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  • I don't know. Heathen sounds pretty fun too.

  • @TheCeejReturns heathen is perfect :P

  • @rozeboosje

    Sure is. And it works whether you're atheist or not. It works as long as you don't believe in THEIR god.

  • @TheCeejReturns ah, yes, but remember that as far as 'they' are concerned, only THEIR god(s) is/are real. If you don't believe in THEIR 'god' you are, as far as 'they' are concerned, an 'atheist'. The word was in fact invented by 'them' as a finger pointing exercise, a way of saying ZOMG you're not like us. Meh.

  • @rozeboosje

    Good thing I don't have to follow their illogic in my life. Try as they may to make me.

  • the most atheis are in white skin. according this the most can go to hell are white skin. see the you tube and you can agreed with me.

  • @srkkroh11 how novel, a racist retard. Blocked.

  • What's in a name? If the refusal to collect stamps caused one to to be marginalized by society, kept from public office, burned at the stake as witches, beaten to death by felow soldiers, fired from jobs, and so forth, then you might wish to adopt the label of aphilatelist in an attempt to reclaim your human and civic rights. Thank you for posting this clear explanation of the nature of naming.

  • And thank you for hearing me.

  • I read this somewhere in the Internet and think it is a quite popular phrase:

    Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.

  • Yup

  • OTOH, I think gays did, in fact, aggressively claim the term. Maybe I'm wrong, but i thought it was deliberate.

  • Of course. That's what often happens.

  • Excellent point at 1:19-20. I never thought of it before, but that's exactly right.

  • Thanks

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  • Haha I think this is a very good compliment to Wikipedia; it's ment to say "If wikipedia doesn't describe it - it doesn't exist."

    I think we should delete the "God" entry from Wikipedia then.

  • LOL

    Then again, no. After all, I'm pretty sure "Harry Potter" is in there, too :P

  • Ah but where do you stand on a stamp for Carl Sagan?  :-)

  • Well, I still wouldn't collect it but I would be proud to lick it... er.....

    forget I said that O_o

  • :-)

    Yup. But let's not get too hung up either. It's a delicate balancing act.

  • You said that we theists make athiestism a problem but that is not so. I did not have problem with Sam Haris's athiesm it is he who has a problem with my theism. Nor did I have a problem with Richard Dawkins but he has condemned me as being evil for my beliefs.

  • Nobody's condemning you. What would they be condemning you to? On the other hand, though, there are plenty of theists out there - and I'm not saying you're one of them - who will gleefully condemn atheists and their ilk to eternal suffering.

  • So true, it seems that the religious mind is never satisfied. Even if a problems does go away it'll either make a new one or there will be others to resolve. It's a shame that they can't see the futility in this.

    Then again I think the same is somewhat true for non believers in reducing the number & effects of religion on the worlds population.

  • Indeed. We have to keep looking for beams before we look for splinters ;-)

  • I want to be an aphilatelist!

  • Atheism is not a belief. It's the lack thereof.

    We do not 'believe' evolution is true. We saw lots of facts, drew conclusions and made sound theories that were confirmed by the many different areas of science such as astronomy, physics, chemistry and biology. i.e. the universe is expanding, doppler effect confirms this, the universe is big, light speed is limited so the universe HAS to be old (cannot be 6000 y/o) tectonic plates, old fossils, about everything rules out Intelligent Design.

  • Exactly.

  • But I'm not sure the 'problem' of atheism can go away with the real problem of religion going away!

  • Maybe not, but it's one contributing factor.

  • Very good analysis roozeboosje, thanks for pointing it out.

  • Tanks!

  • Poignant.

  • Sad but true.

  • Well said, even if I didn't call myself the "A" word, there is still a majority of people who care whether I believe in a god or not. How about we call ourselves "nonfictionalists"?

  • I quite like Naturalist, but I accept not all atheists fit that label.

  • U present a valid point to the theists. I don't think however that the problem will go away if the theists stop making it a problem. Some atheists will still be pushing the issue to make religion as a whole to go away.

  • Yeah, but they would be doing that then because religion would be incompatible with some ideological notions. For example communism. They were atheists, of course, but they persecuted religious people not because they were atheists, but because they thought religion would subvert their communist ideology.

  • Great video and point. I learned a new word, aphilatelist!

  • Yeah! And I'm not even the first one to come up with it. See the video I responded to. :-)

  • Although I agree with the video, you're talking out both sides of your mouth. You propose Atheists will stop calling themselves that when religious zealots stop persecuting them, but then at every turn you mock the religious.

    As someone who is neither religious or atheist I'm tired of the conflict. And although "your side" didn't start it, it sure does nothing to soothe it. Rather it feeds off it as a parasite to promote counter-ideals.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the worlds."

  • There's a huge difference between mockery and persecution. I've been mocked many times before and I have no problem with it. But don't condemn me. Don't persecute me.

    Show me where I've ever condemned a theist. I may judge some forms of beliefs to be ridiculous, but you'll never hear me state that I feel someone deserves to suffer for it.

  • Mockery is a form of persecution, albeit a slight one. What makes kids cry at night after they come home from school after being teased in the yard? What drives a laughed at fat woman to reach for the ice cream when she feels sad about her appearance? Sure it's not condemning to hell. But it creates a personal, internal hell. And all in all just doesn't help resolve issues regarding the matters that separate us into prefabricated groups.

    The effect is important, as innocent as mockery may seem.

  • Certainly, but I'd like to think that that is not the sort of mockery I engage in. If something is stupid, however, it does need to be pointed out. Some beliefs - SOME - are truly, monumentally stupid. There is no point beating around the bush about that, nor does it make sense to treat those things with kid gloves. And you would be wise to nuanciate your judgement too.

  • How do you mean "nuanciate my judgment"?

    Secondarily, no, there's no point in beating around the bush. But being polite draws people forth to at least TRY to see something from your POV. Take my comment as a suggestion of tact. Nothing more.

    And for the record, I DO find your teasing witty. But you're still a jerk :P

  • LOL. Ok, I won't deny that :P

  • I had this thought the other day:

    If all christians, hindhu's and muslim vanished from the face of the earth, would I still call myself an atheist?!

    the quick answer was ofcoz "sure, I still lack a belief in god or gods"

    but maybe the question needs more thinking.

  • Indeed. You don't call yourself an a-[entersomethingherethatnobod­ybelievesin], precisely because nobody will even *think* about making an issue out of that. It's only when they suddenly start condemning you for not believing in The Glurb that you have to start defending your position as an aglurbist, and so a new label is born.

  • I concur!

  • Thank you!

  • excellent video.

  • Thanks!

  • I'm a gravitist. I have no problems condemning all agravitists.

  • LOL! =o) so you CONDEMN people who happen to belive in the flying spaghetti monster?!?

    You evil monster!! =oD

  • The FSM is an evil lie created by dark energy.

  • O_o

    REPENT!!!

  • RobAlone: Infidel! I am from the FSM sect that believes it came from Dark Matter. You shall boil in tomato sauces for your sins!

  • May he feel the touch of his noodly appendage one day. I'll pray for him.

  • ahaha.. you gravitists crack me up. Stuck in your 2d world pinned to the dirt by your own foolish belief in gravitons. Agravitists everywhere are rising!

  • Yay!

  • Gravity doesn't exist. The Earth just sucks.

  • Only a fool says in his heart that there is no gravity. Believe in the truth or be cast into the event horizon forever!

  • new job starts soon doesnt it?? are you now an ajobist??

  • Nope. Started yesterday :-)

  • I UNDERSTAND !

  • I wish there were more like you!

  • I'm a humanist, & I'm not superstitious.

    Is that a "politically correct", enough? hehe! ;)

  • Some feckers will still hate you for that. But it's a valliant attempt.

  • I'm proud to be an aleprechaunist, even on St. Patrick's day!

  • Yeah, but it's fun pretending to be a leprechaunist for that one day though.

  • I concur. I never thought of it precisely that way before. You're right about it having something to do with a deviance from the norm.

    Since philately is NOT a hobby that we ASSUME everyone takes part in, there's no reason to label people as aphilatelists.

    "Atheism is a religion [belief system] like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby" right?

    But until the norm IS atheism, it will be impossible to characterize atheism for what it is:

    The default position for when a proposition lacks evidence.

  • Exactly

  • "Atheist Scum United"

    (;

  • LOL

  • It's funny in a way... The people with belief systems they claim are so holy... Hardcore Christians and Muslims... Those are the ones that will probably drag us into World War 3.

  • Shudder!

  • .....First vid I watched of yours was about ( SETS ) I asked if you could show me in a better way...you did...with the coins...Thanks again I understood & learned...Then some more vids you talked about atheism...Just another glimpse into a part of you...I do know & beleive in a whatever one wants to lable it a creative force...That knows me...Its a personal within ones self...That being said...You are a Gentleman,...A good Father, Loving Son, This I know..Me people lable me STRANGE...

  • Hey, thanks very much for the kind comment, 747dog!

  • Yet another excellent video.

  • Thanks :-)

  • Nice. Loved those hippie days!

    Theists do not, or just will not, admit to understanding this about us. That we "just are" atheists because it's a matter of conscience which prevents us from believing in the things they [claim they] do. The conscience is something which cannot be violated at will while also requiring ourselves to remain completely honest.

    "One does not become an atheist to gain emotional comfort or popularity. One becomes an atheist because honesty compels." ~ John B. Hodges

  • "when you're going to San Fransisco...."

    Very true about the honesty. That is what I try to explain to so many theists. My strict scepticism toward their idea is actually a mark of respect. I want to take them seriously, so I scrutinise their claims in minute details. I don't just accept them willy-nilly. After all, if I did that I could just as easily accept the claims of some other crowd. One of the many "false" religions. And then you get called "closed-minded". (shrug)

  • I've always like the term "atheist," myself. I've never seen it as derogatory before. OTOH, I think it should be broken down further, like the Christians break their denominations and sects down, to more accurately describe what we do believe individually.

  • Yeah. I like terms such as "agnostic atheism", "positive, or gnostic atheism" and maybe a few others.

  • Thanks (as always) Rozie,

    I have been a "non-believer" for many years, and have only in the last few years begun to call myself an atheist. It's funny, but I've met other atheists over the years, and have read atheist literature, but it's actually been Youtube--of all things--that allows me to listen to the thoughts and connect with other atheists.

    Who would have thunk it. Youtube bringing atheists together.

  • Yeah. Same here. At 11 I realised people called me "atheist". Then I went through a phase of calling myself "agnostic". But I soon realised that people determined to hate you for not believing will do so no matter how mildly you state your non-belief. So now I proudly call myself the word they hate the most.

  • Well said my friend, and I agree with niceonetom that you look like you could use some sleep.

  • Yeah - it's that BST ("British Summer Time" - daylight saving). It always knocks me for six. I'll be fine in a day or two :-)

    Oh. PLUS I just started that new job so it's all a bit new and tiring.

  • (I assume you know gay means happy) I picture someone wanting homosexauls to look GOOD used the world "Gay"..

    Why would someone who want's to make gays look bad use the word gay?

    oh those people look so happy... THEIR GAY!

  • Yeah, but haven't you ever heard people snigger about how "happy" someone is, really meaning to say that they're happy like in a bit dim-witted? I thought that is how the term "gay" came to be used for homosexuals; people were affronted by the campness of some homosexuals and started using the word "gay" in a derogatory manner to imply a mental deficiency of some kind. But according to auchraw's comments I may have been wrong on that count

  • Well.. I guess I have never heard of someone using happy to mean dimwitted..

    But in context I could see it as an insult... And not much stetch of the imagination :P

    I guess I can see it either way now.Thanks for the other perspective.

  • Stop making glurbism an issue Pino!!!!

  • REPENT!!!! and accept the Glurb as your personal shaviour.

  • Well said.

  • Thanks!

  • LOL, I do call myself an aphilatelist!

    I had the same experience, at about 11 I realized that there was actually a 'name' for something I was not.

  • Cool!

  • i didn't call myself atheist until I joined youtube, although I've never been a theist. I'm bemused by the whole thing. Is religion still potent in Holland? I'm assuming it is in Eire.

  • It's losing its grip here, but it still clings on to some vestiges of power. It still influences people a bit.

  • looks like you saw atheistblindchick's channel :P

  • Yeah. I didn't but I bet I picked up her meme somehow. To acknowledge her precedence I've made this a video response to hers.

  • Well said. This is a great point. I don't know if you have seen it, but AtheistBlindChick did a funny about equating atheism with aphilatelism.

  • Really!? I got to go check that out. Cool!

  • It's called "My Coming Out Video". Good stuff.

  • Indeed it is. I made this a video response to that, to show she had the idea first.

  • i'm an anumismatist. just so you know.

    dude, you look like you need a good night's sleep.

    i think it's pretty clear that most 'atheists' around here have much more in common that a lack of one particular belief. it's a pity we don't have a convenient name for what we DO have in common. but at least 'atheist' is slowly being robbed of silly negative connotations. atheist pride anyone?

  • Yeah. I'm a bit tired. BST always hits me hard. Must be my age! I'm old, my knees are bented...

  • Word!

    I don't even use it in most conversation about my rejection of the god concept.I think its more important to say exactly what i think then to declare my label.

  • Yes indeed

  • This sounds like how I answered JF777 recent video for question number 2, "Why are you an atheist?" People like him don't seem to realize we are only atheists because of the existence of theists. Atheism is the default.

    Nice vid BTW.

  • Cool! Yeah; this is not my most original video, but it's a point that bears repeating by as many different people as possible.

  • Oh, absolutely. I've learned that these type of falsehoods don't die easily. The more people out there correcting them , the better.

  • Interesting points. My problem is I'm an alabellist, so I can't have one, or have I just created it? :S

  • LOL

    I guess you just need to sit back and wait for somebody to point the finger at you and open their mouth. I'd be interested in what would come out though!

  • "Atheist" is preferable to "infidel" or "heathen," I suppose. As always, you make excellent points.

    I was a philatelist when I was a kid, but my conversion to aphilately was rather abrupt. I can't say when it happened, but at some point I realize I just wasn't collecting anymore. I sold my stamps to someone who was and went on to something else.

  • LOL

    I wonder whether there are many stamps featuring Jesus. One could be a Christian Philatelist

  • If not, that would mean you're a philatelist secularist! Dont let the Devil put those stamps on your heart!

  • O_o

    I wonder whether there are any stamps featuring Satan?

  • I always hated the term "secular".

    It sounds so dirty and evil.

    Anyone who has a word for "everyone but us" has some serious issues with acceptance which is ironic since most religions preach it.

    Maybe we should rename the religious folks something they wouldn't like. lol

  • arealist?

  • great point. I don't know what else to say when someone asks what "faith" I am. I could say "I believe in reality" but that would sound terribly condescending. lol

  • Yeah, but it wouldn't even come close to "I'm going to heaven and everyone who believes differently is going to burn for eternity", so I think you could be excused

  • Wow, I'm the first!

    I call myself a rationalist or, perhaps a pagan; forget God. I prefer to be positive.

    And I believe homosexuals DID choose to call themselves Gays.

  • Hm... Maybe. I could be wrong on that count :-)

  • Well, almost first. YouTube is slow.

  • perfect

  • Thanks

  • How are things, by the way, Nate!? You've been quiet on YouTube :-)

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