
class film
shaunspurs22 7 months ago
Yes .but apparantley was sung before it.....
NOVATICANWARS 7 months ago
@NOVATICANWARS It *might* have been sung days before the battle, as the British army crossed into Zululand. The regimental song of the 24th Foot would have been "Warwickshire Lad" anyway.
ImperialistRunningDo 7 months ago
Magnificent.... just magnificent,.What a rousing song . No wonder we won at Rorke,s Drift.....
NOVATICANWARS 7 months ago
@NOVATICANWARS othe song wasn't sung at the Battle of Rorke's Drift. That's just a myth.
ImperialistRunningDo 7 months ago
Thats the song they sang in Zulu wasnt it ?
GuardianOfScotland33 9 months ago 2
@GuardianOfScotland33 The version heard in the film "Zulu" was written for the film. This version is one of the originals (THE original being in Welsh, of course).
ImperialistRunningDo 9 months ago
@ImperialistRunningDo ahhaahahha, i just made that comment to piss people off ahhah but btw there were i think some Australian light horse in the boer war?
m16isdabest 10 months ago
@m16isdabest Lol. Sorry to have taken the bait; you might have found someone who feels strongly.
It is generally thought that about 16,000 Australians fought in the Second Boer War, from the first days to the bitter end.
ImperialistRunningDo 10 months ago
dont forget the Australian 6 th infantry battalion who fought at Rorkes drift
m16isdabest 10 months ago
@m16isdabest OK, now I am confused. What are you talking about? What battle in what war?
If you are talking about the battle of Rorke's Drift in the opening days of the Anglo-Zulu War, there were NO Australian battalions there. If you like, you can find a list of ALL the defenders at Rorke's Drift VC, and there is no mention of the Australian 6th. Are you thinking of the Boer Wars?
ImperialistRunningDo 10 months ago
Great song :)
muti7777 10 months ago
Wait a minute. The American bastard called British History 'hypocritically racist'. There is some irony in that statement. I hate how Americans think they know everything even when they haven't bothered to learn anthing. They are also, as we know, renowned worldwide for displays of idiocy.
Gustaveleloup 10 months ago
@Gustaveleloup " The American bastard called British History 'hypocritically racist'."
And to show your non racist credentials you emphasis his nationality. You really are a complete arse.
The British were racist, if for no other reason than that until a generation or so ago it never really occured to anyone that racism was wrong. On the other hand, they weren't particularly hypocritical because during the great days of empire they rarely thought that they were doing anything wrong.
oarfrost 10 months ago
@oarfrost @oarfrost I don't actually think of Americans or British as separate races, but, as you say yourself, nationalites. I am aware that the British Empire was built on the backs of slaves or near-slaves, but an American, if he examines his own history, cannot unhypocritically criticize this. Good day.
Gustaveleloup 10 months ago
@Gustaveleloup WHAT? How would that make me a hypocrite? I criticize slavery EVERYWHERE I see it, ESPECIALLY here in the USA.
That's like saying that modern Germans can't criticize the Nazi party....
ImperialistRunningDo 10 months ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Someone simply called British history hypocritically racist, as if his own nation is somehow superior in that respect, which is an utter fallacy. Naturally, one can, in hindsight, criticize history, but it is fallacious to attack it without knowledge of the whole issue. Great Britain is no more guilty of racism than any other nation that employed slavery. Perhaps 'hypocrisy' is the wrong word.
Gustaveleloup 10 months ago
@Gustaveleloup People have a blind spot when it comes to history. Just now on the "Zulu - Final Attack" video someone was criticizing the British for slavery and genocide. Not willing to leave it at that, he said that "never but never, something of this nature (in the video) happened on portuguese soil!"
I should have ignored it. REALLY I should have. It just had the same effect on me that fire hydrants have on my dog. I could have walked away. I am so weak....
ImperialistRunningDo 10 months ago 2
@ImperialistRunningDo
You know what I say to them? if we were so cruel and evil, then why are there so many foreigners in England right now?
WolfytheWolf5667 7 months ago
@Gustaveleloup The only Americans I would consider close to the British, would be the ones who have descendents from England. The majority of Americans have non British blood in them.
esh325 8 months ago
@esh325 You mean "the ones who have descendents from Britain".
NapoleonCalland 8 months ago in playlist EMPIRE
@NapoleonCalland yes.
esh325 8 months ago
@esh325 Right you are. I am originally from New York. Both my mothers ancestors and my fathers came to america from England in the mid 17th century. Both families also had the distinction of being loyalists during the american revolution. Because of this, they lost all of the land holdings on long island after the revolution. My younger sister has just completed an exhaustive search of our family tree that dates to the mid 14th century in england. Am I proud, yes indeed!
elcamman50 7 months ago
@esh325 In the 1980 United States Census, over 49 million (49,598,035) Americans claimed English ancestry, at the time around 26.34% of the total population and largest reported group which, even today, would make them the largest ethnic group in the United States
Damnblastify 5 months ago
@Gustaveleloup america had the issue of disunity in regards to slavery. our nation was built on the industrialization of populated sectors of the nation. slavery may have lined the pockets of southern plantation owners but the america you see today in all of its modernization had nothing to do with slavery, but more to do with big business
mackshayster 5 months ago
@mackshayster besides you know.....getting all the raw resourses to run the machine of industry....
SargeSouth 3 months ago
Sir John A. Macdonald said that the American Civil War was inevitable as a result of relatively weaker central government and stronger state governments.
Basically, the Yanks didn't know how to draw up a constitution (or fight a war). The War of 1812 one of my favourites. As soon as the British had finished off Napoleon, there was an influx of crack redcoats to fight in North America. After Washington was burned by Sir George Cockburn, the Yanks quickly made peace and called it a draw.
Gustaveleloup 10 months ago 2
British patriotism brings Amerifags out of the woodwork
get over yourselves.
Williamshatnerfag69 11 months ago 2
this is surely the best 'anthem' in the history of the world....Welsh pride and passion...untouchable......long live
19paddy71 11 months ago
FUCKING SHEEP SHAGGERS
tayloravril 11 months ago
Hm, a little curious where all the hostility comes from. We're all members of the dread Anglo-sphere feared by the world over. No need to fight amongst ourselves. Give thanks to our mother Britain and love our brothers in Australia and Canada. We might have different names and be in different places, but we'll all stick by each other. That's what mom would want after all.
Saberlena 11 months ago
@Saberlena this is a welsh old old song about fighting the saxons who came along with the normans to destroy the welsh and cornsih cultures....I LOVE VARIETY so i cant stand oppressive people, still a long way to go in the struggle. Ry'n ni yma o hyd
3tangle3 11 months ago
this was a song about welsh resisting saxon (english) subjagation and rule.....lost when the normans came in of course
Wele faner i fyny.
Rhyddid aiff a hi. Big up the old british language not the imposter ;P
3tangle3 1 year ago
@3tangle3 - maybe? I thought that the song referred to the 7 year siege in the Wars of the Roses, where Harlech was a Lancastrian stronghold. But what has it got to do with the 24th (Warwickshire) regt. at Rorke's Drift?
adventussaxonum 11 months ago
@adventussaxonum officialyy yes it was to do with the war of roses, but the older song and lyrics refer to owain glyndwr and that whole wales vs invaders.
3tangle3 11 months ago
Im an American and i am proud of my English heritage, damned proud at that. But i am also proud for my countrys founding fathers for setting the foundation for this wonderful country. England is a very beautiful place, and so is America, and so are many other parts of this world. It saddens me to see our English brothers with all the comments replying to these imbecilic "representatives" of us citizens. Just ignore them. You can't fix stupid.
redslownight 1 year ago
Liz, American Ancestor is Augustine Warner
progressiverebel 1 year ago
Hello
progressiverebel 1 year ago
Americans were British before 1775 and Generals like my 2nd cousin's George Washington, & Lighthorse Harry and his son Robert E Lee and General William Clark, Conqueror of the Old Northwest we did OK. You name the fight and the family was in it.
So when you insult Americans, where do you put Winston Churchill half American and partialy American British Royal family?
progressiverebel 1 year ago
@progressiverebel "... partially American Royal Family." What? The only American member of the Royal family was the Duchess of Windsor, now deceased. Wallis Simpson had no children. Thank god.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDog.When Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, she was treading the soil of her ancestors. Her eighth great–grandfather, Col. Augustine Warner II, was also the great–grandfather of Gen. George Washington. Her ninth great–grandfather,
progressiverebel 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Right. The British Royal family- the House of Saxe-Coburg, aka Windsor- is German, not American. Or English.
Really. The British insecurity and jealously of the United States on this board is puzzling. Are you guys really so unsure of yourselves?
bobwaters 11 months ago
@bobwaters "Are you guys really so unsure of yourselves?" Oh, yes, we are PAINFULLY insecure on YouTube. Of course, I'm an American saying that. The Palistinian/Israeli flame wars I see here are no big mystery, but I'm baffled by the amount of acrimony between the US and UK.
My parents were married in post-war England. I went to high school in London. My sister's married to an Englishman.So I get to listen to this US/UK bashing every family reunion. Sheesh.
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
@bobwaters The House of Saxe-Coburg was from Prince Albert's side. Queen Victoria was House of Hanover ... so German on both sides.
I saw the film "The King's Speach." Princess Elizabeth asks her father what Hitler was saying and he said "I don't know, but he's doing a jolly good job of it." In reality, they both spoke German
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
It always amazes me that so many of the UK don't understand many of the oldest families in the United States. come from Wales, Scotland,Ireland Northern Ireland. Admiral John Hawkins my 12 Great Granfather and his cousin Admiral Sir Francis Drake, did in the Armada. My people include all the English,Welsh,Irish and French Kings. Henry V f Agincourt fame is my 1st cousin and his widow Catherine is my great grandma. Elizabeth II is my 8th cousin.
progressiverebel 1 year ago
@progressiverebel "It always amazes me that so many of the UK don't understand many of the oldest families in the United States. come from Wales, Scotland,Ireland Northern Ireland. Admiral John Hawkins my 12 Great Granfather and his cousin Admiral Sir Francis Drake, did in the Armada"
Actually, I think you will find that Sir Francis Drake came from Tavistock in Devon. And he was childless, so any relationship with him would be somewhat tenuous.
oarfrost 1 year ago
@oarfrost US is basically where a lot of ppl who disagreed with the british state fled, including many welsh and gaelic speakers, also many cornish
3tangle3 1 year ago
Americans are just jealous because their history will never be as good as Britains history.
PrestonNorthEndFan 1 year ago 2
@PrestonNorthEndFan I agree :)
MegaJParry 1 year ago
Cymru am byth! mae'r saes yn moch.
welshperson123 1 year ago
why cant Americans and English get along? ive always treated the English as my brothers
soukupb 1 year ago
@soukupb You mean aside from the moral and tacit support the United States has provided to England's enemies, such as Argentina and the IRA?
williamskidfears 1 year ago
@williamskidfears i dont know awhole lot about the argentina conflict besides that the Argentinans attacked you guys first but the IRA have every right to fight against the oppression they have had to deal with from the brits. if somebody invades and occupies my country i would do the same thing there doing.
soukupb 1 year ago
@soukupb Just curious, but are you talking about the IRA (1916-1921) or the Provos?
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo 1916-1921 one.
soukupb 1 year ago
@soukupb hey lad when somebody would do that with my country i'd do the same when it was in my time, but the english invaded in the 15th century and was british until ww1 at least, so 400 years fighting and i think you wouldn't make it from begin to start, i would fight when it's a free country and get invaded but not after 300 ore 400 years. ore would you fight against the irish cause they reinvaded Ireland.
reinierchristiaan 1 year ago
@reinierchristiaan i said 1916-1921 because thats when Michael Collins formed the IRA and the Irish started becoming more effective with fighting the British.
soukupb 1 year ago
@soukupb oke lad but remember cymru am byth
reinierchristiaan 1 year ago
Hello Mike. Perhaps you should reread your history. The Korean War involved the UN against N. Korea, China and the Soviet Union. If memory serves me right England is a member of the UN. The Korean War is still going on. The Coalition Forces have won in Iraq while NATO forces still fight in Afghanistan. Vietnam was lost but not by our military.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
@HOOSIERLOVER Were the British involved in Korea? And how! You are familiar with the "Glorious Glosters?" The regiment carried more battle honours on their Regimental colors than any other British Army line regiment.
The British ought to be grateful for American and Commonwealth support in WWI and WWII. As the USA ought to be grateful for UK and Commonwealth support after that.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@HOOSIERLOVER
Sorry, but it was McCarthur who decided to invade North Korea, not the UN & that is what lost you the Korean war (Or a bad draw!!) Iraq is a lost cause & no-one can seriously think it is better now than before the invasion. Vietnam was lost by the US, you cannot pick & choose which particular part of the US caused the loss.
That's like saying the superbowl was lost by the quarterback or the goal kicker, it was lost by the side that didn't win.
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto The purpose of the UN involvement in Korea was to restore the border to the Pre-North Korean Invasion. Which we did. I don't know if you know any Iraqis but most agree that things are MUCH better than they were under Saddam. I do not know what propaganda you listen to but most believe the War in Iraq to be over and the Bush Surge to be a success. It is not perfect but the Cities are safe now.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
Respond to this video... You made the statement that the US military lost so many Wars. I merely pointed out that the US military didn't lose any. You picked what part lost and I merely pointed out the truth.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
@HOOSIERLOVER . When I was stationed in Korea on the Command Staff I held UN ID and some of my buddies were on the British Hornor Guard and I knew a couple of Gurkha. At Yongson Compound HQ for US Forces Korea the Guard is UK.
progressiverebel 1 year ago
we're all united in Britain idiots
xelvargx 1 year ago
be nice if it didn't cut off like that
flipdart 1 year ago
wont give the welsh any credit for anything will you !!1 fxxk you all! at least noone fully invaded and raped our country
freddierip1 1 year ago
@freddierip1
the english did
superdan1875 1 year ago
@Seantheminiman
Warwickshire! Non Sanz Droict! :D
Tobskybobski1 1 year ago
@Seantheminiman
Yes very true. :) I'm glad that someone else agrees with me, everyone else thinks i'm wrong just because i'm from Warwickshire. :P
Tobskybobski1 1 year ago
@Tobskybobski1 You're wrong and you're from Warwickshire (grin), but you're right on this. The 24th was NOT Welsh. The lads at Rorke's Drift were the usual odd lot: London, Burmingham, Ireland, what-have-you. There were more Irish lads than Welshmen. The only Scot was John William Roy DCM, and he was no credit to the uniform. He had drinking related injuries, bad conduct reports and died of an STD.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
Oh right i didn't know that. :P But i can see why because not EVERYONE must have been from Warwickshire. Films can make historical events so confusing and inaccurate. Like the film U-571 where the Americans thought that they had broken the Inigma code...
Tobskybobski1 1 year ago
@Tobskybobski1 To be fair, the US Navy DID capture a German U-Boat, complete with enigma machine. I've been onboard. The U-505 is on display at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.
THAT BEING SAID... U-571 is to history what Roadrunner cartoons are to physics. I think U-571 is the only film soooo bad that a president had to apologize for it. Why couldn't they have just done a story based on the U-505?
Besides, everyone knows it was the Poles that broke the enigma... ;-)
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
Yeah i believe that it was a mixture that broke the Enigma code, but the code was know to be broken by the British at Bletchley Park. But again, the Polish did brake a code in the 1930s. :P Those polish are clever chaps. :)
Tobskybobski1 1 year ago
@Tobskybobski1 I got my degree in Computer InformationScience at the University of Oregon. There's a bust of Alan Turing over the door. Never been to Bletchley Park. Just got a package from my sister who lives in Surry full of stuff from Bletchley.
What is amazing is that the Poles cracked the early Enigma, got occupied by the Germans for years, and Berlin HADN'T A CLUE that their codes had been compromised. Most of those involved escaped to France, which was also occupied.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
It's nice to have a sensible conversation about this topic instead of accusing and arguing... We need more people like you in the world who know these things well. :)
Tobskybobski1 1 year ago
@Seantheminiman Innacurate? Yes, but loads of fun. Only an idiot would watch a production of Shakespeare's "Macbeth" and claim to be an expert on Scottish history, but for some reason there's no shortage of fools who can watch this move and know everything there is to know about this battle. Why can't people say, "Good movie, now let's read up on what REALLY happened?"
a0e0roberts 1 year ago
famous for being crap - we jocks never ever came close to getting beat!
Johnnymac7272 1 year ago
Shut up, the whole lot of you. Enjoy the music or don't, nobody comes here for the chest-beating.
mishima70 1 year ago
God bless Great Britain, the Queen, and her Commonwealth.
No1118117 1 year ago
Is there a reason that whenever I listen to good music or watch some video that has had a relation to wars at all I can't escape people arguing over whose country saved whose, whether they needed saving, or whether the war was necessary at all?
Just cool it and listen to the song.
123StarshipTroops321 1 year ago
I see another ignorant yank has crawled out of the woodwork in the shape of "bobwaters".
Pots calling kettles black & all that.
Still, I suppose with what passes for an education system over there you have to make allowances!
And he says I cannot spell?
And thanks to the British Unionist for your support.
Look at all the ones they lost , are losing or drew - Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, Iraq.
What's the phrase used by our guys from Hereford? "All the gear & no f****n idea"
mikethefoto 1 year ago 12
@mikethefoto No bother Mike! The yanks are easy pickings! As somone once said, look at their football. Protected from head to toe in armour. Huge numbers in each team, many of whom are only on the pitch for short periods such as to take a kick. Lots of equipment. Lots of training. But subjet them to prolonged activity where their armour doesn' protect them & they are fucked. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in a rugby or Aussie Rules football match! (Do like the yanks though!)
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@mikethefoto It's a symptom of a disease we call imperialism. It infects the best of us.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
@mikethefoto Ah,, dude... snark does not equal either logic or history. I have to think the British educational system is better than either your spelling or your history would indicate.
You lose this exchange, my friend. Unlike the United States, btw, in eitherAfghanistan or Iraq. The latter, we won; the former is still at issue. And btw, exactly what is your point where Korea is concerned?
No need to be so jealous, hate-filled, and defensive, friend.
bobwaters 11 months ago
@bobwaters Correction: We won in Iraq. Afghanistan is the one still at issue.
For you guys as well, btw.
bobwaters 11 months ago
@bobwaters
Jealous, of what?
Hate filled, not worth the effort.
Defensive, no protective of OUR interests.
Vietnam-lost,Iraq- at best a draw even though the aftermath is a bloody disaster but at least you got the oil, Afganistan-losing, Korea-If MacArthur hadn't been such a gung-ho prat you could have draw that one.
The phrase regarding glass houses & throwing stones springs to mind, what is a speach.
mikethefoto 11 months ago 2
@mikethefoto
Iraq was won dude. They have a president and are now a democracy. You can argue against the war in Iraq all you want and would have very valid points but the war has been won by the US and it really wasn't even close.
P.S. Same with afghanistan.
jmp986 11 months ago
@jmp986
And I bet you think "Star Wars" was a documentary as well.
Get a grip & don't believe everything you see on CNN
mikethefoto 11 months ago 2
@mikethefoto
I have no idea what he said to you... but this is just rude.
I live in The US and, when I was in schiool we had to learn British History which is just absurd... as your history is wildly hypocritically racist. dfrom a recent trip I would say your politics still are.
Johnmartine63 11 months ago
@Johnmartine63
Typical. If you cannot be bothered to check the facts I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself & refrain from rash reactions, & wildly inaccurate observations.
Seems to be a national trait unfortunately!
mikethefoto 11 months ago
@mikethefoto
Rash generalizations? Look at the last sentence of the comment you just made.
I happen to see a rash generalization.
EgoOwnVos 10 months ago
@EgoOwnVos
Sorry but having met & dealt with Americans at home & abroad my comments stand.
Generally speaking the nationalistic, ignorant rednecks outnumber any attempts at reasoned logical bodies by a vast percentage which unfortunately makes the whole lot of you a laughing stock all over the world.
If your country had any intelligence, "friendly fire", George Bush (both of them), Sara Palin & peace through superior fire power would all be unheard of in the world at large.
mikethefoto 10 months ago
@mikethefoto
Peace through superior fire power is something the Britons have used to quell native "savages" far before the US ever even came into prominence.
I think you've got a bit of cognitive bias. You see a loud, rude American, and this confirms your mental schema that all Americans are loud and rude. You don't focus on the quieter Americans because they're quiet. And, frankly, you don't want to acknowledge them because by acknowledging them you'd refute your current mental schema.
EgoOwnVos 10 months ago
@EgoOwnVos
But as I said, having met and worked with your compatriots over the past 20 odd years both at home & abroad my comments stand. MOST are loud, ignorant (when it comes to the affairs of the world) and insular to an embarrassing degree. As the only world superpower (until China takes over) you as a nation should not be above the law (either your own or others)
Too many examples of flouting or changing the law to suit yourselves exist to show here, hence the general disgust.
mikethefoto 10 months ago
@mikethefoto
A government is not representative of its people. I suppose you like the direction your country is going? The UK is looking more and more like an Orwellian nightmare from over here.
And I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with Americans. But I can tell you, the many citizens of the UK I have met have been just as arrogant, nationalistic, and loud as any stereotypical American. However, I choose to not form generalizations about the UK.
You should stop being so judgmental.
EgoOwnVos 10 months ago
Stiring stuff!
coxwain255 1 year ago
Our saving of your bums in two world wars and our responsibility for the very democratic system you enjoy in the UK aside, I'm not sure whether to attribute your odd post, mikethefoto, to jealousy or radicalism. Certainly the genocide of the American Indian was appalling, but nowhere near the scale of what you guys did all over the world.
I write this not to indict Britain, but to point out that you have no business quoting those particular proverbs in this particular context.
bobwaters 1 year ago
@bobwaters Oh dear. Another brain washed yank. You entered WW1 when it was 3/4 over. GB stood alone against Hitler for 2 yrs. We stopped his westward advance and made him turn on the USSR. They too stoped him. US only entered the war 'cause of Pearl Harbour. Not to say we didn't need your help. We did. But you didn't save us.
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@bobwaters Eh? How is the US responsible for BRITISH Democracy? Did I miss that lecture? I thought the magna carta, parlimentary systems, etc. came from England.
England has gone through many reforms, but thanks to their own politicians, like Pitt the Younger.
a0e0roberts 1 year ago 5
@a0e0roberts hereford is called henffordd in welsh. was majority welsh speaking until 1750s....history is surprising if you delve deeper ;) doing a postgrad on history and genetics of brit isles so much history
3tangle3 11 months ago
First off:
What the hell is an ignorant yank "valcan321" doing listening to a superb Welsh/British/European posting in the first place?
Secondly
How does he expect to be taken seriously when his grammar is truly appalling?
knowlegde & threw history. Where was history thrown too?
Thirdly
With recent history of US involvement in foreign affairs, he really ought to keep his mouth firmly SHUT1
Now go back to watching yourself playing banjo in deliverance & leave us to clean up your mess.
mikethefoto 1 year ago 2
@mikethefoto Nearly as bad as your spelling, Mike. And you guys fought in Iraq, too- and helped us topple a bloody tyrant. Whether the war was necessary or not, it's hardly fodder for your argument. That victorious war did more good than harm for all concerned- especially for the Iraqis who no longer have to contend with Saddam.
bobwaters 1 year ago
@mikethefoto Well said Mike. And how many wars has the US won without GB fighting on their side? I can think of 2 - US - Spanish War, 1898 and the invasion of Grenada in 1984. Lol - that's it!
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@TheBritishUnionist Three more. There's the Revolutionary War, the US Civil War, and the Philippine Insurrection.
lastswordfighter 1 year ago
@lastswordfighter lol So short of wars we have to count one we fought against ourselves? The Insurrection clearly doesn't count as it wasn't a war. Wars against oneself don't count. So we found 1 war that you yanks managed to fight without Britain as your ally. And which one was that? The one you fought against us! lol I like the US (not Obama), I'd happily vote Republican or more likely the Tera Party but you had 2 days to come up with nothing! Don't fuck with Britain mate -or us Brits on YT!
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@TheBritishUnionist A war is war. If there are military forces killing each other left and right for a long period of time then it is a war simple as that. Whether it's a civil war, against a foreign country, or it's declared or not if soldiers fighting against soldiers it is war. By the way I wasn't trying to fuck with you. I was just making a comment.
lastswordfighter 1 year ago
@lastswordfighter OK mate. But even taking what you said as true, it only amounts to 6 wars. Nowhere near as many as us. But, hey we are allies and always have been. We are out there with you in Afghanistan and Iraq. Please remember that!
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@TheBritishUnionist 'And how many wars has the US won without GB fighting on their side?"
There is also the American Mexican war, and let's not forget the war of 1812.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus Fair enough mate. But the point is Britain has fought - and won - 100s of such wars. As I've already said, I like America. I loved Reagan. But, don't ever try to undermine what Britain achieved. The weight of history simply cannot be denied!
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
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LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@TheBritishUnionist Your country is more than a thousand years old, so It's not really a fair comparison. But If I belittled Britain's accomplishments then I would necessarily be undermining America's.
In the 18h -19th century, America was geographically isolated, so from a stand point of rational self interest, it didn't make much sense to be involved in European conflicts. I'm sure that if Benjamin Disraeli had been American, he would have wanted it played it in smiler fashion.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus Indeed, its not a fair comparason, So why do so many yanks on YT try to make more of the US at the expense of Britain?
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@TheBritishUnionist
Well, the quick answer is that those particular yanks are arrogant or retarded.
I think a that major weakness in American culture is general ignorance of History. No person that's knowledgeable about history can do anything but admire Britain or even other major European powers for that matter.
Americans tend to have this winner takes all mentality where if you're not number one you might as well be dead last. Their logic goes, "we beat you, so you're nothing."
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus Well thats a very generous reply mate! And - hard to believe I know - but there are 1 or 2 arrogant Brits on YT too!
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus the answer to your question m8 is a big fat NONE, americans are cowards and faggots who only get into a war when we have already won it, they have no history and they hate it , basically if you look at history they are just mixed europeans, real americans are the incas and the indians
cptucker24 1 year ago
@cptucker24 Part 2
Both wars Britain fought against the Americans they lost.
We're the only former British subjects to have fought and won lasting independence (correct me if I'm wrong). But somehow you manage to believe that taking on the most powerful empire the world twice is cowardice.
You are either very ignorant or extremely butthurt.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@cptucker24 Part 1
A cursory glance of the last 2 decades totally renders your post FAIL. The U.S. led led the coalition in Desert Storm, played a large role in stopping ethnic cleansing in east Europe, and is now fighting two wars almost by itself.
Your implied WW2 reference is also ridiculous, as it besmirches both American and Canadian sacrifices made at Normandy, and the subsequent battles in the European theater, while also totally ignoring the fact that the U.S. beat Japan.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus
Americans think they won the war of 1812 for some reason...
ofc who can blame em? the brits only BURNED THEIR CAPITAL, the only reason they diddnt burn it /all/ was that hurricane (or tornado, forgot which) hit, and the american objective was to conquer canada....diddnt work out so well....but shh....americans are afraid of facts and proof....
Solarian2495 1 year ago
@Solarian2495
I am an American, but I have to admit that the War of 1812 was a stupid idea. The Americans did try to take Quebec twice and failed. Just as well with the hassles we have withSpanish down here. A third language we don't need. Yankees burned York as the Brits burned Washington. Americans were rightly miffed by the Royal Navy impressing men off US flag vessels for their navy.
As to other wars, most of the stupid "USA won every war", it's nothing but Hollywood. Remember the Alamo!!
macbeth1041 1 year ago
@macbeth1041
I agree, indeed the War of 1812 was rather pointless and both sides seemed to be rather bloodied by the end. Both sides seem to see it as their victory, but I personally do not believe that impressment was a good practice.
Solarian2495 1 year ago
@macbeth1041 Ironically, impressment was NOT acted on in the Treaty of Ghent. When the war with Napoleon was over, the Royal Navy couldn't find work for their sailors, so had no need to impress people who didn't want to take the King's shilling. The War of 1812 PROLONGED impressment, because it prolonged the war with France.
a0e0roberts 1 year ago
@TaffTalk
In agreement 100% ... Rule Britannia, from a fellow Welshman. :)
JoshRatts 1 year ago
Cymru am Byth.
Proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with my Scottish, English and Irish brothers.
TaffTalk 1 year ago 2
@dictionar1,
And you are a bigotted inaccurate retard.
Next time try posting a semi-intelligent response, or just keep quiet & stick to licking dictionar1's backside for him.
mikethefoto 1 year ago 2
As a supporter of the Native American Indians, it really ticks me off when "Americans" accuse other nations are having a genocidal past. The hypocrisy of the United States knows no bounds and never ceases to amaze me.
BattlestarDamocles 1 year ago 3
@BattlestarDamocles While the Native americans did get fucked they werent innocent.
They hada big problem with signing peace treaties then breaking those treaties. They didnt understand that when a cheif signed a treaty EVERYONE in the tribe had to respect it. And so they died. Every nation on this planet is built upon the ground that was once someone elses.
Lest we forget how the brits got THEIR island. BTW im scots- irish, brit, german and a couple others so...
valcan321 1 year ago
@valcan321 :Excuse me, but it was the U.S. government that kept breaking the treaties, not the Indians. Get your history right. Giving the Indians some land and then taking it off them with false tales of "gold in them thar hills" is just plain sick.
The United States should keep its mouth shut instead of preaching to others about things they have done themselves.
BattlestarDamocles 1 year ago
@BattlestarDamocles Both sides broke treaties. Both for different reasons. The Settlers where in the wrong but so were the indians. People have a stupid world view of indians. Somehow they have come to believe that the indians were above things like rape, murder, or thieft. They were as humans as we are.
valcan321 1 year ago
@valcan321 :Yes, but the Indians were their first, it was THEIR land, regardless of the infighting that all peoples are subject to. The settlers stole what was not theirs.
Its that simple. I'm out! Take care.
BattlestarDamocles 1 year ago
What country is shanahanism from anyway? If I may ask?
BattlestarDamocles 1 year ago
@BattlestarDamocles
His profile says American, & his inane bigoted comments would seem to back this up.
Mikethefoto
mikethefoto 1 year ago 4
dictionar1,
I'm glad to see you revert to form & start with bad grammar & swearing.
What you seem unable to grasp is that 99% of the world think the likes of you are a joke & you are despised for your nations actions as a failing superpower.
A minority of your countrymen do actually travel abroad proudly proclaiming your nationality & we just stand & watch you make n exhibition of yourselves with your crass, childish, ignorant remarks.
So go listen to "Marchin through Dixie"
mikethefoto 1 year ago 5
you truly make no sense. it's obvious you envy the US and it's people, you're a miserable f.ck and i would hate to be you. ciao bub.
dictionar1 1 year ago
shanahanism,
The phrases "pot calling the kettle black" & "people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" spring to mind having read your ill considered inane drivel.
Your bloody forebears virtually wiped out native Americans, brought nothing but death & destruction to enemies & allies alike on battlefields throughout the world (usually late) & have failed to win a war you have started in the last 100 years despite your much vaunted & overrated military.
So I suggest you keep your mouth shut!
mikethefoto 1 year ago 65
@mikethefoto thank you so much for putting him in his place
lordbale33 1 year ago
@mikethefoto oh, i'm so emasculated by this cowardly drivel. mikethefoto, get a life junior. i bet you've never been in a good one.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1
What are you babbling about?
Oh sorry, your American, intelligence isn't a strong national trait is it?
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto oh come now ian, have some more tea. oh do watch that elongated chin... produced from generations of inbreeding, eh ian?
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1
As I xsaid before, what are you babbling about?
Who is ian?
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto oh, i beg your pardon. i thought all men from uk were named ian. but judging from your negative and hateful comments i'm guessing you're a paki or some other ungrateful foriegner? wanna challenge my intellect? have at er' big boy.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1
Having read your most recent drivel, I think you have done my job for me.
The content is akin to that of a 5 year old & the grammar & spelling that of a well educated American or a European with learning difficulties.
Now just accept the fact that the US has failed to win any conflict it has started in the last 60 years, is economically bankrupt ( 70% of your national debt is owned by the Chinese), your leadership inept & your national superiority complex misplaced.
mikethefoto 1 year ago 4
@mikethefoto well mikey, i'm not here to impress you. also, to point out the the obvious, that our leadership, as well as our economic situation makes you a master of the obvious. not to see that our service industry was sold out since 1945 and into the 70's and our middle management in the last two decades by corporate butt pirates to overseas mkts. one has to be blind. so, you don't impress me. finally, your envy of my "national superiority complex" sounds like a personal problem bub.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@mikethefoto one more thing mikey; we are painfully aware of the conflicts our leadership has not permitted us to win in the past 60 years. i needed to correct your rabbit-trailing semantics there. it's a well known fact that our military was purposely held back from advancing in viet nam. our men who fought in that "police action" are still held in high esteem for their valor. your words of mockery to the last statement are but drivel to me so it's futile to even try.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1
But the whole point of war/conflict is to win, so if your politicians, generals, GI's fail to perform, you lose. It is no good playing the blame game.
Don't start what you cannot finish.
You "advanced" in Korea, & look where that got you!
As to my stating the obvious, it always seems so necessary with people such as you, & the comment about your misplaced superiority complex was just that, a comment.If I believed in imaginary diety's I would thank god I'm not a US citizen.
mikethefoto 1 year ago 4
@dictionar1
he is a paki
TheresAGhostInMyBeer 1 year ago
@TheresAGhostInMyBeer figures.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1 btw, loved the "abortion is green" vid. running to the drugstore for some astraglide. ; )
dictionar1 1 year ago
@TheresAGhostInMyBeer
Incisive comment, but incorrect & probably actionable!
mikethefoto 1 year ago 5
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gp1585 1 year ago
@gp1585
Does your mouth bleed every month?
Because you certainly talk like one, having got every one of your descriptive terms wrong!
Whatever happened to the British educational system?
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto go finnish your burger you fat cock sucking cunt
gp1585 1 year ago
@gp1585
Check your facts you cretin!
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto
bravo
god save the queen
superdan1875 1 year ago
@mikethefoto And you have shown a lack of knowlegde of the last 100yrs.
Dont know what was said but have respect for our allies.
valcan321 1 year ago
@valcan321
As you admit not knowing what was said I respectfully suggest you acquaint yourself with all the facts before committing yourself to an ill-considered course of action.
Something your government & military might consider in future!!
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@valcan321
As you admit not knowing what was said I respectfully suggest you acquaint yourself with all the facts before committing yourself to an ill-considered course of action.
Something your government & military might consider in future!!
As for allies, only when it suits the US as I see it. When did you ever help us when it wasn't in US interests?
Oh, & it's knowledge not knowlegde
mikethefoto 1 year ago
@mikethefoto Hear hear!
aarandir 1 year ago
@mikethefoto And in addtion, we were not late in any War. I am assuming that you are referring to WWI and WWII. Neither of which the Allies would have won without our help. By the way, I want to thank the British Gov. for being the only country to repay the US back for all of the assistance rendered during WWII. We gave billions to the Allied cause as well as to the Marshall Plan in order to rebuild Europe, Asia and N. Africa.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
@mikethefoto And who helped them do that? The English of course.
esh325 1 year ago
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@mikethefoto Not to mention the fact they can't even defeat Canada militarily.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
The British Empire brought civilisation to the world. Before the BE if the chief of the local tribe did not like you then you died, horribly more often than not. The British and therefore the English who had dragged the rest of Britain upwards brought law, hospitals and learning to many parts of the world.
gabe111222 1 year ago
The human rights violations of the English race: Their soldiers have raped many Irish, Scottish and Welsh women over the past thousand years. And any Irish, Welsh, or Scottish rebels who were caught standing up to them were tortured and brutally murdered. They did the same to people in Africa, india, Asia, and elsewhere. Rule Brittania? You racist piece of shit. The Welsh, the Scottish, and the Cornish are not the same blood as the English, Leave Their lands, You have abused them enough.
shanahanism 1 year ago
@shanahanism For thousands of years human rights never existed. How could the English possibly violate a right that never existed. Things that happened in the past must stay in the past. Rape, torture and murder occured in EVERY civilization. To accuse one Nation of these crimes and not another is ignorant. The French executed their monarchy without trial, the Catholics murdered thousands of women, in China the first emperor murdered millions. The past is the past.
9893low 1 year ago
@9893low Ignorence is no excuse. look at the british empires track record The idea that human rights is an invention of recent decades is absurd, You would think a nation with a cross on its flag would pay attention to something as simple as do unto others. Im not saying the British government is still a model of tyranny, what I am saying is the word tyranny in the dictionary shold have the word "see British empire " next to it.
shanahanism 1 year ago
@shanahanism Why should we focus on one civilization or one culture. The definition for Tyranny in the dictionary should be Humans.
9893low 1 year ago
@9893low That is a fatalistic attitude. thats like saying the nazis could come back anytime but why should we fight it its human nature. As long as the english remember to feel perpetually guilty for all the horrible things their ancestors did, I shall consider curtailing my rightious anger Quite honestly I have no bleedin clue what harlech was anyway, I suppose it had something to do with the welsh.
shanahanism 1 year ago